FCP4..... anyone know anything?

[UnixMac]

I am gonna the plunge for FCP3 (my wife can get it for $299, educator discount)... but I hear that an FCP4 is comming out soon.... anyone know if its worth the wait, or is it just hard core stuff that a home user won't need anyway?

thanks

[Computer_Phreak]

Originally posted by UnixMac
I am gonna the plunge for FCP3 (my wife can get it for $299, educator discount)... but I hear that an FCP4 is comming out soon.... anyone know if its worth the wait, or is it just hard core stuff that a home user won't need anyway?

thanks

I'd probably wait.... check out www.thinksecret.com
they have some rumors about FCP4 and generally, they are 95% correct.


EDIT:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/finalcutpro4.html
take a look and decide for yourself

[mymemory]

I haven been able to crack FCP3 yet, I hope they change the security of 4. :D

[Computer_Phreak]

Originally posted by mymemory
I haven been able to crack FCP3 yet, I hope they change the security of 4. :D

Well, FCP 3 is quite easy to crack, and there are actually lots of people out there with a cracked version....
Not that I would know :D

[UnixMac]

Seems like on a program that expensive, Apple would have some kind of spyware that will poison the program if you don't have the original.

I hear Adobe does that too.

[springscansing]

Apple does not implement any sort of ultra-insane copy protection on ANY of their products. I run a Carracho server, and yeah, I have a working copy of FCP3. *shrug*

The thing is, 99% of people who DL FCP3 illegally would've never bought it anyway. They're mostly stupid teenagers trying to edit together some skateboarding or porn. And since iMovie is free, they'd be nuts to buy FCP anyway for most things. iMovie is great for most consumers.

[Wano]

Your comment is kind of out of line....I agree that downloading software is not a good way to go....but, most teenagers don't have a thoushand dollars to spend on software, i sure don't...but, don't underestimate young video filmers and editors, i am only 17 and i love to edit and i don't edit porn.

[UnixMac]

his comment may have a bit of ad hominem, but the fact is that if the people who were DL(ing) FCP and Adobe Photoshop were serious users, Apple and Adobe would be more interested in getting them to stop.... it is the fact that most professionals have to license their product that keeps things in harmony... I think that the minute we start getting Pro's steeling software, Congress will pass a law making at a felony with jail time to DL a $50 shareware.

[Doctor Q]

So, it looks like Apple went down (Final Cut Express) instead of up (Final Cut Pro 4). So they have a product positioned between $0 iMovie and $1000 FCP3.

Students and teachers can get the full version for the same price as FCE (unless they discount it for education too).

For everyone else doing DV format editing, I can't tell for sure what advantages there would be to getting the full version. It could be that FCE doesn't include OfflineRT, for example. They don't mention that explicitly. Can anyone confirm?

[UnixMac]

I paid only $299 for my FCP 3 so I don't feel burnt for once... although I would have like to wait a month or so for that 17" PB.. oh well... I figure this way they can get the bugs out of it before I buy my duel 1.5Ghz version next year.

[madamimadam]

The question states "is it just hard core stuff that a home user won't need anyway".

I think that if you are just a home user you should just get FC Express and save yourself even more money.

[UnixMac]

For the average user buying FCX would be the smart thing as it doesn 99% more than most consumer movie makers out there on wintel and apple... however, if you can get the edu version of FCP... for only $50 more dollars you get some great features like Log & Batch Capture, Time Code edit, and better color correction, but to name a few... The edu cost of FCX is 249 and FCP 300.. so it's a no brainer to me for edu buyers..

[JaseInNY]

Wow, FCPE has just been released, I really can't tell what the difference is with FCPE and FCP3 apart from the obvious that it is only DV. Having spent money on all the upgrades over the years from version FCP 1.25, it surprises me that us users of FCP 3 have not seen a release of version 4 alongside with FCE.

What worries me, is Apple on the same route as AVID? Is this a sign they are going to change there strategy? Are they on the way to releasing versions that only production companies, TV stations can afford?
That's what was so amazing about FCP, is the fact it is intergrated for all formats and it is up to the user to upgrade hardware to push it to the max. Avid cost's a fortune to own the top of the line "composer/symphony."

I am worried that I will not be able to afford the expected "amazing" FCP 4. Especially when it is my career/buisness using FCP.

What does this mean for the future release of FCP4? Any ideas? :confused:

[JaseInNY]

Hmmm, there are a lot of things different in FCe, jumped the gun a bit there.
But still, what does apple have in store for us pro users? Hopefully an amazing leap!

Check this out...

Author:_Paul from Apple_(208.34.118.---)
Date:___01-07-03 18:03

Final Cut Express is the perfect solution for DV enthusiasts that are looking for a powerful, affordable DV editing application. Final Cut Pro is the solution for professional editors and advanced videographers/filmmakers.

Some key differences between FCP and FCE:
1. Final Cut Express is DV only (NTSC and PAL frame rates only, no 24fps support).
2. Final Cut Pro supports 3rd party capture cards.
3. Final Cut Pro supports timecode, Final Cut Express does not present timecode information to the user.
4. Final Cut Pro allows you to LOG and capture.
5. Final Cut Pro includes support for RS-422 control.
6. Pro users can use OfflineRT, Express can not.
7. Pro includes three-way color correction and other advanced tools that Express does not.
8. The keyframing model is substantially different in Express. Only Motion tab items can be keyframed. Filters cannot.
9. Final Cut Pro has a Media Manager, Express does not.
10. Final Cut Pro supports EDL I/O.
11. Final Cut Pro can be extended with Cinema Tools.
12. Final Cut Pro includes Audio OMF export.
13. Pro supports Edit To Tape and Insert editing.
14. Pro can do a Batch Export.
15. FXScript is not in Express.
16. AE plug-ins are not in Express.
17. Undo: FCP = 99, FCE = 32

[Wano]

An academic version of FCP 3 sounds better than Express.

[HasanDaddy]

You can't capture footage with Express???

So I guess you would capture with iMovie?

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
You can't capture footage with Express???

So I guess you would capture with iMovie?

You can capture but you can't log

[UnixMac]

Originally posted by Wano
An academic version of FCP 3 sounds better than Express.

Thats exactly what I got and now I feel like I'm stealing, it a damn good deal at $300! Now they need to give away DVDSP for $300 to edu.

[Marvenp]

I find it offensive that you people would be talking about stealing software on this site especially since it has nothing to do with the question being asked. It's a smack in the face to Apple (who has provided us some great software for free) and to us professionals (who actually pay for thier upgrades).

If you are going to steal your software, kindly keep it to yourself!!
:mad:

[UnixMac]

Originally posted by Marvenp
I find it offensive that you people would be talking about stealing software on this site especially since it has nothing to do with the question being asked. It's a smack in the face to Apple (who has provided us some great software for free) and to us professionals (who actually pay for thier upgrades).

If you are going to steal your software, kindly keep it to yourself!!
:mad:

woe, woe Hoss! easy there... Read my post again.. I said "I FEEL LIKE I'M STEALING".... not I am stealing!

I paid $300 for FCP 3 because my wife is a teacher... that is what Apple sells it for and that is what I paid for it... I have stolen no software in the 25 years I've been computing so please calm down and take a Zoloft!

[trebblekicked]

Originally posted by JaseInNY
Hmmm, there are a lot of things different in FCe, jumped the gun a bit there.
But still, what does apple have in store for us pro users? Hopefully an amazing leap!


thanks for the list...makes the decision for anyone who does this for a living a no brainer, and actually makes the argument that Premiere may not be dead afterall. I hope it isnt. i don't use premiere anymore, but it's a great way to get into higher end NLES work. i was worried that this release would ensure no premiere 7 on mac, but it seems like there are plenty of reasons to go premiere over FCE.

[benixau]

traitor.

get FCP. it is nice to use.

in FCP you use it. not learn to use it. FCE is the same deal.

good luck

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by trebblekicked


thanks for the list...makes the decision for anyone who does this for a living a no brainer, and actually makes the argument that Premiere may not be dead afterall. I hope it isnt. i don't use premiere anymore, but it's a great way to get into higher end NLES work. i was worried that this release would ensure no premiere 7 on mac, but it seems like there are plenty of reasons to go premiere over FCE.

Firstly I'll mention, my post is a NO flame zone.

Now, what would you use Premiere for that you could not use FCP for? I have not seen bluescreen in FCP, have I just missed it or is that one big thing to use Premiere for?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by madamimadam

Firstly I'll mention, my post is a NO flame zone.

Now, what would you use Premiere for that you could not use FCP for? I have not seen bluescreen in FCP, have I just missed it or is that one big thing to use Premiere for?

yeah, you've missed it...

it's in the built in fcp effects... KEY-> blue and green screen


it's understandable to miss it, as you don't use fcp... but indeed, it has pretty much anything one could ask for, especially anything that premiere has.

the only real reason i could see using premiere (having used both), is that you're so set with the layout and set up of premiere, that you can't be bothered to learn fcp. but i assure you, there's nothing to "learn". it's all very intuitive.

i'd suggest checking it out if you can.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


yeah, you've missed it...

it's in the built in fcp effects... KEY-> blue and green screen


it's understandable to miss it, as you don't use fcp... but indeed, it has pretty much anything one could ask for, especially anything that premiere has.

the only real reason i could see using premiere (having used both), is that you're so set with the layout and set up of premiere, that you can't be bothered to learn fcp. but i assure you, there's nothing to "learn". it's all very intuitive.

i'd suggest checking it out if you can.

HUH? I use FCP a lot but I have never needed to venture past the basics. In fact, the only reason I saw it worth getting over iMovie is because the movies I was producing in iMovie have out with ****ty quality and because FCP is SO much easier to deal with for someone that can get their head around all the extra dials.

I think FCE is more for me, though.... that is VERY likely to be my next upgrade when FCP/FCE 4 comes out. It will probably be more expensive in the short term to go from FCP to FCE but I am certain that FCE upgrades would be a lot cheaper than FCP upgrades so it is better in the long run.

[UnixMac]

Originally posted by madamimadam


HUH? I use FCP a lot but I have never needed to venture past the basics. In fact, the only reason I saw it worth getting over iMovie is because the movies I was producing in iMovie have out with ****ty quality and because FCP is SO much easier to deal with for someone that can get their head around all the extra dials.

I think FCE is more for me, though.... that is VERY likely to be my next upgrade when FCP/FCE 4 comes out. It will probably be more expensive in the short term to go from FCP to FCE but I am certain that FCE upgrades would be a lot cheaper than FCP upgrades so it is better in the long run.

That's pretty much me.... I am not a "pro", but rather a Prosumer... Im just lucky that my wife is/was a teacher (now home schooler) and can get the full FCP for $300, same as FCX.. otherwise I'd jump on FCX as iMovie is too little control for my taste.

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by UnixMac


woe, woe Hoss! easy there... Read my post again.. I said "I FEEL LIKE I'M STEALING".... not I am stealing!

I paid $300 for FCP 3 because my wife is a teacher... that is what Apple sells it for and that is what I paid for it... I have stolen no software in the 25 years I've been computing so please calm down and take a Zoloft!

I didn't direct the post to anyone in particular; were you feeling guilty? There were people in this thread talking about downloading FCP for free, and since I know (for a fact) Apple doesn't offer such services, it can only be assumed that they were talking about illegally. Apple doesn't even offer trial versions of FCP to get your palette wet; that's what the ('til now) FREE iMovie was for.

Anyway, this thread was started with a question about the new features of FCP4 so let's try to give the guy some info. if any is known. I myself am also interested in what the new upgrade will offer since Apple purchased some amazing video technology last year.

Cool??

[UnixMac]

Originally posted by Marvenp


I didn't direct the post to anyone in particular; were you feeling guilty?


Anyway, this thread was started with a question about the new features of FCP4 so let's try to give the guy some info. if any is known.
Cool??

Marvin,

You seem like a nice enough guy... you're web site is very nice and my wife even thinks your "cute", but you really gotta cut me some slack man! If your gonna get angry at the pirates, name them, but don't post right after me and start going off at people steeling software.

First off, I started this thread.. and where it went is my problem, second, Re-read the posts, I never advocated pirating software, I just made the point that the people steeling FCP3 are not doing anything with it anyway and as such such are not a head ache to Apple(they would never have bought the $999 app to begin with)... Now on the other hand if someone stole Appleworks 6 or OS X, they would be talking revenue from Apple.. as these are not professional programs and are used by anyone and everyone.... get it? Apple legal does.

As for me.... I'll be happy to email you my license for FCP to prove to you I own it... please don't make too many ASSumptions about me, especially when I own 10081 shares of AAPL that I paid $21/ share for and are now sitting at under $14/share .... I care very much about Apple's sales figures.

Thank you and have a good day.

[Sol]

All I know about the next version of FCP4 is that it will be quite a step forward from any of the previous versions. When Apple first released FCP3 I remember reading (on their own site I think) that the main goal of FCP3 was to make a port of the application for OS X. All the great ideas they had for the program were put aside until FCP 3 was out the door. Well, it has been out for a while but we must be patient for the next one - after all this is a big and complicated application that must be right when it gets released.

As for Final Cut Express, I think it is a means of marketing the Final Cut interface to those who might not buy the real deal because of the price. I am not sure where it leaves Premiere but then no-one forced Adobe to embrace the Windows market in the first place. As for Avid, it seems they can hold their own against Apple, considering the timing of the Avid Xpress Free announcement (this is a free but limited DV video editing application that will be available in the middle of the year).

I agree that piracy of software is generally a bad thing but not in all cases. For a lot of people piracy gives them their first introduction to programs that they would never be able to afford, no matter how many burgers they flipped. Later in their lives when they are in a more comfortable financial situation these same people are likely to purchase and use the software they are most familiar with if they are setting up a business or employed in one. Ultimately there is no getting around the fact that buying software gives you access to better support, updates and printed manuals just to name three benefits.

[trisha]

I work on an G5 Imac with Final Cut Express. Is there anyway to import to FCE from DVD? When I put in a DVD it opens with the DVD player.:confused: