Panther Preview avaliable on the net - problems however! [Archive]

zeethebrain

Jul 17, 2003, 11:21 AM

What i thought was stupid that Panther Preview was only avaliable to those who atteneded the WWDC, if we've paid to get these macs shouldn't we all be able to sample whats to come?

[ Admin Edit: no links to where to download unrelease software ]

However, once downloaded, it comes in 2 .img files (containing the data for the 2 cds) now when you open these and the volumes are mounted on the desktop, you can click 'Install OSX" like you do with a normal OSX Install disc, but just doing it out of the mounted volume doesn't work, and burning the files to disc doesn't work either! Can someone please instruct me on how to solve this, or give it a go! The only outcomes would be nothing, or a nice shiny preview

canuckfan96

Jul 17, 2003, 11:24 AM

i just burned the disk with the "Disk Copy" utility but after i installed it all i am questioning where that utility exactly went in Panther but o well i guess. Anyway just burn the disk image with "Disk Copy" then run the cd just like a regular install

-Vince

zeethebrain

Jul 17, 2003, 11:27 AM

Ironically i never thought of that! I've been using all kinds, Toast, Finder even transferring the files to a pc and using Nero. I'll be back asap with an update.

Pandora

Jul 17, 2003, 12:37 PM

ohoh

you should lock your img-files right after you extract them..because they get modified when you mount them..then burn them with disk copy..should work fine..

buseman

Jul 17, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Pandora
ohoh

you should lock your img-files right after you extract them..because they get modified when you mount them

Thats an urban legend IMO. Except for maybe getting a harmless .DS_store, nothing else gets "modified" if you mount it before burning it.

janey

Jul 17, 2003, 01:32 PM

dude if you didn't know what to do with those two .img files then why on earth do you want to use panther?!
it's a frigging beta, it was only meant for developers and if you really can't figure out how to install it don't use it!

btw panther doesn't have disk copy and toast doesn't work in panther so don't use it to burn cd's

aethier

Jul 17, 2003, 01:46 PM

hoe do you doenload it? when i try i just get some 70kb file

aethier

janey

Jul 17, 2003, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by aethier
hoe do you doenload it? when i try i just get some 70kb file
you better have one hell of a fast connection because panther is about 1gb in size :p

use bittorrent or ask a friend :)

janey

Jul 17, 2003, 01:57 PM

ibookin says:

does the file have a ".torrent" extenstion after the file name? If so, then what you need to do is download a copy of BitTorrent and open the file on that. You'll probably have to download a little less than a GB worth of files.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18286

daveL

Jul 17, 2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by buseman
Thats an urban legend IMO. Except for maybe getting a harmless .DS_store, nothing else gets "modified" if you mount it before burning it.

From personal experience, I have to disagree. If the image file is mounted before you burn it AND it's a bootable image, you'll have problems. If it's not a bootable image, then it's not an issue.

Make sure you do a clean install, not an upgrade install. Upgrades to Jaguar seem to bring out a bunch of bugs.

I've had varying success with third party apps; do not assume they will work. Virtual PC 6 works fine (actually a wee bit snappier), but WindowShadeX doesn't work at all.

BTW, I have a legal set of Developer CDs that received via my ADC Select membership, so please don't flame me about bootlegging Panther.

The GM should be out in mid-September and it's going to be sweet!

Daveman Deluxe

Jul 17, 2003, 03:56 PM

I have a LaCie 120 GB hard disk at work, so I figured I'd back up my Home directory and all of my applications. I'm going to go ahead and try Panther out as a primary OS and see if it seems to work OK with other stuff. If I have to reformat and clean re-install Jaguar, it's not a big deal to me.

Would it be worth it to also copy the Library and System folders from my main hard disk so I don't have to bother with re-downloading software updates and all that? That would basically amount to copying pretty much my entire hard disk.

Does this sound like a good/bad idea to everybody?

daveL

Jul 17, 2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
I have a LaCie 120 GB hard disk at work, so I figured I'd back up my Home directory and all of my applications. I'm going to go ahead and try Panther out as a primary OS and see if it seems to work OK with other stuff. If I have to reformat and clean re-install Jaguar, it's not a big deal to me.

Would it be worth it to also copy the Library and System folders from my main hard disk so I don't have to bother with re-downloading software updates and all that? That would basically amount to copying pretty much my entire hard disk.

Does this sound like a good/bad idea to everybody?
If you have an extra disk, why not just clone your Jaguar install onto the FW drive for backup and install Panther? If you ned Jag, you can boot up the FW drive. If you need to blow Panther away, you can clone your internal disk from the FW backup. There's a decent disk cloner out there, but I forget the name. I know it's here in the forum archives somewhere.

Rower_CPU

Jul 17, 2003, 04:17 PM

Just a reminder, topics like these tread a fine between discussing unreleased/illegal software and how to get it.

Warez/serials discussion is not allowed on these forums.

rainman::|:|

Jul 17, 2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by daveL
If you have an extra disk, why not just clone your Jaguar install onto the FW drive for backup and install Panther? If you ned Jag, you can boot up the FW drive. If you need to blow Panther away, you can clone your internal disk from the FW backup. There's a decent disk cloner out there, but I forget the name. I know it's here in the forum archives somewhere.

CarbonCopyCloner does this.

Seriously tho, you need to consider how long it takes Apple to get their software up to snuff... so this could be a really bad experience for you. There are a few steps where you could damage your data.

That said, I'm looking forward to trying Multiple Graphical Logons myself :)

pnw

beamso

Jul 17, 2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by übergeek
btw panther doesn't have disk copy and toast doesn't work in panther so don't use it to burn cd's [/B]
It's apparently inside Disk Utility now (from memory, I didn't download it)

Daveman Deluxe

Jul 17, 2003, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the info on the disk cloner. I'll do just that.

daveL

Jul 17, 2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by beamso
It's apparently inside Disk Utility now (from memory, I didn't download it)
Actually, some of it is in Disk Utility, the rest is built into Finder (mounting images).

MrMacMan

Jul 17, 2003, 06:20 PM

zeethebrain --- you are a moron there is a mac-only bit-torrent site.

I don't want to post because well MacRumors likes to be clean, private message me if you want.

Originally posted by aethier
hoe do you doenload it? when i try i just get some 70kb file

aethier

Another person who doesn't know what they are talking about -- the file is for BIT-TORRENT, you need THAT to get Panther.

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Just a reminder, topics like these tread a fine between discussing unreleased/illegal software and how to get it.

Warez/serials discussion is not allowed on these forums.
Told you people! You never listen, now after I post this 2 Mods will Come in and post Back2Back like in previously locked thread, It ALWAYS happens like that.

BTW, Rower Panther needs no serials so therefore no problem.

Anyone who doesn't know Bit-Torrent and or how to burn the images should:
a) Smack themselves
b) not install it -- if you don't know how to do those things you don't deserve it and you will totally screw up your comp.

Daveman Deluxe

Jul 17, 2003, 06:27 PM

Rower's got a good point though. I was getting ready to set up the download but I had an opportunity to stop and think about it (I needed to use the can), so I thought about it. I'm doing fine with Jaguar right now, so why bother spending five hours downloading a preview release of Panther? Then I have to deal with my conscience telling me I have illegal stuff on my comp (My conscience speaks VERY loudly), so I decided not to do it. I'll just continue salivating over screenshots like everybody else.

Vivé le Macintosh.

buseman

Jul 17, 2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by daveL
Virtual PC 6 works fine (actually a wee bit snappier)...

hmm... here it always crashes on startup.
6.0.1 - clean install

Nermal

Jul 17, 2003, 06:40 PM

I was going to download Panther from BT, but I stopped and thought about it. I thought about how I totally screwed up my system by installing one of those unreleased Safari betas. I realised that an OS could cause a whole lot more damage than a web browser. Needless to say, I'm waiting (im)patiently for Panther's official release. I heard a rumour saying it was coming out on 16 September? I'm looking forward to network browsing, Samba printing, user switching, and of course, Exposé :)

daveL

Jul 17, 2003, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by buseman
hmm... here it always crashes on startup.
6.0.1 - clean install
Hummm ... I did have problems getting my Win2k image to start, but that turned out to be due to having "saved state" on the image, rather than shutting it down, before I copied it over to panther. Once I shut down the PC image under Jag and copied it back over to Panther, it came up fine.

There was another post yesterday or the day before that also indicated that VPC was running well under Panther.

Did you start with a clean home directory? I've found that old plist files can trip Panther up.

hvfsl

Jul 17, 2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by daveL
From personal experience, I have to disagree. If the image file is mounted before you burn it AND it's a bootable image, you'll have problems. If it's not a bootable image, then it's not an issue.

Make sure you do a clean install, not an upgrade install. Upgrades to Jaguar seem to bring out a bunch of bugs.

I've had varying success with third party apps; do not assume they will work. Virtual PC 6 works fine (actually a wee bit snappier), but WindowShadeX doesn't work at all.

BTW, I have a legal set of Developer CDs that received via my ADC Select membership, so please don't flame me about bootlegging Panther.

The GM should be out in mid-September and it's going to be sweet!

It doesn't really matter if people download Panther because it will expire on 1st Jan 2004. Also the Panther still has a lot of bugs in it so it can't be used to replace 10.1 or 10.2 yet.

IndyGopher

Jul 17, 2003, 08:20 PM

It does matter if people are downloading illegal copies of it, regardless of when it expires, because it's illegal. That's sorta how laws work.. it doesn't matter if you agree with them. By your argument, it is ok to kill you, because you are going to die anyway.

donigian

Jul 17, 2003, 08:58 PM

daveL

Jul 17, 2003, 09:10 PM

MrMacMan

Jul 17, 2003, 11:01 PM

Vlade

Jul 17, 2003, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by zeethebrain
What i thought was stupid that Panther Preview was only avaliable to those who atteneded the WWDC, if we've paid to get these macs shouldn't we all be able to sample whats to come?

Because its in the BETA stages, apple doesn't want everyone to use a half finished product that kernel panics, they want the developers to help finish it, then release a finished version to the public. Plus developers pay thousands of dollars to join the ADC and attend the WWDC convention (speaking of which, does anyone wanna help me out there :p)

AppleMatt

Jul 18, 2003, 11:42 AM

For those who are having troubles...

Originally posted by buseman
Thats an urban legend IMO. Except for maybe getting a harmless .DS_store, nothing else gets "modified" if you mount it before burning it.

Is incorrect. You can lock the images and mount them, which will prevent damage, but what's the point? You're only going to burn them anyway. If you mount without locking and then burn, you'll have useless copies.

Uncompress them using the Terminal or Stuffit. If you use Stuffit go into preferences and de-check the option to mount images once uncompressed.

Then use disk copy to burn the images to CD-RW's (lets protect the environment please), and you're away.

AppleMatt

mlsw

Jul 29, 2003, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by IndyGopher
It does matter if people are downloading illegal copies of it, regardless of when it expires, because it's illegal. That's sorta how laws work.. it doesn't matter if you agree with them. By your argument, it is ok to kill you, because you are going to die anyway.

No, it's a terribly flawed analogy. First, copyright governs the distribution/re-distribution of a work for personal gain. Second, if I kill you, I have infinged upon your rights, I've taken away your /right/ to life. There is no harm in downloading a beta of Panther. I haven't taken Panther from Apple. I haven't taken it from the guy who upped it to me. No one died. No one lost any money. For the most part, the people downloading Panther are student developers who don't get seeds, and couldn't afford to get into WWDC. And I bet that 99% of the people will upgrade to the GM version when it is released.

That's sorta how laws work, they aren't black and white. You apply them on a case by case basis. There is no template for right or wrong, it's up for interpretation.

Effectively explain to me what harm is done by someone downloading a preview beta of Panther.

The only possible outcome that I see, is that a few hundred developers get to make sure their apps are compatible with 10.3. No trade secret argument will work, because the OS was distributed at WWDC, and is seeded to anyone with an ADC membership!

Are you from the RIAA? Lets compare filesharing to murder, yes that's perfect.

alset

Jul 29, 2003, 03:41 AM

I'm just curious how many of the users on MR actually buy Apple software....? I won't say that I've never tried out betas of different products, but I have paid for every major upgrade for the last 12 years. I wonder how many can say the same.

Owning a Mac does not entitle you to free updates when Apple spends millions on R&D.

Dan

AppleMatt

Jul 29, 2003, 07:54 AM

I really don't want this thread to degenerate into this debate again. In my opinion, people who are members of Mac Rumor sites have no place criticising people who have downloaded Apple beta software. Rumors do more damage to Apple that downloading their software (It could be argued that it is better, as more people provide feedback to Apple on bugs/improvements. I'm not saying I belive that, I'm just saying that it could be argued by some).

Originally posted by alset
I'm just curious how many of the users on MR actually buy Apple software....? I won't say that I've never tried out betas of different products, but I have paid for every major upgrade for the last 12 years. I wonder how many can say the same.

Eitherway, to answer your question alset/Dan, I always buy Apple software. I've got a little set aside ready to pre-order Panther aswell. As sad as it sounds, I quite like owning the boxed OS sets, and having the iLife/Keynote boxes all in a row on my shelf etc.

AppleMatt

iJon

Jul 29, 2003, 09:28 AM

the reason apple doesnt seed panther to everyone is because people like you will never learn how to burn them :)

iJon

AppleMatt

Jul 29, 2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by iJon
the reason apple doesnt seed panther to everyone is because people like you will never learn how to burn them.

iJon

Sorry was that directed at me?

AppleMatt

arn

Jul 29, 2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Sorry was that directed at me?

AppleMatt

I think it was directed at the thread starter.

Regarding the Rumors vs Beta thing.

Rumors aren't illegal.
Distributing copyrighted software w/o authorization is illegal.

Arbitrary line drawn by society? Perhaps.

Does pirating Betas hurt companies less than shipping products? Probably.

My Point? I don't know.

arn

gopher

Jul 29, 2003, 11:12 AM

Reading the Panther Preview readme, you won't be able to upgrade Panther Preview to Panther final release without reformatting your hard drive. So if you are going to venture into that domain, be extra careful.

AppleMatt

Jul 29, 2003, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by arn
I think it was directed at the thread starter.

Regarding the Rumors vs Beta thing.

Rumors aren't illegal.
Distributing copyrighted software w/o authorization is illegal.

Arbitrary line drawn by society? Perhaps.

Does pirating Betas hurt companies less than shipping products? Probably.

My Point? I don't know.

arn

It's definately not an easy call, but just so you know, I wasn't knocking this site! And I agree distributing (and downloading?) their beta sw is definately illegal, it was more of an effort to stop the same argument firing up again.

AppleMatt

Schiffi

Jul 29, 2003, 01:05 PM

How does one lock a .dmg?

Also, to burn in Panther open up Disk Utility, click on restore, source = .dmg file, Destination = CD-R/RW. Personally I like the old Disk Copy App. Maybe when panther comes out I could use it from Jag? Could someone test the Jag Disk Copy in Panther?