Panthe Pics! (7B85)

[G5orbust]

Here you are. Took me a while to track this down and grab it.

This is 7B85 on my 933MHz G4 tower.

I apologize in advance for the multiple posts.

I will take requests if you all want to see a specific feature.

[G5orbust]

New Apple System Profiler.

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Finder Window

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System Prefs

[G5orbust]

crap, sorry, it didnt load the system prefs picture. Here it is now:

[baby duck monge]

i'm under the impression that there is a built-in feature that lets you lock/encrypt your home directory. is there anything similar that lets you just do that to a folder of your choice (other than the home directory)?

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by baby duck monge
i'm under the impression that there is a built-in feature that lets you lock/encrypt your home directory. is there anything similar that lets you just do that to a folder of your choice (other than the home directory)?

I dont believe that locking individual folders can be done. I know of programs that can lock volumes, but not individual folders. Put things that need to be secure in your documents folder, so they are safe once you lock your home folder.

[MacAztec]

Yeah I got 7b85 running too, seems pretty nice and fast.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Yeah I got 7b85 running too, seems pretty nice and fast.

Pretty: Yes.
Nice: Quite.
Fast: Oh yeah!

[mac15]

This seriously kills Windows XP, I think Jaguar did from the start but this is simply incredible and surpaces Mac OS 9 for balls out speed

[kherdin]

Originally posted by mac15
This seriously kills Windows XP, I think Jaguar did from the start but this is simply incredible and surpaces Mac OS 9 for balls out speed

Are you serious? The GUI is actually faster than that of OS 9? If so, that's amazing!

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by kherdin
Are you serious? The GUI is actually faster than that of OS 9? If so, that's amazing!

yes, it actually is. Windows open pretty much instantaniously and so do system apps like the apple system profiler.

It is... insane.

[DreaminDirector]

wait wait wait... Panther feels fast than OS 9?

I was just on my old computer (dual 450) that had OS 9 and it felt alittle snappier than OSX running on my Dual 1.25.

If this is true, I'm gonna try and be first in line for Panther's release....

[mj_1903]

Although I am spoiled hardware wise (Dual 867 and 867 PBook) I have to agree with G5orbust, it is faster than OS 9 which I am sure is due to the better quartz extreme.

I have not been able to bog down my builds (having 15 apps open including developer work) and the OS just keeps on charging. I admit though, I do not have 7B85, only 68.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by mj_1903
Although I am spoiled hardware wise (Dual 867 and 867 PBook) I have to agree with G5orbust, it is faster than OS 9 which I am sure is due to the better quartz extreme.

I have not been able to bog down my builds (having 15 apps open including developer work) and the OS just keeps on charging. I admit though, I do not have 7B85, only 68.

Mj,

The performance only gets better as the builds get higher... or so I hear.

offtopic: since when was my thread "panthe pics(7B85)"? Time to fix that.

[DreaminDirector]

I too admit I'm a bit spoiled with hardware (dual 1.25 with GF4 Ti Card & TiBook 800), but I felt that OSX could be faster. It definitely wasnt as fast as OS9. What changed between Jaguar and Panther? Better code for Quartz? (forgive me, I know nothing of programing...). Could we expect the OS to keep getting faster as code gets more streamlined? If so, I'm onboard for many years to come.

Hell, what am I talking about? I'll be with Apple forever.

[Ryan1524]

Originally posted by baby duck monge
i'm under the impression that there is a built-in feature that lets you lock/encrypt your home directory. is there anything similar that lets you just do that to a folder of your choice (other than the home directory)?

maybe they don't put 'FileVault' on a separate button and combined it in the Security section.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by DreaminDirector
I too admit I'm a bit spoiled with hardware (dual 1.25 with GF4 Ti Card & TiBook 800), but I felt that OSX could be faster. It definitely wasnt as fast as OS9. What changed between Jaguar and Panther? Better code for Quartz? (forgive me, I know nothing of programing...). Could we expect the OS to keep getting faster as code gets more streamlined? If so, I'm onboard for many years to come.

Hell, what am I talking about? I'll be with Apple forever.

everything, to my knowledge, was quite streamlined. This will allow even much older macs (like old, crt imacs with slower G3 procs) to run OSX, where with Jaguar, they could not because Quartz Extreme was a resource hog.

[mac15]

Originally posted by DreaminDirector
wait wait wait... Panther feels fast than OS 9?

I was just on my old computer (dual 450) that had OS 9 and it felt alittle snappier than OSX running on my Dual 1.25.

If this is true, I'm gonna try and be first in line for Panther's release....


I'm serious, windows and stuff like flicking through tabs in the system prefs are way faster than OS9, so much more smoother.

[simX]

Originally posted by mac15
I'm serious, windows and stuff like flicking through tabs in the system prefs are way faster than OS9, so much more smoother.

While I don't doubt that Panther is faster than Jaguar in many respects, I'll believe this "fast as Mac OS 9" stuff when I finally install the release version of Panther and see for myself if it's true. I've heard it too many times, before. :rolleyes: (Not that I'm bashing Mac OS X or anything, and I would rather use Mac OS X 10.1 over Mac OS 9, but the speed of Mac OS 9 is going to be hard to reach.)

What are you running Panther on? I'm curious how it would do on a computer like mine.

[Ptitboul]

Originally posted by Ryan1524
maybe they don't put 'FileVault' on a separate button and combined it in the Security section.
Do you know what are the technical specifications of FileVault? "AES128" is not sufficient to assess the actual security of encryption.

[mac15]

I'm serious about this, the UI is indeed faster. I'm on a slower computer than you , I have a 700mhz FP iMac with 512mb Ram.

I know people said jaguar was faster than OS9, but really it wasn't

[tomf87]

Originally posted by mac15
I'm serious about this, the UI is indeed faster. I'm on a slower computer than you , I have a 700mhz FP iMac with 512mb Ram.

I know people said jaguar was faster than OS9, but really it wasn't

-mac15

How about resizing windows on your iMac? I have an 800 17" iMac and resizing windows in 10.2 is sloooow...

[cb911]

i really like the new look of panther... and the new Apple logo is sweeet!!:D

Panther will look *very* nice on the new PowerBooks and PowerMacs! :D

[mac15]

Originally posted by tomf87
-mac15

How about resizing windows on your iMac? I have an 800 17" iMac and resizing windows in 10.2 is sloooow...

its much better with 10.3, not like super smooth but it not like your gonna sit there and resize windows like made is it?

[tomf87]

Originally posted by mac15
its much better with 10.3, not like super smooth but it not like your gonna sit there and resize windows like made is it?

No, but I really wish it were as fast as Windows.. Ack! Did I say that?

[cr2sh]

I think I'm catching some sort of panther fever.. the more I look at the shots and hear people chatter about it.. yeh, I'm getting excited now.

[FredAkbar]

How does the Jag-->Panther speed increase compare to the Puma-->Jag increase?

[F/reW/re]

Did thoose ugly stripes return on the top window-bar?
Or are they there because the window is not in focus?

[Miki]

Hi G5orBust! I was wondering if you could post this new Aqua background which comes with Panther, or post a link if you have one. I would like to freshen my desktop a bit. Thanx in advance!

[mrjamin]

what version of Apache/PHP come bundled with it?

[razorme]

Originally posted by tomf87
No, but I really wish it were as fast as Windows.. Ack! Did I say that?


Windows (NT anyways) does the resizing in an inferior way. It doesn't seem to treat a window like it is on its own layer, like OS X. If one of my Windows apps locks up, it leaves a big grey block where the window was, and I can't get rid of it - OS X doesn't do that. I much prefer the OS X method.

[mj_1903]

I most definitely prefer the quartz method of resizing windows, much better than XP.

As for the speed, the reason is three fold, and this is based off my research, so it may not be 100% correct (but I'm a developer, so at least I know most of it is).

- GCC 3.3 - It has a new method of arranging the instructions for a PPC processor (G3, G4, G5) which has brought about a massive performance boost (bigger than from 2.9.5 to 3.1 in my testing). This should only become better as time progresses and Apple keeps adding optimizations to the compiler.
- Quartz - From my research Apple spent a considerable amount (read 20%) of all the OS teams resources on making quartz faster and less of a memory hog. They have improved the window buffering time, the drawing to the screen time and lowered the GPU requirements when handling windows. Window resizing is faster (most definitely in the Finder) but not 'that' fast as to write home about it. Its most definitely an improvement over 10.1 speeds, but not as much as 10.2. (This is from testing on a GeForce 4MX and GeForce 4 Go). Quartz also seems to handle separate drawing threads better, in that a user interface element in Jaguar could drag down the entire interface if it was needing to be redrawn a lot, now that seems to be improved and negated.
- Memory Management - As far as I can tell, the handling of the cache and RAM has improved drastically. Mac OS X now keeps a handy 12-20mb of RAM free for instantaneous tasks when its nearing the max amount of RAM which has the advantage of improving the perceived performance of the interface markeably as the machine gets bogged down. Also, applications that are not being used are handled much better in the cache allowing the applications you are using to perform to their full potential. Overall everything is snappier from these improvements.

I think this is a good example as to what all these changes have done...on my PowerBook 867, iTunes 4 in Jaguar uses are 12-14% CPU based on my normal work usage (EQ and sound enhancement on). In Panther, it uses 7-9%, a drastic increase in performance with little to no code changes.

I hope this assists everyone.

Mat

[MrMacMan]

Can you post a picture of the security and eposé in the system prefs?

Thanks.

[e-coli]

Does FontBook work with all the Adobe Apps without having to quit them and restart the program?

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by Miki
Hi G5orBust! I was wondering if you could post this new Aqua background which comes with Panther, or post a link if you have one. I would like to freshen my desktop a bit. Thanx in advance!

here you are:http://www.macsnaps.com/snaps/desktop/1065566503.jpg

Image hyperlinked so people dont have to wait forever to load the thread.

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here is exposé

[G5orbust]

here is security:

[DreaminDirector]

Hey G5orBust, does exposé support dual monitors? (i dunno if you know, I just wanted to ask....)

[Catfish_Man]

On a dual 867 G4 with 7B80 and 512MB of ram speed is "OS-9ish", but I'm not at all certain it's as fast as OS9 (in UI responsiveness. If you count the lags in OS9 due to poor multitasking, it's a good deal faster for most real world uses).

As for why it's faster:
New compiler (as stated above, although I would hardly describe the speed increase in GCC3.3 as "drastic"), more optimized code (its a lot better about figuring out which parts of a window actually have to be redrawn when something changes, for example. Text handling was especially heavily optimized), a mysterious technology called "2d on Quartz Extreme" (note: this is NOT the same as Quartz Extreme), and assorted other things (massively better PDF code sped up Preview a TON for example).

[Dr. No]

Are the stripes back?? I thought that Panther had a new "professional look."

Apple's own website shows Panther w/o stripes on the title bar.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by DreaminDirector
Hey G5orBust, does exposé support dual monitors? (i dunno if you know, I just wanted to ask....)

As much as I want to walk downstaris to grab my 90lb CRT monitor to test....

But, yes, I believe it does support dual monitors. Im not exactly sure where I heard that, though, so dont, necessarily, take my word as truth.

Ill try and find you a definite answer soon.

[Dr. No]

...But if you go to Spymac.com, you see a different theme (w/o stripes)...

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56158&papass=&sort=1&thecat=998

Is there a way to change the theme??

[DreaminDirector]

Thanks G5orbust.

Dr. No asks an interesting question. Is Panther themeable? I never trusted Duality or any of those other themers (low level mods just plain scare the crap out of me....), but if Panther came with a way to Theme certain aspects of it, that, IMHO, would be awesome.

then again, I'm sure we would have seen or heard about it on the earlier developer builds...

[Chris61]

What kind of scanner support is there in Panther? I recall seeing a screenshot with a scanner tab in Image Capture.

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by Chris61
What kind of scanner support is there in Panther? I recall seeing a screenshot with a scanner tab in Image Capture.

here you are: