The obligatory 10.4.8 ****ed my Mac thread...

[Gee]

Ok, so I installed 10.4.8 on my MacBook Pro, and a very weird thing has happened. I now can't see my home network. Airport works, and can see other networks in the area, and will connect to another computer via a comp-to-comp network. But my home network has disappeared. What gives?

I can see it and connect to it via my two computers on 10.4.7. I can use Airport Admin from these computers to change the network settings (whcih I've tried). Butu my 10.4.8 MBP just doesn't see it. Any ideas?

I have tried repairing permissions, restarting, shouting at it, and sulking, but none have these have had any effect.

[kettle]

...did you use the combo updater or the little one?
Just wondering, incase a pattern forms.

[Gee]

...did you use the combo updater or the little one?
Just wondering, incase a pattern forms.

I was on 10.4.7 before, and used whatever Software Update provided. Which one was that?

[Eraserhead]

I was on 10.4.7 before, and used whatever Software Update provided. Which one was that?

The little one.

Try downloading the combo update (intel) (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1048comboupdateintel.html) from Apple's website, and check the SHA1 code matches (to make sure the download isn't corrupt) and install again.

[powerbuddy]

I AM SO ********* PISSED. SINCE 10.4.8 -:

1) My macbook has become Aquabook.
2) My dock has started acting weird, the magnification got screwed up!
3) Has anybody facing delayed bootups? Before the update, the grey apple screen used to simply fire up .... and now it takes like forever to come up!

Grrrrr....when is 10.4.9 coming out? :confused: :mad: :rolleyes:

[RedTomato]

I run a powerbook with 10.3.9 and I downloaded the security updates that came out at the same time as 10.4.8, and now I have had 8 kernel panics in the last 24 hours since updating. Previously, I had maybe 1 or 2 per year.

I'm not sure if it's the update, as I just got it back from a repair of the LCD inverter board. Updating was the first thing I did after getting it back from the repair (after checking that the LCD was working fine).

I'd appreciate some advice as at the moment I don't know whether to complain to the repair shop or look at fixing the security updates.

[Gee]

The little one.

Try downloading the combo update (intel) (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1048comboupdateintel.html) from Apple's website, and check the SHA1 code matches (to make sure the download isn't corrupt) and install again.

Done that. no difference - it's weird that my MBP can see other networks, but not my Airport one. Very annoying.

Any other ideas?

[CoMpX]

I'm having problems with it on my Mac mini. While I'm not positive it's 10.4.8 that's causing it, the problem started right after I updated. It's all explained in my thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=238761).

[HughJ]

everything works fine on my imac, except safari is now slowing down, when i got the machine a few days ago, it absolutely flew opening any page, now (and especially on macrumours) it takes bloody ages, what seems to speed it up is if i re-click the link in my address bar, then it will open immediatly

[powerbuddy]

Hmmm...dunno about this one is a problem or an update....but after i pdated my system to 10.4.8.... my "Software Update" icon in the System Prefrences has got a funky look to it. Does everyone have this , or is it only me? :confused:

[CoMpX]

Presenting...dadadada! WildCowboy!

[CorvusCamenarum]

I can thank 10.4.8 for screwing up my network connection. Before the update, everything was flawless. After, the computer is behving as if it's constantly trying to re-establish a connection between the MBP and the Linksys router. Instead of a steady stream, any traffic now comes and goes in "pulses" (judging from the Coconut app in the dock). No more internet radio; after 5 seconds or so it tries to rebuffer the stream and fails horribly.

The airport radar widget goes something like this if I watch it for a few seconds:

"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]
"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]
"Network" channel X [padlock]

etc etc etc.

I don't know how to fix it and I'm not happy.

[iBrad]

Looks like I'm not updating for a while, sorry to hear your problems guys and I hope Apple recognizes this

[semaja2]

Just thought id post again saying 10.4.8 has killed the Insomnia kernel extension this effects:

MultiAlarm
InsomniaX
Sleepless
KisMac

[dornoforpyros]

I've had one little weird qirk with this update, it seems to have messed up my screen savers when using iPhoto folders. The library itself is fine, but whenever I select a iPhoto folder for my screen saver it just pulls images out randomly.

[Eraserhead]

Done that. no difference - it's weird that my MBP can see other networks, but not my Airport one. Very annoying.

Any other ideas?

Try setting up your wireless network again, it might just have lost the password or something, other than that I can't think of anything... Is it actually an airport? or another brand or wireless router?

[smartalic34]

a minor thing I have noticed... on 10.4.7 when I shut my MBP lid, the apple logo illumination turned off as soon as the sleep light came on and the latches clicked... now, it takes a couple seconds for the apple logo to turn off on the lid... not affecting anything, just thought it was interesting

[Gee]

Try setting up your wireless network again, it might just have lost the password or something, other than that I can't think of anything... Is it actually an airport? or another brand or wireless router?

Yep, it's an airport express. I've tried switching off wep, changing the network name, channel, etc., and it still doesn't appear in the MBP airport menu. I'm loath to reset the damn thing because I have two computers on 10.4.7 that are both working fine with it.

Anything I can do to the MBP itself that might help? Short of threatening it...

[vohdoun]

This sounds nasty. I think I'm just going to stay on 10.4.7 as I use internet streams all the time with airport extreme. Though I'm on PPC but I really don't want to end up "What if" and even though I've read lots of colour problems like blue cast's on the Macbook's here.
No way! (It may just be Macbooks or just Intel I do not know but I sure am not willing to take the chance right now). I'm in PS every day for work and don't want it to mess up my colour profiles.

[solvs]

The dev version screwed up my iMac so bad it wouldn't load the OS. Had to reinstall and re-update everything. Worked fine on my friend's and my Mom's new mini. I'm not at home right now, but I'm going to try again with this new one when I get a chance. Weird because I usually don't have issues, but I do have some hacks, so I'll be watching to see what others experience first so I can be prepared.

[ghall]

a minor thing I have noticed... on 10.4.7 when I shut my MBP lid, the apple logo illumination turned off as soon as the sleep light came on and the latches clicked... now, it takes a couple seconds for the apple logo to turn off on the lid... not affecting anything, just thought it was interesting

Same here. Also, my MBP boots up slower. I booted it up for the first time since updating a few minutes ago, and it took noticeably longer.

[iBookG4user]

Same here. Also, my MBP boots up slower. I booted it up for the first time since updating a few minutes ago, and it took noticeably longer.
Apple said that intel macs would take noticably longer on the first boot after installing the update.
After I installed the update I sometimes get the "recovered files" folder in the trash with something like mac"something here".update.plist inside of the folder. I have no clue why though.

[ghall]

Apple said that intel macs would take noticably longer on the first boot after installing the update.
After I installed the update I sometimes get the "recovered files" folder in the trash with something like mac"something here".update.plist inside of the folder. I have no clue why though.

Oh...I thought that meant that it will take a long time to boot after the reboot when installing the update. Well, thanks for clearing that up.

[XIII]

Mine wouldn't connect to the internet, even though it connected to my network.. for maybe 4 hours. Then it just worked...

Also, on first boot, it hung on the grey Apple screen. Second it was slow.. third it was slow......

[Markleshark]

Yer, mine hung for ages on first boot, then restarted, was strange. All seems to be good now tho *Touch wood*

[macridah]

I AM SO ********* PISSED. SINCE 10.4.8 -:

1) My macbook has become Aquabook.
2) My dock has started acting weird, the magnification got screwed up!
3) Has anybody facing delayed bootups? Before the update, the grey apple screen used to simply fire up .... and now it takes like forever to come up!

Grrrrr....when is 10.4.9 coming out? :confused: :mad: :rolleyes:

The first time I restarted, the boot time was slow. So I rebooted again to see if it was always going to be like that or it was a one time thing--it was a one time thing, for me. My bootup time is now fast as usual.

[jsalicru]

Yer, mine hung for ages on first boot, then restarted, was strange. All seems to be good now tho *Touch wood*


Hah, I still can't get mine to boot at all... Silly me doesn't have a backup so I need to figure out a way to salvage things. I have 2000+ songs + 3000+ pics on this damn computer

[solvs]

Hah, I still can't get mine to boot at all... Silly me doesn't have a backup so I need to figure out a way to salvage things. I have 2000+ songs + 3000+ pics on this damn computer
Try rebooting again a couple of times. If it still doesn't work, reinstall from the install CD/DVD. Do an archive and install, but check the option to restore your previous settings. After you're sure you have everything working, check the archived folder it creates to make sure all your stuff got copied over right, then manually d/l the combo update and try again. Make sure all your hacks, if you have any, are disabled.

I think we both had the same issue, either permissions or a corrupted install.

[Gee]

Try setting up your wireless network again, it might just have lost the password or something, other than that I can't think of anything... Is it actually an airport? or another brand or wireless router?

Ok, so I reset the Airport Express, and set it up again, and now it works. Hmm. Annoying.

[jsalicru]

Try rebooting again a couple of times. If it still doesn't work, reinstall from the install CD/DVD. Do an archive and install, but check the option to restore your previous settings. After you're sure you have everything working, check the archived folder it creates to make sure all your stuff got copied over right, then manually d/l the combo update and try again. Make sure all your hacks, if you have any, are disabled.

I think we both had the same issue, either permissions or a corrupted install.


if it really was so easy.

I do a Disk Utility check.. comes up with an error most likely due to Adobe CS2. I try to repair it, it can't.

I've read that all you need to do is erase the files in order to not get that error message.. well, I can't. I can't have access in XP because it says its got errors and then makes the disk read-only.

When you go to install, because of the errors, you can't install.

So now, Im installing the OS on a firewire drive to see if I can get some forward motion. if this doesn't work, Im calling Apple. This is BS. They make an update that seems to be bricking many computers.

I went to CompUSA to swap my USB 2.0 ext HD housing for a firewire one... there was an old couple there with their iMac... bricked by the same update. They had an open claim with Apple.

Oh and about rebooting. I was up til 4am last night trying to get this going... I probably have rebooted about 10-15 times by now. Also, I have no sort of hacks, third party much of anything, etc.

[expergo]

I can thank 10.4.8 for screwing up my network connection. Before the update, everything was flawless. After, the computer is behving as if it's constantly trying to re-establish a connection between the MBP and the Linksys router. Instead of a steady stream, any traffic now comes and goes in "pulses" (judging from the Coconut app in the dock). No more internet radio; after 5 seconds or so it tries to rebuffer the stream and fails horribly.

The airport radar widget goes something like this if I watch it for a few seconds:

"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]
"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]

to

"Network" channel X [padlock]
"Network" channel X [padlock]

etc etc etc.

I don't know how to fix it and I'm not happy.

same thing happened to me. kept connecting for a few seconds then disconnecting. i went to the network preferences and deleted the preferred network. then added it again and it's been working fine ever since.

[CorvusCamenarum]

same thing happened to me. kept connecting for a few seconds then disconnecting. i went to the network preferences and deleted the preferred network. then added it again and it's been working fine ever since.

I just tried that. It didn't work.

EDIT: I can delete the network prefs, re-add them, and so far every time I've done this I've gotten an error message "There was an error connecting to <network>" Try again/OK" when it reconnects. The blinking problem persists. I really wish Apple would get their ducks in a row before releasing new software. I'm not running anything crazy, and everything was working prefectly before I installed the 10.4.8 update.

2nd EDIT: The GF's iMac G5 (running 10.3.9) is unaffected. I've tried resetting the network, but the situation is unchanged. I grow increasingly unhappy in light of not being able to find a fix for this mess.

Anyone know how I can go back to 10.4.7 since that didn't screw over my computer?

[Bud]

I just tried that. It didn't work.

EDIT: I can delete the network prefs, re-add them, and so far every time I've done this I've gotten an error message "There was an error connecting to <network>" Try again/OK" when it reconnects. The blinking problem persists. I really wish Apple would get their ducks in a row before releasing new software. I'm not running anything crazy, and everything was working prefectly before I installed the 10.4.8 update.

2nd EDIT: The GF's iMac G5 (running 10.3.9) is unaffected. I've tried resetting the network, but the situation is unchanged. I grow increasingly unhappy in light of not being able to find a fix for this mess.

Anyone know how I can go back to 10.4.7 since that didn't screw over my computer?
Did you have WPA2 Security enabled? Apple came out with a solution for it. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304482

[benpatient]

updated to 10.4.8 this morning when the software update thing popped up, and after the reboot, i have the weird black empty box you see in the screenshot. it has a nice drop shadow and it follows my mouse around. If it isn't at the edge of the screen, it centers on my mouse. When the mouse gets up close to the screen on all 4 sides, the box bumps up against the edge but won't go any further.

It is very strange. And supremely annoying. it seems to be about 640x480 pixels. I've reduced the image size to be nice...original res 1600x1200

[benpatient]

...and now i feel silly because i figured out the problem. Well, i don't feel silly for the problem (not mine!), but silly because I just posted here and right after that figured it out myself.

Since I'm sure someone else will have this happen (if it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone), I'll post the solution:

Go to System Preferences -> Universal Access
In the "Zoom" heading, even if zoom is turned off (my zoom was turned off), click on the "options" button and see if "show preview rectange" is selected. Somehow or another, 10.4.8 checked that box on all 3 of my user logins. And apparently, even though the "zoom" function was set to "off" the "options" button can affect things like this. The very first place I went when I got the big black box was the Universal Access tab because I thought it seemed like some sort of "find your mouse" feature or something silly like that. But everything was turned off, so I didn't think it could be that...learn something every day.

at least my apple apps aren't blue!

[atticus1178]

updated to 10.4.8 this morning when the software update thing popped up, and after the reboot, i have the weird black empty box you see in the screenshot. it has a nice drop shadow and it follows my mouse around. If it isn't at the edge of the screen, it centers on my mouse. When the mouse gets up close to the screen on all 4 sides, the box bumps up against the edge but won't go any further.

It is very strange. And supremely annoying. it seems to be about 640x480 pixels. I've reduced the image size to be nice...original res 1600x1200

I've had this problem before, this is a preference called Speakable Items, turn it off. That used to happen to my old G5.

System Prefs > Speech > Make sure it is OFF

[Mezzanine224]

My Mac Pro is crashing like crazy after updating to 10.4.8. I'll be dragging something to the trash...*CRASH* "Please Reboot..."

...checking my email....*CRASH* "Please Reboot..."

...editing in FCP...*CRASH* "Please Reboot..."

...letting the computer sit idle...*CRASH* "Please Reboot..."

It really makes those stupid Mac commercials even more unintentionally hilarious. My Mac has crashed more in the last 4 days than my PC did in 4 years. Is there any way to revert back to 10.4.7?

[Mafio]

Before the update, everything was flawless!!! Now I can't connect through airport, I have tried to remove all the keys, airport .plist, and creating a new network… without any luck. Do you have any suggestions guys?

Thanks

[Bud]

Before the update, everything was flawless!!! Now I can't connect through airport, I have tried to remove all the keys, airport .plist, and creating a new network… without any luck. Do you have any suggestions guys?

Thanks

Try here, may or may not help you. They are worth a try tho.
http://www.macfixit.com/index.php

[dopey220]

Originally Posted by powerbuddy
I AM SO ********* PISSED. SINCE 10.4.8 -:

1) My macbook has become Aquabook.

By that, do you mean that your MacBook display seems to have sort of a blueish color cast over it? Because I think I'm having the same problem, though it may just be in my head. Have you fixed it yet? Anyone else have this problem?

[drnick1988]

for once, and im so sorry to yall who are still with issues, but i am completely issue free on this update.
i downloaded the update, rebooted, then rebooted again for good measure, and sure enough, absolutely nothing changed for me. nothing.
frankly im a little disappointed, but thats ok because i have a lot of film editing to do.
i think the common thread with most of the problems though is that they all include Intel based macs, or was that just me noticing the word "intel" a lot.

i have a PowerPC iBook G4.

peace out,
N

[CorvusCamenarum]

If you're having the spotty internet connection problem, don't bother trying to get anything from the iTunes store either. I tried earlier today - my card got charged but I was unable to download anything (error code -50) on every track in the album.

[iBookG4user]

By that, do you mean that your MacBook display seems to have sort of a blueish color cast over it? Because I think I'm having the same problem, though it may just be in my head. Have you fixed it yet? Anyone else have this problem?
Have you tried calibrating the monitor? The update may have put it to a different calibration like "Generic RGB" or something.

[bossass]

I can't get Toast 7 to burn a DVD on my iMac without crashing ever since I upgraded. Don't know if it's related, but it sure is annoying.

[generik]

OSX... because it is so buggy it needs 8 service packs to get it right, unlike Window XP's 2... :rolleyes:

10.4.8 works fine on my machine though

[bousozoku]

Yer, mine hung for ages on first boot, then restarted, was strange. All seems to be good now tho *Touch wood*

It's not really hanging, but Mac OS X has to put the updates to active files into a staging area to be replaced when they are not active. Once they can be replaced safely, it can reboot to make use of them.

I'm assuming that most people who are having trouble have an Intel-based machine. Is anyone with a PowerPC machine having trouble?

[nfcatt]

Hi All,

Sympathise with all of you having troubles and I don't want to upset any of you I promise!!!, but I have had no problems whatsoever with the 10.4.8 update, and in fact on my girlfriend's Macbook the update improved her dial-up stability when using the external USB modem..

Good luck,

Nelson.

[vohdoun]

Is anyone with a PowerPC machine having trouble?

Not so far at least. It was as smooth as silk, internet streaming through Airport Extreme seems smooth as ever if not better. And no blue cast which seems to have been a Macbook/pro problem?

[dopey220]

Have you tried calibrating the monitor? The update may have put it to a different calibration like "Generic RGB" or something.

Yeah, I tried all the other profiles, and none of them seemed to help too much. Like I said, it's very subtle. It very well maybe just all in my head. Still puzzling though.

But my eMac is running fine. :cool:

[SteveG4Cube]

Yeah, I tried all the other profiles, and none of them seemed to help too It very well maybe just all in my head.


Not in your head:

http://www.appledefects.com/?p=116

[dopey220]

Not in your head:

http://www.appledefects.com/?p=116

Excellent! Worked like a charm. The difference was really noticeable after I fixed it. Thanks.

[clintob]

I hate to be the lone voice of dissention in this room full of angry ".8'ers"... BUT...

There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.

I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.

SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.

I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.

Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.

[CorvusCamenarum]

I hate to be the lone voice of dissention in this room full of angry ".8'ers"... BUT...

There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.

I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.

SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.

I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.

Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.

Point well taken. I don't install any weird hacks or anything like that on my computer(s) for that explicit purpose. What I do know is that prior to .8, everything was working perfectly. Then I went and added .8 and now my internet connection is for crap. No internet radio, no iTunes downloads, spotty downloads, and I don't know how to fix it. The problem has even persisted through both a system re-install back to Tiger.4 and a complete resetting of my wireless network. The other computer in the house is my old iMac G5 running Panther.9 and it's not affected, so I can only conclude that the .8 update is the culprit.

[clintob]

Are you using Airport Express or Extreme? I have had similar issues with dropoffs on AP Express networks, and each was fixed through a couple of simple steps - basically it amounted to doing a hard restart on the AEX, trashing the old network, clearing out the preferred networks in the Airport Admin, and then creating a new WEP network. I assume you tried something similar, since you said you reset your network, but that first part (the hard refresh for your router) can sometimes be a big help. That, and of course any firmware updates for the unit.

Hope that helps! Apple tech support is hit or miss with networking issues, but if you call back a few times you'll eventually got someone who knows their stuff and can walk you through it.

[CorvusCamenarum]

Are you using Airport Express or Extreme? I have had similar issues with dropoffs on AP Express networks, and each was fixed through a couple of simple steps - basically it amounted to doing a hard restart on the AEX, trashing the old network, clearing out the preferred networks in the Airport Admin, and then creating a new WEP network. I assume you tried something similar, since you said you reset your network, but that first part (the hard refresh for your router) can sometimes be a big help. That, and of course any firmware updates for the unit.

Hope that helps! Apple tech support is hit or miss with networking issues, but if you call back a few times you'll eventually got someone who knows their stuff and can walk you through it.

It's a Linksys, and it's worked flawlessly up until this point. One of my earlier posts in this thread outlines what's going on with it. And yes, I've done everything you've suggested, but to no avail. I just wish I knew how to resolve this, it's irritating me to no end.

[clintob]

It's a Linksys

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope it works out.

One point worth noting however, is that mixing hardware with networking is always a quirky proposition. This isn't an Apple vs. the World issue either, so I don't mean it to sound that way. Because networking devices STILL aren't regulated the way they should be, each manufacturer uses slightly different technology and setups, Apple included. I have always had better luck matching hardware when networking (ie. if you have a Linksys wireless card for your PC, get a Linksys router; if you have an Apple Airport card in your machine, get an Apple Aiport as your router).

It's not a fool proof plan by any means, but I've found far fewer issues arise this way. The Apple networks I've set up with 3rd party hardware have always been less reliable than those I've set up with Apple hardware. And frankly, I can't complain about this too much because Apple's hardware has generally outperformed the 3rd party stuff for me as well so I don't mind the limitation.

[Gee]

I hate to be the lone voice of dissention in this room full of angry ".8'ers"... BUT...

There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.

I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.

SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.

I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.

Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.


Most of the people here are just standard users for whom 10.4.8 has been less than smooth. We all realise that for many, the upgrade has been fine. That's not the point of the thread. It's for those with problems.

I can see you have tried to give some constructive comments further on down, which is fair enough. But as a general thought, it does kinda grate that, whenever we have one of these threads, there's always more than one post saying 'I've installed it and it's fine so you must all be doing something wrong'. Sometimes I think the implication is 'Apple is infallible, and beyond criticism, so you must be making it up.'

Rant over.
Thanks.

[clintob]

whenever we have one of these threads, there's always more than one post saying 'I've installed it and it's fine so you must all be doing something wrong'. Sometimes I think the implication is 'Apple is infallible, and beyond criticism, so you must be making it up.'

Not at all... quite the contrary. I even made a point to say that wasn't the case, and I can relate as I've had similar problems.

My point, however, was simply that unless the vast majority of those users who are upgrading have had issues, the problem simply has to lie with the user and or the user's machine, and not the upgrade itself. It's just logical.

Of course, there are inconsistencies with downloads, but those issues can be fixed by reinstalling the upgrade in question. If you've tried that and still have the same issues, my point was that instead of searching for issues with the upgrade, you might have more luck search for issues with your personal configuration. A fine line maybe, but it was just an idea... usually has held true for me in the past when I've had troubles of my own.

[ghall]

Wow, sometimes I think I'm the only one who doesn't have any problems. I have a MacBook Pro, and it works fine, I downloaded iTunes 7 with no issues at all (aside from a small thing that was unrelatedto the program itself), and the Mac OS X 4.8 update runs like I didn't even update at all (which may be a good thing, or a bad thing, I'm not sure). Maybe I'm just lucky.:cool:

[Gee]

Wow, sometimes I think I'm the only one who doesn't have any problems. I have a MacBook Pro, and it works fine, I downloaded iTunes 7 with no issues at all (aside from a small thing that was unrelatedto the program itself), and the Mac OS X 4.8 update runs like I didn't even update at all (which may be a good thing, or a bad thing, I'm not sure). Maybe I'm just lucky.:cool:

You're joking, right?

[bousozoku]

Most of the people here are just standard users for whom 10.4.8 has been less than smooth. We all realise that for many, the upgrade has been fine. That's not the point of the thread. It's for those with problems.

I can see you have tried to give some constructive comments further on down, which is fair enough. But as a general thought, it does kinda grate that, whenever we have one of these threads, there's always more than one post saying 'I've installed it and it's fine so you must all be doing something wrong'. Sometimes I think the implication is 'Apple is infallible, and beyond criticism, so you must be making it up.'

Rant over.
Thanks.

Having been on MacRumors for 4 years, I've seen a lot of people scream about Apple being out to get them, only to find out later that they did something that messed up their own machine.

A lot of us know that Apple make a lot of mistakes but not every problem is of their doing. Hacks and customisations have a lot to do with user problems but Intel-based machines generally don't have the problem as much because there aren't Universal Binary versions of all hacks, though I've heard of people installing the PowerPC versions. :eek:

I really hope that Apple get their Intel issues out of the way because it really makes things look much worse than they might actually be. One person can make a lot of noise.

I hope that all of you are able to get your systems where they should be.

[Gee]

Having been on MacRumors for 4 years, I've seen a lot of people scream about Apple being out to get them, only to find out later that they did something that messed up their own machine.

I don't think anyone here is screaming that Apple is out to get them. My point is simple. 1) This thread is mean to be for people for whom 10.4.8 has in some way messed up. 2) A proportion of users will have problems with any given update. 3) To dismiss them all as having some brought it on themselves with 'hacks and customizations' is less than constructive. And 4) Posting that you've installed said update on your own machine and had no issues is also not particularly helpful.

Rant 2 over.
Nothing to see here.

[erikistired]

everything works fine on my imac, except safari is now slowing down, when i got the machine a few days ago, it absolutely flew opening any page, now (and especially on macrumours) it takes bloody ages, what seems to speed it up is if i re-click the link in my address bar, then it will open immediatly

yeah i'm having the same problem in firefox, loading websites is lagging bad and gmail notifier keeps having problems connecting.

[erikistired]

I hate to be the lone voice of dissention in this room full of angry ".8'ers"... BUT...

There were a couple of very minor, and well-documented, OS-level changes in this update, such as the slight change in color cast which I believe I read was intentional (the default settings for .7 were a bit too warm). However, other than those minor things, .8 is a very stable and fairly "bug free" environment.

I have personally installed the update into at least 7 Macs that I can think of, all of varying types (three Powerbooks, two Powermac G5s, one Intel iMac, and one Macbook) and each one has completed without incident. I also know, second hand, of a number of other users who've made the same updrade without incident.

SOO.... that said, it does kind of beg the question: is it the .8 update that causes problems, or is it something users have done to their machines (via changing settings, installing third-party plugins, etc) that's causing the issues.

I don't mean to belittle anyones issues by any means - I know how frustrating it can be. But we should all remember that as a general rule, computers don't make mistakes - people do. And on the rare occasions that there is a genuine bug or issue with an update/app/etc, it's usually fairly universal and fairly well-documented.

Just stirring the pot a bit... sorry.

well, if installing the apple updates is changing settings or installing third party plugins i guess i'm guilty. i got up this morning, checked my email, all was well. os x told me i needed to install updates, so i did. now my browsing is extremely slow and has been since rebooting after the update.

My point, however, was simply that unless the vast majority of those users who are upgrading have had issues, the problem simply has to lie with the user and or the user's machine, and not the upgrade itself. It's just logical.

anyone who has been around computers long enough knows this is simply not the case. a bug can affect a small number of users just as easily as it can a large number of users. the fact that there's at least 3 people in this thread with slow internet problems is enough to eliminate the "it must be the user" theory because i'm willing to be we don't have identical machines and programs installed. i'm not using a linksys router, so that isn't the same either. i do have a g4 powerbook tho, and not an intel based mac.

[Daz]

Sleep now seems broke on my MBP with 10.4.8.

If I close lid, it doesn't always go into sleep :(

I opened my bag about 3 hours after I put my MBP in it yesterday, and it was on fire.. properly hot - not just MBP hot, the entire case was just very hot, hehe.. I lifted lid and it was asking what I wanted to do (Shutdown, Suspend etc..)

I don't trust it - worked everytime on 10.4.7 (a few times it didn't come out of sleep, but it always did go into sleep).

[expergo]

gosh...both my macbook and my gf's is messed up. airport refuses to connect to two different networks (my home and her home). i deleted the pref...reseted...everything. :(

[Daz]

Sleep now seems broke on my MBP with 10.4.8.

If I close lid, it doesn't always go into sleep :(

I opened my bag about 3 hours after I put my MBP in it yesterday, and it was on fire.. properly hot - not just MBP hot, the entire case was just very hot, hehe.. I lifted lid and it was asking what I wanted to do (Shutdown, Suspend etc..)

I don't trust it - worked everytime on 10.4.7 (a few times it didn't come out of sleep, but it always did go into sleep).

Seems a lot better now I've shut it down and restarted it - it's worked everytime up to now? :confused:
Anyway, I'm ok with that, as long as it don't cook everything in my bag all the time! :)

[BryanBowie]

well, i think im just going to hold off on this update, i was on the fence, but, i really dont need any headaches with my new MB

[PuNkErX]

We've had three clients bring their computers in after having issues right after installing 10.4.8.

First two were iMac's that have random reboot / lockup issues. I ran Apple Hardware Test, etc. Could not find anything wrong. I went to software update and both reverted back to 10.4.7. I updated it back to 10.4.8 and they never crashed after that.

The last one is a Powermac G5 with a 30" Apple Cinema Display. He updated to 10.4.8. Then he couldn't use his 30" display. He put a 17" on it and it worked fine. Put the 30 back on and it wouldn't work. So I went over and looked at the version, and it was 10.4.7. So I updated it, then put the display on, and it's worked fine ever since.

Not sure what was going on, but I think something may have been wrong with the update the day of or the day after it was released. But it seems pretty random, cuz I updated the day of the update and everything worked for me.

Who knows, maybe it's just coincidence.

[Mezzanine224]

How can I revert my OSX back to 10.4.7? I'm running boot camp as well, and I'm guessing that seems to be the problem. It was more stable in .4.7.

[sunfast]

I've never had a problem before with a 10.4.X release but I've been royally screwed over by this one.

My airport speeds are ridiculous! The last time I got a decent download speed was when I downloaded this s*dding "update"! I really can't work it out - anything I download tops out at about 5kb/s whereas my flatmates (all on PCs) have no issues at all. The connection is dropped very regularly too. And these issues are on both my G4 and MacBook. Very very frustrating. :mad: