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ZildjianKX
Sep 23, 2003, 01:18 AM
Thought this would be an interesting thread :)
Off the top of my head:
-Being able to cut and paste files
-Being able to right click on an image and find out its resolution
-Being able to change EVERY folder to either thumbnail view, or detail view all at once... (maybe you can do this in OS X, never figured out how).
Anyone else have any?
Doctor Q
Sep 23, 2003, 01:25 AM
#1: Ability to resize windows from all four corners and all four sides.
ColoJohnBoy
Sep 23, 2003, 02:04 AM
With the exception of the ones you guys mentioned, I can't think of any!
:D:D:D:D:D
ibookin'
Sep 23, 2003, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Doctor Q
#1: Ability to resize windows from all four corners and all four sides.
I'd also like windows to resize smoothly. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I'd like to be able to create a new text file from a right-click (contextual, whatever you want to call it) menu. It's a feature on Windows that I actually used with regularity, and it would be nice to have on the Mac.
ZildjianKX
Sep 23, 2003, 02:14 AM
Yeah, I agree with all of the above.
Most mac users yell and scream that Windows sucks... but there are still some handy interface additions that Apple should "copy."
F/reW/re
Sep 23, 2003, 04:10 AM
Beeing able to edit, cut, paste, delete files from open and save dialog-windows.
Turn of animations and shadows behind menues.
Choose what font to be the systemfont.
View pictures inn full size in Finder.
Right-click a folder and choose "send to zip" (Panther seems to have this feature)
Snappy menues!
Fender2112
Sep 23, 2003, 07:19 AM
I'm hoping that the User Switching in Panther works like it does in Windows. At least to the point that I can leave apps running while someone else logs in. It's really annoying when I have to close my apps and log out just so my wife can check her email.
Another feature I would like to see is the ability to drag windows from anywhere along the border, not just the title bar.
Oh, and the BSoD. I really miss that. :)
I may come up with some others later.
settledown
Sep 23, 2003, 08:50 AM
i had to print something for my mom-in-law on her computer. (she was having trouble)
Anyway XP said "I am printing your document", then said "Your document is done printing". I thought that was very useful.
At work, my iMac is in my office, but the office laser printer is in a common room. It would be nice if my iMac just said, "Done printing your 32 page document"
That way I wont be standing in the copy room waiting for the printer to spit it out.
I know it is trivial, but very helpful to mom-in-laws who can barely turn the computer on, let alone set up/use the printer.
p.s. this feature needs to be able to be turned off.
ZildjianKX
Sep 23, 2003, 09:25 AM
Apple, are you reading this? If they ever need user feedback on what to put into a new OS, this is the place to get it.
Is their an OS X "Startup" Folder to launch shortcuts upon boot? If not, that would be nice as well.
VladDracul
Sep 23, 2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Apple, are you reading this? If they ever need user feedback on what to put into a new OS, this is the place to get it.
Is their an OS X "Startup" Folder to launch shortcuts upon boot? If not, that would be nice as well.
You can do just that by including apps in the "Login Items" section of the System Preferences applet.
ZildjianKX
Sep 23, 2003, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by VladDracul
You can do just that by including apps in the "Login Items" section of the System Preferences applet.
Hey, thanks! :)
rhpenguin
Sep 23, 2003, 11:52 AM
This may be petty, but this is one feature i love about windows nt/2000/xp that no other operating system has. You know how when your connected to a network and there is those network traffic lights in the system tray? Well i really like those and no other os ive used has had them. Sure i can have them when im connected to the net with a modem, but i use broadband... Think about the broadband users!!!!
Daveman Deluxe
Sep 23, 2003, 12:02 PM
I want an add/remove programs control panel, only I want it to remove all traces of the app from my hard disk, including Application Support files and preferences files.
SiliconAddict
Sep 23, 2003, 01:03 PM
What windows features would you like to see implimented in OS X?
The ability to own 95% of the market. :) Seriously.
Other then that I would like to see hibernation mode for laptops. i/PowerBooks have the ability to go to sleep however AFAIK they don't have the save to disk feature Windows has. This has been a very useful method of shutting down the computer. Its a happy medium between a full power off and a suspend.
Chealion
Sep 23, 2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
I want an add/remove programs control panel, only I want it to remove all traces of the app from my hard disk, including Application Support files and preferences files.
The Add/Remove Program control only runs an uninstaller. If developers would include an uninstaller, you won't have to worry, although going to your preference folder or the Application Support folder is nowhere near as hard as editing a registry or deleting files from inside the Windows folder without messing up the system.
FattyMembrane
Sep 23, 2003, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
I want an add/remove programs control panel, only I want it to remove all traces of the app from my hard disk, including Application Support files and preferences files.
programs installed through an osx installer package leave receipts of their contents and can be removed with third party apps, although i do think apple should make this a prefpane.
Powerbook G5
Sep 23, 2003, 02:41 PM
Most of those features are already in OS X if you look for them or you can add through 3rd party utilities. The copy/paste thing and window resizing from all corners will never happen, though, since Apple pretty much abides *strictly* to uniform standards, which the Windows way of handling cut/copy/paste/etc does not. The one thing I'd like without having to get a 3rd party fix is being able to just switch between windows and have the inactive ones automatically hide without having to force hide them. I've found that LiteSwitch X does that, but it's $15.
bousozoku
Sep 23, 2003, 04:19 PM
I'd like to be able do file management from the Navigation Services dialogs just as I do in Windows.
Being able to use themes would be nice without a 3rd party add-on.
I thought the copy and paste for files works fine in Finder. There's just no cut.
MoparShaha
Sep 23, 2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by rhpenguin
This may be petty, but this is one feature i love about windows nt/2000/xp that no other operating system has. You know how when your connected to a network and there is those network traffic lights in the system tray? Well i really like those and no other os ive used has had them. Sure i can have them when im connected to the net with a modem, but i use broadband... Think about the broadband users!!!! Try out MenuMeters (http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/menumeters/), you can have the little flickering lights for network traffic. Very cool, free app.
Phazer80s
Sep 23, 2003, 06:20 PM
In Save boxes, I'd like to be able to click on the name of a previously-created document and have it appear in the Save As field. This would allow overwriting the file if the name remained unmodified or creating a new file with a similar name with littte trouble. This makes it a lot easier to save multiple variants of a file (eg. developmental milestones,) especially if the name is long!*
I'd also like to be able to choose between CANCEL- and SAVE-style options in a dialog box with the keyboard arrows.
*If this isn't a Windows convention I might be remembering my days on the Amiga platform. Excuse me.
EDIT: and themes, darn it!
ZildjianKX
Sep 23, 2003, 07:55 PM
I like being able to double click on the clock in windows and being able to get to a calendar instantly... its a pain in OS X.
neoserver
Sep 23, 2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by bousozoku
[I thought the copy and paste for files works fine in Finder. There's just no cut. [/B]
Can't u cut using cmd-X ?... i'm not on my mac right now but i remember doing that once, and i think it worked...
F/reW/re
Sep 24, 2003, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Phazer80s
I'd also like to be able to choose between CANCEL- and SAVE-style options in a dialog box with the keyboard arrows.
*If this isn't a Windows convention I might be remembering my days on the Amiga platform. Excuse me.
EDIT: and themes, darn it!
Like on windows you can also on Mac (in most apps) tab your way back and forward using the "tab" key and "shift+tab". To choose the selected "space".
F/reW/re
Sep 24, 2003, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Most of those features are already in OS X if you look for them or you can add through 3rd party utilities. The copy/paste thing and window resizing from all corners will never happen, though, since Apple pretty much abides *strictly* to uniform standards, which the Windows way of handling cut/copy/paste/etc does not.
Sure, with 3party utilities you can do anything. You can even make your Windows act like a Mac.
The one thing I'd like without having to get a 3rd party fix is being able to just switch between windows and have the inactive ones automatically hide without having to force hide them. I've found that LiteSwitch X does that, but it's $15.
Just hold down "alt" when you press the new window you want in front. The other window will be auto-hidden then. Just like in OS9.
tduality
Sep 24, 2003, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by MoparShaha
Try out MenuMeters (http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/menumeters/), you can have the little flickering lights for network traffic. Very cool, free app.
I second that. It's so convenient to j see the transfer rates of some download with just a blink.
mmmdreg
Sep 24, 2003, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
-Being able to cut and paste files
I swear you can do that off the top of my head.. well copy/paste at least. Cutting's not really necessary if you can just delete it.
Anyhow, they should have:
*an ftp from the finder that actually works. Windows does it relatively nicely but then again, Windows explorer is nothing but a browser in the first place.
*Also, the finder should load the basic contents and then lag if it must (on servers) as windows does. Right now, it just lags until it has loaded the entire directory contents into the memory or whatever and then proceeds to list them, which is a pain in the arse.
cubist
Sep 24, 2003, 08:15 AM
Resizing from four sides would be good, because sometimes the bottom and/or right is off the screen, and Mac OS X makes it a real pain to resize it. Yes, I know, click the green button. How "intuitive" :-P.
I'd like the ability to change all interface colors, fonts and sizes. Windows has been able to do it since 1995.
ewinemiller
Sep 24, 2003, 08:16 AM
I know some of these have already been mentioned, but here's my top things I miss when on OSX.
- Thumbnail view on folders. I use my Mac as a file server, when I want to search for a particular image I end up flipping over to the PC and browsing it over the network just to get thumbnails. I know I can use Preview to open a bunch at the same time, but it's not as quick as the thumbnails cache and it always displays them in a different order than the disk.
- File Open/Save are really just views into explorer. This is so handy, I can rename, delete, launch, etc. Anything I can do in Explorer, I can do in a File/Open window. I use this constantly, for example, I go to save a file, realize I want to keep a copy of the older one, but want the new one to have the existing name, I rename the old one while still in the File Save dialog and then save the new file with the correct name.
- Resizing windows from any edge. I can't count the number of times I've gotten a window so big that it goes underneath the launch bar and I've had to go into system preferences and move the bar to the side so I could resize the window, total pain in the rear.
- Have it remember open with selections for file extensions automatically. If I use Open With on XP, next time I select a file of that extension, it's already an option, I don't have to reselect the same application each time. I'm sure there is a way to set this up under OSX so that the option I want is there, but it should learn it automatically.
- I like drag and drop in windows with my right mouse because it gives the context menu of what I want to do with the files at the destination. I don't have to remember which hot key causes a copy, which is move.
It's good to see a thread like this here. OSX is not the end all be all of ease of use, there are a lot of very good things Apple could learn from MS and likewise MS could learn from Apple. I'd love to have a view in explorer that behaves like Finders folder and files in the same tree view. I find myself missing that when on the windows side.
Doctor Q
Sep 24, 2003, 12:00 PM
You've got me thinking, ewinemiller. Why are the associations between file extensions and applications treated like a "magic" feature anyway? Using an "Open with..." feature one file at a time is sometimes handy, but there should be a central place to handle file associations too. In particular, there should be an application in the Utilities folder, or a preference pane, called File Associations. In it, you should be able to see the association lists, sorted however you like, showing extensions, applications, and maybe even MIME types and icons, and be able to change the associations as you see fit. In the Finder, when you control-click or get info for an application, you should be able to see its associated extensions or have a quick link to its settings in the File Associations application or preference pane.
MS Windows Explorer has an "Open with..." feature and the View->Options->File Types dialog box, but Apple could clearly do them one better.
tomf87
Sep 24, 2003, 01:30 PM
How about kernel32.sys? Just kidding...
I would like for MS to support muliple remote desktop connections on their RDC. It's a pain to have to kill one just to open another.
By the way, how do you move a file on the mac? All I can get is a copy, which is pain sometimes.
The final thing is a maxmize to screen resolution instead of the green button thing. I really find that green button to be quite annoying.
Raiden
Sep 24, 2003, 01:57 PM
Yeah I really hate the green button.
It hardly ever works properly. Sometimes it just maximizes a window vertically, not even maximizing the horizontal size. Also, its annoying when it maximizes a window so the bottom of the window is behind the dock, and you cant see anything.
The ONE THING I liked about windows is how you can just press the maximize button and the app fills the entire screen. Cause in OSX, the green button NEVER works properly and you constantly have to position and resize the app window manually, when in windows 95 (hell 3.1 too), you could just press the maximize button and BAM! Perfect use of all screen real estate automatically.
This is my BIGGEST AND ONLY gripe with OSX. I hope the fix it soon!!
matthew24
Sep 24, 2003, 02:27 PM
I prefer the taskbar/Start-button in Windows over the Dock in OSX. Why? Because of the clear separation between active and non-active programs and because of very fast switching. The Dock in OSX becomes disordered quite easy. I gave Apple feedback: Create a quick feature to switch between different modes. These are the modes:
1) All programs. (Active on one-, non-Active on the other side.)
2) Active Apps.
3) non-Active Apps.
Anyway I really like OSX very much.;)
Santiago
Sep 24, 2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by ewinemiller
- Have it remember open with selections for file extensions automatically. If I use Open With on XP, next time I select a file of that extension, it's already an option, I don't have to reselect the same application each time. I'm sure there is a way to set this up under OSX so that the option I want is there, but it should learn it automatically.
Select the File
Choose "Get Info"
Open the "Open With" tab
Select the Application you want (This will change it for just that file)
Optionally, click "Change All" (This will change it for all files with that extension and creator code (basically, creator code=icon you see, if you have no idea what a creator code is)), then click "Ok"
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The problem with cutting-and-pasting files is that it doesn't and shouldn't work like all other cutting-and-pasting. Open a text document. Type two words. Select the first and cut. Select the second and cut--the first is now gone forever. Destroying files like that is a bad, bad idea. Popping up a dialog box here is also bad--cutting isn't supposed to bring up dialog boxes.
The Windows solution is to have cut not actually destroy the file and copy it to memory like a real cut, but only to remember that you want to move this file. If you then paste it somewhere else without cutting something else in between, it performs a move. This is abuse of the metaphor. Note, for instance, that if you type a word, copy it, and then delete it, it is still copied. Try this with a file, and you do not have a copy of it in memory.
The correct solution, which NeXT implemented, is to have a shelf. Drag a file to the shelf, and it behaves as a proxy for the original. You can now go elsewhere with the file browser and drag or option-drag the file to move or copy it just like the original. The shelf is sadly missing in OS X, though there are third-party programs, like X-Shelf, that implement such a solution.
Santiago
Sep 24, 2003, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Raiden
Yeah I really hate the green button.
It hardly ever works properly. Sometimes it just maximizes a window vertically, not even maximizing the horizontal size. Also, its annoying when it maximizes a window so the bottom of the window is behind the dock, and you cant see anything.
The ONE THING I liked about windows is how you can just press the maximize button and the app fills the entire screen. Cause in OSX, the green button NEVER works properly and you constantly have to position and resize the app window manually, when in windows 95 (hell 3.1 too), you could just press the maximize button and BAM! Perfect use of all screen real estate automatically.
This is my BIGGEST AND ONLY gripe with OSX. I hope the fix it soon!!
This not a bug, this is a feature. :) On Windows, maximize means "Fill the Screen." On Mac OS, maximize means "Make the window just big enough to display its contents without scrolling." It does precisely what it is supposed to do. There is no need to make the window bigger, as there is no content to go in any possible added space.
The window going behind the Dock is due to bad coding on the part of the application. Applications are supposed to ask the Dock where it is and respect this by not putting windows there.
Hugin777
Sep 24, 2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Santiago
The window going behind the Dock is due to bad coding on the part of the application. Applications are supposed to ask the Dock where it is and respect this by not putting windows there.
Otherwise Option-Cmd-D is your friend :)
Doctor Q
Sep 24, 2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Santiago
The window going behind the Dock is due to bad coding on the part of the application. Applications are supposed to ask the Dock where it is and respect this by not putting windows there. Should the Finder follow this rule? Once upon a time, when I was new to Mac OS X, I moved a window so that the resize handle happened to overlap the dock. I thought the window was on top of the dock, and I tried to resize the window so it didn't overlap. You can guess what happened - I ended up moving an icon off the dock, complete with the poof! effect. Not intuitive or convenient for a beginner.
Hugin777
Sep 24, 2003, 03:10 PM
I've also switched recently, and found much is different under OS X.
For example, in Windows you often go straight to the settings when you have installed a new application. You adjust all the settings to your liking and almost never go in there again.
In OS X the standard settings are often ok, but you (I) go in there regardless. But while using the program the settings are a part of the program. They are not full of useless junk; they are a way to suit the application for your current needs. A good example here is iTunes.
Likewise, when it comes to the Dock, I think you shouldn't think of it as a static thing that you set up when you install OS X and then never touches again. It's extremely easy to add and remove things as you switch between projects. The Dock is your currently (most) used stuff - some of it is running.
So I actually like the Dock a lot. But it's not at all like on Windows. I think it's better.
--
And as to the green button :) Yes, coming from Windows I also wanted to just fill the whole screen with my current application (mostly Safari or Word). But this is just not the Apple way :) The application takes over the menu bar, not the screen... (normally)
mikeyredk
Sep 24, 2003, 03:44 PM
being able to restart every 2-4 hours sometimes i think we don't see enough of the startup screen
alset
Sep 24, 2003, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by settledown
i had to print something for my mom-in-law on her computer. (she was having trouble)
Anyway XP said "I am printing your document", then said "Your document is done printing". I thought that was very useful.
At work, my iMac is in my office, but the office laser printer is in a common room. It would be nice if my iMac just said, "Done printing your 32 page document"
That way I wont be standing in the copy room waiting for the printer to spit it out.
I know it is trivial, but very helpful to mom-in-laws who can barely turn the computer on, let alone set up/use the printer.
p.s. this feature needs to be able to be turned off.
Look at the Print Center in your dock during printing. It shows page numbers of your document.
Dan
wowoah
Sep 24, 2003, 04:45 PM
Did anyone ever mention Windows' Add/Remove Programs control panel? I know that in theory, OS X's way of just being able to drag your program to the trash is better and more intuitive, but realistically and practically, things don't always work that way, and too many of my programs which I've "uninstalled" by dragging to the trash end up leaving little remants all over my computer that are impossible to find. Apple should really consider implementing some kind of more effective uninstall method (albeit something more pretty and Mac-like than an ugly window :P)
And ditto to all those who griped about the maximizing windows, inability to manipulate files through the open/save boxes, and other stuff.
Anyone at Apple listening?
Chealion
Sep 24, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by wowoah
Did anyone ever mention Windows' Add/Remove Programs control panel? I know that in theory, OS X's way of just being able to drag your program to the trash is better and more intuitive, but realistically and practically, things don't always work that way, and too many of my programs which I've "uninstalled" by dragging to the trash end up leaving little remants all over my computer that are impossible to find. Apple should really consider implementing some kind of more effective uninstall method (albeit something more pretty and Mac-like than an ugly window :P)
And ditto to all those who griped about the maximizing windows, inability to manipulate files through the open/save boxes, and other stuff.
Anyone at Apple listening?
We did talk about this... about 7 posts or so in.
gello2424
Sep 24, 2003, 05:02 PM
The window going behind the Dock is due to bad coding on the part of the application. Applications are supposed to ask the Dock where it is and respect this by not putting windows there.
Yeah apps you have to respect the dock!
mozzchops
Sep 24, 2003, 05:13 PM
It would be nice if the app your running only has 1 window open and you click the X is closes the app - I hate it when u gotta quit the app !!!
macguymike
Sep 24, 2003, 05:41 PM
Some of these may have been posted before...
1. Windows-like image/video thumbnailing and previewing within the Finder.
2. Crtl-click on an image to set it as the desktop picture.
3. Better contextual menu support.
4. More games. :D
I think that's about it. I'm sure I'll think of and agree with other ideas here once I read all the posts.
Vector
Sep 24, 2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by mozzchops
It would be nice if the app your running only has 1 window open and you click the X is closes the app - I hate it when u gotta quit the app !!!
What if i had one window opened and wanted to close it and open a new one? Then the app is going to quit and i will have to start it back up or double click the file in order to get to the other file. This would confuse people more as they would wonder why apps were closing without being told to. If you hate having to close the app after closing the last window just pres command-q instead of command-w and it will quit the whole program.
Vector
Sep 24, 2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by macguymike
Some of these may have been posted before...
1. Windows-like image/video thumbnailing and previewing within the Finder.
You can. The finder window has to be set to column view and then once you get to a picture it shows it to you and if you select a movie you can play it in the small preview window it has (you can play quicktime and qtvr compatible files).
Doctor Q
Sep 24, 2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by mozzchops
It would be nice if the app your running only has 1 window open and you click the X is closes the app - I hate it when u gotta quit the app !!! Leaving the application active is correct behavior as far as Apple's guidelines are concerned, and I have argued until I am blue in the face that it is a bad design. The evidence: I have yet to meet a beginner who found this intuitive and it leads to frequent confusion for beginners and casual users. Under virtual memory, the resources to keep the application open aren't really a problem, but the user who clicks the application in the dock (or, under Mac OS 9, selects it in the Application menu) or tries to relaunch it thinks it didn't work. They don't notice that the menu has changed to that application's menu because they are expecting to see a document window.
Apple wrote the rules and Apple's software is pretty consistent about following them. Yes, users can learn Apple's conventions. But I say that if every beginner is confused, it is the O.S.'s fault, not the users'.
Doctor Q
Sep 24, 2003, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by macguymike
4. More games.What could be more fun and exciting than Apple's latest game: Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update? It's the talk of the town and people were "playing" it all day yesterday! Wheeee!
mozzchops
Sep 24, 2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Vector
What if i had one window opened and wanted to close it and open a new one? Then the app is going to quit and i will have to start it back up or double click the file in order to get to the other file. This would confuse people more as they would wonder why apps were closing without being told to. If you hate having to close the app after closing the last window just pres command-q instead of command-w and it will quit the whole program.
Then minimize it and open the new one ;-)
I'm a *nix user so use the keyboard more than the mouse - but its confusing for new users, they sometimes have apps open without a window and open the app again wondering whats wrong...
macguymike
Sep 24, 2003, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Vector
You can. The finder window has to be set to column view and then once you get to a picture it shows it to you and if you select a movie you can play it in the small preview window it has (you can play quicktime and qtvr compatible files).
True, but the preview doesn't work for all files (even images) and I can't resize the image as it's stuck in its column.
Doctor Q
Sep 24, 2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by mozzchops
its confusing for new users, they sometimes have apps open without a window and open the app again wondering whats wrong... Which is why applications like AppleWorks use a panel (or whatever it's called) that appears when there are no files open, with big NEW and OPEN buttons on it. Other applications that have used this method include PowerPoint and FrameMaker. It may look friendly to a beginner, but since only a minority of applications do it, it's actually adding to the confusion when they use "standard" applications like TextEdit that don't do this.
Ironically, the consistency of menu conventions (File, Edit, View, etc.) from one application to the next makes the problem worse, since with no document windows open you will barely notice when you have switched applications.
I've watched users close their last document window and plan to create a new one. I think "noooo, don't click on the desktop" but they do it anyways - it's just an instinct. Then, of course, they can't figure out why their app's File->New choice is missing, because they are back in the Finder.
If Steve Jobs and his staff would just come over to my house, I'm sure we could work out a better system.
Anna
Sep 24, 2003, 07:34 PM
absolutely nothing. OSX has its own unique feel and that is the way it should remain. Apple shouldnt have to copy off mediocre OS's...they set the benchmark
mmmdreg
Sep 24, 2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Raiden
Yeah I really hate the green button.
It hardly ever works properly. Sometimes it just maximizes a window vertically, not even maximizing the horizontal size. Also, its annoying when it maximizes a window so the bottom of the window is behind the dock, and you cant see anything.
You do realise, that it isn't a "maximise" button. It's what Apple calls a "zoom" button and hence does what the programmer has coded it to do. For example, with MSN messenger on PC's, the maximise button makes it take up the wholescreen - rather pointless. On Macs however, it intelligently expands the window just so its long enough to contain all the online contacts.
Safari zooms relatively nicely too, and with me having my dock on the left, it *always* stays next to it, no problem (unlike IE). So anyway, that's the rundown on the "zoom" button and it *is* definitely better than a "maximise" button IMHO.
cubist
Sep 24, 2003, 09:15 PM
The zoom button is OK, but I still want to resize on all four sides.
I have had windows that opened with the caption bar and buttons UNDER THE MENU BAR. That was a real problem; in Mac OS 9 you could grab any edge and MOVE the window. In Mac OS X, you're hosed.
And don't tell me it's the application's responsibility. I'm supposed to call Bill Gates and ask him to move my window so I can resize it? Get real.
Back to the zoom button: Let's see you explain in FIVE (5) words or less what it does. Yeah, right.
mmmdreg
Sep 24, 2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by cubist
The zoom button is OK, but I still want to resize on all four sides.
I have had windows that opened with the caption bar and buttons UNDER THE MENU BAR. That was a real problem; in Mac OS 9 you could grab any edge and MOVE the window. In Mac OS X, you're hosed.
And don't tell me it's the application's responsibility. I'm supposed to call Bill Gates and ask him to move my window so I can resize it? Get real.
Back to the zoom button: Let's see you explain in FIVE (5) words or less what it does. Yeah, right.
5 words or less: intelligent expansion of windows. done.
And OSX shouldn't let a window get behind the menu bar. If it does somehow, if you do something to the window, it usually realises it shouldn't be there and will pop back down. Like.. minimise it then expand it again. Thats a guess.
Doctor Q
Feb 24, 2011, 07:40 PM
At last!
#1: Ability to resize windows from all four corners and all four sides.
Apple today announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/02/24macosx.html) the release of the first developer preview version of Mac OS X Lion (http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/).
Here are some additional features we've learned:
- In 10.7, windows may be resized from all edges and corners, and the resize indicator has been removed.
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