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BlizzardWolf
Apr 11, 2008, 01:01 PM
When will there be resolution independence for mac os x?
imo the text size overall is too small to read... and if you make the resolution smaller, everything is blurry... so hopefully resolution independence will come out soon

p.s. doesn't Vista have resolution independence??



heatmiser
Apr 11, 2008, 01:29 PM
When will there be resolution independence for mac os x?

Maybe by 10.6. It was supposed to be in 10.5. We're still waiting.


imo the text size overall is too small to read... and if you make the resolution smaller, everything is blurry... so hopefully resolution independence will come out soon

Agreed. See sig.


p.s. doesn't Vista have resolution independence??

Yes. So did XP.

Kilamite
Apr 11, 2008, 02:07 PM
Mind that using anything other than the native resolution on an LCD panel will look ugly and out of focus.

Belly-laughs
Apr 11, 2008, 02:14 PM
Mind that using anything other than the native resolution on an LCD panel will look ugly and out of focus.

Not when independent.

lofight
Apr 11, 2008, 02:36 PM
Well, some clever people have found some RI features in leopard
my thread about it : http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=462851
Macthemes2.net thread: http://macthemes2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16785065&p=1

Kilamite
Apr 11, 2008, 02:37 PM
Not when independent.

No - it is just a downside to LCD displays. Was merely just saying that resolution independence won't help LCD's display stuff better when not using the native resolution.

Eric5h5
Apr 11, 2008, 02:51 PM
Maybe by 10.6. It was supposed to be in 10.5.

It's in 10.5. It's just not activated by default, because most programs still don't play well with it...they work, but not everything looks the way it should. You can activate it manually, but expect breakage.

Yes. So did XP.

Neither Vista nor XP has resolution independence. Just being able to change the font size doesn't cut it. The potential is there in Vista's rendering engine, but it's not used.

--Eric

heatmiser
Apr 11, 2008, 03:26 PM
It's in 10.5. It's just not activated by default, because most programs still don't play well with it...they work, but not everything looks the way it should. You can activate it manually, but expect breakage.

It doesn't work the way it's intended to, which means it isn't a feature yet. By your measure, RI was also in 10.4.


Neither Vista nor XP has resolution independence. Just being able to change the font size doesn't cut it. The potential is there in Vista's rendering engine, but it's not used.


It might not be RI, but DPI scaling has been supported in Windows since XP. Vista's looks better than XP's does, and both work as intended.

Soulstorm
Apr 11, 2008, 03:39 PM
It might not be RI, but DPI scaling has been supported in Windows since XP. Vista's looks better than XP's does, and both work as intended.

It has been supported, but resolution independence is a whole different matter. Resolution independence means that every little bit of graphics on Leopard can be scaled, including Finder icons. Leopard supports RI. However, the developers don't just yet. There can't be resolution independence without forcing developers to use vector graphics into their applications. For that to happen, some time will pass.

Eric5h5
Apr 11, 2008, 03:48 PM
No - it is just a downside to LCD displays. Was merely just saying that resolution independence won't help LCD's display stuff better when not using the native resolution.

The point of resolution independence is that you never have to use anything other than native resolution for any reason.

It doesn't work the way it's intended to, which means it isn't a feature yet.

The fact that the foundation is there means most of the work is done. So it's reasonable to expect that it will be enabled closer to sooner than later.

--Eric

heatmiser
Apr 11, 2008, 04:02 PM
It has been supported, but resolution independence is a whole different matter. Resolution independence means that every little bit of graphics on Leopard can be scaled, including Finder icons. Leopard supports RI. However, the developers don't just yet. There can't be resolution independence without forcing developers to use vector graphics into their applications. For that to happen, some time will pass.

Agreed. There are also several Apple applications they'll need to smooth out, as a number of them continue to function incorrectly at scales above or below 100%.


The fact that the foundation is there means most of the work is done.

Certainly. But this doesn't change the fact that Leopard still doesn't have RI. It's closer to having it than Tiger was, but it's not nearly done. Apple hasn't even finished drawing the Finder correctly.

Kilamite
Apr 11, 2008, 04:12 PM
The point of resolution independence is that you never have to use anything other than native resolution for any reason.

Yes - but my original point is that resolution independence will not let the LCD display be clearer when not using the native resolution, which the OP queries.