10.2.8 In SWU (Again)

[pilotgi]

A 540 kb update to 10.2.8 is available now via software update.

[themadchemist]

cool deal. I still have 10.1.5.

Just let me know when 10.3.0 is out. That's when I'll be psyched.

[alset]

It appear that if you already installed the former update, this one is only 580k.

Dan

[Fat Tony]

New 10.2.8 out now. Use software update.... or wait if you want ;)

[Veldek]

Damn, you beat me to this...:)

[alset]

If you already updated witht the former this one is only 580k.

Dan

[alset]

Wow, this is the third thread to pop up in five minutes. Are we on it, or what?

Dan

[dswoodley]

Loaded and working...startup time was a bit faster than the old 10.2.8.

[Stella]

I'm not touching this with a barge poll!

[Flowbee]

Um... I think I'll wait a day or 2.

[Ramsos]

Since I'm already running 10.2.8 I might as well update my tibook, hopefully I will get a faster startup.

[dswoodley]

Originally posted by Flowbee
Um... I think I'll wait a day or 2.

Where is your sense of self-suffering?? :p

All of my original speed problems with the first 10.2.8 are resolved, no network issues...still experimenting

[Ambrose Chapel]

i know i'm waiting for the early adopers' reports...hopefully their macs won't go crazy like last time...

[coolbreeze]

*runs software update*
*sees new 10.2.8 there*
*thinks about what a pain it was to go back to 10.2.6 yesterday*
*bites fingernails*
*closes software update*
*vows to no longer be a beta tester*:D

I'll give this one a few minutes. A little scared, ya know?

[crees!]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
i know i'm waiting for the early adopers' reports...hopefully their macs won't go crazy like last time...

I'm with you on this one. Come on people.. update it already and get back to us! :)

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by Flowbee
Um... I think I'll wait a day or 2.

Gee, you took the words right out of my mouth...

But the real catch is that is everyone waits, then there will be no one saying that it isn't any good, so then we all update and it blows up in our faces without any warning. :p

But seriously, I doubt that there's going to be any serious problems this time. However, I always wait before making an upgrade.

[Oirectine]

Okay I am crazy and have installed it (updating from the previous "evil" 10.2.8) and it seems to work fine so far... if I have any problems at all I'll post them post-haste.

[Swift]

Startup zips by now. Loading is faster too. Whoopee. (Though my problems were only minor.:)

[iHambone]

I've loaded it on a iBook 500. I had already done the other 10.2.8 update, and experienced the 1/2 battery time.

This update fixed that, and I'm connecting through the ethernet port, so............seems good.

[kansast]

I had updated my home G4/450 with the first update.. and had no problems, but it did FIX my external firewire drive that would not mount before the update.

I waited to update my G4/450 at work, and installed this new update just now.. all appears to be fine as well.

Again I had no problems with the initial update, nor have I had any problems with this new update. So hard for me to make comparisons..:)

[idea_hamster]

What a bunch of wimps!

What's the matter -- ain't you folks ever tested out a mushroom by eating it?



;)

(FYI -- I'm waiting too....)

[smada]

I just updated from original 10.2.8 on my iMac and currently have no problems, although I didn't have any problems with the original 10.2.8. Im downloading the big 40.6 mb version on to my mom's 10.2.6 iMac as I type. we'll see how it does.

[bennyek]

fixed the battery problems on my PBTi
Battery went from 1:40 up to 2:30
Thanks for fixing your mess apple

[Ramsos]

Well I'm still getting a 6 to 10 second blue screen of life after the osx login window, kinda dissapointing.

[Pipian]

Battery time fixed!! Yippie! It works great on my 800Mhz iBook!

[j33pd0g]

I will still wait for Panther. Even if everything is OK.

[dombi]

Update went well on my TiPB. Everything seems fine, including the battery status.

Thanks Apple!

[lucius]

Hi,

After installing the original 10.2.8 update i noticed, on running xBench, that my CPU was being clocked at 667MHz on my 800MHz TiBook. The situation is the same after running this new patched update. A guy at work with the original 12" Powerbook found his to be running at 500 and something MHz after the update.

Has anyone else tried xBenching their mac to see what it yields?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by themadchemist
cool deal. I still have 10.1.5.

Just let me know when 10.3.0 is out. That's when I'll be psyched.

Have a little faith, will you?

[rainman::|:|]

okay, in the past __years, apple has released one (1) OS update that caused a very small group of people trouble. It's not like they have a history of this, my god, the way some of you talk, every update since 10.0 made people's computers explode or something.

it's just really annoying that some people refuse free OS updates. after they screwed up the first time, don't you think they made damn sure it's not going to happen again?

:rolleyes: to each his own...

pnw

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Stella
I'm not touching this with a barge poll!
A pole, Stella, a pole! No need for a polling station.

[edgar_is_good]

it's windows XP!

No, seriously, but battery life on pismo 400 (two batteries, one old one new) went from 3:22 to 5:10.

[kcmac]

Fast download. Fast restart. (Didn't hang like the first time.)

All's well.

[wes16v]

Originally posted by lucius
Hi,

After installing the original 10.2.8 update i noticed, on running xBench, that my CPU was being clocked at 667MHz on my 800MHz TiBook. The situation is the same after running this new patched update. A guy at work with the original 12" Powerbook found his to be running at 500 and something MHz after the update.

Has anyone else tried xBenching their mac to see what it yields?

xBench 1.1.2 reports my TiPB 1GHz as running at 667. However, the results are in line with other 1.0Ghz TiPBs... Odd.

EDIT: I am running the re-released 10.2.8 (upgraded from the old 10.2.8). Have not checked battery life yet.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by crees!
I'm with you on this one. Come on people.. update it already and get back to us! :)
I updated about 2 hours ago and I am typing on my iBook (unplugged so that I can test battery status, all the while watching A Few Good Men on tv...) and everything is cool, so far.

[charlesc]

I just ran the 580kb update on my PB 12" (rev. a), which had the previous .2.8 update. Reboot was MUCH faster than previous, and my battery meter went from 1:27 left (before update and reboot) to 2:35 after restart..... I think another restart is in order.

[steveh]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
i know i'm waiting for the early adopers' reports...hopefully their macs won't go crazy like last time...

I've been running 10.2.8 on a 1GHz TiBook, 1GB/60GB/Airport.

Worked fine, except for the system reporting 2:15 max battery life, where it used to report 3:45+. In fact, actual time to sleep was closer to 3:30 to 3:45.

Now, it says 4:15; airport on, screen dimmed to 4 bars. Will have to see what actual is.

[bb0ys]

i had the original 10.2.8. battery time sucked and so did boot time. after putting the revised 10.2.8 onto the computer boot time is faster than the old 10.2.8 (don't remember how it was with 10.2.6) and battery time is back to normal. i didn't notice any other problems caused by 10.2.8 and i dont notice anything besides what is mentioned above with the revised 10.2.8. go ahead and upgrade everyone.

[totally_fly]

What a pain it will be to install this if the original 10.2.8 ate up your internet capabilities.

[AmigoMac]

Everything ok and better than ever, I'm not sure if it's just my wish but can see more through the dock... :) nice to get the battery on 3:49 again... 20 mins ago were just 1:49 ... apps run faster, just 1 spring and iTunes is ready... I hope it's not just my wish...;)

[MattG]

Interesting..looks like some of the problems I was having with the defective G5 I sent back were solved with this update:

The computer will now wake from sleep if both an AirPort Extreme card and some kinds of PCI cards are installed.

Bluetooth devices are now available after the computer wakes from sleep.

[GigaWire]

installed on 17" PowerBook and battery life went from 2 hours at full to 8 hours, so i guess this helped.

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by GigaWire
installed on 17" PowerBook and battery life went from 2 hours at full to 8 hours, so i guess this helped.
Now that's what I'M talkin' about!!!:eek:

[Thorben]

finally i'm loading the new...

[brhmac]

Then again, the original 10.2.8 worked fine on my Mac -- a 1998 G3 "Wallstreet" PB.

It's never run faster, better or stronger. I can't believe the startup times -- less than 2 minutes. I rebooted our PC desktop a PIII running @ 450 MHz with Windows XP Professional a few seconds before I rebooted the Mac after updating the 10.2.8 patch.

I was happily working away on my Mac -- a mere 300 MHz -- while the PC was grinding away, booting up, doing whatever it is that PCs do for at least another full minute and more likely closer to 2.

Anyone know what it is that has made 10.2.8 so much faster than previous versions? OS X clearly was not designed with my Mac in mind, but it's made it run so much better.

[reckless_0001]

Is it just me or is Finder window resizing way faster. :) :)

[rog]

Solved my battery issue on my iBook 800. After a full charge, battery would show 2.5 hours, now it shows 4.5 hours. Although, yesterday I used it for an hour unplugged and the remaining time only went down by about 10 minutes, so I don't think my battery was harmed before, just reporting the wrong amount of time left.

[cc bcc]

Where is the G5 update? It's not in Software Update yet.

[manu chao]

Does anybody know what Improves stability when using the "Return to command state" modem string command with an Apple Internal USB Modem (v.92) means and why it is only listed for the G5 version?

I'm asking because my modem internet connection breaks down about on average every half hour. Sometimes it remains stuck at "disconnecting", and I have to kill it (pppd etc.) via the terminal. Occasionally, I even have to restart (pppd not reacting to kill -9), just right know I had a kernel panic after killing pppd (1Ghz Ti-book, 'softmodem', Pismo never had these problems).

[dswoodley]

everything is great on the iMac, but on my 12"pb the battery time is still hovering aound 2 hours (the same as the old 10.2.8).

:mad:

any ideas anyone??

[elliotay]

Why does 10.2.8 hate me so much. So I installed the original release and since then, certain applications WILL NOT run, mail and ichat a/v for example. NOW I'm overjoyed at the chance to possibly fix the problems I've been having. Run software update in system preferences the software update app bounces in the dock a couple times and then disappears. So software update gets added to list of apps that won't run. I tried going to versiontracker and getting it from there. But nope, the link just gives an error. GRRRRRRR I want my computer to be better. and I really don't want to take the time to reinstall. I only have the 10.2 update discs so I'd have to go from 10.0.3 to 10.1 to 10.2 and that sounds like an ALL day task I don't want to do, but it's looking more and more like I'd have to do that if I want the problems fixed.

[cc bcc]

OK, you can find the G5 version here. (http://download.info.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/061-0772.20030930.bAza5/2Z/MacOSXUpdate10.2.8_G5.dmg)

[jcgerm]

On my 15" 1.25 GHz Albook, the battery time jumped from 2 hrs to 3+ hours.

[sugarprobe]

Sweet!

Thanx a bunch. Has anyone tried it yet?

[cc bcc]

Originally posted by sugarprobe
Sweet!

Thanx a bunch. Has anyone tried it yet?
I have just rebooted. It seems to work fine, no problems yet. I don't notice any speedups, but it was damn fast already. :D

edit: Finder window resizing now feels like 300 fps! I don't remember it to be that fast!

edit2: The annoying high frequency beeps seem to be gone too. Notice that after a reboot, the hardware prefpane from the apple CHUD tools resets. You have to manually turn off cpu NAPping after each reboot. But now, without turning it of the high pitched noises seem to be gone. :)

[beerguy]

I'm 2.5 hours into a battery that never gave me more than 1:55 before and it says I've got 24 minutes left.

WooHoo

[gopher]

Originally posted by Ramsos
Well I'm still getting a 6 to 10 second blue screen of life after the osx login window, kinda dissapointing.

Blue screen an officially recognized Apple startup issue:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106464

[alirio]

Originally posted by jcgerm
On my 15" 1.25 GHz Albook, the battery time jumped from 2 hrs to 3+ hours.

Anyone else have similar results?

I'm one of those people waiting for his new AluBook to ship and wincing at the reports of low battery life.

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
okay, in the past __years, apple has released one (1) OS update that caused a very small group of people trouble. It's not like they have a history of this, my god, the way some of you talk, every update since 10.0 made people's computers explode or something.

it's just really annoying that some people refuse free OS updates. after they screwed up the first time, don't you think they made damn sure it's not going to happen again?

:rolleyes: to each his own...

pnw

For the record, Apple's record hasn't been as stellar as you seem to think. I've used a number of professional applications that have had some functionality killed when these minor updates are released. Then the engineers have to scramble to put together a downloadable patch to fix what Apple broke, or simply tell their customers if they need the broken functionality then they have to downgrade their OS (depending on which company we're talking about). In my estimation, this has happened roughly every second or third update requires this kind of caution for fear of something being broken. And, at some level, it is Apple's fault for, if nothing else, not providing better support for some major developers.

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by manu chao
Does anybody know what means and why it is only listed for the G5 version?

I'm asking because my modem internet connection breaks down about on average every half hour. Sometimes it remains stuck at "disconnecting", and I have to kill it (pppd etc.) via the terminal. Occasionally, I even have to restart (pppd not reacting to kill -9), just right know I had a kernel panic after killing pppd (1Ghz Ti-book, 'softmodem', Pismo never had these problems).

You know, I was having similar problems in my old iBook600. I sent it in to Apple and they replaced the modem. Something to consider...

[Marlon_JBT]

Well, I've downloaded, installed, and now, it's asking me to restart... wish me luck...

::::Crosses fingers::::

[sugarprobe]

CC BCC

I have been wondering about the chud situation. Do you think it's a good idea to use it to stop those chirping sounds? Just currious as to if it is hard on the CPU?

[Marlon_JBT]

10.2.8 Rev. 2 is like night and day compared to the first release! They fixed much more than they said! My battery meter tells me the entire truth now, all programs work, my icons are back, startup is as speedy as ever, Finder shows me my files when I ask it to... it's like a whole new computer!!!

Even ethernet is reliable now!

Apple has made me happy again!

[cc bcc]

Originally posted by sugarprobe
CC BCC

I have been wondering about the chud situation. Do you think it's a good idea to use it to stop those chirping sounds? Just currious as to if it is hard on the CPU?
I used it and I don't see any problems. NAP is different from the Slewing in Energy Saver but to what extend I'm not sure. But I can't believe IBM using a function on a CPU that might possibly damage it, they must have tested it throughout. So I don't expect it to be hard on the CPU, on or off, sounds or no sounds. But the good news (at least so far) is that 10.2.8 solves the problem and the CHUD tools are no longer necessary.
I know that if the sounds come back, I'll disable the NAP option right away, and I'll hold Apple responsible if anything goes wrong. ;)

[coolsoldier]

I just updated on my 800MHz iBook, and it shows me 5:58 battery time remaining instead of 0:38.

6 Hours of Battery Life :eek:
I would be overjoyed if I believed it :D

[sugarprobe]

Well I did the update on my 4 hour old daul G5 with a bad feeling, but all seems well so far. The chirping noises still seem to be there though.

Edit: I did a shut down and restart. Now the boot time is about 16 secs as appose to my first restart of 26 secs. Gotta like that, but much to my dissmay the chirps are still there. Nothing to freak out about. Maybe I will try the chud tool.

[applekid]

Say I were to update a 10.2.3 iBook to 10.2.8, can I dodge the battery bug?

[cc bcc]

Originally posted by sugarprobe
Well I did the update on my 4 hour old daul G5 with a bad feeling, but all seems well so far. The chirping noises still seem to be there though.

Edit: I did a shut down and restart. Now the boot time is about 16 secs as appose to my first restart of 26 secs. Gotta like that, but much to my dissmay the chirps are still there. Nothing to freak out about. Maybe I will try the chud tool.
Hmm, I'm sure the sounds have disappeared for me. My boottime has decreased as well! (I almost never reboot but hey bragging rights are important. Come to think of it, I have a G5 1.8 without the chirps, you have a dual G5 with chirps.. Wanna swap? :D )

[mistersquid]

I don't know why everyone is so afraid of this update. I updated to 10.2.8 the first time and haven't had a single hitch. So when Software Update notifed me a new 10.2.8 was available I downloaded it and installed it immediately. It's working like a charm. I really don't know what the all fuss is about. This update is rock-solid just like the last one and people need to stop wh

NO CARRIER

[sugarprobe]

Just installed CHUD and the noises are gone. Thinking maybe I'll turn nap on when I am not using it.

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by manu chao
Does anybody know what means and why it is only listed for the G5 version?

I'm asking because my modem internet connection breaks down about on average every half hour. Sometimes it remains stuck at "disconnecting", and I have to kill it (pppd etc.) via the terminal. Occasionally, I even have to restart (pppd not reacting to kill -9), just right know I had a kernel panic after killing pppd (1Ghz Ti-book, 'softmodem', Pismo never had these problems).

Because it sounds like it only pertains to the particular type of modem that is in the G5s only (Apple Internal USB Modem (v.92)). That begs another question...do the G5s have an internal USB modem? I've never heard of that before.

[Toeknee]

just installed the update and the battery meter jumped to 4 hours (of course this was on the super energy saver settings.. screen dimmed to the max) this is a good update, no matter what the other people say.

[charlesc]

One more update from a PB 12" (rev. a). After restarting multiple times since todays 580kb update the system over-all does seem faster. Boot time is faster (10.2.8 rev. a slowed startup time, as well as the over-all system responce). I'm also getting much better battery life. .2.8 seemed to increase my battery life by 15-20, but todays update for some reason has added a good 20-30 min of battery life. I ran it dead earlier and got a good 2 hours on 'highest performance' with the brightness up 1/2 way while just running safari/mail/photoshop. I wouldn't get a minute over 1h 30m before todays update. I'm now showing 3:12 left on the meter after running 20 minutes at the same settings. very cool. I'm going to run the battery dead again and get a real feel for the time again.

Also updated my jan. 2002 dual 1ghz quicksilver and it starts much faster as well as the sytem seems a bit faster over all.

Also xbench 1.1.2 showed my PB running at 500mhz! It did report accurately on my dual 1ghz quicksilver though. The PB was set at 'highest performance' with the power plugged in, and no other programs running.

[zuggerat]

yay everything is working again!!!!...im getting like 5 hours of battery life and 4 and lil bit when i start to use itunes and stuff...fans arent blasting...this is great...thanx apple...

ps yeah i did notice a quick start up. =)

[sopheapsem]

This new build of 10.28 did NOT fix a couple of problems from the initial release.

1) Running a gestalt 'pclk' on my tibook 1GHZ will incorrectly report the machine as a 667MHZ. Running XBench from within 10.28 will also report the machine as 667MHZ clock speed, and going to the XBench forums, there are several users reporting incorrect clock speeds after updating to 10.28. May be only related to specific machines, but...

2) After waking my powerbook from sleep, my Apple Studio Monitor, which is hooked up to my Tibook as an external monitor, forgets its resolution settings and I need to select Detect Displays to get the proper resolution again. This seems to be a fairly common problem--I can't understand why Apple didn't address this one. Also, probably only related to specific machines.

[gopher]

Originally posted by sopheapsem
This new build of 10.28 did NOT fix a couple of problems from the initial release.

1) Running a gestalt 'pclk' on my tibook 1GHZ will incorrectly report the machine as a 667MHZ. Running XBench from within 10.28 will also report the machine as 667MHZ clock speed, and going to the XBench forums, there are several users reporting incorrect clock speeds after updating to 10.28. May be only related to specific machines, but...

2) After waking my powerbook from sleep, my Apple Studio Monitor, which is hooked up to my Tibook as an external monitor, forgets its resolution settings and I need to select Detect Displays to get the proper resolution again. This seems to be a fairly common problem--I can't understand why Apple didn't address this one. Also, probably only related to specific machines.

I hope you reported this to

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback

This will help them with their next update.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Lancetx
Because it sounds like it only pertains to the particular type of modem that is in the G5s only (Apple Internal USB Modem (v.92)). That begs another question...do the G5s have an internal USB modem? I've never heard of that before.

Don't know why not. Internal USB isn't any different from any other internal connection.

Macs used to have internal FireWire for an internal FireWire hard drive. But that never caught on.

Originally posted by alirio
Anyone else have similar results?

I'm one of those people waiting for his new AluBook to ship and wincing at the reports of low battery life.

As long as you dim your screen while working off the battery you'll be fine. And turn off Bluetooth and AirPort when you're not using them.

Personally, I think I got an extra hour of battery life, and it calculates battery life faster too. I just drained my battery to recalibrate, so I'll see how much battery life I actually have.

Startup time is a bit faster too :)

[beerguy]

I picked up about 45 minutes of actual runtime after the new upgrade. Battery life is still not what I was expecting based on the 4+ hours Apple was boasting, but it's better.

To be perfectly honest, it still lasts longer then the HP 900mhz Athlon that it replaced (and is about 2 lbs lighter) so I'm still happy.

Hopefully Panther will add a little more runtime as well.

[cb911]

so it was only an update needed to sort out the low battery life problems? that sounds good. so now we know that Apple wasn't stupid putting a 43-Watt battery in the new PB's. :p

i'm installin the update. forget about other problems, i want my battery life back! :D

[Genie]

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
Should I install this new 10.2.8 in my G5 or wait for problems to be sorted out?

I noticed software update didn't list it yet.

[beerguy]

Originally posted by cb911
so now we know that Apple wasn't stupid putting a 43-Watt battery in the new PB's. :p



Let's not jump to conclusions....

[sugarprobe]

HI there

Did the update for my dual g5 and shaved about 10 secs off the start up time. Also the resizing of windows seems faster and smoother. I also installed the CHUD software to get rid of the chirping nopises. Everything is running smooth.

[hobbes3113]

Downloading now...

Wow that was fast. Hopefully everything works...

[alset]

Wow, once all the threads about 10.2.8 were consolidated it looks like I keep posting redundant messages to this one. Heh heh.

Dan

[robbents99]

Anyone with battery problems download the patch, i'm at 54% and rising and it says it'll take another 1:18 to get back up to full power. Woo hoo!

Rock and roll and download. 'Nuff said.

[legacyb4]

Agreed.

New Powerbook 12, fresh install of OS off the restore DVD, and one calibration gave me about 2:20 just prior to running the update.

After running the update on battery power and rebooting, wired Ethernet, iTunes piping classical through radio, Yahoo Messenger on, and surfing, my battery now reads 3:10.

I think I will run this down and recalibrate one more time for good measure.

Cheers.


Originally posted by robbents99
Anyone with battery problems download the patch, i'm at 54% and rising and it says it'll take another 1:18 to get back up to full power. Woo hoo!

Rock and roll and download. 'Nuff said.

[WackyM]

When I installed the first 10.2.8 on my 1 GHz TiBook, the only problems I had was the *extremely* slow initial startup. After that, everything was okay, except for some slowness in a few apps, and the screwed up battery meter.

I just installed the new update and it definitely feels snappier and the startup seems much faster. Also, my battery life is back up! From about 2 hours and now to 4.5! Woohoo!

[alirio]

Just installed and rebooted on my PowerMac G4 400 MHz.

It has shaved 20 seconds of my boot time
down to 1:20 :)

[maclov]

Applied the reposted 10.2.8 update atop a 10.2.7 running on a PB 1.25Ghz.

Here is what happened:

Boot up immediately after installation appeared a tad slower.

Ethernet worked flawlessly-I'm on a LAN connection to the internet.

Windows appeared to draw faster

Repaired permissions and rebooted.

Boot sequence was noticeably faster than with 10.2.7

Continued working for the next 10-15 minutes, when I suddenly lost my cursor. I have an Apple optical mouse connected through one of the USB ports. Tried the track pad, same result. The cursor just disappeared.

Forced a reboot. The cursor returned and has been there since (20-25 minutes). Possibly unrelated to the install.

No other issues.

[alset]

The original update killed my external FW burner. This one did not bring it back. I'd worry about it more if I didn't have an internal, but it's still a pain because the FW is much faster.

Dan

[Doctor Q]

Eh, so what if installing an update without waiting for others to try it first is a huge risk to my computer and my sanity. It's worth installing ASAP in order to get a jump on the competition in the uptimes thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19070).

[sososowhat]

Originally posted by Genie
http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
Should I install this new 10.2.8 in my G5 or wait for problems to be sorted out?

I noticed software update didn't list it yet.

Unless you need to use any of the newly supported hardware, or are having any of the bluetooth or wakeup issues...if your G5 system is now working I don't see any good reason to "upgrade" it. My G5 is happily running 10.2.7 and will till it runs 10.3.

[edenwaith]

Originally posted by cc bcc
Where is the G5 update? It's not in Software Update yet.

-- I talk to planets, baby --

Do you talk to planets, cc bcc? Have you met my little friend, Ego the Living Planet? :)

Anyway, it sounds like that this new patch is doing well. I'll probably be without internet for the next few days anyways, so if it kills something again, I won't have to worry about it too much just yet.

[blueflame]

my aluBook 1ghz was fresh startig with 1:17 for battery, now it fresh starts a 2:24, this is at full setting, nothing toned down. I was really worried about my batery life
Andreas

[Doctor Q]

I'd love to see a technical writeup of what they changed to make booting so much faster!

[fraeone]

Originally posted by Genie
http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg
Should I install this new 10.2.8 in my G5 or wait for problems to be sorted out?

You could wait to see if there are any problems if you want. As far as i can tell no one is reporting any new problems that would need 'sorting out'

fraeone

[crees!]

Originally posted by blueflame
my aluBook 1ghz was fresh startig with 1:17 for battery, now it fresh starts a 2:24, this is at full setting, nothing toned down. I was really worried about my batery life
Andreas

Before updating mine was around 1:30 then it doubled to 3 hours. I about flipped a lid when it said I had 5:18, then 7:56, then 5:18, ... 4:00 then it settled around 3 hours or so. I guess it was just calibrating itself. I wouldn't mind doing a full drain to test it.

[j33pd0g]

OK. I did it. I updated my 1.25 DP G4. Nice. No problems. Restart took 77 seconds. It used to just under 30. I'll try restarting again later. So far so good. Much more responsive.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by cc bcc
Notice that after a reboot, the hardware prefpane from the apple CHUD tools resets. You have to manually turn off cpu NAPping after each reboot. But now, without turning it of the high pitched noises seem to be gone. :)

Have you tried repairing file permissions?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by applekid
Say I were to update a 10.2.3 iBook to 10.2.8, can I dodge the battery bug?
Yes. You'll get the new-and-improved 10.2.8 without the battery issue.
It might be too early to tell, but it definitely feels like the final Jaguar version to me.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by maclov
Continued working for the next 10-15 minutes, when I suddenly lost my cursor. I have an Apple optical mouse connected through one of the USB ports. Tried the track pad, same result. The cursor just disappeared.

Forced a reboot. The cursor returned and has been there since (20-25 minutes). Possibly unrelated to the install.

No other issues.
I have experienced that disappearing cursor problem at my office, but I never seem to be able to replicate it. It just happens, out of the blue, once in the while. Any idea? (At my office we run Dual G4 in multiple screen configs with the help of Radeon7000PCI cards)

[inkswamp]

I had to do a fresh install of OS X (due to some service repairs that needed to be done last week) so when I went on tonight and found that the new 10.2.8 was out, I installed it right away. Bad move. It killed my iMac. The machine would simply not boot. It would get to the boot screen and just die on "waiting for Directory Services." So I had to reinstall 10.2 yet again.

The ironic thing is that the first 10.2.8 (i.e., the "broken" one) worked fine when I installed it.

Apple botched it again. This blows.

[NuMan]

Installed the 10.2.8 after going back to 10.2.6 and it is great. Everything works fine. My time went from 1.52 hrs to 4.19 immediately upon restart. Repaired permissions before and after updating, and all is stable and fine.

[j33pd0g]

Apple should have all updates prompt for repair permissions. Before and after.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by inkswamp
I had to do a fresh install of OS X (due to some service repairs that needed to be done last week) so when I went on tonight and found that the new 10.2.8 was out, I installed it right away. Bad move. It killed my iMac. The machine would simply not boot. It would get to the boot screen and just die on "waiting for Directory Services." So I had to reinstall 10.2 yet again.

The ironic thing is that the first 10.2.8 (i.e., the "broken" one) worked fine when I installed it.

Apple botched it again. This blows.
Wow you are the first person to experience a nightmare with this one. Like someone else said, Apple should force permissions to be repaired before and after applying an update. Until then, people should try and do it themselves (I know it's no consolation but that's the only thing I could come up with...)

[iBot]

10.2.8 has made my Fallout RPG unplayable on my ibook 600mhz. The cursor is now jerky and unresponsive and the animation is unacceptably choppy. Under 10.2.6, the game worked perfectly. I'm guessing Fallout 2 is also incompatible with this problematic OS update.

Anyone know how to uninstall 10.2.8? Anyone else having trouble with games?

[inkswamp]

Originally posted by NicoMan
Like someone else said, Apple should force permissions to be repaired before and after applying an update. Until then, people should try and do it themselves (I know it's no consolation but that's the only thing I could come up with...)

I didn't want to make a massive post out of it, but yes, I did repair permissions and disk repair (from the installer disk) and ran fsck in single-user mode. Neither helped.

I'm going to try the update again tomorrow, but at this point it looks like Apple addressed some issues and left others alone. :(

[cc bcc]

Originally posted by edenwaith
Do you talk to planets, cc bcc? Have you met my little friend, Ego the Living Planet? :)
:D

[cc bcc]

Originally posted by NicoMan
Have you tried repairing file permissions?
Why? It's a know issue.

[daddy-mojo]

I normally always wait at least a day or so before running any OS update in an effort to avoid what happened with the "evil" 10.2.8 update. So, today, after reading a lot of posts felt pretty good about running this update on my 17" 1ghz iMac. I keep my system pretty pure. No haxies. Repair permission regulary. Just ran Disk Warrior a few days ago etc. I take care of my system and very rarely have problems. I believe in preventative maintenace. Anyways, repaired permissions before beginning. I installed the update through the software update and it downloaded and installed pretty quickly. Half way through it seemed to pause for a bit, then shoot right to the end. Then during the optimizing part I think my screen saver tried to kick in or something, but my display went dark, not off, but as if the screen saver was about to run but didn't. But it wouldn't kick my screen back on. Nothing, no mouse, keyboard etc. So I had to force shutdown the system. It now took well over 2 minutes to boot, almost twice the time as normal. Also, it switched my color depth to thousands. And it doesn't seem any zippier, seems clunkier actually. Disk first aid is repairing a huge amount of permissions. I just downloaded the combo updater and will do it all again. I never installed the previous 10.2.8 update. Will report back shortly.

:confused:

[daddy-mojo]

wow what a difference a combo updater makes. boot time just under a minute. everything seems to be responding like it should. Repairing permissions again, not as many so far. Only odd thing so far was my bluetooth menu bar icon showed up on the far right side after the clock.

:rolleyes:

[ggrund]

Is this also an update for the new G5. I know that somebody has posted a link to the update but its not showing on the software update. Would Apple not make it available on the Software update if it would also be for the G5?

[.a]

i wanted to update my ibook 800. but when i turned the ibook on and started up 10.2.6 the screen did not work (it looks like it hangs at the lowest brightness, the machine seems to work just fine tough).
it looks like may ibook screen died before i could install 10.2.8 :(
i had screen problems with my old pb ti 400, too. i'm getting sick of it.
anybody with ibook screen problems (it seems to be a hardware failure and has nothing to do with the os update)?
.a

[cc bcc]

Oh no the high pitched noises have returned.. I updated my G5 to 10.2.8(G5) and I thought the noises had disappeared but no.. So back to CHUD and NAPping, that solved it. :(

[maclov]

Originally posted by NicoMan
I have experienced that disappearing cursor problem at my office, but I never seem to be able to replicate it. It just happens, out of the blue, once in the while. Any idea? (At my office we run Dual G4 in multiple screen configs with the help of Radeon7000PCI cards)

After that first incident of the disappearing cursor I've not had it recur, leading me to believe that the timing was coincidental and probably had nothing to do with the install.

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by ggrund
Is this also an update for the new G5. I know that somebody has posted a link to the update but its not showing on the software update. Would Apple not make it available on the Software update if it would also be for the G5?

Have you gone to Apple?
http://www.info.apple.com/support/downloads.html

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120248

Mac OS X Update (G5) v.102.8 (G5) : Information and Download

Download Requirements
Operating System
Mac OS X 10.2.7 (G5)
=-=
JJ

[bt9]

My battery life went from 2 hours max, to around 4 1\2!!

I spent 4 hours on Cubase with reduced processor on, and low brightness, but Cubase had 14 audio tracks. And i used Reason a bit too, and The laptop is till going!

I could probably squeeze out 5 hours if i was just using word.

(12" PB old model)

[Chris Marks]

I just installed the CHUD app on my Dual 2 G5 and unchecked the Power: "Nap" option, and the chirps immediately went away. Now I remember how annoying those chirps were when I first got the machine.

Thank you to whoever it was that posted about CHUD nap option removing the chirps! I'm one happy geek.

If you need the CHUD tools, download here: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14358

[Teronke]

Originally posted by sopheapsem
This new build of 10.28 did NOT fix a couple of problems from the initial release.

1) Running a gestalt 'pclk' on my tibook 1GHZ will incorrectly report the machine as a 667MHZ. Running XBench from within 10.28 will also report the machine as 667MHZ clock speed, and going to the XBench forums, there are several users reporting incorrect clock speeds after updating to 10.28. May be only related to specific machines, but...

2) After waking my powerbook from sleep, my Apple Studio Monitor, which is hooked up to my Tibook as an external monitor, forgets its resolution settings and I need to select Detect Displays to get the proper resolution again. This seems to be a fairly common problem--I can't understand why Apple didn't address this one. Also, probably only related to specific machines.

I was wondering if you had checked the Apple System Profiler to see what clock speed it is reporting????

Do you know if it's a software reporting error or have you noticed a real world drop in speed??

Still reading through all the posts before deliberating on whether to go through with the upgrade. Got burnt badly last time. Was only able to downgrade with a clean install

[iPC]

All is good here so far....

[rizzo242]

Originally posted by Teronke
I was wondering if you had checked the Apple System Profiler to see what clock speed it is reporting????

Do you know if it's a software reporting error or have you noticed a real world drop in speed??

Still reading through all the posts before deliberating on whether to go through with the upgrade. Got burnt badly last time. Was only able to downgrade with a clean install

I ran XBench on my 1 GHz TiBook running 10.2.6 and got an 82.53 score, reporting "Power PC G4 @ 1 GHz" for processor.

Then I installed the new 10.2.8 update (I waited) and immediately ran XBench again, and got an 80.66 score, reporting "PowerPC G4 @ 667 MHz" for processor.

After this, I ran Apple System Profiler, which states machine speed to be 1.0 GHz.

Looks like the update tricked XBench, but it also looks like everything scored a tiny bit lower across the board now that I've installed 10.2.8, even though some things like window draws do *seem* a bit faster.

I have to say I'm concerned about this magical battery life extension that seems to be going around. Since I got this TiBook, I'd get a pretty consistent 2:45 fully charged, but after updating to 10.2.8, it spiked out at 5:40, spent some time in the 4-hour range, and at the moment seems to be jumping around between 1:50 and 3:10 (because I'm using it). Is this just a clever trick, or is it using more advanced CPU throttling techniques or something?

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by rizzo242
I ran XBench on my 1 GHz TiBook running 10.2.6 and got an 82.53 score, reporting "Power PC G4 @ 1 GHz" for processor.

Then I installed the new 10.2.8 update (I waited) and immediately ran XBench again, and got an 80.66 score, reporting "PowerPC G4 @ 667 MHz" for processor.

After this, I ran Apple System Profiler, which states machine speed to be 1.0 GHz.

Looks like the update tricked XBench, but it also looks like everything scored a tiny bit lower across the board now that I've installed 10.2.8, even though some things like window draws do *seem* a bit faster.

I have to say I'm concerned about this magical battery life extension that seems to be going around. Since I got this TiBook, I'd get a pretty consistent 2:45 fully charged, but after updating to 10.2.8, it spiked out at 5:40, spent some time in the 4-hour range, and at the moment seems to be jumping around between 1:50 and 3:10 (because I'm using it). Is this just a clever trick, or is it using more advanced CPU throttling techniques or something? It could just be better power management. The processor being throttled back to conserve battery life unless full power is needed. Your similar xbench scores suggest that during the test the processor is acting more like a 1GHz than a 667MHz. Maybe xbench reads the processor speed when it's not actually under much load and therefore at reduced MHz. I don't know but I'm just guessing that is what's going on. It would explain the longer battery lives as well if the processors are being throttled more effectively in this update...

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
It could just be better power management. The processor being throttled back to conserve battery life unless full power is needed. Your similar xbench scores suggest that during the test the processor is acting more like a 1GHz than a 667MHz. Maybe xbench reads the processor speed when it's not actually under much load and therefore at reduced MHz. I don't know but I'm just guessing that is what's going on. It would explain the longer battery lives as well if the processors are being throttled more effectively in this update...

10.2.8 made me lose over 8 points total on xbench and about 1-2 points across the board. I checked Energy Saver to find it had set it back to Auto, so I just kept it and decided to go and repair permissions and all that good stuff, restarted, and it went back up to 108 again. My disk scores seem a bit lower, though, along with my graphics scores, though. Also, it seems to restart slower for some reason, even though most have said it has made their restart times quicker.

[shecky]

just redid the update on new 1Ghz TiBook and my battery is now saying around 4 hours (airport off, 2/3rd screen brightness, highest processor speed) on a 98% charge. even if i get a real life 3 hours i would be pretty happy.

i think i am going to recalibrate the battery again just to be sure.

[niall2]

Originally posted by alirio
Anyone else have similar results?

I'm one of those people waiting for his new AluBook to ship and wincing at the reports of low battery life.

Installed on batteries. Had 1:30 left to go. After the reboot I had over 2 hours on my 12" G4 PB.

[niall2]

Or has my idle CPU usage apparently dropped by almost 50% from 10.2.7 and the original 10.2.8. That would make the battery happier....

[240vac]

OK, I've learnt a lesson...

I installed the first 10.2.8, and had no problems with it except for a slightly lower battery life reported.

Thinking the revised 10.2.8 might fix this, I installed that through software update - and my system has been completely screwed. Internet access (wireless - I haven't tried direct ethernet connection) has been cut off - hence I'm writing this on my girlfriend's pc. System preferences crashes on accessing energy saver, and will not save changes to network preferences. Various icons do not appear in the top-right, such as wireless signal strength and battery life.

I don't have any cdroms since 10.0.3 - aaaargh!!

[ebow]

Originally posted by 240vac
OK, I've learnt a lesson...

<snip>

I don't have any cdroms since 10.0.3 - aaaargh!!

Uhh, the lesson being that if you install a copy of an OS that you "found in the woods" you're on your own when things go bad? However, if your computer came with 10.2 preinstalled, then you should be able to reinstall from the CDs that came with it.

[utilizer]

Apple has released the best update ever with this revised 10.2.8, from what I've experienced using my Pismo. The genie window functions are the most fluid I've ever seen and speaking of fluid, when you right-click on a menu and scroll down, you no longer have "get stuck" for five seconds while dragging down through the list of items. It's great!
The iTunes' popping sound is gone; this only occurred when I was doing something in another one of the iApps. Must be something that they streamlined in the system framework.
Makes me want Panther here even sooner than it actually is going to debut.

[fpnc]

IMO, all this discussion about battery "life" is just FUD. The first release of 10.2.8 did change the battery status time remaining estimate but that's not the same as the actual runtime. In any case, you'll never get exactly the same battery runtime even on back-to-back tests, there will always be some variation.

True, the original 10.2.8 release may have underestimated the battery runtime, but in my hands the newest version often overestimates runtime. Like reporting 8 hours on my PowerBook DVI immediately after I boot (which then settles to just over 3 hours, although I typically get about 2 hours). Also, the latest battery status monitor seems to have a problem when the system is running on A/C, it often reports "Calculating..." when you are running on A/C while the recalled 10.2.8 would switch immediately to "Plugged In." The former (incorrect) behavior was pretty much the way 10.2.6 behaved and I suspect that all the latest release did is go back to the "old" 10.2.6 code. So, I believe that there has been no change in actual battery life and in any case all of the runtime estimates are to be taken with a great deal of skepticism.

[fourthtunz]

I upgraded my 1 gig emac to 10.2.8 and it seems to be working fine, haven't noticed a speed increase but haven't used much other than safari, aol may be a little faster though.
any other emac users? peace
daniel

[sopheapsem]

Originally posted by rizzo242
I ran XBench on my 1 GHz TiBook running 10.2.6 and got an 82.53 score, reporting "Power PC G4 @ 1 GHz" for processor.

Then I installed the new 10.2.8 update (I waited) and immediately ran XBench again, and got an 80.66 score, reporting "PowerPC G4 @ 667 MHz" for processor.

After this, I ran Apple System Profiler, which states machine speed to be 1.0 GHz.

I don't <think> the mis-reporting is a reflection of actual disk speed, nor is it an X-Bench problem. I think maybe apple has just simply screwed up the reporting of the gestalt value 'pclk' which reports the clock speed of the machine. (tho apple system profiler does report the correct speed, so it must use a different method) It doesn't appear to affect all machines, though--my girlfriend's ibook is fine. i hope this gets sorted out as some software relies on gestalt values to correctly identify your machine (i.e. installers, copy protection, XBench, etc.)

[dbunder]

I never installed the original 10.2.8 update (my ibook was being repaired) but an update from 10.2.6 to this 10.2.8 rev2 boosted the battery time from ~3hrs to ~5hrs on my ibook 800 with the screen dimmed to 4 bars.

[Marlon_JBT]

Is there anywhere where you can find out how long it took you to boot, or do I have to time it myself?

As for battery life... I didn't do any calibration for the good 10.2.8, but when it told me that I had 10 hours left, I said "What if this really was true?"8

Still, I'm happy, but 10.2.3 had battery troubles as well. Hmm...

10.2.3-Battery Troubles (PB Shipped with this update)
10.2.6-Fixed
10.2.8-Troubles
10.2.8.1-Fixed

There's my pattern of updates. Does this mean 10.2.9 will have more troubles as well? :)

[Doctor Q]

As the system begins to boot and initializes devices and memory, it can't yet access the disk to write, say, a log file, and I don't know of any RAM-based record of the starting time. So I think you have to time booting yourself.

[airmac]

well, after updating the dock dissapiered..wtf..i repaired permisions...nothing..i never had any problems with installers on my dual giga...the dock just isn't there..does that have anything to do with transparent dock 2.0...:confused:

And minimaze in place also stopped working...

what to do?

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by fpnc
IMO, all this discussion about battery "life" is just FUD. The first release of 10.2.8 did change the battery status time remaining estimate but that's not the same as the actual runtime. In any case, you'll never get exactly the same battery runtime even on back-to-back tests, there will always be some variation.

True, the original 10.2.8 release may have underestimated the battery runtime, but in my hands the newest version often overestimates runtime. Like reporting 8 hours on my PowerBook DVI immediately after I boot (which then settles to just over 3 hours, although I typically get about 2 hours). Also, the latest battery status monitor seems to have a problem when the system is running on A/C, it often reports "Calculating..." when you are running on A/C while the recalled 10.2.8 would switch immediately to "Plugged In." The former (incorrect) behavior was pretty much the way 10.2.6 behaved and I suspect that all the latest release did is go back to the "old" 10.2.6 code. So, I believe that there has been no change in actual battery life and in any case all of the runtime estimates are to be taken with a great deal of skepticism.

I upgraded straight from 10.2.7.

When you plug in, it says "Calculating" because it's calculating how long it will take for the battery to recharge.

I think the new battery estimates are accurate. If you want, I will test them.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by sopheapsem
I don't <think> the mis-reporting is a reflection of actual disk speed, nor is it an X-Bench problem. I think maybe apple has just simply screwed up the reporting of the gestalt value 'pclk' which reports the clock speed of the machine. (tho apple system profiler does report the correct speed, so it must use a different method)

Why would it use a different method?

It makes far more sense that XBench detects the actual frequency the processor's running at, and consequently, sometimes picks up a slewed frequency.

[fpnc]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

When you plug in, it says "Calculating" because it's calculating how long it will take for the battery to recharge.


<edit> In any case, under the latest version of 10.2.8 I often see the "Calculating..." status for very long periods of time. It seems to get stuck on this status message.

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

I think the new battery estimates are accurate. If you want, I will test them.

No need for that, everyone will get different results and accurate battery testing is actually pretty difficult to perform.

In my original post I mentioned the FUD factor (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I think a better acronym would be PUD (Placebo, Uncertainty, and Doubt). The 10.2.8 issues that I'd attribute mainly to PUD are: faster/slower graphics and GUI (no obvious difference on my system), faster boot time (I measured it on my PowerBook, four trials on each OS, there was no statistically significant difference), shorter/longer battery runtime (not the same problem as the estimated battery runtime provided by the battery status indicator which had changed between 10.2.8 and 10.2.8 rev 2). IMO, anyway.

Finally, I'm running the new 10.2.8 (6R73) release on my PowerBook DVI and the battery status says I have 4:47 remaining time left. It's been indicating well over four hours for the last 5 to 10 minutes and I know from many previous trials that I'll only get a little over two hours given my current working conditions. So, I'd say that the latest release of the battery status is greatly overestimating battery life. Okay, now it's up to over 5 hours, pure rubbish! I guess I'll try to "calibrate" my battery, but these estimates are only that (rough estimates), so I go by past experience and a wall clock more than the battery status indicator (i.e. my battery is nearly fully charged, it is now 6:30PM and I know from experience that I'll get a little over 2 hours of runtime, so I'm good until at least 8:30). There is no way it's going to last another 5 hours.

[Genie]

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
I just installed 10.2.8 on my G5.

It seems to be working fine.

[WM.]

Originally posted by Snowy_River
For the record, Apple's record hasn't been as stellar as you seem to think. I've used a number of professional applications that have had some functionality killed when these minor updates are released. Then the engineers have to scramble to put together a downloadable patch to fix what Apple broke, or simply tell their customers if they need the broken functionality then they have to downgrade their OS (depending on which company we're talking about). In my estimation, this has happened roughly every second or third update requires this kind of caution for fear of something being broken. And, at some level, it is Apple's fault for, if nothing else, not providing better support for some major developers.
Apple provided them with several seeds (probably more than normal ADC members got). What more do you want?

WM

[sopheapsem]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Why would it use a different method?

It makes far more sense that XBench detects the actual frequency the processor's running at, and consequently, sometimes picks up a slewed frequency.

That's not what's happening here. I'm working on a piece of software that relies on the gesfalt 'pclk' to identify a machine and it reports the wrong value under 10.28. simple. i then noticed that folks with tibooks on the xbench forum were reporting similar miscalculations--so I ran xbench in 10.28 and it also reports 667mhz on a 1ghz machine. i have no idea why apple system profiler reports the proper speed other than to say that it obviously doesn't use that gesfalt value to report clock speed. I've gone back to 10.26 now and the proper speed is reported. It's just a stored value that is being reported incorrectly in 10.28, but it will cause problems. So far, I've only read reports of this from powerbook users.

[WM.]

Originally posted by Lancetx
Because it sounds like it only pertains to the particular type of modem that is in the G5s only (Apple Internal USB Modem (v.92)). That begs another question...do the G5s have an internal USB modem? I've never heard of that before.
I believe USB internal modems have been part of every new Mac for about two years now. Before that it looks like they used some other internal serial-type bus. (I2C, perhaps? although I don't think it's a serial bus per se....???)

FWIW
WM

[totally_fly]

One poster mentioned that window resizing Finder windows got a major speed bump. I checked that out and saw that yea, it was faster, but the extra speed also gave me drawing errors! While resizing, I experience the scroll bars not being erased properly.

I took two screenshots while testing this out, to see if I could capture it! Turns out I captured lots more! (FYI, this is not what I saw, the window was always fully visible, but the scroll bars were staying where they shouldn't.. the screenshots show that something fishy was going on and Grab was simply not able to figure it out)

Btw, I did try this a lot with Safari, and found that I could not reproduce it.. Finder only.

http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os%20x/drawingIssue10.2.8%201.jpg

http://achkara.ath.cx:82/os%20x/drawingIssue10.2.8%202.jpg

[robotrenegade]

10.2.8 sucks

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by fpnc
<edit> In any case, under the latest version of 10.2.8 I often see the "Calculating..." status for very long periods of time. It seems to get stuck on this status message.

I have not encountered that.

Originally posted by fpnc
In my original post I mentioned the FUD factor (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I think a better acronym would be PUD (Placebo, Uncertainty, and Doubt). The 10.2.8 issues that I'd attribute mainly to PUD are: faster/slower graphics and GUI (no obvious difference on my system), faster boot time (I measured it on my PowerBook, four trials on each OS, there was no statistically significant difference), shorter/longer battery runtime (not the same problem as the estimated battery runtime provided by the battery status indicator which had changed between 10.2.8 and 10.2.8 rev 2). IMO, anyway.

I think you're just being a jerk. Just because you're not getting any improvements doesn't mean no one else is.

Originally posted by fpnc
Finally, I'm running the new 10.2.8 (6R73) release on my PowerBook DVI and the battery status says I have 4:47 remaining time left. It's been indicating well over four hours for the last 5 to 10 minutes and I know from many previous trials that I'll only get a little over two hours given my current working conditions. So, I'd say that the latest release of the battery status is greatly overestimating battery life. Okay, now it's up to over 5 hours, pure rubbish! I guess I'll try to "calibrate" my battery, but these estimates are only that (rough estimates), so I go by past experience and a wall clock more than the battery status indicator (i.e. my battery is nearly fully charged, it is now 6:30PM and I know from experience that I'll get a little over 2 hours of runtime, so I'm good until at least 8:30). There is no way it's going to last another 5 hours.

Run it for awhile without recharging to see. Either that, or just shut up and stop being such a jerk.

Originally posted by sopheapsem
That's not what's happening here. I'm working on a piece of software that relies on the gesfalt 'pclk' to identify a machine and it reports the wrong value under 10.28. simple. i then noticed that folks with tibooks on the xbench forum were reporting similar miscalculations--so I ran xbench in 10.28 and it also reports 667mhz on a 1ghz machine. i have no idea why apple system profiler reports the proper speed other than to say that it obviously doesn't use that gesfalt value to report clock speed. I've gone back to 10.26 now and the proper speed is reported. It's just a stored value that is being reported incorrectly in 10.28, but it will cause problems. So far, I've only read reports of this from powerbook users.

Maybe the gestalt 'pclk' detects the actual frequency when and if the processor is slewed while the System Profiler detects the gestalt ID for what model you have, and from that, knows what your rated processor speed is.

[daddy-mojo]

Originally posted by 240vac
OK, I've learnt a lesson...

I installed the first 10.2.8, and had no problems with it except for a slightly lower battery life reported.

Thinking the revised 10.2.8 might fix this, I installed that through software update - and my system has been completely screwed. Internet access (wireless - I haven't tried direct ethernet connection) has been cut off - hence I'm writing this on my girlfriend's pc. System preferences crashes on accessing energy saver, and will not save changes to network preferences. Various icons do not appear in the top-right, such as wireless signal strength and battery life.

I don't have any cdroms since 10.0.3 - aaaargh!!

download and install the 10.2.8 combo updater, it fixed the weirdness after I ran the software update panel 10.2.8 last night. The combo updaters always seem better. Don't forget to repair your permissions before/after.

[Plutoniq]

Everything went fine using the software update on my 500mhz Pismo. Xbench showed both performance increases to Quartz Graphics & OpenGL tests. In the OpenGL test, FPS went from 40fps (10.2.6) to 46fps (10.2.8). Thats about a 15% improvement. Not bad considering it's an older Rage 128 mobilty. Hopefully Panther will provide further performance optimization.

[airmac]

Originally posted by airmac
well, after updating the dock dissapiered..wtf..i repaired permisions...nothing..i never had any problems with installers on my dual giga...the dock just isn't there..does that have anything to do with transparent dock 2.0...:confused:

And minimaze in place also stopped working...

what to do?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa PEOPLE...i need some help!!!

[King Cobra]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this...

I went through every post in this thread (for the first time) and no one has mentioned that

There are THREE versions of 10.2.8 (for non-G5 machines):
10.2.8 (Build 6R65): The one that caused networking problems
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (600KB): The one that "improved" battery status, and
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (40MB): Off Apple's site (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosxupdate_10_2_8.html).

(And then there are the G5 versions...)

After I downloaded the 40MB update off the site for my Cube I double-clicked on the .dmg file, which normally mounts a disk image. But nothing mounted. Nothing appeared on the desktop. The Disk Copy app opened up and showed a progress bar, but after it closed, nothing mounted.

Somebody help me out here: Why is specifically Apple's 40MB version of 10.2.8 (6R73) not even opening up?

I didn't yet install the 600KB update from the Software Update control panel, which I despise. http://www.thetechpub.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_snipersmilie.gif

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Running the old 10.2.8 on a G4 Cube

[King Cobra]

I have an additional problem.

I tried transferring BOTH new builds (6R73) of Mac OS X 10.2.8 to my iBook, currently running 10.2.6. When I try to update with the 40MB download, it still won't mount.

And when I try to install the little 600KB package on my iBook, I get to the Select A Destination screen, but I am not allowed to install the update:

"Installing this software requires 146KB of disk space."

I have 1.1GB left.
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Exclamation mark in red octagon stamped on the Hard Drive icon, as well as to the left of the following message:

"You cannot install this software on this disk. This volume does not meet the requirements for this update."
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I just don't understand...my Cube with 10.2.8 (6R65) will accept the (6R73) update, but my iBook with 10.2.6 won't?

I need help with this entire situation.

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by King Cobra
I'm surprised no one mentioned this...

I went through every post in this thread (for the first time) and no one has mentioned that

There are THREE versions of 10.2.8 (for non-G5 machines):
10.2.8 (Build 6R65): The one that caused networking problems
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (600KB): The one that "improved" battery status, and
10.2.8 (Build 6R73) (40MB): Off Apple's site (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosxupdate_10_2_8.html).

(And then there are the G5 versions...)

I didn't yet install the 600KB update from the Software Update control panel, which I despise. [IMG]__
Running the old 10.2.8 on a G4 Cube

Try this one. This is the one I used and had success...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120244

[ima_pseudonym]

King Cobra: the small 600kb package is only for systems that had the earlier 10.2.8 installed (i.e. your cube but not your ibook). If you didn't install the original 10.2.8, you need one of the larger packages, the 40MB version, or the massive 90 odd MB combo updater. (I always use the combo versions, with earlier updates there have been many fewer problems for those who used the combo version).

Just to add my 2 cents about batteries, My original 12" pbook gained about 30-45 minutes of battery life under 10.2.8, compared to 10.2.7 (I didn't install the original 10.2.8). That is actual timed usage, not just the estimate from the menubar.

[gopher]

http://www.macmaps.com/Macosxspeed.html#ARCHIVE has links to each 10.2.8 available from Apple's website.

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by 240vac
{snippage}
Various icons do not appear in the top-right, such as wireless signal strength and battery life.
{snippage}

Same thing happened to me when I quickly updated to OS 10.2.6 ...

I had to start over with OS 10.2, and then install the combo updater.

Ever since: before I update anything: I use Cocktail to Prebind and REPAIR PERMISSIONS.

Then after the update: I use Cocktail to Prebind and REPAIR PERMISSIONS.
=-=
JJ

[Genie]

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/g5opening/index.htm)
10.2.8 (G5) is still working perfectly on my G5.

[King Cobra]

I wouldn't doubt the previous poster's words about how the 10.2.8 updates reflect different estimations of portable battery life, but for kicks:

With 10.2.6: 2:57
With 10.2.8 (latest): 4:21

But...
On my Cube, there is a startup lag at the progress screen for a whole minute, specifically, "Waiting for network initialization". The same goes for my iBook.

So, for me, boot time is significantly longer. I'm guessing 50% longer.

The Finder as a whole seems a bit more responsive.

[airmac]

i guess ...hm...bad luck... :confused:

[visor]

I'm using xbattery to monitor my battery behaviour. Interesting, the old .8 got my gerneral usage time (browsing on airport) down to about two (timed) hours. When the thing was new last autumn (ibook 700) I timed 5hours, seven minutes, same usage. new with the new .8 i got 3 hours 20 minutes.
While its a good deal better than the old .8 its still way less then it used to be.

It reflects in the xbattery capacity monitor as well. starting off at 4.1 Ah, it is now at 3.6 Ah which is almost 10% capacity loss.
Hm, I can't say that i like that :( but still - 10% would make some 30 minutes at 5 hours, so i still lack a whole hour... I really have to test how to get most out of the battery

[brautigan25]

I have a B&W G3 400. This update (and the previous one that was pulled) makes my machine freeze on the Apple startup screen. Phooey...

I haven't had the guts to try it on the wife's iBook. It's an 800Mhz, but she can't afford to have anything screw it up, so I guess, I'll wait. Fortunately I have a second HD with 10.2.6 on it.

D

[Jetson]

I read all the posts about this latest version of the 10.2.8 upgrade and bravely decided to try it.

I backed up my hard drive and repaired permissions. Then I installed the upgrade.

The first time I restarted the computer it took significantly longer to restart. The "blue screen of life" as some call it stayed visible for about 30 seconds before the desktop finally appeared. I immediately restarted the computer and the restart was much quicker the 2nd time - even faster than before the upgrade. I again repaired permissions as people here recommended.

So far everything seems to work fine. The machine *seems* a bit snappier. There are 2 problems unfortunately. The first is that I can no longer access the System Profiler. When I click on "About This Mac" that window displays but the "More Info..." button is not blue and nothing happens when I click on it. Makes me wonder what other hidden malfunction may have been introduced by this upgrade. Also I had hoped that a major bug in Safari would have been repaired but it wasn't. When attempting to copy images (such as album artwork) and paste them the image always appears inverted and reversed. I have to crank up Explorer to capture images since it does them correctly.

A few other issues: The faint high pitched squeak heard through headphones during disk access is still there. And I thought the Address Book and Calendar were supposed to have new versions too. Ah well. At least my computer is still running well otherwise.

[gopher]

Originally posted by visor
I'm using xbattery to monitor my battery behaviour. Interesting, the old .8 got my gerneral usage time (browsing on airport) down to about two (timed) hours. When the thing was new last autumn (ibook 700) I timed 5hours, seven minutes, same usage. new with the new .8 i got 3 hours 20 minutes.
While its a good deal better than the old .8 its still way less then it used to be.

It reflects in the xbattery capacity monitor as well. starting off at 4.1 Ah, it is now at 3.6 Ah which is almost 10% capacity loss.
Hm, I can't say that i like that :( but still - 10% would make some 30 minutes at 5 hours, so i still lack a whole hour... I really have to test how to get most out of the battery

Don't use Xbattery. It actually lessens battery life by always checking its charge. You are better off leaving the operating system doing its duties. I hope you upgraded to 10.2.8 6R73, as 6R65 is known to lessen battery life too. See Apple's update of a day ago.

[rosiedog]

First of all, Hello I am new here!

I didn't have time to read this whole thread this morning so forgive me if somebody has already suggested what I am about to say.

I would think it would be cool and it would make sense if the new ibook had the minor upgrades like a new 1 ghz g3, new usb, better graphics.

The major changes should be the form factor. I love the way it is now with the white plastic, But maybe the new change in form factor would be thinner, wider, lighter. Or maybe it would be cool to see one bigger, wider, and with a rubberized shock proof case that is also weather resistant. It definitely should come with the backlighted keyboard for the cool factor hehe.

-Jason

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by King Cobra
{snippage}

"Waiting for network initialization". The same goes for my iBook.

{snippage}

Open System Preferences. Click Network. Show: select Built-in Ethernet. Configure: change it from "Using DHCP" to any other.

Your computers are initializing the network connection with DHCP, and you are not connected to a network.

You can find your IP address listed in Apple System Profiler under the System Profile tab: at the bottom of the page, click the Network Overview flags.

[zync]

Originally posted by alirio
Anyone else have similar results?

I'm one of those people waiting for his new AluBook to ship and wincing at the reports of low battery life.

I'm sitting here in the student union at my college and for a little while my battery was decreasing in percentage yet increasing in time :) I wasn't doing anything intensive so it's not an effect of me doing something and then not....I was down to around 1:25 or so left about 10 minutes ago but since then I've downloaded the update manually but then I let software update do it so that's been using my airport extreme heavily now it's hovering around 1:40-1:41 left....so nothing major but then again my battery is around 20% lower than it was....I'm not sure what that means because it didn't really take that much time to drop percentage yet it tells me I have 1:41 left....oh well we'll see what happens....for any of you who wish to know:

Upgraded from 10.2.7 to 10.2.8 (revised version)
15" Aluminum Powerbook with Superdrive
1.25 GHz and each bank filled with 256MB DDR 2700 (factory)

[zync]

Originally posted by sopheapsem
That's not what's happening here. I'm working on a piece of software that relies on the gesfalt 'pclk' to identify a machine and it reports the wrong value under 10.28. simple. i then noticed that folks with tibooks on the xbench forum were reporting similar miscalculations--so I ran xbench in 10.28 and it also reports 667mhz on a 1ghz machine. i have no idea why apple system profiler reports the proper speed other than to say that it obviously doesn't use that gesfalt value to report clock speed. I've gone back to 10.26 now and the proper speed is reported. It's just a stored value that is being reported incorrectly in 10.28, but it will cause problems. So far, I've only read reports of this from powerbook users.

In an effort to help you with your program, I'm using a 1.25GHz 15" and xbench reports the processor speed correctly....I have my slewing set to auto unless the update changed that....checking...yeah it's still on auto....maybe you got a slewed result or maybe only the 1GHz and below report the incorrect numbers? Hope this helps...

[zync]

Originally posted by rosiedog
First of all, Hello I am new here!

I didn't have time to read this whole thread this morning so forgive me if somebody has already suggested what I am about to say.

I would think it would be cool and it would make sense if the new ibook had the minor upgrades like a new 1 ghz g3, new usb, better graphics.

The major changes should be the form factor. I love the way it is now with the white plastic, But maybe the new change in form factor would be thinner, wider, lighter. Or maybe it would be cool to see one bigger, wider, and with a rubberized shock proof case that is also weather resistant. It definitely should come with the backlighted keyboard for the cool factor hehe.

-Jason

Welcome, though I think you clicked the wrong forum link, this is the discussion on the re-release of OS 10.2.8....also the iBook is actually clear (probably some form of lexan) with a coat of white paint on the inside so it doesn't get scratched....

[sopheapsem]

Originally posted by zync
In an effort to help you with your program, I'm using a 1.25GHz 15" and xbench reports the processor speed correctly....I have my slewing set to auto unless the update changed that....checking...yeah it's still on auto....maybe you got a slewed result or maybe only the 1GHz and below report the incorrect numbers? Hope this helps...

Thanks for checking. I've got my machine set to 'highest' CPU performance, so i don't think it's a slewed report. Interesting that it's not affecting the newest powerbook. I am not alone, though--check here:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@218.aWrcaz2kgqs.2@.599a4e72

and here:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@218.aWrcaz2kgqs.8@.599a42a6

Seems to be affecting 1Ghz and 867Ghz machines. PRAM reset sometimes fixes it until a restart, and then back to the wrong value again. Again, I don't think this is a report of actual speed decrease just an improperly set value in the 10.28 update.

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by JJTiger1
Open System Preferences. Click Network. Show: select Built-in Ethernet. Configure: change it from "Using DHCP" to any other.

Excellent find.

BTW
Re: Your sig
We do have two red Jeeps. We had to get a third one because one was stolen. :p :p :(

[buffalo5]

Originally posted by fourthtunz
I upgraded my 1 gig emac to 10.2.8 and it seems to be working fine, haven't noticed a speed increase but haven't used much other than safari, aol may be a little faster though.
any other emac users? peace
daniel

We just got our new eMac home 2 weeks ago. I updated to 10.2.8 through software update last Saturday. Everything worked fine till Monday afternoon. My wife tried to boot up but there was no video. When I came home I hooked up the monitor from our old PC. That worked fine up still no internal video. I don't think the internal video loss was due to installing 10.2.8 as I haven't come across that problem in any posts on the web. Has anyone else come across this problem?