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x-evil-x
Jul 20, 2012, 11:27 PM
for airplay mirroring? it will be full screen now on hd tv's and could enhance gaming to a new level. Thats the only reason i see apple maybe going 16x9. Now everyone will have to get an apple tv. Using your phone as the controller and playing the game on your tv. Either controls on the phone or using the phones gyroscope to control the game. i always thought the mirroring to an hdtv looked horrible in letterbox format and never use it.
Thoughts?



ixodes
Jul 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
Who knows. There's a lot of possible reasons. Perhaps it's to demonstrate they can offer the same aspect ratio that's standard on some Android models. Or they may feel it will attract more users to view movies.

Now that their most lucrative products are iToyz, nothing is off limits. The one overwhelming fear that seems to prevail, is to avoid changing the phones two year old design, hence avoiding fear number two, which is any change to the phones width.

If the vast numbers of rumors that indicate they're simply stretching the length a bit, are true, it will thrill those who like the present form factor. One things for certain, Apples in a position to make more profit per phone than ever, the cost to keep the same slab sided design, is a cheap way out for Apple.

AFDoc
Jul 20, 2012, 11:46 PM
Who knows. There's a lot of possible reasons. Perhaps it's to demonstrate they can offer the same aspect ratio that's standard on some Android models. Or they may feel it will attract more users to view movies.

Now that their most lucrative products are iToyz, nothing is off limits. The one overwhelming fear that seems to prevail, is to avoid changing the phones two year old design, hence avoiding fear number two, which is any change to the phones width.

If the vast numbers of rumors that indicate they're simply stretching the length a bit, are true, it will thrill those who like the present form factor. One things for certain, Apples in a position to make more profit per phone than ever, the cost to keep the same slab sided design, is a cheap way out for Apple.

If it was the exact same design I may agree with you however it's a completely new design with a unibody construction. (if the rumored pics are to be believed). Including the larger size this would take a complete revamp of the CnC machine set up to pull off. Not a huge deal for a company with most likely 100's of CnC machines but it's not a cheap change.

Of course Apple always makes a ridiculous amount on each device so that won't change.

ixodes
Jul 21, 2012, 12:50 AM
If it was the exact same design I may agree with you however it's a completely new design with a unibody construction. (if the rumored pics are to be believed). Including the larger size this would take a complete revamp of the CnC machine set up to pull off. Not a huge deal for a company with most likely 100's of CnC machines but it's not a cheap change.

Of course Apple always makes a ridiculous amount on each device so that won't change.
I'm not challenging your opinion, I respect everyone's. My post may not have been detailed enough. What I meant was if the latest buzz is correct it'll still be the same flat shape to the front & rear panels. The same external band antenna, and other than those of us who follow iPhones so closely, the average person perceives the phone as the same till they notice it's incrementally longer. Retaining the narrow width defeats the usefulness of a 4.0" display.

That said who knows what Apples up to. Perhaps they are not trying to improve the usefulness. It could be as simple as change just for the sake of it. One things for certain. They've got the public convinced that what really matters, is it's "Apple Cool" :)

applefanDrew
Jul 21, 2012, 01:00 AM
I'm not challenging your opinion, I respect everyone's. My post may not have been detailed enough. What I meant was if the latest buzz is correct it'll still be the same flat shape to the front & rear panels. The same external band antenna, and other than those of us who follow iPhones so closely, the average person perceives the phone as the same till they notice it's incrementally longer. Retaining the narrow width defeats the usefulness of a 4.0" display.

That said who knows what Apples up to. Perhaps they are not trying to improve the usefulness. It could be as simple as change just for the sake of it. One things for certain. They've got the public convinced that what really matters, is it's "Apple Cool" :)

How exactly do you want to change it? There's only so much you can do with a rectangular piece of glass.

x-evil-x
Jul 21, 2012, 01:28 AM
How exactly do you want to change it? There's only so much you can do with a rectangular piece of glass.

i wouldn't mind the leaked images if it was wider also. i think it looks good. i did like the mockup last year with the aluminum back more though.

Sedrick
Jul 21, 2012, 06:31 AM
for airplay mirroring? it will be full screen now on hd tv's and could enhance gaming to a new level. Thats the only reason i see apple maybe going 16x9. Now everyone will have to get an apple tv. Using your phone as the controller and playing the game on your tv. Either controls on the phone or using the phones gyroscope to control the game. i always thought the mirroring to an hdtv looked horrible in letterbox format and never use it.
Thoughts?
You're missing one important factor: Playing games sucks on the iPhone. Touch controls for games is a joke and will never compare to real game machines and controls.

Technarchy
Jul 21, 2012, 06:39 AM
You're missing one important factor: Playing games sucks on the iPhone. Touch controls for games is a joke and will never compare to real game machines and controls.

Watching movies on a phone sucks compared to IMAX.

Then again, thats also a terrible reasoning process.

ThatsMeRight
Jul 21, 2012, 07:21 AM
If it was the exact same design I may agree with you however it's a completely new design with a unibody construction. (if the rumored pics are to be believed). Including the larger size this would take a complete revamp of the CnC machine set up to pull off. Not a huge deal for a company with most likely 100's of CnC machines but it's not a cheap change.

Of course Apple always makes a ridiculous amount on each device so that won't change.
It is the same design. All they did is stretch it. No one cares if it is unibody (you won't be able to see that from the outside) and no one cares if Apple has to revamp "CnC machines".

AFDoc
Jul 21, 2012, 07:25 AM
I'm not challenging your opinion, I respect everyone's. My post may not have been detailed enough. What I meant was if the latest buzz is correct it'll still be the same flat shape to the front & rear panels. The same external band antenna, and other than those of us who follow iPhones so closely, the average person perceives the phone as the same till they notice it's incrementally longer. Retaining the narrow width defeats the usefulness of a 4.0" display.

That said who knows what Apples up to. Perhaps they are not trying to improve the usefulness. It could be as simple as change just for the sake of it. One things for certain. They've got the public convinced that what really matters, is it's "Apple Cool" :)

I understand what you're trying to say now. Don't you think the best chance for internal option (bigger battery, more RAM, bigger CPU ect ect) changes is the external antenna design? If it's any thicker than the 4/4s people will cry like there is no tmr. People can't simply grasp that you have to give up something, thickness or battery life/lower amount of RAM ect ect. It's like the 30pin connector change. Every one is crying related to having to buy all new cables and docking stations as if those things they have now won't work with their current iDevices. I for one am glad they are minimizing outward things to maximize internal space. Seems most people on this forum want a paper thin phone with 5 gigs or ram, a quad core cpu running at 2ghz, 128gig of memory, 20 hour battery life, that continues to use their existing docks and cables. Of course that seems to simply be apple fantasy land but it seems that's what they want. Silly to me but oh well.

I now guess I will have to substitute your idea of "a slightly different iPhone 4" with every one else when they say they look the same. Like I've said in other posts, I like the new design (leaked pics/renderings) and will be pre-ordering day one.

x-evil-x
Jul 21, 2012, 08:21 AM
You're missing one important factor: Playing games sucks on the iPhone. Touch controls for games is a joke and will never compare to real game machines and controls.

using the phones gyroscope as the controller(racing games at least) isn't bad. On screen controls do suck.

boomhower
Jul 21, 2012, 08:25 AM
The only way I'll be happy with a longer iPhone is if they are doing it as a precursor to a widescreen iPad, to standardize the screen format for developers. I would like a widescreen iPad for video consumption and will deal with a widescreen phone to get it.

ixodes
Jul 21, 2012, 12:37 PM
1) I understand what you're trying to say now. Don't you think the best chance for internal option (bigger battery, more RAM, bigger CPU ect ect) changes is the external antenna design? If it's any thicker than the 4/4s people will cry like there is no tmr. People can't simply grasp that you have to give up something, thickness or battery life/lower amount of RAM ect ect.

2) It's like the 30pin connector change. Every one is crying related to having to buy all new cables and docking stations as if those things they have now won't work with their current iDevices. I for one am glad they are minimizing outward things to maximize internal space. Seems most people on this forum want a paper thin phone with 5 gigs or ram, a quad core cpu running at 2ghz, 128gig of memory, 20 hour battery life, that continues to use their existing docks and cables. Of course that seems to simply be apple fantasy land but it seems that's what they want. Silly to me but oh well.

3) I now guess I will have to substitute your idea of "a slightly different iPhone 4" with every one else when they say they look the same. Like I've said in other posts, I like the new design (leaked pics/renderings) and will be pre-ordering day one.
1a) You've brought up a very good point about the lack of space inside, especially considering that once again, Apple continues to make it thinner than the prior version. I know that at least with the 4S, Apple addressed the Antennagate issue. My iPhone 4 was downright dreadful. I drive the same route to the office each day. It's a 40 mile trip one way, and I know where the poor reception areas are vs the strong reception areas.

My 3GS would always maintain a connection even if the voice quality would suffer in the weak area.

Upon taking delivery of my iPhone 4, only to find it would drop the call and not reconnect until in the strongest of areas, made the phone nearly useless.

Currently driving that very same route with my 4S, it's call quality is simply stellar. It not only hangs onto the signal, but to date it's not dropped once, no matter where I've been. While some of that credit must go to AT&T as they continue to add antennas (I know this as fact), the balance goes to Apple for delivering a phone with a greatly improved external antenna.


2) Here again, I agree with you, the newer, smaller connector is something I welcome.

3) I believe we're all entitled to our own preferences and opinions. The major reasons I tend to be so outspoken and passionate about Apple are twofold. One is purely my loyalty as a long time customer. The second reason is my status as a very long time investor and shareholder in the company. On that topic, Apple's been a great investment considering I paid a very modest $20 per share when I bought the first batch, then I decided (even when Apple was nearly dead) to remain committed, buying more shares on an annual basis every year thereafter, till the present.

Whatever happens with the next new iPhone, I think it's safe to say it will sell like crazy.

Technarchy
Jul 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
The only way I'll be happy with a longer iPhone is if they are doing it as a precursor to a widescreen iPad, to standardize the screen format for developers. I would like a widescreen iPad for video consumption and will deal with a widescreen phone to get it.

Hell no.

You'd lose so much by making the iPad 16:9.

blackhand1001
Jul 21, 2012, 01:29 PM
Apple needs to address the razr maxx. They are losing a ton of sales to it on verizon. Motorola no doubt plans to introduce other models with that battery on other carriers as well.

That battery is really one of the most game changing features in the past few years of smartphones. Even on lte streaming it obliterates the iPhone and other competing phones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7VgPmTvC0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Technarchy
Jul 21, 2012, 01:40 PM
Apple needs to address the razr maxx. They are losing a ton of sales to it on verizon. Motorola no doubt plans to introduce other models with that battery on other carriers as well.

This nonsense again.

In Verizon's own words, about 47% of all their phone sales in Q2 were iPhones. To the tune of 2.7 million.

blackhand1001
Jul 21, 2012, 01:41 PM
This nonsense again.

In Verizon's own words, about 47% of all their phone sales in Q2 were iPhones. To the tune of 2.7 million.
So your saying you wouldn't want better battery life?

Technarchy
Jul 21, 2012, 01:47 PM
So your saying you wouldn't want better battery life?

Sure...in an iPhone.

And your claim was that the iPhone was "losing tons of sales" to the RAZR and you haven't a shred of evidence to back up that claim. Motorola and Verizon would be shouting this from the rooftops if it was even remotely true.

Motorola would sacrifice Larry Page to Ba'al for 1/10 of iPhone sales.

dccorona
Jul 21, 2012, 06:35 PM
It is the same design. All they did is stretch it. No one cares if it is unibody (you won't be able to see that from the outside) and no one cares if Apple has to revamp "CnC machines".

Have you seen the mockups and the leaked back? That's what a unibody would be. You'd certainly be able to tell the difference, and "see it from the outside".

Personally I don't like the design much, if it does indeed look like the renders

The only way I'll be happy with a longer iPhone is if they are doing it as a precursor to a widescreen iPad, to standardize the screen format for developers. I would like a widescreen iPad for video consumption and will deal with a widescreen phone to get it.

Movies aren't 16:9. Widescreen TVs still have letterboxing with modern movies. The aspect ratio of most films is much wider than 16:9, so moving to 16:9 wouldn't fix anything, while simultaneously breaking things (16:9 tablets feel akward, aren't good for books, etc)

Hell no.

You'd lose so much by making the iPad 16:9.

I've used a 16:9 tablet. It feels strange. It's just not the right AR for a tablet

Sedrick
Jul 21, 2012, 09:00 PM
Watching movies on a phone sucks compared to IMAX.

Then again, thats also a terrible reasoning process.

Yep, comparing a phone to IMAX is one intelligent comparison. Much closer than my iPhone-to-hand-held game device comparison. You're a genius!

Supa_Fly
Jul 23, 2012, 08:33 PM
Sure...in an iPhone.

And your claim was that the iPhone was "losing tons of sales" to the RAZR and you haven't a shred of evidence to back up that claim. Motorola and Verizon would be shouting this from the rooftops if it was even remotely true.

Motorola would sacrifice Larry Page to Ba'al for 1/10 of iPhone sales.

LMAO lol. well said!

more than a 3300mAh battery in a future iPhone model I'd LOVE the nano seal protection used in the Razr for future iPhones to make them splash proof; not water proof.

Zaft
Jul 23, 2012, 08:50 PM
So some of you want a drastic redesign just for the hell of it?:rolleyes: