Price Of Jaguar

[fuge]

Does anyone have a clue as to whether there will be a charge for JAGUAR?

I read some article that talked about the price not being determined yet. I was under the impression that it would be a free upgrade but I have been wrong before...once before.:D

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[Beej]

There has been no word from Apple, and I haven't spoken to anyone who claims to know. I know there was a thread on this a few days ago, but I can't find it for the life of me. Perhaps some kind soul will be able to find the link...

[Mr. Anderson]

With all the media and hype they've surrounded it with, I'll bet you its going to cost us. Not that we won't line up with our wallets in hand, dumping bills into their coffers, asking how much with big silly grins on our faces.:D

[AmbitiousLemon]

see this thread for discussion:

link (http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=5140)

[Beej]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
see this thread for discussion:

link (http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=5140) Ah, there's our kind soul. I knew there was one around here somewhere! :p

[Beej]

Originally posted by dukestreet
With all the media and hype they've surrounded it with, I'll bet you its going to cost us. Not that we won't line up with our wallets in hand, dumping bills into their coffers, asking how much with big silly grins on our faces.:D LOL! Speak for yourself! There's no silly grin to be had on my face! :D Oops... perhaps there is... :D Yep, there is. :D :D :D

[TyleRomeo]

i heard its a $20 upgrade and probably around $100 for new users.

[Macmaniac]

That sound like the price, I bet it will be $25 upgrade or $110 for first time users, but I'm not sure how they would do that, It usually is just 1 price.

[kevinibook]

Jaguar pricing will probably be around the 20 $ range. Not more because there's a limit to how much ppl are willing to pay for just an uprade. But first time user pricing will probably stay the same (129USD).

[swahilibill]

The 10.1 upgrade cost around 20 if I am no mistaken. I talked to an pple store guy named Matt, kinda a friend of mine and he had that look in his eyes that said "there is not much longer to wait". I don't know, I guess thats the look that they al have just to fool us, I just really want to try out thatRendevous thing.

[dantec]

Originally posted by swahilibill
The 10.1 upgrade cost around 20 if I am no mistaken. I talked to an pple store guy named Matt, kinda a friend of mine and he had that look in his eyes that said "there is not much longer to wait". I don't know, I guess thats the look that they al have just to fool us, I just really want to try out thatRendevous thing.

Um... maybe this was only in Switz, but 10.1 here was free. Show a coupon and you could walk out with one. Me and kevinibook share that experience... (I was sooo greedy and took 2 coupons & got two upgrades. It turns out 2 hours later they ran out... :D)

I think 10.2 will cost around $20, or if not free!

[Sun Baked]

Depends if Apple decides to call it 10.2 or 10.5?

It's about time that Apple came out with a major OS version, this may be it.

So we should most likely expecting the 10.5 designation and the full package price, it has been a while since OS X first came out.

It would be nice to have one more major upgrade, but this really should be a hint of how Apple is going to be handling the Unix upgrade/version cycles.

But if this is the next OS version, I wonder what Jobs is keeping from the public eye.

[AlphaTech]

It will either be free (IF you have the coupons) or $20 for people that want to oder the update cd from Apple (cost of shipping and the cd). People that are not updating from 10.1.x might have to get the full version.

It still works out better then updating to the current version of windblows. IF you build your own system there, the cheapest you can get a modern OS is about $200. Then if you want to update to hexpee (why you would is beyond me) expect to pay about $200-$300 again.

Compared to that Even if Apple charges ~$100 for Jaguar, it will be cheap.

[Billicus]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Depends if Apple decides to call it 10.2 or 10.5?

It's about time that Apple came out with a major OS version, this may be it.

So we should most likely expecting the 10.5 designation and the full package price, it has been a while since OS X first came out.

It would be nice to have one more major upgrade, but this really should be a hint of how Apple is going to be handling the Unix upgrade/version cycles.

But if this is the next OS version, I wonder what Jobs is keeping from the public eye.

I certainly hope not. :( :rolleyes: This practice out of Apple would hopefully go the way of the dodo, if it pulled such a stunt. I hope Apple doesn't pull that yet. OS X isn't a complete operating system yet, and as so, they shouldn't do that. Well, at least it's going to be a great update. :D

[Macette]

i think they won't jump to 10.5, because that knocks out a whole lot of potential Xs... i mean, they've got this logo and all the marketing hype around 'X', so they don't want to find themselves having to use XI or 11 just because they went too fast through the 'x's...

[AmbitiousLemon]

that and all the betas have said 10.2 on them.

only thing that makes me wonder is how apple set their lawyers on people referring to jaguar as 10.2, but that could mean anything i 'spose.

[Choppaface]

my 10.1 upgrade CD from compusa was free, so I guess it varies from store to store. I think a few others said that their CompUSAs were handing them out for free

[mmmdreg]

I was under the impression that it would be free since all previous upgrades to any OS was free (I thought)...
BTW Beej...what are you doing in Spain? I thought you were here in Australia...i just noticed that after watching your avatar...:)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Choppaface
my 10.1 upgrade CD from compusa was free, so I guess it varies from store to store. I think a few others said that their CompUSAs were handing them out for free

That was 'while supplies last' the compusa closest to me only had a limited number of 'free' copies to give out and that was on a 'first come' basis. I would imagine that Apple stores would have more of those, provided you bring in the coupons that came with your system, or the OS purchase.

[britboy]

Originally posted by AlphaTech

That was 'while supplies last' the compusa closest to me only had a limited number of 'free' copies to give out and that was on a 'first come' basis. I would imagine that Apple stores would have more of those, provided you bring in the coupons that came with your system, or the OS purchase.


At MicroAnvika in London, you could take in a blank cd, and they would burn the 10.1 upgrade for you there and then. Perhaps they would do the same again.

I'd be delighted if the upgrade was free (or if you just had to use a coupon). I'll pay for it if need be, but if it's free, all the better.

[AmbitiousLemon]

you can almost be assured that this will be a pai(n)d upgrade for everyone.

the 10.1 upgrade was free if you got a disc early on. if not then you could pay $10 (basically the price of the disc and shipping).

apple basically felt that it was too early to charge when 10.1 came out.

one of teh reasons 10.2 has been so long in coming is that apple wanted to wait until they could make some money on the upgrade. apple has been giving us free upgrades for a LONG time now, this has been very generous of them, i think its time we paid for something.

anyone who has taken a peek at jaguar knows that this is a BIG update. clearly bigger than the 10.1 update. it is more like moving from PB to 10.1. it will be well worth the funds. and apple deserves to be paid for what they have done.

if you know me you know i am very into free software, but i will say quite honestly that i think apple will deserve some money for this upgrade so lets please stop being unreasonable and greedy.

if the $ makes you :( then just think of all you are getting :)

peace yo

[hvfsl]

It would be about time for Apple to charge for an upgrade, 10.1.5 is pretty stable and fast, and can do most things I want it to do.

But if anyone feels Apple should not charge, Windows ME caused more problems than it added feactures and it is the same for XP. Microsoft even charged for the upgrade from Win98 to Win98se. My PC friends have often commented on how generious Apple is on Updates. No other OS or program I know of is this generious.

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by hvfsl
It would be about time for Apple to charge for an upgrade, 10.1.5 is pretty stable and fast, and can do most things I want it to do.

But if anyone feels Apple should not charge,

Maybe we should make a poll of it?

Windows ME caused more problems than it added feactures and it is the same for XP.

Now, I'm afraid I have to disagree on that one. Yes, the update 98-->Me was a stupid one, which caused more problems, but the update to XP is a BIG step for Microsoft, giving the enduser a stable operating system.

A pity it's so ugly.

k.

[big]

I'll pay $20 for it, that's about it though. Especially since I just purchised another laptop. let's poll it!

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by McFreggle
Now, I'm afraid I have to disagree on that one. Yes, the update 98-->Me was a stupid one, which caused more problems, but the update to XP is a BIG step for Microsoft, giving the enduser a stable operating system.

A pity it's so ugly.



For peecee operating systems, you couldn't give me 98, me, or hexpee. I have win2k on the game system and it is very stable (for windows), not too ugly and at least behaves (most of the time). I picked up an OEM copy of win2k when I was building the system, since I was the manufacturer of the computer. Since I did pay about $170 for it (makes full OS X 10.1 seem cheap) I refuse to spend the $300 to "upgrade" to hexpee.

IF I could get a hold of a cheap copy of hexpee I MIGHT consider giving it a shot. That has about as much chance as a snowball in hell though.

[Sun Baked]

Remember how much Apple wanted to charge for OS 10.1, and the resulting marketing fiasco.

Apple relented and released OS 10.1 as a low cost upgrade and made it available free at select stores.

Somehow I don't think it'll work a second time with Jaguar, since there are enough "new" features in this OS product to make it a full ticket charge.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Remember how much Apple wanted to charge for OS 10.1, and the resulting marketing fiasco.

Apple relented and released OS 10.1 as a low cost upgrade and made it available free at select stores.

Somehow I don't think it'll work a second time with Jaguar, since there are enough "new" features in this OS product to make it a full ticket charge.

I went and picked up the full retail version of OS X (10.1) and paid the ~$130. Considering how it came with two OS's (9.2 and 10.1) as well as the developers cd, it was a bargain. M$ only gives you the OS, and MAYBE a SP with it (if you are lucky).

Value for the dollar, the Mac OS still beats m$ to a bleeding pulp. Apple is your friend, while m$ makes you it's biatch. :D

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Macette
i think they won't jump to 10.5, because that knocks out a whole lot of potential Xs... i mean, they've got this logo and all the marketing hype around 'X', so they don't want to find themselves having to use XI or 11 just because they went too fast through the 'x's...

Well, I don't think they'll do that. Since currently it's "MacOS X v10.1.5", logically the next major version would not be "MacOS XI" or "MacOS 11" but rather "MacOS X v11.0". I don't get why they chose that, but then again I'm not Apple, sooo...

[rugby]

I talked to my Apple rep and they specifically said that Jaguar for client and server would be paid updates. No price was set yet, but they would let me know as soon as they knew anything.

[kevinibook]

The price depends. In Switzerland the 10.1 upgrade was free. And in the States it was 19.95. It's up to Apple's sometimes strange marketing people to decide what the price is, where.

[kevinibook]

Is this an apple rep in the USA? or some other place?

[Nipsy]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


For peecee operating systems, you couldn't give me 98, me, or hexpee. I have win2k on the game system and it is very stable (for windows), not too ugly and at least behaves (most of the time). I picked up an OEM copy of win2k when I was building the system, since I was the manufacturer of the computer. Since I did pay about $170 for it (makes full OS X 10.1 seem cheap) I refuse to spend the $300 to "upgrade" to hexpee.

IF I could get a hold of a cheap copy of hexpee I MIGHT consider giving it a shot. That has about as much chance as a snowball in hell though.

Gotta love M$. I didn't think XP Pro was $300, so I went and looked ($299 full, $199 upgrade).

Here's the really cool part: now that were halfway through 2002, M$ is selling Windows 98 for the swell price of just $209 ($10 more than XP home). Talk about ******** schools and charities that are distributing the older PCs that are abandoned as 'obsolete'. A PII 266 is a great email/web machine, for a new user/student/poor household, but thanks to M$ the $75 PC needs a $209 OS.

I can't get over how much they scr*w people. Makes me wanna be one of their lawyers, so at least I can scr*w them back!

Oh yeah, and Jaguar should be $19.95, back On Topic

[merman637]

honestly i dont know where some of you guys get your ideas....
X.1 was a free upgrade....free from any local apple dealer....initially you couldnt download from the site so if you wanted it directly from apple you had to pay $19.95 for CD and shipping ....then about 1 week later(as i remember) it was then offered on the website....otherwise you could get any of the local dealers to make you a copy of the cd for free(if you brought them a cd).....the only thing was you had to have a previous version of X(obviously) otherwise (from 9.1.1)it was just like ordering a new Operating system $129(and you get 9.2 to boot!)

:confused:
honestly

[rugby]

I am in chicago, and this information was fairly new as she was fairly confident in it. Apple will charge an update fee for the OS.

What does 10.1 have to do with 10.2? Just because 10.1 was a free update in no way shape or form guarantees Jaguar will be free also.

Oh, and I really don't like people who think they know everything calling me a moron. Especially ones who think they could download the 10.1 update from Apple's website.;) It was never available as a download from their site unless you were a developer.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by rugby
Especially ones who think they could download the 10.1 update from Apple's website.;) It was never available as a download from their site unless you were a developer.

True, only the updates TO 10.1 have been available for download. You still need to get the cd with 10.1 on it. OS X 10.1 was too large to be available as a download, which is why it was available ONLY on cd. 10.1 isn't even available to AASP members, as a download.

I would hope that Apple does something similar to what they did for the 10.1 update for 10.2 (or whatever Jaguar is). Bring in the coupons from your recent system purchase and get the new OS for either free, or $20 (US). If you are going from 10.0.x, then expect to pay the full deal.

[merman637]

it is true that the download was not available from the website (i admit in my hasty typing i forgot to think about the update that occured around 6 months ago) however as i remember it was offered and still is as a free upgrade ($19.95 was for cd cost and shipping) and a cd could/can be made at any local apple dealer...............BTW i wasnt specifically calling you a moron...i just was wondering who actually paid to get a free update!!??

[Sun Baked]

We have gotten a lot of mileage out of our 129 investment so far, is about time for another round of Apple OS taxes.

[dantec]

There is some discrepancy about Switzerland. No, it was not free all over Switzerland. Only at Apple centers (because we have no official Apple retail stores), until supply ran out. Some Apple centers even refused to give it to you the first day, because they wanted to 'install and upgrade their existing stockpile of machines'.

I don't think Apple can really charge for 10.2. What is 10.2. going to bring us??? Q,E, iChat, a new address book, sherlock. Not a enough in my book to qualify as a whole priced upgrade!

[rugby]

Originally posted by dantec

I don't think Apple can really charge for 10.2. What is 10.2. going to bring us??? Q,E, iChat, a new address book, sherlock. Not a enough in my book to qualify as a whole priced upgrade!

There's quite a bit more than what you list here.

[dantec]

Originally posted by rugby


There's quite a bit more than what you list here.

So what...

[AlphaTech]

It's pointless to try and guess if Jaguar/OS X 10.2 or whatever it is going to be called is going to be a paid update or not. I would venture to say that it will be, but I don't know how much they will be charging. It could be the same as for 10.1, even if you had 10.0.x, to get the full retail item, you paid retail price. The free, or less cost, updates didn't have the developers cd with them (in the cases I have heard about at least). You got the TWO OS's and that was all.

IF Apple offers free updates to anyone that has the proper coupons, if they bring a blank cd or no, then great. Otherwise, there will be more then enough improvements in the next release of OS X to warrant paying for the update (if you want to, if not, then keep what you have and STOP b*tching about it :rolleyes: ).

Take a look at all of the updated features of the next release of OS X, and then tell me it's not worth paying some money to get the features. IF they are not important to you, keep what you have.

[gopher]

My local CompUSA's Apple employee still passes out the free update. It includes only an update CD to 10.1, and an update CD to 9.2.1. No developer tools.

I also purchased a 10.1 update from Apple's store for $20. This came with the full 9.2.1 bootable CD (the free wasn't bootable), and a 10.1 update CD, and a 10.1 developers tools.

I suspect the 10.1 full CD if purchased today will include 10.1.3, 9.2.2, Developer tools, and iPhoto, as I've seen boxes including iPhoto in the Apple Store in Tyson's Corner.

[rugby]

What?


Originally posted by dantec


So what...

[dantec]

Originally posted by rugby
What?




Nevermind, I just would think 10.2. would contain much less that 10.1.

So with 10.2. we are getting:
iChat
Address book
Sherlock 3
Spam filter for mail
Rendezvous
Fast find
Quartz Extreme
QT 6
Universal Access
Inkwell
and Unix printer drivers

Is it just me or did 10.1. offer more?

[dantec]

Come to think of it, maybe not...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by dantec
Is it just me or did 10.1. offer more?

You forget about the improvements to the core of the OS... Bundle that with all the other updates, and you get a good package... I almost feel sorry for you if you can't see that...

[mmmdreg]

I'm predicting that it will be free and if not, I'll just get it when I get a new computer..

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by mmmdreg
I'm predicting that it will be free and if not, I'll just get it when I get a new computer..

Sounds like a bit of an expensive way to get the OS update. :D

Depending on when we start seeing new Mac's roll into where I work, I might wait until one comes with it ad then use that version at home. Then again, I might not wait that long, and I also could probably get it for a low price from an Apple store since I purchased a system that came with 10.1.4 on it and I kept the OS coupons...

Only time will tell when Apple will release it, and how much it will cost (for update and new purchase).

[amnesiac1984]

i bought a TiBook 400mhz last summer. From the apple store, it took weeks and weeks to arrive. Then it arrived on the very day that apple announced the 550/667 mhz TiBooks.

I mean how about that for bad luck!!!

Anyway, my system came with 10.0.3 install disk, (OSX was not installed, even tho it should have been). I also got a 10.1 upgrade CD, a 9.1 Install disk and a 9.2.1 upgrade CD.
I recieved no developer tools CD ROM for either 10.0 or 10.1, is this right?


I also have OS coupons (I'm not sure if they are still valid but i doubt it)

[King Cobra]

amnesiac, it sounds like you got a little more than screwed. My 10.1 kit came with 9.2.1 and developer tools.

Tough break on the belated reception of the powerbook.

Now, who is this guy Murhpy anyways? :)

[firewire2001]

imho, i agree with several other users...

Jaguar seems to have a lot more features packed into it vs. 10.1 which basically only included a speed upgrade... vs stuff like inkwell and quartz which are projects at apple which have probably been going on for a while.

therefore, i think that jaguar will be a paid upgrade for everyone... and because of this the price could possibly be cheaper, because more people are paying for it... but its hard to tell.. i think we'll have to wait on the price.

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Originally posted by dantec


Um... maybe this was only in Switz, but 10.1 here was free. Show a coupon and you could walk out with one. Me and kevinibook share that experience... (I was sooo greedy and took 2 coupons & got two upgrades. It turns out 2 hours later they ran out... :D)

I think 10.2 will cost around $20, or if not free!

You're not the only one that got it free. I got mine for free. I didn't even have to show a coupon or an OSX box. They just gave it to me at the Reseller store. I think after a couple months that's when they decided to sell them.... kind of weird but people bought.

I say, Jaguar should be free for anyone who currently has 10.1

[dantec]

My friend was also unfortunate. Got his 550 powerbook 2 days before the new models were launched. Anyway, he got 9.2.2. OS 10.1.4 (the special build eMacs had) AND a developers CD.