What to expect by Mac OS 10.7

[TigerPRO]

It's interesting to think about what Mac OS X will be like when it reaches version 10.7. I'd like to hear about what you think will be the next [big & drastic] innovative features Apple will come up with. Lets talk about the "drastic" innovations here, not like "spring loaded dock folders". Please keep your posts serious and practical for this thread.

Just in looking at the history of Mac OS X, I see that 10.0 was really not that great, and 10.1 was still greatly lacking. It's almost like Apple had to take a step backward with the Macintosh operating system to take three steps forward (meaning the transition from System 9). In my perception, Mac OS X really became mature with the release of Jaguar. But it still seems like a few other important, but not essential, features (user switching, exposé) are being finished off with Panther.

With this, it's interesting to think about what Apple will do after these "no brainer" features are implemented. There's only so much you can do with an operating system, when you need to really start brainstorming. Unlike Windows, where their new versions can advertise improved security and stability, Mac OS X really is beyond those problems. So what can you do to an operating system after it seems like you've exhausted it's possibilities? That's the question I'd like to hear you folks tackle. Just to get it started, here's three ideas I have:

1. Ground braking, built-in "voice-to-text" engine technology.
2. Realtime ("true") multitasking (i.e. dual mouse input)
3. iSight face recognition software for system security.

[Powerbook G5]

I want some serious Star Trek level voice, holographic, and AI algorithmic interfacing. Now that would blow me away.

[Counterfit]

screw mice and keyboards, brainwave input. :D I'm serious, by the time 10.7 is released, we'll be looking at early or middle-aged G6's

[shecky]

*note - not well thought out:

-global syncing. e.g. you can sync not just iCal, Addressbook, etc but you can literally sync the ENTIRE Applications + documents folder across multiple macs so that what you work on at home is IDENTICAL to what you work on at work.

-predictive text input (that WORKS)

-intelligent font management (oh please...please...)

-built in x86 emulation (VPC)

-support for 16 processors :)

-support for fuel cells on portables

-support for multiple native LCD resoloutions (i suppose this is more hardware than OS, but a man can dream)

-support for RedTooth (400 megabit Bluetooth)

-hyperintelligent battery/fuel-cell management for portables, giving real-world 24 hour battery life.

-z-axis motion capture with iSight (does this already exist?)

[revenuee]

Thats assuming we see 10.7

OS 9 only got to 9.2 before it went to 10

What if after Panther a major update will be called OS 11?

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by revenuee
Thats assuming we see 10.7

OS 9 only got to 9.2 before it went to 10

What if after Panther a major update will be called OS 11?

They will milk the almighty Roman Numeral X for all its worth.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Freg3000
They will milk the almighty Roman Numeral X for all its worth.

OS 11 - XI

LOL... i guess OS "EX" "I" doesn't sound as good....

[Doctor Q]

How 'bout the return of OpenDoc (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos8/Legacy/OpenDoc/opendoc.html)? Well, maybe not OpenDoc itself, but a return to the idea that you can have a collection of software components and use whichever of them you like in order to build a document. For example, I have many programs that come with a dictionary and spellcheck logic. It would be better if "spellcheck component" vendors competed for my business, I bought the one I liked best, and it was used when I did spellcheck in any type of activity: word processing, e-mail, web forms, instant messaging, etc.

[TigerPRO]

Originally posted by revenuee
Thats assuming we see 10.7

OS 9 only got to 9.2 before it went to 10

What if after Panther a major update will be called OS 11?

I'm sure we will see 10.0 - 10.9. Something I've always remembered from the January 2003 keynote, was when Job's told us that OS X will be with us for at least another 10 years. They may call it something new, but they won't being doing anther total rehall of the OS for at least 10 years.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by revenuee
OS 11 - XI

LOL... i guess OS "EX" "I" doesn't sound as good....

No one should be saying "EX" anyway--it's ten.

I would hope for a fully-revised interface, possibly with 3D-layered windows, all visible on the desktop.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by bousozoku
No one should be saying "EX" anyway--it's ten.


Millions of dollars invested into marketing Apples next generation OS, and they arbitrarily decide to call is "OS X" as apposed to just leaving it as "OS 10"?

Ya, right - i'm sure no one thought about the fact that it might acctually sound cool, and people would acctually refer to it that way.

[Counterfit]

I suppose it doesn't matter if they're wrong then...

Anyways, I'd also like to see support for a 3-dimensional GUI.

[D0ct0rteeth]

Computing is not about new apps.. its about using the computer in a easier, far reaching and more effective way.


- iSync syncs files on all devices (ipod/phone/remote ftp servers/multiple computers)

- cleaner and simpler application integration (ical, mail, ichat, address book)

- integrated tv tuner and 5.1 audio

- voice/video chat standard... seamless telephone/fax integration

- wireless internet/networking standard.. rendezvous automatically configures everything..

- longer life batteries (8hr workday) on laptops

[Makosuke]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
How 'bout the return of OpenDoc (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos8/Legacy/OpenDoc/opendoc.html)? Well, maybe not OpenDoc itself, but a return to the idea that you can have a collection of software components and use whichever of them you like in order to build a document. For example, I have many programs that come with a dictionary and spellcheck logic. It would be better if "spellcheck component" vendors competed for my business, I bought the one I liked best, and it was used when I did spellcheck in any type of activity: word processing, e-mail, web forms, instant messaging, etc. Actually, although we're not back to OpenDoc (which I'd say was one of Apple's most impressive concepts), X is already leaning considerably toward that direction with the combination of Services and easy APIs to use Apple's applications.

For example, I can already install WordServices and allow any text application to handle MS Word files, any application built to use it can use the OS-level spellcheck service (and there's nothing stopping anyone from writing a replacement), and there are plenty of other handy services--Unicode conversion, summarizing, etc.

Combine that with the easy interface to embed the Safari engine into other apps, and you're almost halfway there. If they continue to evolve those two conecpts, we might well find ourselves back at OpenDoc in a roundabout way--it could certainly happen by 10.7.

As far as really interesting stuff, some things that might be cool to see in future X releases would be:

*Lightly 3D interface (I don't want to "fly" through my computer, but if, for example, a background app really did drop a bit into the background, it might be useful).

*Database-based filesystem; this is something along the lines of what MS is working on, and I believe the BeOS had very powerful capabilities along those lines. Might be cool, might not, but it'd be neat to try.

*Auto-healing OS; X is pretty darned stable, but taking that a step farther so it could detect and replace corrupt components or prefs would be cool.

*An advanced, AI-style Sherlock that helps you find what you want (much more advanced than Longhorn's hyped search feature). Could happen.

*Integrated media center--Tivo without any additional non-Apple hardware or software. Not hugely revolutionary, but Apple could make it extra-cool somehow.

*AI Help; anything would be better than the current funky help viewer, but natural language questions with customized answers would be neat-o.

*Built-in distributed computing engine. Sell your spare Gigaflops!

[mac15]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
How 'bout the return of OpenDoc (http://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos8/Legacy/OpenDoc/opendoc.html)? Well, maybe not OpenDoc itself, but a return to the idea that you can have a collection of software components and use whichever of them you like in order to build a document. For example, I have many programs that come with a dictionary and spellcheck logic. It would be better if "spellcheck component" vendors competed for my business, I bought the one I liked best, and it was used when I did spellcheck in any type of activity: word processing, e-mail, web forms, instant messaging, etc.

Steve killed opendoc in 97, he said Javabeans could do a better job. I don't know how but it came from Steve though

[Nermal]

I'll just drag out an old quote from these forums, it's still relevant :)

Originally posted by sonofslim
I want a computer so good it must be used for evil. I want to walk out of Apple SoHo with a golden aura. I want anti-gravity bluetooth. I want a computer that chases squirrels and steals your picnic lunch. I want a computer that gets bored while I'm at work and prank-calls Microsoft tech support. I want WiFi control over my coffee maker. And my roommate. And the cat. I want the ability to hijack passing iPods. I want a computer that reduces fat while locking in savory chicken flavor. I want four on the floor and a fuzzy 970 chip hanging from the rearview. I want an Airport station that cleans my laundry with sonic waves. I want a keyboard with gold teeth. I want fries with that.

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by revenuee
Thats assuming we see 10.7

OS 9 only got to 9.2 before it went to 10

What if after Panther a major update will be called OS 11?

They have already done major updates. Is Panther going to be called 11? No it is not, but yet it has a kernel change and that is the biggest change you can make.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by revenuee
Millions of dollars invested into marketing Apples next generation OS, and they arbitrarily decide to call is "OS X" as apposed to just leaving it as "OS 10"?

Ya, right - i'm sure no one thought about the fact that it might acctually sound cool, and people would acctually refer to it that way.

It's hardly arbitrary. X is the roman numeral for 10.

As far as things sounding cool when they're mispronounced? Stupidity never sounds cool.

[Le Big Mac]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I want some serious Star Trek level voice, holographic, and AI algorithmic interfacing. Now that would blow me away.

I agree -- we're talking several generations down the road. What, 6-8 years at the current pace? I expect to think "a beer would be nice" and I can walk down to the refrigerator where a nice frosty one has been poured for me at the direction of my Mac. (which, except for the keyboard, is in my pocket)

[TigerPRO]

It seems like I'm noticing a trend in what people would like to have Mac OS X capable of doing: controlling household devices remotely. I don't think this is that far down the road. In speaking of 10.7 were are looking at about 5-6 years. At this point, I'm sure this could be a reality.

It would be very simple to implement. The household devices would simply need a control chip in them with an airport card. So from your computer, you could send instruction to various objects.

Imagine the revolution this could bring! And it does not seem that far away to me. All we need is widespread consumer support for such functions. Because unless there are more than a couple curious "techies" who would use such technology, Apple will never consider it.

[yamabushi]

I would like to see some of the extra security features available in OpenBSD added to Darwin. In other words, a merger of the best aspects of FreeBSD and OpenBSD with further innovation by Apple.

[encro]

Originally posted by TigerPRO
It seems like I'm noticing a trend in what people would like to have Mac OS X capable of doing: controlling household devices remotely. I don't think this is that far down the road. In speaking of 10.7 were are looking at about 5-6 years. At this point, I'm sure this could be a reality.

??? where have you been all these years?

the software is already available:

homerun:
http://www.findleystudios.com/homerun/

indigo:
http://www.perceptiveautomation.com/indigo/

[Ptitboul]

Originally posted by Makosuke
*Database-based filesystem;
Probably. I hope this won't be later than 10.5. It is a major change from the original Unix paradigm.

*Auto-healing OS;
I don't think this is a good idea. It would be much better if installing an application could not mess up with the system. And this is relatively easy to do : instead of giving superuser access to the installer, create a new (virtual) user each time you install an application, create the (few) directories needed, owned by this user, and make this user run the installer. You may prefer to give a common user for all applications developped by the same company (e.g. Adobe).
This is a "sandbox" strategy, and would improve the stability of the system. The system does not need to be repaired, it is not changed.

*AI Help; anything would be better than the current funky help viewer, but natural language questions with customized answers would be neat-o.
My problem with the current help system is that the documentation is very incomplete. I would like to have extensive documentation similar to Unix man pages. But this will probably never be in MacOS. This is not a company willing to give power users access to hidden features (e.g. "defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 1").

[Powerbook G5]

That's why those OS X books at Barnes and Noble and free utility programs on Version Tracker are so nice...you can learn how to do those things or have a program for beginners to do it with a nifty window interface. I know the Help system could be better, but it'd be close to impossible to make it as extensive as everyone would like.

[sparky76]

Better hope 10.7 is cool - I don't think we will have the cool-looking machines by then. The computer should be hidden. No need for a keyboard - voice recognition will be the main input. Also, no need for a screen - every room will have a screen - in the living room it will be a large wall screen which is the TV screen or for movies or for the computer, as required.
Also, the system will play all the iTunes music all over the house - with multiple streams to different rooms.
The Mac will also take care of the mundane tasks such as the heating timer, ordering fuel and home security systems. I would be nice to phone the Mac and tell it to turn the heating on.
Most of this technology is here today. It would just take some visionary at Apple to integrate it into one system.
Here's hoping.

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by sparky76
Better hope 10.7 is cool - I don't think we will have the cool-looking machines by then. The computer should be hidden. No need for a keyboard - voice recognition will be the main input. Also, no need for a screen - every room will have a screen - in the living room it will be a large wall screen which is the TV screen or for movies or for the computer, as required.
Also, the system will play all the iTunes music all over the house - with multiple streams to different rooms.
The Mac will also take care of the mundane tasks such as the heating timer, ordering fuel and home security systems. I would be nice to phone the Mac and tell it to turn the heating on.
Most of this technology is here today. It would just take some visionary at Apple to integrate it into one system.
Here's hoping.

At home there are some development communities that advertise this as part of the house. It's called virtual butler or something and there are screens all in each room of the house where you can tell it to light up the kitchen before you even walk in, tell it to start the coffee maker, tell it to start the shower, etc. It even comes with a handheld device so you can arm and watch your house from anywhere in the country when you are away.

[Makosuke]

Originally posted by sparky76
Better hope 10.7 is cool - I don't think we will have the cool-looking machines by then. The computer should be hidden. No need for a keyboard - voice recognition will be the main input. Also, no need for a screen - every room will have a screen - in the living room it will be a large wall screen which is the TV screen or for movies or for the computer, as required.A lot of people seem to envision pocket computers doing everything via voice recognition within the next 5 or 10 years, but I really don't think that's likely. If you look at the evolution of computers over the past 20 years, although we've added a lot of friendliness and media-integration features (your computer can now essentially replace your entertainment center if you want), the basics haven't changed--you buy a box and hook it up to a monitor with a keyboard plugged in. The biggest difference is the third step, which is connecting it to the Internet.

We've had voice recognition in the MacOS for years and speech synthesis for even longer, but the fact is most people neither care nor use it.

I'm pretty sure that ten years from now we'll still be using tower-shaped computers with monitors like we have today, we'll still have keyboards and mice, and your gui probably won't look a whole heck of a lot different from the way it does now. Some people will still be using 10.3, and a handful will probably still have OS9.

Pervasive computing might happen (though I don't much care for it), and AI-enabled voice recognition could, but natural language recognition isn't likely to have advanced all that far within a decade, at least according to the most recent article out of MIT that I read.

Oh, and a comment on auto-OS-repairs: If they could be made obsolete, that'd be great, but I still wonder if having each file with a built-in checksum to detect unintentional modifications and/or corruption wouldn't be a bad idea, since bad things happen sometimes even when an installer doesn't do them.

[iChan]

Originally posted by revenuee
Thats assuming we see 10.7

OS 9 only got to 9.2 before it went to 10

What if after Panther a major update will be called OS 11?

that's only because of the return of SJ... i think as long as he stays at Apple, we will have MacOS X... or simply as evolution of it... not a complete re-write that would require a whole new version number...

that is unless they reach 10.9.9

than Apple are screwed... hahaha

[iChan]

I envisage the day, maybe 15 years from now, when all the components of a computer are solid-state... like holographic HD and whatever... (I can't think!)

that would allow for really thin laptops.

screen technology will also be so advanced by then...

I actually think that OLED panels will be available by 10.7. actually deffo...

if we are stuck with these screens I'll eat my hat

[revenuee]

iChan

i agree ... X (yes it's 10 i know) will be here a while, i mean Darwin is awesome, the only real difference we may see in future upgrades is a change in the GUI, not much on improving a Unix Kernel.

As far as solid-state computer hardware ... well

Sun discovered an interesting bit of technology ... we discussed it a bit in a different thread ... but here is the link to the actual press release

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22353.html ... pretty interesting stuff

[ChrisH3677]

Sometimes it's easier to see forward by looking back.

Look back 10 years to 1993? (In the Mac world that is - forget Windows, it didn't even stop being a glorified menu sitting on top of DOS until W2K)

Has much really changed about the Mac and its OS in that time?

The metaphors haven't changed. We still point and click, use folders to store files.

It's the peripheral things that have changed most. We've gone from
- BBS's at 2.4Kb to Internet at 1.5Mb
- Floppies to CDRs to USB flash drives
- Scanners to digital cameras
- CDs to ITMS

With them comes new ways of using the computer.

Think about the peripheral things and that will tell you more about changes to the "OS".

That's what Steve did. He's bet his apples on the iLife - and it's a bet that he's winning handsomely on.

[NJANJA]

Originally posted by iChan
that's only because of the return of SJ... i think as long as he stays at Apple, we will have MacOS X... or simply as evolution of it... not a complete re-write that would require a whole new version number...

that is unless they reach 10.9.9

than Apple are screwed... hahaha

Not sure whether joke or not, but generally version numbers not decimals. Can have 10.10.1, 10.11.1, 10.9999999.9999999, &c.

[Danielo]

And now? ;)

[chiefroastbeef]

Wow, that was such a long time ago! :)

[ungraphic]

-better optimized OS, as in, uses less RAM
-a dedicated application for playing back mp3s with a library (none of that itms, ipod, iphone junk support)
-usb 3.0
-blu-ray

[cube]

I was waiting for the BD burner prices to come down, but I just ordered a Super Multi Blu burner with HD DVD ROM support, because I'm not sure if they will continue to make them anymore (even if it's not the fastest for BD).

And I don't have any HD DVD movies. But some titles have not been converted to BD.

So, HD DVD playback should also be supported. Preferably before 10.7

[Lurk]

Wow, reading a thread like this from six years ago makes an interesting read. :D

[Danielo]

It's almost there.