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AmbitiousLemon
Mar 4, 2003, 08:56 PM
As many of you know we at AmbitiousLemon.com have been tracking bugs in Mac OS X for a couple of years now. We have been told by sources within Apple that our list has indeed received much attention from the powers that be and we are therefore more dedicated than ever in keeping the list going.

Much of this list was generated by feedback from users here at MR. The list got too long to post in a message here so I started hosting it on my site. (http://66.28.144.79/hints.php?id=17)

Rumors indicate that we might be seeing Mac OS 10.3 before the year is out so we would like to begin looking again at the current state of Mac OS X and ask everyone to take some time to look over the list and see what bugs we have missed and what features they would like to see in Mac OS 10.3.

The list can be found here (http://66.28.144.79/hints.php?id=17) and while you are visiting it take some time to use the provided link to Apple's feedback page to let them know that the items on our list are important to you.



MrMacMan
Mar 4, 2003, 09:20 PM
ah very good.

You mention specific apps.
What about Safari, yes I know it is not apart of the OS but it sure has some issues.

Edit: Better dock customization. Trasparency... or lack there of. Many people have uses haxies to edit things like the image of there dock, the border.
Add a Customize feature.

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 4, 2003, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by MrMacman
ah very good.

You mention specific apps.
What about Safari, yes I know it is not apart of the OS but it sure has some issues.

i think Safari would need its own list. As would iChat, iPhoto, etc.

And in the case of Safari it is a beta app that we do not have access to the latest builds. Not very useful to comment on it unless Apple were more free with the updates.

MrMacMan
Mar 4, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
i think Safari would need its own list. As would iChat, iPhoto, etc.

And in the case of Safari it is a beta app that we do not have access to the latest builds. Not very useful to comment on it unless Apple were more free with the updates.

But we do have the latest builds. :rolleyes:

Or atleast features that aren't changing version-version. Things that are constantly appeare wrong... etc.

I also want any 'haxie' to become a part of 10.3. Like as I said before all the people who used it on their dock or maybe adding CPU monitor to take less CPU and the possibality to put in in your background like everyone is doing.

iJon
Mar 4, 2003, 11:03 PM
very nice of you to be posting requests. at first i couldnt think of any but after reading that i liked some of your ideas. the only two requests i have at the time are these. and you may be able to do these thing, but so far i havent found a way, so help me out guys if im wrong. i would like to be able to right click on a window like a safari windows or folder and tell it to close without maximizing it. i would also like to set certain accounts to check mail every minute, not every account. this gets annoying because we have ineroffice mail and ill get errors at home(duh). can you change that withough just going into the mene and saying just get mail for so and so mailbox.

iJon

Gilgad
Mar 4, 2003, 11:29 PM
For the finder ... the keychain storage of user/pass for smb and webdav servers appears to fail (well actually it is not retrieved) if your username for the server is different to your username on your mac.

:confused:

vniow
Mar 5, 2003, 12:04 AM
Not exactly a bug but I'd like to see minimize in place back and fully supported, when I have a bunch of windows open, the Dock can get rather large if I decide to gain some usable screen space by minimizing everything, the 3rd party haxie is a better solution in clearing up screen space tham windowshading I think.

It's not like it has to be standard, it would be nice if it was an option though, holding down the control button and clicking on the minimize button to make a little mini-window I find incredibly useful.

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 5, 2003, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by MrMacman
But we do have the latest builds. :rolleyes:

actually we DON"T

Chimaera
Mar 5, 2003, 03:15 AM
Spring loaded folder support in the Dock

etoiles
Mar 5, 2003, 09:49 AM
whow, now that speaks volumes...
most of those items are actually feature enhancements, not bugs. I'd like to see the ultimate m$ windows bug tracking list...probably codenamed the 'neverending story'.

When I got home last night and launched my PC (I know), it would not start...system was corrupt ! It worked fine the previous day and I did shut it down properly. Had to re-install the system, and of course, all apps. Windows sucks, OSX rules, but we all know that :D

buseman
Mar 5, 2003, 09:52 AM
- The desktop should automatically refresh, even when it is in the background.

This is what bugs me most about Finder. Whats weird is that it does refresh when I use VPC 6 and apps like ie. Kazaa and sets the desktop folder as the download folder (duh).

cubist
Mar 5, 2003, 10:11 AM
Hey ambitiouslemon, your email doesn't work.

Here was what I was trying to send:

need new category "Networking"

SMB: If you connect to a Windows share, have the volume shown on the desktop, shut down the windows machine, then back on the mac drag the volume to the trash, you get an everlasting beachball.

There are a few other everlasting beachballs in the networking area.

Here is the error I got:
550 5.1.2 <webmaster@ambitiouslemon.com>... Host unknown (Name server: ambitiouslemon.com.ambitiouslemon.com.: host not found)

cubist
Mar 5, 2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by buseman
This is what bugs me most about Finder. Whats weird is that it does refresh when I use VPC 6 and apps like ie. Kazaa and sets the desktop folder as the download folder (duh).

Right! But it doesn't refresh from Software Update, for example, when you tell it to download to desktop (which is what I always do nowadays). It doesn't refresh from many other programs. Other folders don't update either. For example, if you copy a file in Terminal to a folder which is open on the screen.

After all, this is a multithreaded operating system! It ought to refresh.

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 5, 2003, 07:21 PM
iJon: added
- Control/Right-clicking on a minimized window should provide a contextual menu option to close the window.
- Mail preferences should allow the user to set automatic checking per account rather than for all accounts combined.

Gilgad: added
- The keychain storage of user and password for servers should be properly retrieved even when the user name is different from the user's name on the Mac.

Chimaera: already in list

cubist: email fixed (thanks) and added
- Shutting down a computer which currently has a munted share on the user's mac should not result in a 'everlasting beachball.

etoiles: yes many are feature requests, which is why they are in the feature request section rather than the bugs section. It is also why the List is called the Bug and missing feature list.


Thanks for the help. Did anyone take the time to use the Apple feedback form to let them know that the items on the list are important to you?

Rower_CPU
Mar 5, 2003, 07:48 PM
Here's one...

Jaguar's user management features are great but there is one little problem with the Capabilities options under System Prefs>Accounts: as soon as you restrict the applications that a user is allowed to run, Classic will not run AT ALL.

Even if you have selected Classic apps for a user to have access to, Classic will not launch. Since Classic is not an app, you can't enable it in the list of allowed apps.

Frustrating for us in a lab setting...

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 5, 2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Here's one...

Jaguar's user management features are great but there is one little problem with the Capabilities options under System Prefs>Accounts: as soon as you restrict the applications that a user is allowed to run, Classic will not run AT ALL.

Even if you have selected Classic apps for a user to have access to, Classic will not launch. Since Classic is not an app, you can't enable it in the list of allowed apps.

Frustrating for us in a lab setting...

That does seem like quite a big bug. I wasn't quit sure how best to word it — how does this sound?

- When restricting a user's access to a given set of applications via the "Accounts" preference pane, access to classic should not be locked out if the administrator has included classic applications in the list of available applications.

Billicus
Mar 5, 2003, 08:51 PM
I wish Apple would give you the ability to lock the login items in system preferences. It's annoying when an application I launch just randomly puts a startup item in there. It wouldn't be so bad, but this startup item hogs the cpu usage on my old iMac.:rolleyes:

Rower_CPU
Mar 5, 2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
That does seem like quite a big bug. I wasn't quit sure how best to word it — how does this sound?

- When restricting a user's access to a given set of applications via the "Accounts" preference pane, access to classic should not be locked out if the administrator has included classic applications in the list of available applications.

Perfect. :)

mac15
Mar 5, 2003, 09:39 PM
this may have been added but a feature which should have been in 10.0

You can change your password but you can't seem to change your secret question. throuhg system prefs anyways

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 5, 2003, 10:32 PM
Billicus: added
- Add the option to lock login items to prevent third party applications from adding themselves to the login items list without the administrator's approval.

mac15: added
- Add the ability to change the user password hint in the accounts preference pane.

buseman
Mar 6, 2003, 12:40 PM
- Add the ability to change the user password hint in the accounts preference pane.

Eh.. you can do this in 10.2:rolleyes:

Kid Red
Mar 6, 2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by buseman
Eh.. you can do this in 10.2:rolleyes:

Eh, well rolleyes I jsut checked and guess waht. Nope, you can't change the user HINT in the system prefs. Maybe you should read more accurately before throwing the immature rolleyes everywhere.

MrMacMan
Mar 6, 2003, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Kid Red
Eh, well rolleyes I jsut checked and guess waht. Nope, you can't change the user HINT in the system prefs. Maybe you should read more accurately before throwing the immature rolleyes everywhere.

Don't flame. ;)

AL some people have very recent builds but whatever.

And tons of customization to the 'wanted' features.

aafuss1
Mar 6, 2003, 03:04 PM
Wanted in v 10.3 :
Ability to change entire look and feel of os gui by using skins

Why? on pc's you can doe this-macs not realy.
Want: asimple MS paint type app and a simple notepad akin to ckassic macos one.

agreenster
Mar 6, 2003, 03:25 PM
--Open and Save dialogues should allow the same sorting (by name date, size etc.)


This is ENTIRELY frustrating. Good job! Hope it gets fixed REALLY soon...

AmbitiousLemon
Mar 7, 2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by aafuss1
Wanted in v 10.3 :
Ability to change entire look and feel of os gui by using skins

Why? on pc's you can doe this-macs not realy.
Want: asimple MS paint type app and a simple notepad akin to ckassic macos one.

you can skin osx very well and easily, there are many talented theme designers. in fact we host the forums for one of the best at funmac.com

notepad app - try textedit

buseman
Jun 19, 2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Kid Red
Eh, well rolleyes I jsut checked and guess waht. Nope, you can't change the user HINT in the system prefs. Maybe you should read more accurately before throwing the immature rolleyes everywhere.

I just did. You must type in your password first.

[mod. edit - No need for the personal attack.]

Ambrose Chapel
Jun 19, 2003, 09:58 AM
this is a feature request i've sent to apple's feedback page after every 10.x version came out - the choice of making the cursor arrow point the other way, so that if you are using a mouse/trackpad with your left hand it is more natural.

i had an extension that did this back in the system 7 days...

i also want to see the user have some control over dealing with permissions without resorting to terminal, e.g., unable to trash locked files and then being unable to unlock the file...

Freg3000
Jun 19, 2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
iJon: added
- Control/Right-clicking on a minimized window should provide a contextual menu option to close the window.

YES YES YES! Go iJon!

iJon
Jun 19, 2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Freg3000
YES YES YES! Go iJon!
thanks, lol. i saw this on the front page of macrumors so i clicked and it led to his site and it said a special thanks to iJon. didnt know what my name was here but as i kept reading i remember i posted that a long time ago because this is a continuing thread. but yes, that is a feature i would really love ot have and i hope they do it. as well as spring loaded folders from the dock, because i keep my desktop free of any icons whatsoever, so i keep my folders and hard drives in the dock. so it is annoying to hit apple n to bring up my folders everytime.

iJon

zarathustra
Jun 19, 2003, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Kid Red
Eh, well rolleyes I jsut checked and guess waht. Nope, you can't change the user HINT in the system prefs. Maybe you should read more accurately before throwing the immature rolleyes everywhere.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
;)

jxyama
Jun 19, 2003, 12:13 PM
is this thread still "alive"? does the original poster check this? if so...

i'd like to see panther enable the user to set the global finder view. personally, i like the list view. so if put in a cd, open a new folder, etc., i'd like that finder window to come up with the list view. currently, the only thing you can do is change the global setting of windows already set to open in a particular view. any new windows seem to default to the icon view.

also, i'd like the small folder icon at the top of finder windows to act as an actual folder. as of now, it's very difficult to move an object just one directory up unless you are in the column view. if the folder icon at the top actually worked like a folder, it will be easy to move an object up one level even in icon or list view.

i'd like to be able to close minimized windows in the dock with contextual menu (without maximizing) as someone else mentioned. a great idea.

Taft
Jun 19, 2003, 12:17 PM
AL, this is a bug in the Finder that has been driving me nutz!

There is an option in the Finder prefs to force all new Finder windows to open in Column view. This option doesn't work on all newly opened Finder windows. A very clear example of this is when you right click on an application and select "Open package contents." No matter what setting you have chosen, the Contents folder opens in icon view.

Grrrrr....

Taft

Taft
Jun 19, 2003, 12:21 PM
BTW...

In case AL isn't checking this forum, you can send your bug/feature suggestions to him at webmaster@ambitiouslemon.com.

If you go to his site, you can click on a "Contribute" link which will open an email to that address.

Taft