MOSR: Apple Web Browser [Archive]

bdkennedy1

Dec 9, 2002, 01:15 AM

With Apple pushing it's technology apps, it's embarassing that they don't have a decent stable browser in OS X. Such an awesome OS needs to have its own browser and they know that.

Being subscribed to the Chimera news threads, the development group is painstakingly making sure it looks and acts like an iApp. They still have 3 point releases to go before 1.0 which should be released in the same timeframe as OS X 10.3.

There have been numerous feature requests from people in the threads and sometimes the Chimera team's reply is "That's not how Apple would want it."

I have no doubt Apple is involved in Chimera's development and Chimera will be in 10.3. Microsoft integrated their browser and got away with it, now Apple is going to do the same.

alset

Dec 9, 2002, 01:21 AM

Some people wonder why Apple would use Chimer technology for a browser. For those in doubt, I remind you that iTunes is really SoundApp with a new interface and better visuals. Apple loves to buy up technology that has been tested and proven.

One other note - was anyone else disappointed that OpenDoc didn't succeed? Of course, I know why it didn't work during it's time... But it's a great coincidence that it was brought up after I had been reminiscing about it, along with CyberDog, just today.

Dan

zimv20

Dec 9, 2002, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by alset

One other note - was anyone else disappointed that OpenDoc didn't succeed?

no worries, the document-centric approach has now been invented by MS and it'll make its way into XP soon enough.

so let's see, that's GUI, protected memory, mp3, the stack, client/server, spreadsheets... all things i've heard others say MS invented.

boobers

Dec 9, 2002, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by sparkleytone
sorry but i dont see it happening. chimera is fine...so is ie. just dont see it happening. ie crashes no more than its windows counterpart.

Don't be sorry man..they didn't hire hyatt for nothing.

Falleron

Dec 9, 2002, 04:52 AM

I think it is very important that IE continues to be developed for the Mac. This is what PC folk will look for + if they dont find it they may think twice about switching (I know it depends on lots of other things but this is an obvious piece of software).

bluecell

Dec 9, 2002, 04:59 AM

AssassinOfGates

Dec 9, 2002, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by springscansing
and Chimera doesn't even have history or the ability to open images in a new window

Aren't you quite the pessimistic one?

Chimera does have a history with 0.6, plus it can open images in a new window through a minor inconvenience. Right-click the image, copy the location, and put it in the URL bar. Plus you just have to love the fact that chimera blocks popups, launches the fastest, doesn't force you to use its own mail and address book, and can choose between tabs and new windows.

The only thing IMO that it needs work on is with plugins such as MPG, MP4, PDF and Real

peterjhill

Dec 9, 2002, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by AssassinOfGates
doesn't force you to use its own mail and address book, and can choose between tabs and new windows.

People love to bash Microsoft. I hope that any Apple browser will include an autofill feature. I use it all the time, and it has kept me from using other browsers. IE rarely crashes on me, less than once a week under heavy use. Much less.

IE does not force you to use it's own mail program. When I click on a mailto: like, Apple's mail.app opens up. You need to make sure that your settings in the Apple Internet Control panel are set properly. Thus, IE also does not force you to use it's own addressbook, since there are no address books tied directly to IE.

I will look at Apple's browser, just as i look at all new browsers. I have IE, iCab, Mozilla, and Netscape installed on my computer, IE is my primary browser. It will continue to be, as long as it remains what I feel is the best browser for my use.

tompatros

Dec 9, 2002, 06:24 AM

They could make a browser out of a monkey, some flash cards and a blue highlighter for all I care, as long as it is W3C COMPLIANT. Please don't make all the designers + developers of the world have to worry about yet another browser with its own idiosyncracies.

dongmin

Dec 9, 2002, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by tompatros
They could make a browser out of a monkey, some flash cards and a blue highlighter for all I care, as long as it is W3C COMPLIANT. Please don't make all the designers + developers of the world have to worry about yet another browser with its own idiosyncracies.

Apple's really been into open standards lately, to set themselves apart from Msoft, so I think we're safe here.

rugby

Dec 9, 2002, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by alset
Some people wonder why Apple would use Chimer technology for a browser. for those in doubt, I remind you that iTunes is really SoundApp with a new interface and better visuals. Apple loves to buy up technology that has been tested and proven.

Actually iTunes was SoundJam from Cassidy and Green along with CD Master from Radialogic. Apple bought both proggies and combined them into the beast that iTunes is today.

Falleron

Dec 9, 2002, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by bluecell
I disagree. I know more PC people who hate IE than like it. No one will really care. IE isn't something that people look for when choosing a platform.
I know that lots of people dont like IE on windows. However, when you say the word Internet Browser you generally think of IE or Netscape (on the PC). Its a little different on the Mac because we are used to using different browsers. I use Mozilla 90% of the time + IE when I need to use Online stores (some dont work in Mozilla). I just think it is important to get full support from Microsoft in order to keep the Mac platform fighting. I know we could do without it, but I think it would be better to keep it.

Anyway, everyone will have a different opinion on this!

woodsey

Dec 9, 2002, 07:10 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alset
[B]Some people wonder why Apple would use Chimer technology for a browser. for those in doubt, I remind you that iTunes is really SoundApp with a new interface and better visuals.

Actually, iTunes is based on SoundJam, not SoundApp!

Schlomo

Dec 9, 2002, 08:02 AM

Boy.. I was hoping to find some juicy bits in that weblog.. what a snore it was to read.. I guess SJ and company wouldnt like it too much if he was talking about his project at Apple.

bluecell

Dec 9, 2002, 08:11 AM

I'm sure Steve Jobs keeps family members of all of his employees to make sure no one talks. :)

chmorley

Dec 9, 2002, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by springscansing
Seriously.. its embarrasing. IE crashes too much, and Chimera doesn't even have history or the ability to open images in a new window, and Mozilla's interface is a snail. They all suck! Chimera has a history. It had been hidden, but it is now enabled in the nightlies (for about the past 3 weeks or so). It's all right.

Chris

Zaren

Dec 9, 2002, 09:18 AM

The latest update of Chimera rocks.

I'd agree with that... if not for the fact that Chimera crashed on me one night, and hasn't managed to restart since then. It launches, shows the splash screen... and that's it. Force quit every time to get out of it.

This is Chimera 0.6, Dec. 4th build, running on 10.2.2. I'm now using Mozilla 1.2.1, which is a damned sight improved from the 1.1 beta I was running previously.

Taft

Dec 9, 2002, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by peterjhill

I will look at Apple's browser, just as i look at all new browsers. I have IE, iCab, Mozilla, and Netscape installed on my computer, IE is my primary browser. It will continue to be, as long as it remains what I feel is the best browser for my use.

I notice that you don't mention Chimera of Omniweb. Are you running OS X?

If you haven't tried Chimera recently, I don't think you are experiencing all of the best browsers out there. Its Mozilla, only without all of the crap you don't use anyway. Plus its faster. Give it a shot, you'll be surprised.

Taft

Frobozz

Dec 9, 2002, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by tompatros
They could make a browser out of a monkey, some flash cards and a blue highlighter for all I care, as long as it is W3C COMPLIANT. Please don't make all the designers + developers of the world have to worry about yet another browser with its own idiosyncracies.

Funny. LOL. Seriously. But aside from that, you have no need to worry. Chimera is the Gecko engine with an OS X native GUI. In other words, it's essentially 100% standards compliant.

Mr.Hey

Dec 9, 2002, 09:50 AM

Mr.Hey

Dec 9, 2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Zaren
The latest update of Chimera rocks.

I'd agree with that... if not for the fact that Chimera crashed on me one night, and hasn't managed to restart since then. It launches, shows the splash screen... and that's it. Force quit every time to get out of it.

This is Chimera 0.6, Dec. 4th build, running on 10.2.2. I'm now using Mozilla 1.2.1, which is a damned sight improved from the 1.1 beta I was running previously.

Save your bookmark file and trash the chimera folder and its preferences. It should work after that.

sparkleytone

Dec 9, 2002, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by boobers

Don't be sorry man..they didn't hire hyatt for nothing.

of course they didnt...they hired him to work on the Apple Help app.

Natron

Dec 9, 2002, 11:00 AM

I agree that Apple needs a browser of it's own. I've been hoping for one for quite awhile.

I also agree that Apple needs Microsoft, but Microsoft also needs Apple. Microsoft would probably be fine in not having Mac compatible versions, although it could be like trying to kill of the Mac.

Consumers are very, well...consumer oriented. They see 2.66 Ghz on a computer compared to a dual 1.25Ghz computer, and they automatically think it's faster, regardless of whether it is or not. When they see IE or MS Office on the Mac, they see that as an upside. They don't know that Appleworks and other browsers will probably work just fine for their needs.

If Apple does come out with it's own browser or an MS Office competing Appleworks, I don't think it is going to hurt Microsoft all that much, as long as it is still available for the Mac. Apple's campaign can become one of "here's the app we give you, but if you want to go get something else, go ahead". Microsoft just forces the user to use their products, and doesn't want you to use anything else. Apple can give you choices.

The reason I don't see Microsoft abandoning the Mac platform, is because that can be a marketing thing. "IE and MS Office compatible with both PC's and Macs". Sure, some people wouldn't go Mac if they didn't see IE and MS Office, but if it is still available to them, then that would be good for both sides. Heck, people could start using an Apple browser and Appleworks, and find it suits their needs perfectly. I honestly don't see Microsoft discontinuing IE or MS Office for the Mac. I just think the pricing for MS Office sucks, and that Apple doesn't like it either. Apple wants to put something out there that their users can use, and not have to pay nearly $500 more for (sorry, don't mean to wander away from the web browser).

Besides, if there is still IE compatibility, people can just go download it. No problems.

-Natron

copperpipe

Dec 9, 2002, 11:07 AM

gimme autofill on Chimera and its a done deal. I agree about the flagrant Microsoft bashing, especially about IE. It's a fine browser, and has some rather nice features. I am currently using Chimera however, because it seems a bit faster, and i'll admit it, I like the way it feels.

Hawthorne

Dec 9, 2002, 11:41 AM

It's all about tabbed browsing. Once you've used those, you're hooked. I keep IE around just because there's some sites I visit that have old browser recognition scripts ( Mozilla 1.2.1 reads as Netscape 6. Idiots.), but I love my tabs.

I don't think that this feature will migrate to IE as a Microsoft "innovation". Windows users are too accustomed to either alt-tabbing through active IE windows or clicking on the task bar for each one. The idea that one window may show multiple pages make cause them to seize up a la "Scanners". :)

iJon

Dec 9, 2002, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Schlomo
Boy.. I was hoping to find some juicy bits in that weblog.. what a snore it was to read.. I guess SJ and company wouldnt like it too much if he was talking about his project at Apple.

if your caught talking about stuff your fired automatically.

iJon

IJ Reilly

Dec 9, 2002, 12:20 PM

"Long-time Apple fans will remember that Apple had marketed their own browser years ago - Cyberdog... which was subsequently discontinued along with their OpenDoc technology."

Nooo... not this one again! Cyberdog was not a web browser, it was an OpenDoc container application that just happened to support web browsing abilities. I can just see the headlines next year:

Apple Releases Second Web Browser After Failed First Effort

Please spare us this fate. It was bad enough to lose OpenDoc without it being called a "web browser."

Thirteenva

Dec 9, 2002, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by sparkleytone
sorry but i dont see it happening. chimera is fine...so is ie. just dont see it happening. ie crashes no more than its windows counterpart.

I have to disagree with you there. On both points.

But more specifically about windows IE crashing as much as OS X IE.

Windows IE is much more stable than IE on the mac. I use both all day long(mac OS X and win 98se). IE on windows will crash about once a week, IE on mac once a day(at least).

The major diffrence???? When IE on OS X crashes, i don't have to reboot. :D

EDIT: and on the xp machines i've used, i haven't had IE crash yet.

Wyvernspirit

Dec 9, 2002, 01:04 PM

I use IE on various forms of windows at work, and on my OS X machine at home. IE on Widows, crashes at least once a day if not more. I might get IE to crash once a week on my computer. The only time it crashed more was when I was having some technical problems with the machine. Now its smooth.

I would love an Apple browser. I would love to have the integration between it and other iApps.

Just my 2 cents.

Thirteenva

Dec 9, 2002, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Wyvernspirit
I use IE on various forms of windows at work, and on my OS X machine at home. IE on Widows, crashes at least once a day if not more. I might get IE to crash once a week on my computer. The only time it crashed more was when I was having some technical problems with the machine. Now its smooth.

I would love an Apple browser. I would love to have the integration between it and other iApps.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm quite stunned. While i've had many problems with windows in general (grrrrrr:mad: lousy windows), IE hasn't given me too much trouble on win platforms(aside from being a memory hog). I usually have a minumum of 2 browser windows open at a time. And IE on my mac quits much more than on my windows machines(and is slow as hell on the mac). Of the 5 browsers i have on my pc's i find IE the best experience.

On my mac its Chimera hands down no contest. Fast and stable.
Just wish it had better flash support but its javascript and css support is better than IE.

chewbaccapits

Dec 9, 2002, 02:29 PM

When the Apple browser comes out, whta do you think it would be called? I can see it being called;

PHONEIX

What can you guys come up with?

peterjhill

Dec 9, 2002, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
When the Apple browser comes out, whta do you think it would be called? I can see it being called;
PHONEIX

Do you mean Phoenix?

chewbaccapits

Dec 9, 2002, 03:24 PM

Yes...Sorry about the mispelled word...

IJ Reilly

Dec 9, 2002, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
When the Apple browser comes out, whta do you think it would be called? I can see it being called;

PHONEIX

Why would it be named after a city in Arizona?

Anyway, I suggest:

iBrowse

(Remember, you heard it here first)

alset

Dec 9, 2002, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by rugby

Actually iTunes was SoundJam from Cassidy and Green along with CD Master from Radialogic. Apple bought both proggies and combined them into the beast that iTunes is today.

You got me! Thanks for the correction. I should have known better, seeing as I loved that program with all my heart. 8)

Dan

Wry Cooter

Dec 9, 2002, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Frobozz

Funny. LOL. Seriously. But aside from that, you have no need to worry. Chimera is the Gecko engine with an OS X native GUI. In other words, it's essentially 100% standards compliant.

Until MS starts using their market clout to 'innovate' standards to work with their browser more than another-- which is why I think Apple should tippy toe quietly into their presentation of a chimera based browser, and even keep MSIE around. Because MS is not beyond giving people site building tools that would automatically check to see if Explorer is running. I know it is conceptually ridiculous for any one to limit their served content to only one browser, but that doesn't keep people or corporations from doing so.

Its a bit like OpenGL and ActiveX... doesn't really matter how open OpenGL is if everyone is coding for ActiveX.

Biggles

Dec 9, 2002, 05:14 PM

I see it being named iSurf or iWeb. They just have a better ring to it.

chewbaccapits

Dec 9, 2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by IJ Reilly

Anyway, I suggest:

iBrowse

(Remember, you heard it here first)

How about iNet...Nah, too clsoe to crapow's .NET...Hmm...How about ePPLE NET Axplorer...Nah to obvious....Let me do some thinking....

ChicagoMac

Dec 9, 2002, 05:46 PM

iBrowse sounds too much like a bad joke waiting to happen(eye brows). Maybe ibrowser, but still sounds funny. But why does it have to be "i" something? As long as it works I don't care what they call it.

AssassinOfGates

Dec 9, 2002, 07:56 PM

Hmm, i can see the possibilities for an Apple Browser. I just downloaded OpenDoc and CyberDog, and they did some cool stuff. I like how it has that opening page with search, explore, news, appletalk, etc. The whole thing is just too cute, its ashamed to see it abandoned :(

EDIT: I am currently posting this through CyberDog in OS X's classic mode.

FattyMembrane

Dec 9, 2002, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by alset
One other note - was anyone else disappointed that OpenDoc didn't succeed? Of course, I know why it didn't work during it's time... But it's a great coincidence that it was brought up after I had been reminiscing about it, along with CyberDog, just today.
not a day goes by that i don't wish apple had kept opendoc alive. services are a joke. that report on an apple branded web browser got me all sentimental, and i went and installed opendoc and cyberdog on my 9.2.2 system. that technology was so far ahead of it's time, i'm still not quite sure what caused it to bust. i'm hoping that the only reason apple did not let brad hutchings continue development is because they are going to resurect it themselves (fat chance).

on to the browser. if apple was going to release chimera as it's own, wouldnt developing it alongside the actual chimera project be a waste of effort? either they'll wait until it's done and bundle it, or take over work from the devs.

but... let me direct you to this thread, where i made a wild assumption that sherlock will grow to include chimera as a built-in browser/help-viewer.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15193

as far as the name is concerned, i think that it would be a great opportunity to unleash Cyberdog 4.0 (i've heard that there were internal builds of cybie 3). if not, how about eWorld? apple is not beyond using defunct names for new products, just look at cocoa (it was origionally their ide for letting kids make simple games).

MacSlut

Dec 9, 2002, 08:53 PM

I don't believe Apple is going to release its own browser, nor should it.

Most other browsers don't come anywhere close enough to be compatible with IE for Windows to be used by those of us where this is an issue. There are instances of differences between IE Mac and Windows, but for the most part it's close enough. Hell, some sites check the browser type and don't let any other browser into the site.

No other browser is ready for prime-time and is comparable to the latest IE. Most people point to Chimera or whatever and praise Tabbed Windows and Popup blocking, but I see those features being added to IE for the Mac much more likely to occur than the things missing from Chimera.

Why should Apple dedicate resources to this? There's no revenue in it for them, and they'd be competing against Microsoft...which is a no win situation. Let's say Apple only includes its own (integrated) browser, and people adopt it. Microsoft would discontinue development. There would be one browser for the Mac, Apple would be forced to continue development and costs associated with it...as opposed to letting 3rd parties develop and compete with MS, thus offering users choice.

From Apple's perspective, how much better could a browser be? It would have to be a lot better, not just slightly better. Having MS software available for the Mac is a huge thing for some people. Seeing the "e" logo is meaningful. It would be one thing if an Apple Browser totally kicked butt so significantly that Apple could show it off in demos and commercials, but that just isn't going to happen.

BTW: for a variety of reasons I prefer IE for the Mac to IE for Windows. There's only one thing that will crash IE for the Mac. It sometimes crashes when I use the browser to open a file that is in the process of being written to disk.

whfsdude

Dec 9, 2002, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by sparkleytone

of course they didnt...they hired him to work on the Apple Help app.

I am one the Apple Help discussion list and Mr. Hyatt is not on it.

I think he is working on a web browser for the new digital device that is coming ;•)

FattyMembrane

Dec 10, 2002, 04:36 PM

edited due to inaccuracy

chewbaccapits

Dec 10, 2002, 06:29 PM

Phoenix..Call it Phoenix...

MrMacMan

Dec 10, 2002, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
Phoenix..Call it Phoenix...
Yeah that or.
[Winds up un-used apple trademarks machine]
iPhone, Yup it has nothing to do with phones but it will confuse the enemy. :rolleyes:
Hehehe, I like more of a iSurf .

vniow

Dec 10, 2002, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
Phoenix..Call it Phoenix... Phoenix is already a browser and they're changing it's name in January because there is yet another browser called Phoenix so I don't think Apple will adopt that name anytime soon.....

bbowdon

Dec 11, 2002, 08:32 AM

What, am I the only person here who uses Netscape?

And since I'm one of the financially strapped Mac folks still using a pre-OSX system, I'm glad Netscape builds in email functions.

There are occasional crashes, true enough, but in general I like "my father's browser." (Actually, my father uses IE on Wintel, and I'm always preaching otherwise.)

Has anyone here even tried the latest Netscape version 7??

Falleron

Dec 11, 2002, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by bbowdon
What, am I the only person here who uses Netscape?

Has anyone here even tried the latest Netscape version 7??
I tried version 7 (but found a bug + could not fix it at the time). However, I believe that V7.0.1 now fixed that. However, I have moved to Mozilla which is very similar to Netscape and have no plans to swap back.

NicoMan

Dec 11, 2002, 11:31 AM

I always (well i switched only about a year ago) used IE on the Mac until i downloaded Mozilla 1.2.1 a couple of days ago. I find it quite good; the look and feel is way better than IE, and once it is started (very very long start) it is at least as fast as IE, and it doesn't crash every now and then. Now as other people on that thread have said, to do online banking and some other stuff, i have to go back to IE, but i try to do it as rarely as possible. But the thing is IE doesn't always work perfectly on the Mac either. So for me it is Mozilla (80%) and IE(20%).
But even so, i would love an Apple Browser based on a good rendering engine (gecko ?) that would be part of the OS. Because other apps have to render web pages (Help, Mail.app when you receive a html message, etc...) and OS X would benefit a lot from tight integration of the rendering engine (I know it sounds awfully familiar with the IE/Windows, but that's probably the way forward for Apple).

My 2 cents

NicoMan

chicagdan

Dec 11, 2002, 01:05 PM

The thing that annoys me to no end about IE on the Mac is that it is not 100% compatible with IE on Windows. The cde is so different from IE on Windows that most servers think it is a Netscape browser. Lotus Notes webmail doesn't work with it at all (by the way, NO Mac web browser works with it ... very annoying because I can't access my work e-mail from my iMac at home.)

So there's absolutely no reason to stay with IE. It doesn't take advantage of Quartz. It's slower than Mozilla, Chimera, OmniWeb, etc. Let it die. No one will miss it.

FattyMembrane

Dec 11, 2002, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by bbowdon
What, am I the only person here who uses Netscape?
i use netscape 7 under 9.2.2 and it works excellently (i love how you can choose which features to install, unlike the monolithic mozilla builds, although i like moz a little better). xul is very fast under os9 and i find ns7 to be the best classic browser (although cyberdog does a lot of my surfing for sentimental reasons :D )

but under osx, netscape and mozilla are bloated and slow (we already have a mail app and a chat app and an irc app, so about the only other useful feature is the html editor and xul is much slower in x). chimera also renders faster than moz or ns, so in x, there's really no point of using netscape.

NicoMan

Dec 13, 2002, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by NicoMan
So for me it is Mozilla (80%) and IE(20%).

Well that was me 2 days ago. Intrigued by (almost) everyone saying how great Chimera is, i gave it a go (that's the beauty with OSX, you can install and uninstall applications so easily without too much rubbish left on your HD, and even then it is really easy to find it and delete it), along with Netscape 7.
Well I've been bowled over by Chimera !!!
Sure it is not full featured yet but it does the job for 80% of my browsing, and this with a responsiveness equivalent to that of IE6 on a fast Windows PC (my opinion anyway).
Keep up the good work Chimera, and hopefully we will have a proper browsing experience... whether it is under the Apple or Chimera name:D .

NicoMan

jon_p

Dec 24, 2002, 12:56 PM

surley someone here must have tried opera, its fast slick and a whole lot better then most of the others i have used, i use it on my pc and powerbook, pop up manager , auto fill the lot

try, would like to know if other people like it too!!

funkywhat2

Dec 24, 2002, 11:22 PM

Just call it Browser, like Mail is called Mail. The iApps are geared to consumers, not things like Mail, which are for all users.

With all luck, they won't pull an M$ on us and make it so the browser can't be unintsalled - then again, beez did it with iChat (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16083), so why not?

chmorley

Dec 25, 2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by jon_p
surley someone here must have tried opera, its fast slick and a whole lot better then most of the others i have used, i use it on my pc and powerbook, pop up manager , auto fill the lot

try, would like to know if other people like it too!! I have used Opera a fair bit. I think it's nowhere near as fast or as polished as Chimera. I know some people are jazzed on it, but considering how long it has been around, I would have expected much more from it by now. I believe the only feature it has that Chimera lacks is autocomplete, and Chimera has some things Opera lacks.

Yeah, I'm just not swayed.

Chris

Mal

Dec 25, 2002, 05:08 PM

I think that an Apple-branded browser would be awesome, and based on Chimera is the way to go, but I think you are all way off on the name. :D

The only thing Apple would name their web browser would be the most obvious name in the world:

WEB

And they won't need to pull a M$ and make it the only browser that works. All they do is make it the best, like iTunes, and no one will want to use anything else. Besides, they have nothing to lose, since it will be free, and they could gain a lot from it. Just imagine when eveery commercial or print ad that shows a web site has the Mac OS X menubar and the Apple symbol on the browser, because all the advertising companies are using Web to browse the web anyways.

JW

bluecell

Dec 25, 2002, 05:47 PM

Actually, I think it will be called Navigator.

gopher

Dec 25, 2002, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by chicagdan
The thing that annoys me to no end about IE on the Mac is that it is not 100% compatible with IE on Windows. The cde is so different from IE on Windows that most servers think it is a Netscape browser. Lotus Notes webmail doesn't work with it at all (by the way, NO Mac web browser works with it ... very annoying because I can't access my work e-mail from my iMac at home.)

So there's absolutely no reason to stay with IE. It doesn't take advantage of Quartz. It's slower than Mozilla, Chimera, OmniWeb, etc. Let it die. No one will miss it.

Lotus notes is available for the Mac.
You can download a trial version here:

http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/preconfig.jsp?id=2002-12-22+21%3A25%3A15.330517R&S_TACT=&S_CMP=&s=

Akira

Dec 27, 2002, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by jon_p
surley someone here must have tried opera, its fast slick and a whole lot better then most of the others i have used, i use it on my pc and powerbook, pop up manager , auto fill the lot

try, would like to know if other people like it too!!
I'm sorry but I disagree.

Opera is a fast browser, but it lacks javascript support.
It doesn't even open a new window properly! I'll try Opera when you can call it finished...

JW Pepper

Dec 28, 2002, 12:22 PM

It shoul be called Nettie.

techne

Dec 28, 2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Falleron
I think it is very important that IE continues to be developed for the Mac. This is what PC folk will look for + if they dont find it they may think twice about switching (I know it depends on lots of other things but this is an obvious piece of software).

I don't think so. One thing that made me switch to Apple was the existence of apps with no conection to Windowsland (i.e iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iTunes, etc). I like the idea of a Mac-only browser and when I got my Pismo (what a beautiful quasi-organic piece of tech) I was thinking there was a Apple browser mostly because that myth who states the Mac and Windows world hates each other. I wasn't expecting to find the mac counterparts of ie and office. Chimera seems pretty fast for me and with IE getting older and older for mac, I guess it'll be my main browser in the next months.

Techné.

GeneR

Jan 7, 2003, 07:18 AM

Hi,

I have a question. I really don't know anything about Chimera, Opera, iCab, etc. I do use OSX IE and AOL OSX.

Could Apple create a Browser that allowed you to save the bookmarks in one safe, easily accessible document on your computer (accessible in, say, the program's preference window), and portable to other iApps, capable of being backed up to .Mac, and/or even to some iPod so you can carry them with you (and not have to worry about losing the bookmarks?)

My main concern has been that although I have OS X (ver. 10.1.5) that I have had to reinstall the operating system several times over the course of owning this version of OS X due to problems I had (and got fixed) with the old hardware. As a result, I lost bookmarks accumulated at least a few times.

So, with that in mind, having a portable Bookmarks file, (I would think) might be cool so you didn't have to track down website addresses should you be using a friend's mac, or even a new mac.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks! :D

MacSlut

Jan 8, 2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by GeneR
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Could Apple create a Browser that allowed you to save the bookmarks in one safe, easily accessible document on your computer (accessible in, say, the program's preference window), and portable to other iApps, capable of being backed up to .Mac, and/or even to some iPod so you can carry them with you (and not have to worry about losing the bookmarks?)

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Please let me know what you think. Thanks! :D

Almost all browsers have a XML, HTML or some kind of text file database for bookmarks. For Safari, look in your user directory->Library->Safari->Bookmarks.plist

For Explorer, look in your user directory->Library->Preferences->Explorer->Favorites.html

I highly recommend keeping your user Library backed up, which would include these files. My entire user Library is only 215MB, your mileage may vary, but I think for most people it should easily fit on one CD.

Wry Cooter

Jan 8, 2003, 05:12 PM

I somehow got the impression safari would have "itunes like" seaching of bookmarks... if that is the case I haven't figured it out. iTunes 1.0 maybe.
The field I thought that was used to seach bookmarks is actually a google web search.

I would love to sort through the bookmarks by name and by URL, to help corral them into meaningful groups. I was half expecting a wildcard browse type of function that searches the bookmarks in a wildcard fashion like itunes, reducing the number of bookmarks available to choose from. (Safari imported over 500 bookmarks)

I would also like a bot that would run through a set of URLs, and report dead links. I used to keep an applescript around that would open multiple windows for a text list of URLs.