6d42 a.k.a. OS 10.2.1

[metfoo]

I have several pictures, but need webspace. here is about my mac.

The kernal version is dated July 27th, which is kinda odd, but it required 10.2 to install on, and changes all build numbers to 6d42. System profiler and about this mac both report 10.2.1

The installer is 11.4 MB. I have a screen shot of the installer as well. I will post what I can.

[metfoo]

system profiler (editted to remove my username and boot volume name)

[metfoo]

and the startup disk

[metfoo]

installer

[Over Achiever]

Wow, you've posted a lot of pics...I hope I'm not interupting!

I sorely hope these are not photoshopped...that said...

The only weird thing is the date...why would they have the update 10.2.1 before 10.2 was released...and when it was still a developer seed? Maybe its a typo...maybe not...

Interesting though..;)

[MacBandit]

Do you not think that they started making the next update the moment or before they were done with 10.2. This is standard practice and the only way you can turn out products like this in reasonable amount of time. They've been done with the main programming for probably a couple months and have mainly been debugging this doesn't require there entire staff of programmers to do so they start on the next update knowing what they will not finish on this version already.

[mnkeybsness]

is there any changes from 10.2 that are noticeable?

[metfoo]

i dont know if this was in 10.2 or not....

[metfoo]

and the disk image

[al256]

The reason why the kernal is dated July 27 is because in this update they did not change the kernal. This is the same kernal for Mac OS X version 10.2

[metfoo]

i really dont know what has changed. I tried ftp using connect to server and i still didnt get write permissions.

IE has a "aqua blue" option for the buttons. Is that new? I never really change the IE colors, so i dont know if that has been there or if its new.

The system preferences options also appear to be unchanged.

What is the 10.2 version # of mail? and calculator?

This has mail 1.2 v544/543
iChat 1.0 v51
sys pref's 2.1
addressbook 3.0.1 v211
calculator 3.0

[MacAztec]

When you installed it, it should have said what this update does....

[metfoo]

Originally posted by MacAztec
When you installed it, it should have said what this update does....

that information would go in the screen that i captured above. It says something about marketing. Its not a final build, so it doesnt have bug fixes/extra features added into it yet

[mnkeybsness]

Originally posted by metfoo

This has mail 1.2 v544/543
iChat 1.0 v51
sys pref's 2.1
addressbook 3.0.1 v211
calculator 3.0

the versions in 10.2 of those apps are the same

[firewire2001]

try control clicking and looking at the package contents...

this may show some clues...

-f

[James.Paul]

Metfoo, I noticed your running this on a G3 600mhz - I presume the classic iMac. How are you finding Mac OS X 10.2 on there in terms of performance. Does it seem sluggish or is it coping okay? Reason is, my friend, who is on a limited budget wants to get an iMac for her kids and for her to do some word processing etc. I want to know what to expect. This is her first mac - a switcher!!!! but I don't want her to be running up a hill coated in treacle. Thanks

[Biggles]

Originally posted by James.Paul
Metfoo, I noticed your running this on a G3 600mhz - I presume the classic iMac. How are you finding Mac OS X 10.2 on there in terms of performance. Does it seem sluggish or is it coping okay? Reason is, my friend, who is on a limited budget wants to get an iMac for her kids and for her to do some word processing etc. I want to know what to expect. This is her first mac - a switcher!!!! but I don't want her to be running up a hill coated in treacle. Thanks

I'm running 10.2 on a 400mhz G3 w/ 386MB of RAM. Jaguar runs good enough on my mac. Nothing really flies, but it can browse the web, get mail, listen to music, chat, and run a word processor with enough snappiness to not make you want to pull your hair out. A slightly faster G3 with around 512MB of RAM should do the job you want out of it pretty well.

edit: i forgot to mention that i have all those operations on at the same time. If she isnt as much as a multi-tasker, a good G3 is more than enough.

[8thDegreeSavage]

The thing i noticed right away was that Quartz seems a little better....ie when i genie ****e down to my dock it is smoother than a babies bottom.

[AmbitiousLemon]

i installed this same build the 24th hoping it would solve some of the major problems in 10.2. it didnt seem to fix any of the bugs that i have been tracking though (smtp, ftp, finder windows, screen artifacts, etc).

it seems to be making changes to the framworks and library systems. but just looking in package contents like this doesnt tell us much more than that.

the creation dates on the package is the 20th, the read me files metfoo showed us were created the 12th and 14th. Most of the files have creation dates of 20th.

[tliptak]

Where did you get the update?????? Just wondering so I can try it.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by tliptak
Where did you get the update?????? Just wondering so I can try it.
I've spoken to a couple of people who have got it from *cough, cough* Limewire.

[cb911]

why would you want an update that wasn't even ready for release? wouldn't that cause more harm than good?

[mnkeybsness]

i agree with cb911...if it wasn't ready, then obviously it's not worthing using.

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
i agree with cb911...if it wasn't ready, then obviously it's not worthing using.

you know as long as ive been here it still surprises me when someone says something like that. i mean why are you here if you dont want to hear about rumors? why are you readinga thread about an os update if you dont think its worth it? this is a rumors site. if you cant deal with that then please go somewhere else and stop reading about rumors here and insulting people who want to discuss rumors. why you feel compelled to read things and comment on things you dont understand and arent interested in just makes no sense to me.

[firewire2001]

hey.. i juss got a copy of the updarte..

by a little sleuthingg i figured this out..

within the update there are slight updates to

mail
DiscRecordingLib (In the cfm support folder, im assuming this gives more burner support)
AppleFileServer
Classic Startup (classic has already been greatly improved upon in jaguar.)
SystemUIServer (probably the info box for 10.2.1)
SecurityAgentPlugins (looks substantial, includes kerberos 5 auth file)
AppleAltivexDVDDRiver.bundle (maybe dvd burning updates..)
AppleGMACEthernet.kext (ethernet drivers)
ATIDriverUpdate
ATIDriverUpdate.plist
GeForce2MX.ndrv
GeForce2MX.ndrv.plist
control.ndrv (this fires up more rumors between apple and nvidia help, and may explain why certain ppl are experiencing faster GUI speeds..)
ATIRadeon.kext (more radeon drivers)
ATIRadeon8500.kext

There are a slew of more updated video drivers including a geforce3 drive and an atirage128 driver.. if anyone is interested in more of this sort, pm me..

DiscRecording.framework (again, a disc recvoirder update..)
Message.framework (possibly iChat? or renevous?)

there is an update rehash and openssl..

mod_hfs_apple.so (looks like an apache plugin..)


there are about 10-15 files i didnt cover, but this kind of shows what this update may do..

-f

you can see all these files by downloading a program called openup, and uncompressing the file called "Archive.pax.gz" which is contained within the archive, hope this is of some use to you guys.. :D

[whfsdude]

I've got the update, it is in beta stage still, and it does fix some smaller issues but the update was planned before jaguar was GM.

[mac15]

ouch man you wann be quiet,people are listening and arn don't like it on public board, just a word of warning :D

[voyagerd]

i have 6d44

[G4scott]

why the ***** is everyone getting these developer seeds, or beta versions of 10.2.1???

If builds of Apple's OS's run rampant like they have since Jaguar, I'd expect tighter serial control...

I never download or install any beta OS software... I just don't trust it. If you have the time, and can afford to lose all your data, go ahead, but the mass downloading of these builds seems kinda bad...

Just my 2¢

[mac15]

Originally posted by G4scott
why the ***** is everyone getting these developer seeds, or beta versions of 10.2.1???

If builds of Apple's OS's run rampant like they have since Jaguar, I'd expect tighter serial control...

I never download or install any beta OS software... I just don't trust it. If you have the time, and can afford to lose all your data, go ahead, but the mass downloading of these builds seems kinda bad...

Just my 2¢

I ddin't install any of the version I have, that would be stupid, ruin your system ..blah blah blah

but people are just curious to see what apples doing and they need bug fixes ASAP so they go out and find a bodgy copy and say yeah this will fix my computer

my 99c

[firewire2001]

Originally posted by mac15


I ddin't install any of the version I have, that would be stupid, ruin your system ..blah blah blah

but people are just curious to see what apples doing and they need bug fixes ASAP so they go out and find a bodgy copy and say yeah this will fix my computer

my 99c

yeah.. i agree..

after installing that you may not be able to upgrade to newer releases (even minor ones).. for instance, you cant upgrade from 6C48 to jaguar final..

-f

[FattyMembrane]

G4scott is right, i dont know why you would install a pre-release x.x.1 release that you found on carracho. you're going to piss apple off to the point of serial numbers and you obviously have no concern for your machine. if bugs are a problem, re-install 10.1, or use 9 for goodness' sake. do you honestly expect a beta os patch from an anonymous source to fix problems? i'm willing to run lots of beta software on my computer, but operating systems are a whole different matter.

[rigor]

Originally posted by G4scott
I just don't trust it. If you have the time, and can afford to lose all your data, go ahead, but

When you're learning to solder, you often burn yourself. These burns teach you valuable lessons. Some might say "Why would you need to solder anything?", others might say "How can you call yourself a computer user if you can't solder?". Its about the adventure to some and the destination to others :)

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane
G4scott is right, i dont know why you would install a pre-release x.x.1 release that you found on carracho. you're going to piss apple off to the point of serial numbers and you obviously have no concern for your machine. if bugs are a problem, re-install 10.1, or use 9 for goodness' sake. do you honestly expect a beta os patch from an anonymous source to fix problems? i'm willing to run lots of beta software on my computer, but operating systems are a whole different matter.

i find it baffling why people are so quick to criticize things they dont understand. jeez people lighten up. i guess it is fun to sign on to the net and blindly attack people who do things differently than you do, but before you fire off your ignorant mouths at least check who you are attacking and where you are. these are the people delivering rumors to you, and i assume you are interested in rumors seeinga s you are at macRUMORS.com. if you are so anal and paranoid perhaps you shoudlnt be reading these forums at all. stay at home and wait for apple to tell you what they are doing and wait for apple to tell you what to think about it.

and jeez people get your facts straight too. you act like you have some unknown information that you are imparting on all of us. we are the people who know the most about computers, we arent blindly downloading and installing stuff. we fool around with things, and figure them out. i have a computer and a partition specifically for betas. i run all my betas oses and software on it. all of my data is on 3 separate hard drive son three separate computers and on cd. all of my data is on separate partitions from all of my oses. i know what i am doing. i investigated the package, checked its authenticity installed it on my beta computer/partition checked the bugs im tracking and shut it down.

if you dont understand what, why, or how people are conducting themselves dont be so quick to attack. it is insulting and doesnt make it likley that people will share information (whether it be rumors or trouble shooting) in the future.

burn your bridges elsewhere, i for one appreciate people who go the extra mile to check things out so as to learn and share information.

[8thDegreeSavage]

The LEmon kicked all your self rightious butts.....:D

[mac15]

damn straight lemon, you are da man

[Ambrose Chapel]

Has anyone using the .1 update burned a data disc to see if they can be read by Windows now? That's a pretty annoying Jag bug.

[FattyMembrane]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


if you are so anal and paranoid perhaps you shoudlnt be reading these forums at all.

...before you fire off your ignorant mouths at least check who you are attacking


i'll remember that when i'm typing in my serial number, or maybe i'm just being ignorant. i dont feel like starting a shouting match over this. sorry for the rant and smart ass comment, but i can't just walk off with my tail between my legs, it's not good form ;)

[mac15]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane


i'll remember that when i'm typing in my serial number, or maybe i'm just being ignorant. i dont feel like starting a shouting match over this. sorry for the rant and smart ass comment, but i can't just walk off with my tail between my legs, it's not good form ;)

is putting in a serial that bad, or will it conflict with your pirated version of MAC OSX ? :o
whats so bad about putting a serial in, a 15 digit number, wahhh thats was painfull

psh get a grip, its serial number its not hard to put in

[gopher]

Originally posted by metfoo
i dont know if this was in 10.2 or not....
It is in 10.2.0

[gopher]

I just hope that everyone who does download 10.2.1 plans to buy it, or plans to buy an Apple update in the future. Because if you aren't you are doing Apple more harm than good. Beta test all you like, but be aware that if Apple doesn't get paid for its work, it may stop working altogether.

[DaveGee]

Originally posted by gopher
I just hope that everyone who does download 10.2.1 plans to buy it, or plans to buy an Apple update in the future. Because if you aren't you are doing Apple more harm than good. Beta test all you like, but be aware that if Apple doesn't get paid for its work, it may stop working altogether.

Gimme a break... 10.2.1 as well as 10.2.2 (yes that is a FACT we will see 10.2.2 and sooner rather than later from what I hear) will be FREE! Sofware update makes it easy for Apple to churn out fixes very quickly and that is exactly what they have been, are and will continue to do. Six months waitng for dot (or in the case of X dot dot) releases are a thing of the past and instead of having just one or two dot (dot dot) releases before the next paid update this new OS will have far more. 10.1 had 5 of them and I'd be willing to bet that 10.2 will see at least 5 before we get major wind of the Panther release being ready.

As for bug tracking.. here are some of the major ones I'm waiting for fixes on:

- CD Burning (windows support is broken)
- SMB Browsing (beyond the local subnet)
- dot files littering Windows file shares (yuck I really hope that's gonna get fixed soon)

Can you tell I work at a place with lots of Windows machines? ;)

Dave

[gopher]

Even though those will be free, I hope you aren't just upgrading a previously pirated version of 10.2.0. Because you aren't going to get the same thing. Apple has 1000 developers working on Jaguar in their place alone. For all those of us who paid because we don't trust pirated software, you are being unfair if all you do is pirate software. I ruined my system once too many with pirated software and never will pirate again. It is a matter of principle, matter of integrity, and a matter of doing the right thing. Those who just pirate are doing Apple no good.

And furthermore, Apple had to lay off people recently. I wouldn't be surprised if due to pirating it wasn't able to manage to bring money to those people in time. If you want software this good to be produced in the future, you should pay for it.

[Spike Spiegel]

its very odd, but after getting my dual gig, 10.2 performs kind of strangely. when the computer starts up it shows the question mark folder before showing the spinning dashes. then warcraft3 unexpectedly quits 3 times, as does Explorer, and medal of honor. sometimes when i restart, my desktop reverts to the factory settings. While my 10.1 never froze ever, i had 10.2 freeze to the extent that i had to unplug it. Is anyone else having these problems or did i get a lemon?

[Bear]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
Has anyone using the .1 update burned a data disc to see if they can be read by Windows now? That's a pretty annoying Jag bug.
It's a bug? I hadn't noticed any problems reading CD-R's burned on 10.2 with Win2K.

[Ambrose Chapel]

It's a bug? I hadn't noticed any problems reading CD-R's burned on 10.2 with Win2K.

Yeah, there is a thread on the Macworld forums that detail it pretty well. One of their lab guys tested it and found that if you burn a data CD via Disc Burner and put files inside of folders, then Win2k and XP will not be able to read inside the folders. If you just put files on the CD without folders, there is no problem.

From my own experience I burned a CD with folders and my W2k machine at work could not open the folders. I haven't tried a CD without folders yet. Anyway, I hope the fix is forthcoming...
:(

edit: here is a link to the MW thread:
http://www.macworld.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008706

[phgreer]

So where is it? Is wasn't being released during the Expo like iCal?

[unicone]

it's now 6D44 guy's

[phgreer]

Originally posted by unicone
it's now 6D44 guy's


So, What does that mean?