MS, Sony or Nintendo - which E3 presentation sucked the hardest?

[benmrii]

Too many random discussions within threads specifically devoted to one presentation. So here you go: vote, discuss and compare their awfulness.

I feel that Nintendo was the worst. If a picture is worth a thousand words, I'll spare you about that many:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x171/olimariOA/blah3.gif
Credit to Sky Blue for the find or creation.

As the primary announcer she was sensationally annoying. Apparently the new buzz words are "cute" and "smiling," and her smile and presence came across as more drug induced than excited. Also, I get that showing off how easy a product is can be important, but next time maybe let her play the game before she is on stage at E3. Or better yet, just keep her offstage.

Wii Music looks more than a little disappointing. Why I would want to wave my arms around to "play" music when I have no choice of the notes is beyond me.

The two most exciting announcements: a hardware add-on that was actually announced a few days ago and that Zelda and Mario Wii games are being worked on (not a surprise).

Maybe it's because I'm an old-school Nintendo gamer, but I was pretty disheartened. One game that I'll probably buy and two more that I might try if visiting a friend that had them.

[stainlessliquid]

The single interesting thing about the Nintendo one was GTA on DS. And when I say interesting I mean like circus freak interesting. I cant wait to see how bad it looks.

[twistedlegato]

Definitely Nintendo.
They basically revealed NO software. And the ones that they did (aside from Animal Crossing and Wii Sports: Resort) were total rubbish.

The MotionPlus looks amazing, i must admit, but come on Nintendo! Where was that BIG announcement?

[cycocelica]

Finally putting an end to it? :p


I am still going with Sony. As I have stated before, at least the Wii Fit Board can be used for something else now.

What did Sony bring? Video Rentals? Gee what an innovation....

I think a lot of people were hoping for something big from Nintendo after all the rumors. You were expecting too much. That's why you all feel let down.

[BoyBach]

Microsoft brought us their version of the Mii and SingStar.

Nintendo brought us their version of Rock Band-lite.

Sony brought us their version of the Top Gear TV show & lots of pre-rendered nonsense.

I don't remember feeling so depressed about my hobby... :(


The only plus points were the confirmation that the Mario and Zelda teams are "hard at work" and the rather tasty looking Resident Evil 5.

[bluebomberman]

I think a lot of people were hoping for something big from Nintendo after all the rumors. You were expecting too much. That's why you all feel let down.

Agreed. At this point it's pretty clear what each of the big 3 want to do with their consoles. All the sequels further confirm this in my mind.

I must be the only one who isn't sour on Wii Music - people are griping about not being able to select notes but I don't recall being able to do that in Rock Band or Guitar Hero. :confused:

EDIT: I propose banning PowerPoint presentations in favor of LittleBigPlanet presentations!

[Dagless]

I... don't know. Microsoft had the biggest revelation and such but the only game I really cared about at all this E3 was Animal Crossing. But the rest of the presentation was utter cack.

Can't vote. Won't vote!

Mega disappointed with the handheld info. So Nintendo bang on about how great handhelds are doing now but what news did we get? And nothing big from Sony, they've basically killed off the PSP now. There are so many amazing features it could have. Email, a save state function (perfect for handhelds), custom soundtracks across the board (like the 360), hell even give it Trophies. But no. No no no. Give it nothing.

I saw-

Microsoft - Copy copy copy, MEGATON, copy copy copy
Nintendo - New controller thingy, mic, Wii Sports 2, Animal Crossing, BAD PRESENTATION stab stab stab
Sony - Rentals, celebrating PS2 (still?), DeathKillerBigGun videos

[JackAxe]

Even I voted Nintendo. WTF?

Anyone else want to join me in a game of Wii-tea-party?

Stupid developers. At least go back to a time when casual gaming was associated with games like Monkey Island and Eric the Unready. Even Donald Duck's playground was more advanced and more entertaining than some of these new Wii titles.

<]=)

[stainlessliquid]

the 360 and ps3 having Fallout 3 and Mirror's Edge has to count for something, even if they werent officially announced at E3 they finally revealed actual gameplay. They easily had the better third party games which is why I would say Nintendo is the worst.

[Dagless]

I must be the only one who isn't sour on Wii Music - people are griping about not being able to select notes but I don't recall being able to do that in Rock Band or Guitar Hero. :confused:

You couldn't because that would make them real instruments.

EDIT: I propose banning PowerPoint presentations in favor of LittleBigPlanet presentations!
A guy at my college used to make games as presentations. Nothing fancy like, just him with a BT controller at the front of the class. 'Parently he's gone on to study game design at some uni, natch.

[BoyBach]

Can't vote. Won't vote!

Like our politicians tell us: "If you don't vote, you can't complain." ;)

And nothing big from Sony, they've basically killed off the PSP now. There are so many amazing features it could have...

I don't know what you're talking about. They announced a new PSP and Ratchet & Clank bundle...! :rolleyes:

[MacRumorUser]

Nintendo, with the wii selling so well it seems they are growing increasingly complacent of their old loyal fanbase and concentrating too much on the transient gamer.

Whilst it may be bringing in the big $$$ now as it's all very much in fashion, when fashion changes, isolating their original fan base could bite them in the ass in a few years time.


Sony's press conference was meh! at least Microsoft caused a little bit of a stir with the FFXIII announcement, but other than that and a few new nice updates to dashboard etc.. it too was meh!

Actually E3 was a major let down this year really all round.

[Dagless]

^ Yea, us age-old Nintendo gamers aren't going to be fobbed off with "so yea Mario and Zelda teams are working on new games". Good. SHOW US.

[2nyRiggz]

The big 3 was "meh" all around....I don't know who would get excited for the crapfest I just witness. that FFXIII was the biggest thing this E3 and thats kinda sad. Nintendos crap was the weakest this season....I guess their not even trying anymore "Wii/ds prints money so screw yall" attitude.

I'm hoping some nice things get shown tonight and the rest of E3.


I want to see games now...no more bulls**** from N, Sony and MS.


Bless

[bluebomberman]

Nintendo, with the wii selling so well it seems they are growing increasingly complacent of their old loyal fanbase and concentrating too much on the transient gamer.

Have to disagree. They're doing a lot of what Blizzard does: work on a game for years and refuse to kick it out the door just to make the holidays. (Not to say that Nintendo isn't above kicking out unpolished junk. *cough* Barrel Blast *cough.*) This is especially true for Mario, which has only seen 3 flagship games since the premiere of Nintendo 64. A Zelda game takes years to make; Metroid Prime 3 was delayed nearly a year.

I don't see any evidence that we're seeing less hardcore titles. In two years, we've gotten Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Paper Mario, even a Fire Emblem game.

(That said, the coming year is looking a bit dry. So it goes.)

[Jovian9]

Overall this was a pretty bad E3.

However, I voted for Sony b/c there was no announcement to a design change for their controllers.......I'm pretty sure their controller design will be getting it's drivers license pretty soon in the States......... :D

[MacRumorUser]

I don't see any evidence that we're seeing less hardcore titles. In two years, we've gotten Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Paper Mario, even a Fire Emblem game.

(That said, the coming year is looking a bit dry. So it goes.)


Were not just talking first party titles. Look at the wii software library and the evidence is there.

Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario were all mostly gamecube titles ported/enhanced/adapted for wii when development and schedules changed.

So other than SSBM and Mario Galaxy what hardcore stuff do we have to show for two years ?....

[sikkinixx]

*heavy sigh*


*starts waiting till TGS*

[bluebomberman]

Were not just talking first party titles. Look at the wii software library and the evidence is there.

Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario were all mostly gamecube titles ported/enhanced/adapted for wii when development and schedules changed.

So other than SSBM and Mario Galaxy what hardcore stuff do we have to show for two years ?....

Geez, you set the bar incredibly high here. Considering that we get a Zelda game every four years or so and Mario even less frequently, I just don't see how Nintendo can hope to fill E3 each year with AAA+ material. I don't see any more Metroid games on the horizon for a long time, other franchises are kind of stuck in "what do we do with them now" mode, they seem unwilling to establish the next Rare or Silicon Knights, they don't seem keen on outsourcing Starfox and other franchises, and they've had to kill games like Project HAMMER because of major suckage.

This feels a lot like WWDC 2007's keynote. Just because they don't have anything earth-shattering to announce doesn't mean they're ignoring the loyal fan base.

[sikkinixx]

This feels a lot like WWDC 2007's keynote. Just because they don't have anything earth-shattering to announce doesn't mean they're ignoring the loyal fan base.

But they haven't had anything earth-shattering in a long time. They have simply done what they always do: put out the same stable of longtime franchises (although several were simply ported and 'enhanced' cube games). Loyal fans aren't craving Wii Fit, or Wii Sports 2 (although most will buy it), browse any serious gamer message board and 'hardcore' gamers want something new to the table, or maybe some retro rivals ala Capcom, anything that says "Hey! Just because we love milking Soccer moms and grandparents for all they're worth doesn't mean we don't care about you!".

Sony and MS always have something AAA to show, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd party. Nintendo, being the market leader on consoles and handhelds number wise and sales wise, should be able to some up with SOMETHING.

[bluebomberman]

But they haven't had anything earth-shattering in a long time. They have simply done what they always do: put out the same stable of longtime franchises (although several were simply ported and 'enhanced' cube games).

Yeah, we've seen so much originality from Microsoft and Sony's keynotes this year. No, wait, we've seen a lot of sequels and maybe one or two titles that are original.

Again, this feels like all those complaints about Apple making iPods instead of Macs. We haven't seen all that much that's "revolutionary" on the Mac side since they shredded the old Mac OS for OS X. A lot of the stuff instead has been evolutionary. (Apple even made pains to portray the Intel transition as nothing revolutionary by avoiding major redesigns.) So it is with all these game companies milking franchises and making sequels.

EDIT: You know, I'm thinking more and more as I read these threads that maybe I need to have a greater diversity of things I obsess over.

That does it, I'm logging off.

EDIT x2: One more thought: the whining about how Wii Music has no scores. Ugh. If you play like crap, you will sound like crap. Like in real life. (There are no score multipliers in live concerts.) There are valid complaints about Wii Music. (No DLC, I assume.) This isn't one of them.

[Sky Blue]

Nintendo

- Annoying PR Woman
- Carrot Top snowboarding
- Crappy third party
- Crappy first party titles (pokemon, yay!)
- Wii Music: shake your hands about and press random buttons

and that Mario theme performance. There are no words.

[e²Studios]

I thought this really just says it all.

The Console War has changed. It's no longer about quality of games, innovation of hardware, or backward compatibility.
It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by third party developers and advertising corporations.
The Console War - and its consumption of money - has become a well-oiled machine.
The Console War has changed. ID-tagged consoles carry ID-tagged Games, use ID-tagged DLC.
DRM inside their software enhance and regulate their anti-piracy.
Generic control. Information control. Emotion control. Enjoyment control. Everything is monitored and kept under control.
The Console War has changed. The age of innovation and big dreams has become the age of motion control and casual gaming. All in the name of averting bankruptcy from risky software creation.
And he who controls the casuals. Controls the industry. The Console War has changed. When the casuals are under total control, gaming becomes routine.

[gkarris]

Did E3 already happen?

Looks like Apple's iPhone stole the show! :eek:

[Sky Blue]

I stole that gif from GAF. Here's another:

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m455/mappster21/bondwii.gif

[MacHappytjg]

What did Sony bring? Video Rentals? Gee what an innovation....


Sony Brought us a affordable Bluray player :D and great game consol

voted microsoft just because i hate it, but really nintendo deserves the vote, eventhough we might be getting one but mainly because of the wii fit and possibly brain games my mom loves....

[michaelltd]

lol, awesome, e²Studios and Sky Blue. :D

I have yet to watch Nintendo's and Sony's Press Conference.

I guess I'm just happy seeing more Resident Evil 5 and Mirror's Edge, but so far, that's about it. Gears of War 2 was kinda neat. Fallout 3 has gotten my eye.

So, uhh, nothing about Splinter Cell: Conviction? :(

[sikkinixx]

Yeah, we've seen so much originality from Microsoft and Sony's keynotes this year. No, wait, we've seen a lot of sequels and maybe one or two titles that are original.






You are right that Sony and MS don't have original IP's flooding the market, and this E3 was a poor showing, but they are giving their fans what the fans want. More Gears, more God of War, more Final Fantasy, etc. There are some big name original IP's from 3rd party devs for those two consoles like Dead Space or Infinite Undiscovery. It just feels more diversified whereas the Nintendo camp feels like we all just wait between the core 4 franchises.



EDIT: You know, I'm thinking more and more as I read these threads that maybe I need to have a greater diversity of things I obsess over.

That does it, I'm logging off.



And being all elitist is awesome btw, makes you seem like your opinions are worth a lot more than ours.

[nintendude]

+1 for Nintendo doing horrbily

i can't believe i said that i mean look at my username!

maybe this is all a dream and i will wake up to find out that Nintendo just announced the new Mario and Zelda and are ready to pwn microsoft/sony this year

i know the above isn't true, but ima still in step one, denial
(happy thoughts, happy thoughts,.......)

[spyker3292]

Yeah, we've seen so much originality from Microsoft and Sony's keynotes this year. No, wait, we've seen a lot of sequels and maybe one or two titles that are original.

At least the presentation was original. Come on! A 'powerpoint' made in LittleBigPlanet??? Who couldn't like that!?

[bluebomberman]

And being all elitist is awesome btw, makes you seem like your opinions are worth a lot more than ours.

Dude, don't take it personally, I wasn't trying to stick the finger in your face. I just got a headache from all the E3 hoopla and from the realization that I've gotten a lot more worked up discussing games than actually playing games, and that I've spent more time thinking about the games business than about matters of greater importance.

It was a matter of me making my case again and again and then thinking that I should use my brainpower somewhere else before my head explodes.

If that insults you, then we got greater differences than our opinions about E3.

[Dagless]

You are right that Sony and MS don't have original IP's flooding the market, and this E3 was a poor showing, but they are giving their fans what the fans want. More Gears, more God of War, more Final Fantasy, etc. There are some big name original IP's from 3rd party devs for those two consoles like Dead Space or Infinite Undiscovery. It just feels more diversified whereas the Nintendo camp feels like we all just wait between the core 4 franchises.

Thing is we know Nintendo are working on these titles. They just didn't want to announce any details (for whatever stupid reason). We pretty much know, from E3 and interviews yesterday, that there's a new Zelda, a new Galaxy-style game and a new Mario DS title in the works. Sounds like Samus has been put to bed for a while. Kid Icarus is being developed. No word on F-Zero or the rest.

[Chone]

Microsoft brought us their version of the Mii and SingStar.

Nintendo brought us their version of Rock Band-lite.

Sony brought us their version of the Top Gear TV show & lots of pre-rendered nonsense.

I don't remember feeling so depressed about my hobby... :(


The only plus points were the confirmation that the Mario and Zelda teams are "hard at work" and the rather tasty looking Resident Evil 5.

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but I'm SICK to my very core of Mario and Zelda and all these Nintendo franchises, I mean I grew up with this franchises and I've played dozens of games (every version of mario kart, every iteration of mario platforming games, every 2d and every 3d zelda game) but now I'm sick of this, if Nintendo needs these franchises to stay alive then they are going to be in some serious problems. Mario Kart Wii was a clone of the DS game and wasn't too exciting, it actually felt like it came out of an automatic Mario Kart game maker instead of real human beings, Smash Brothers was a clone of Melee though it was pretty good, Galaxy was amazing but mainly because of the setting and the comeback of Mario 64 gameplay, Twilight Princess was good but just a big fat echo to Ocarina of Time.

I don't think I can't stand to play Zelda and Mario for the millionth time.

The worst things is, all these games could (and some can) be played with a regular gamepad and would probably be (some are) much better with it :eek: says a lot about Nintendo's real opinion on the Wiimote.

I love Nintendo but they need to realize Mario and gimmicks are NOT going to last them forever, yeah the Wii is selling great but once the new gen of consoles starts right around 2010-2011 then Nintendo is going to be in a pickle.

MotionPlus add-on? What the hell is that? I can understand if it would be used for better 1:1 mapping but I just find it completely unnecesary, a Wii controller is now nearing a $100 considering the nunchuck and the possible price of this MotionPlus add-on.

Zero love for the DS? Come on Nintendo, that's a perfectly fine handheld and is selling better than ever, surely you can't just go and neglect it and if you are, then release something new, I absolutely adore my DS but the hardware is starting to show it's age, I remember playing games with better graphics on 1994 :confused: and it would all be fine if developers catered to the hardware and released games on 2D with good gameplay or whatever but all they release is console wannabees, GTA: ChinaTown wars? How is that ever going to work? It HAS to be in 2D and 2D GTAs are not that great anyways.

So yeah, it's quite obvious I think Nintendo's presentation was the most dissapointing, I'm sick by their recent attitude of putting gimmicks on everything and luring non-gamers and then trying to satisfy gamers with the same ol' franchises, these guys created Mario and Zelda, they SURELY can come up with a new IP, at this rate my grandsons' childhood games are going to be exactly the same as mine!

You can flame Microsoft and Sony all you want but they are making a lot of stuff happen for their consoles and they are actually bringing something new to the table, extravagant graphics and extensive online experiences might be or might not be as good as the classic days of old but heck at least it's something new and great. Yeah yeah, the Wiimote is "innovative as heck" but Nintendo themselves have proved games are stil just as fun if not better on a traditional gamepad (Smash Brothers, Twilight Princess and Mario Kart Wii anyone?).

Same goes for Capcom's retarded decision to make Megaman 9 8-bit, I'm all for retro since these are games I originally played in their prime but they can't be this lazy, Megamn 9 looks exactly like the NES games I played DECADES ago! If I wanted to play those I would, I don't need companies releasing the ninth game in the series and have it be the same as the first.

And there we go, all vented now ;):):cool::D

P.D: This isn't directly related to BoyBach's quote or directed personally at him, it's just something I quoted to start my post.

[Dagless]

Twilight Princess is better with a controller? Nah, I'd rather go for the better aiming on the Wiimote. Mario Kart? Much more fun with the wheel.

Brawl isn't the kind of game that works well with a motion controller. Just as Wii Sports wouldn't work well with a standard controller.

I'd take them core Nintendo games over all these BigExplosion 8 and SoapOperaDramaFighter 6 (must stop doing these now). I just look at these titles and think that "yea that concept was stolen from an indie game" to "another game for the masses", which usually includes oversized guns, marines, sports licenses et al. Nintendo aren't innocent but I'd take them over the above.

And frankly I'd love to have Mario still going when I've got grandkids. To be able to say "I was playing the first of these games!".

[MacRumorUser]

Twilight Princess is better with a controller? Nah,

I agree with him, for me Twilight Princess was runined by the wii remote control scheme. The horse battles with orcs for example were monuments of sore wrists and laborious chores.

I hated Twilght Princess on the wii so much I paid 'more' for the cube version instead and it made the game play so much better.

[Ja Di ksw]

Considering the topic of this thread, I have to post this link. The second panel in particular made me laugh my a** off.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/16/

Same goes for Capcom's retarded decision to make Megaman 9 8-bit, I'm all for retro since these are games I originally played in their prime but they can't be this lazy, Megamn 9 looks exactly like the NES games I played DECADES ago! If I wanted to play those I would, I don't need companies releasing the ninth game in the series and have it be the same as the first.


Ok, here I have to really disagree with you. My friends and I cannot wait for Megaman 9. I love Megaman, and bringing back this style makes me want to play it even more. It will be a new Megaman game while at the same time providing nostalgia about the hours and hours of fun I had with Megaman 2 (and others). I cannot wait for this.

[zelmo]

It was a very close race between all participants, as nothing both new and fantastic was shown. The only real news was that FF LIX or whatever would no longer be a PS3 exclusive title. Modest announcements about sequels were made, but mostly it was the unveiling of expanded content like movie rentals and TV that are all very nice and certainly add functionality to my console that I might even take advantage of here and there, but where oh where are the freaking games?

In the end, my vote has to go to Nintendo. That being said, I admit to a passing interest in Wii Music and Wii Games Resort.

[takao]

close race .. i would have voted "all three sucked .. hard" .. all in all this E3 will be only remembered for the final fantasy main series going multiplattform

and you gotta love sony for their "innovating and groundbreaking games" talk only to have the first 5 games in the montage being sequels and then talking about video stores


that said the new Madworld footage looks insane ... i can hear the german censors crying tears of joy hundreds of kilometers away

oh and capcom porting dead rising from 360 to wii ? talk about a surprise which went totally under the radar

[2nyRiggz]

I agree with him, for me Twilight Princess was runined by the wii remote control scheme.

I don't know about that...I enjoyed playing TP with the nunchuck + Wiimote...it added a fresh feel to the game. I don't think I would enjoy the game as much as I did(It was very little enjoyment in whole) maybe it was the new "NEW" but it was cool at launch.

Wait wha.....Dead Raising for the wii...yeah go on CAPCOM just milk it dry.

The wii has become the official cow console...just put your old **** on it, add some wobble and out comes the milk.


Bless

[benmrii]

I can't believe I'm gonna say this but I'm SICK to my very core of Mario and Zelda and all these Nintendo franchises, I mean I grew up with this franchises and I've played dozens of games (every version of mario kart, every iteration of mario platforming games, every 2d and every 3d zelda game) but now I'm sick of this, if Nintendo needs these franchises to stay alive then they are going to be in some serious problems.

:eek: Well, from an opinion standpoint I disagree with that pretty hard. I've been gaming since Pitfall, Pong and Karateka and I grew up on Mario and Zelda. To say I'm still fond of them is a pretty big understatement. One of my favorite things about the Wii is being able to play through all of those old games (come on Majora's Mask!) while I wait for the next helping, and I agree with raggedjimmi, the Wii controllers just made Twilight Princess better. Aiming with that puppy was sweet.

But that aside, I think it is pretty clear that Nintendo does not need those franchises to stay alive. They haven't had a new title in years and they didn't even update us on them except to say the next versions are being worked on.

I don't think I can't stand to play Zelda and Mario for the millionth time.

BLASPHEMY! :D

I love Nintendo but they need to realize Mario and gimmicks are NOT going to last them forever, yeah the Wii is selling great but once the new gen of consoles starts right around 2010-2011 then Nintendo is going to be in a pickle.

Aside from not thinking either MS or Sony will release a new console by the end of 2011, I think that the current trends don't support that at all. The Wii is already selling more and is light years behind on power, storage and graphics quality than the 360 or PS3, those systems with the "hottest games." I'll bet Nintendo releases a new console before they do, and upping their power and capabilities will probably have the same effect as it did this time, which is to say lining up behind Nintendo.

Zero love for the DS?

Not sure which presentation you were watching, but the one I saw, the DS got almost as much time devoted to it as the Wii. Sure, for the most part the updates sucked, but that just means it was on par with the Wii. :rolleyes:

[whooleytoo]

I agree with him, for me Twilight Princess was runined by the wii remote control scheme. The horse battles with orcs for example were monuments of sore wrists and laborious chores.

I hated Twilght Princess on the wii so much I paid 'more' for the cube version instead and it made the game play so much better.

I'd have to agree. And I invariably ended up pointing the Wiimote offscreen periodically which gets you jolted out of the immersive game experience.

If it had offered 1:1 motion control it could have been great; but arbitrary gestures (shake controller from left to right to do a spin attack) make no sense, don't improve immersion in the game and take longer and are more difficult to do than hitting a button.

[takao]

oh and gimmicks & party games can totally "win" generations .. as seen by the ps2 in europe where the last 3 years (before the ds + wii took over) it was kept afloat by Singstar ,Eye Toy, Singstar, Buzz and more Singstar

[Dagless]

^ Wrong. Nintendo invented gimmicky casual games, haven't you heard? :rolleyes:

[benmrii]

^ Wrong. Nintendo invented gimmicky casual games, haven't you heard? :rolleyes:

They aren't casual or gimmicky games... they are games that bring a smile to your face! :rolleyes:

[sikkinixx]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/16/



its so true

[ChrisK018]

Whoever is complaining about how Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft is not satisfying the hard core gamer and then goes on about how they are not making another sequel to their favorite pet franchise needs to pipe down.

Have no worries. EA Sports will keep barfing out titles with their slightly innovative new features piled on year after year. Chances are if you want to shoot a zombie, alien, Nazi, robot, terrorist or any combination of them there will be a AAA title new game for you every year. Same goes for car racing sims and fighters filled with hott fighter ladies and their ever-bouncing boobies.

I could probably keep playing Mario games as long as they are made, but I'm excited about Little Big Planet because it's new, innovative, and not some figgin' sequel. Where are the games like that? Okami. Ico. Pikmin. Viva Pinata. Games filled with ideas that I've never seem before a zillion times.

If you're really*that* annoyed that there isn't a new Zelda or Metroid coming out... come on. It's friggin' Nintendo and WE ALL KNOW they take FOREVER and delay their titles over and over again. It will be here eventually and chances are it will be pretty darn cool. Let's all just cross our fingers that maybe this lame E3 conference means the developers are making games full of new ideas instead of all the same predictable dreck we get every year.

I wish...

[nintendude]

maybe sony, microsoft, and nintendo didn't wanna show off the good games till E for All

[nintendude]

to everybody who thinks that Nintendo needs new original games don't forget about Disaster: Day of Crisis and Project H.A.M.M.E.R that accoding to Wikipedia is still in development

[jaw04005]

You have to take E3 into context. If anything, E3 is Microsoft's only major chance during the year to be in the spotlight. They never dominate at Tokyo Game Show or the Game Developer Conference. So, good for Microsoft. The 360 has become as very viable gaming platform. And their announced updates will continue that trend.

As a PS3 owner, I can't help but worry that Sony has major issues. Their press conference did nothing to inspire confidence for either the PS3 or PSP platform. Sony has major challenges ahead. Why can't a conglomerate like Sony launch a movie store with the vast majority of their own studio's titles? Or for that matter their television studio's properties? It's just pathetic. They are always one step behind Microsoft.

As for Nintendo, they announced what I expected them to announce. Nothing more and nothing less. Super Mario Galaxy was released last November. We know it's not time for another Zelda. What did you expect them to do? We got Animal Crossing, Wii Sports 2 and voice chat. Other than announcing additional storage support, the vast majority of Nintendo's main IPs have been released---Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc.

[benmrii]

We know it's not time for another Zelda. ... Other than announcing additional storage support, the vast majority of Nintendo's main IPs have been released---Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc.

All of those you listed have been released for the Wii except Zelda. Twilight Princess is a GameCube game released with a different control matrix for the Wii. Time for a new Zelda to be on the shelves, no. Time for a sneak preview and more information because release is relatively soon, yes.

Not that no Zelda announcement was the only concern, but it definitely a big one.

[drummerbooker14]

Yeah, nintendo sucked. Animal Crossing for their hardcore gamers? Wii music looks rediculous and pointless...

[Miharu]

Animal Crossing didn't even look like a Gamecube game, it looked identical to the N64 original. The Super Mario theme they performed was almost painful to watch, how long will they milk a single theme song? And yes Reggie and the rest made themselves look like idiots. The guy who spoke for Sony was the most comfortable guy to listen to. Of course their show was full of prerendered game concepts.

[JackAxe]

The 1:1 thing has me pretty happy. I just had to watch the LAME videos, but none the less it was impressive.

Capcom's Dead Rising is finally coming to Wii, so I'm pretty stoked about that, especially if they use this new Wiimote update.

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[sikkinixx]

Capcom's Dead Rising is finally coming to Wii, so I'm pretty stoked about that, especially if they use this new Wiimote update.

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I'm wondering how they are compensating for the Wii's lesser power. That game made the 360 chug when hundreds of Zombies filled the screen at once. Granted it was more or less a 1st gen 360 game so with some mega optimizing and SD graphics maybe it will work out?

1:1 with the sledgehammer? or the chainsaw? :D

[JackAxe]

When I first saw a Dead Rising preview, I was at the store that my friend used to manage and both of us had the same thought at once, that a Wii version would be fun.

The Wii will definitely be scaled back, but if they do it right, I don't think it will take too much away from the game. I think if it were being made for the 360 now, It would probably look better and run with very little slowdown. I know that early 360 games relied heavily on the GPU, as developers were figuring out its 3 cores.

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[stainlessliquid]

360 had the undisputed best show but cmon, how can anyone rate Sony as the worst with this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWWbhaZKxM

Thats the most creative way to show financial reports ever.


Nintendo just had this guy

http://larrymadill.com/loldrums.gif

ok forget what I said, Nintendo had the best show

[Ja Di ksw]

Jesus, now I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

[Dagless]

^ I've seen that method done at least twice whilst studying multimedia and design ;) I tried working one into Garry's Mod with massive fail attached.

Annoying at how these companies give us financial and sales reports at E3. Wouldn't that be best saved for a more internally centric show? E3 is about the games, dammit.

[Sky Blue]

Nintendo's e3 conference in a nutshell:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XR7LaJLLf8&fmt=18

[MacRumorUser]

Nintendo's e3 conference in a nutshell:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XR7LaJLLf8&fmt=18

LOL!! Too close to hitting it nail on the head.

[Dagless]

Too close? It was bang on!

Vid reminds me of Cassetteboy, which is never a bad thing.

[2nyRiggz]

No love for The Big N this time around...

Now heres Sony conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf7bNw4u7YU

The lords of E3.


Bless

[KurtangleTN]

Yeah Nintendo's was damn pathetic.

If anyone wants to play music, I found a way how before release.

1. Open up iTunes and play a random song

2. Waggle controller and spin around and crap

Enjoy! :apple:

[MacHappytjg]

since xbox just came out with netflix the ps store just came out with movies and tv shows just wanted to point that out there..

[dubs]

Honestly, it seems as if Nintendo wants to sell hardware and peripherals only now. With the new Wii Resort or whatever you need to buy the "motion plus" attachment, granted one comes with the game, but if you want to play with your friends you'll have to buy more. With the balance board for snowboarding/skating games that are coming out, it really seems as if they are content to push the peripherals rather than new software. Don't get me started on Animal Crossing, when I first saw that in their presentation I thought, wow that's a good looking DS game, then it was announced for the Wii. The only thing that remotely interests me coming for the Wii is the Mad World game by Sega, that looked really interesting, albeit aimed to a more mature audience.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with the penny arcade strip.

[MacRumorUser]

The only thing that remotely interests me coming for the Wii is the Mad World game by Sega, that looked really interesting, albeit aimed to a more immature audience.


Corrected that for you :p

[dubs]

Corrected that for you :p

Zing!

It's obvious that animal crossing and mad world are not being marketed towards the same demographic. I will concede that over the top violence does tend to appeal to more immature gamers. However, the art style used in Mad World is interesting, and if nothing else it's a new IP for the Wii, which some would argue they are in desperate need of.

[MacRumorUser]

, which some would argue they are in desperate need of.

God yeah! The way they are killing off big IP's at nintendo is shocking.. No Pilotwings... No WaveRacer anymore (going on comments that the closest we will get to it is the level in Wii Resort) ... and probably no F-Zero :(




edit... from EuroGamer

Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata thinks predicting how long a console will last for is "nonsense".

He believes hardware should only be rethought when developers can no longer innovate on it.

And release lots and lots of add ons

"Deciding upon a certain time period that someone can sell is becoming a nonsense," Iwata told the BBC, referencing Sony's 'ten-year plan'.

"After all, the primary concern for me is not to let consumers purchase hardware but to enjoy software.

Even if they do have to buy lots and lots of add ons


"Having said that, however hard our software developers try create new unprecedented titles with great ideas eventually there'll be a day when developers say they have no more means with the hardware, that's exactly the time we need to introduce people to new hardware," added Iwata.

in the guise of more add ons ......

[benmrii]

Nintendo's e3 conference in a nutshell:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XR7LaJLLf8&fmt=18

Honestly... that is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Wow...

My addition, lame in comparison:

"Before we release our core games and target our hardcore gamers (the one who have made the successful history of Nintendo possible), we're going to focus on our new user base..."

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270909744_cd078aad8f.jpg

[JackAxe]

Please read this post:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25710005/

Q. Following on that, it was a risk to come out with a console that deliberately didn’t court hardcore gamers, and with such a different control scheme — particularly after the GameCube (which enjoyed only moderate success). At what point did you know that the risk had paid off?

A. The first that I’d want to clarify is that the concept that Wii intentionally does not cater to core gamers is probably a misconception, and perhaps one that’s almost a PR tactic used by some of the other companies to paint us as a company that’s not targeting core gamers. But in fact, while we may not be focusing on the high-end graphics and technology that core gamers would typically be drawn to, the types of games we create, and continue to create, are certainly games that people who play games would certainly want to continue playing.

I think that there’s probably one other element to it, and that’s that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where — and certainly Nintendo included — catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.

So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we’re still working on many of those titles, but it’s just not the type of event where we’ll be showcasing that anymore.


Nintendo generally shows their guns in November, so there's no worries.

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[benmrii]

A. The first that I’d want to clarify is that the concept that Wii intentionally does not cater to core gamers is probably a misconception, and perhaps one that’s almost a PR tactic used by some of the other companies to paint us as a company that’s not targeting core gamers. But in fact, while we may not be focusing on the high-end graphics and technology that core gamers would typically be drawn to, the types of games we create, and continue to create, are certainly games that people who play games would certainly want to continue playing.

He can say that, and I'm glad to hear it, but my problem isn't that Nintendo has said they won't be catering to hardcore gamers (since they haven't), my problem is that actions speak louder than words (especially drumset Wii Music actions) and everything they showed at E3 doesn't.

Seems to me he is just trying to play it off. I don't directly equate "high-end graphics and technology" with hardcore gaming. And even if Nintendo has decided to not use E3 as a place that primarily caters to hardcore gamers - as he said later - they should have at least spent more than the 5 seconds they vaguely did. ("Mario and Zelda teams are working." No $***, we didn't think they were on vacation.) Why not at least spend half the time catering to your audience? Safe bet that 95% or more of the people watching E3 - either in person, webcast, or recordings after the fact - are hardcore or serious gamers. I'm genuinely happy that Nintendo has successfully targeted 'new' genres of gamers like older and elderly first time console owners, but dude... they weren't watching.

I realize I'm a bit pessimistic following their E3 presentation, but this article, a few days afterwards, just reads to me like they are trying to make up for their crap keynote.

[whooleytoo]

Please read this post:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25710005/




Nintendo generally shows their guns in November, so there's no worries.

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Isn't it odd though that the question asked about ¨hardcore¨ gamers and he responded, studiously avoiding the phrase ¨hardcore¨?

[JackAxe]

Yeah, because these supposed hard core gamers are nothing more than pampered elitist that thrive on games that are an insult when compared to their PC genealogy. I often call them hard-corn, because it seems to be a bit more accurate. :o I wonder what Miyamoto thinks about them?

Speaking of hardcore, the guy from Wired referred to Animal Crossing in this manor. I guess we all have our definition of this marketing buzzword.

I didn't like Nintendo's E3 showing as a whole, it was rather lame, mainly because it lacked variety, but I was certainly impressed with the 1:1 update, because it changes EVERYTHING. Wii Sports is still a better game than most core games, so if they can pull off this level of play with Wii Resorts, than it will be another great game all around.

I wanted more news about a Zelda etc., but I'll just have to wait until later this year it seems. Last year was rather lame also, so I've grown used to it.

I know that their casual target wasn't watching, but the main-stream media was and they tend to eat up this sort of vomit with a smile. Nintendo was catering to them, not us. But on that note, maybe that's why they were seen playing some of the core games, to show us that they still support this area of gaming?

Look at Capcom. Things were looking pretty gloom with them, as in their games all seemed geared towards a much younger mind. I was certainly worried that I would not see another game like RE4 anytime soon, but they delivered with Dead Rising. I have confidence that Nintendo will do something similar. The only company I've lost all respect for, is UbiSoftz. They can DIE DIE DIE! :mad: *happy thoughts* :)


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[Pigumon]

We're into the 3rd year of new systems, things get watered down at this point, so what. They eventually figure things out and we have some more fun.

It's about time they went more "online community" with Animal Crossing, I just doubt they did enough.

The new motion control will be great, maybe now we can finally putt on a golf green accurately.

and you know all the haters will be buying wii finally just so they can live out their Jedi wet dreams. :p

edit: What's up with hating add-ons? Would you prefer having a controller that isn't improved? They found a way to improve the controller dramatically, and instead of making you buy a whole brand new controller, they make it a less expensive ADD-ON.

SO YEAH, THANK NINTENDO FOR MAKING ADD-ONS.

[Dagless]

I think it's more about them not including the tech from the start. Which might not have been available/affordable back when the Wii launched.

But really I'd prefer them to squeeze it into a new controller. I'd rather keep everything important self contained.

[JackAxe]

If it were cheaper 3 years ago to use this tech, Nintendo would have built it into the Wiimote. I'm pretty sure we'll see new Wiimotes early next year with this installed.

Nintendo would stir up a frenzy of anger if this weren't available as an add-on. Everyone here would be griping up a storm. I would hate to have to replace my 3 Wiimotes, so I'm glad that they thought this through and gave us an upgrade path.

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