What will be in Safari 2.0?

[jholzner]

Well, it's been nearly a year since Apple released Safari. I wonder what will be instore for the browser in 2.0 and when we might see a major update to it. Any ideas?

[bennetsaysargh]

i think it should have increased performance obviously, and maybe UI tweaks like the loading color and everything like that.

[ChrisH3677]

Surely they must release it at MWSF.

I want:

- Download manager improved eg easier to redirect downloads; more info in download list
- https sites to work behind a firewall. This is a must.
- All bookmarks displayable from bookmarks menu

and more that i can't think of now.

:)

edit:
- Resumable downloads with warning when repeating downloads

[Wes]

One thing I think they should fix is when a picture loads on a site and I choose to save it, the picture downloads again, rather than getting it from memory.

[joshuwa72]

I agree about being able to save it from memory.

Also, being able to control-click a picture, and get its 'properties' (dimensions, exact url..ect.) I post pics in forums all the time and it sucks having to 'open pic in new window' then copy the url from the address bar.

And the download window should show how fast its downloading - being a 56k user, I'd keep a watchful eye on that.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by joshuwa72

And the download window should show how fast its downloading - being a 56k user, I'd keep a watchful eye on that.

It doesn't already?

[zellin]

Originally posted by ChrisH3677
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- https sites to work behind a firewall. This is a must.
...
I'm behind a firewall and https works for me! I always hear about https problems in Safari but I experience none. What am I missing?
As for features:
Improvements to SnapBack. It hardly ever works properly.
Even more speed.
Built in plug-ins for everything (PDF, WMP, Real, etc.) I know you can put these things in manually but I think they will become built in along with some others.
And plus I have one that I am almost positive that they will add that is extremely specific:
If I have a bookmark that I named "MacRumors", and if I type "MacRumors" into the address bar, it will load MacRumors. Obviously here it is not very useful because I would just have to add .com, but what if you have published a calendar of Macworld on .Mac? Type in iCal-Macworld (or whatever you named it) and it will load the corresponding url. It is so Apple-like in terms of convenience.
Also I predict it is announced January 1st (remember iCal/iSync?).

[ChrisH3677]

Originally posted by zellin
I'm behind a firewall and https works for me! I always hear about https problems in Safari but I experience none.

Hey Zellin, can you do a port scan of your firewall and let us all know what ports are open. (there's port scanning in the Network Utility). (don't tell us the ip though or we'll hack ya!! hahahaha! :D just kiddin! :D )

or maybe it's how our proxies work... hmmm

[~Shard~]

I have to agree as well - I am behind a firewall/router and have no problems at all accessing https sites or anything along those lines. <shrug>

[joshuwa72]

Originally posted by Freg3000
It doesn't already?

I meant how long the download has left until it finished.

Sorry, I wasnt thinking when I posted that lol.

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by zellin
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Built in plug-ins for everything (PDF, WMP, Real, etc.) I know you can put these things in manually but I think they will become built in along with some others.
.... Apple already includes a plug-in for PDF. It is called the QuickTime Plug-In. As for WMP and Real, those are the intellectual property of Micro$oft and Real Networks, respectively. QuickTime is an open system. M$ and Real are free to write codecs for QuickTime. However, Apple cannot do that without permission.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by joshuwa72
I meant how long the download has left until it finished.


you don't really need the computer to tell you that...

(File size) / (download speed) = (time left)

:D

[ryme4reson]

speaking of Safari, I am running 10.3.2 and I deleted safari because it was acting strange. Now, my combo drive is not working, and I need to finsih Finals before I can turn computer in for repair.

I tried to download a new copy of Safari from apple.com, and versiontracker, but they are saying I can only get Safari off the 10.3 cd.

If anyone is willing to send my Safari.app I would really appreciate it.

Add it to my public .mac jamesk777
or email jamesk7777@mac.com

Thanks macrumors community.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by joshuwa72
I meant how long the download has left until it finished.

Sorry, I wasnt thinking when I posted that lol.

I would agree then. Sometimes I am so implusive that I calculate out long it will take by subtracting what has already been downloaded from the total size and dividing it by the download speed to see how much time is left.

It would be nice if Safari did it for me. :)

[GovornorPhatt]

I would like to see better Java applet support, content filtering to prevent the display of banner ads/ or flash animations, a completely new favorites panel that displays large icons with captions underneath to make finding a site faster.
Another possible feature that I would like is an IRC client for iChat that could be activated through a link in Safari. Maybe a new version will be released at Macworld SF.

[mrjamin]

sorting out the crap autocomplete
plugin support
skins/themes (aqua/metal) - i know you can install those APE things but they're pretty shoddy IMHO
option to restore the last set of tabs on load
reworked JS engine


...that'd be a great start

[5300cs]

In the good old days, you'd click and hold on a link (or the page itself) and an options menu would pop-up. Only Mozilla and Mozilla FireBird do that now.

I find it incredibly annoying that Safari doesn't do that. I'd image it would be a simple option to include, wouldn't it?

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by 5300cs
In the good old days, you'd click and hold on a link (or the page itself) and an options menu would pop-up. Only Mozilla and Mozilla FireBird do that now.

I find it incredibly annoying that Safari doesn't do that. I'd image it would be a simple option to include, wouldn't it?

Yah you're right, this is a nice feature - that would be a great one to see in Safari 2.0.

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by ChrisH3677
Hey Zellin, can you do a port scan of your firewall and let us all know what ports are open. (there's port scanning in the Network Utility). (don't tell us the ip though or we'll hack ya!! hahahaha! :D just kiddin! :D )

or maybe it's how our proxies work... hmmm

https uses port 443 so if its not open then https will not work.

A proxy can prohibit certain traffic.

[merges]

Originally posted by revenuee
you don't really need the computer to tell you that...

(File size) / (download speed) = (time left)


Oh, come now. The reason we have computers at all is to take care of that kind of stuff for us :-)

[GovornorPhatt]

It sounds like people want an improved download manager. I would like to see something similiar to Yazsoft's (http://www.yazsoft.com/) Speed Download 2.1. Speed Download shows the remaining time and lets you assign bandwitdh percentage to individual downoads. It would be cool if Safari would let you que your downloads in a list, or schedule a large download to run at night.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by merges
Oh, come now. The reason we have computers at all is to take care of that kind of stuff for us :-)

Yah, but I don't like my computer doing TOO much thinking for me - don't want my mind to turn into goo. :cool:

[revenuee]

Originally posted by merges
Oh, come now. The reason we have computers at all is to take care of that kind of stuff for us :-)

if you round, you can do that math in 2 or 3 seconds in your head and get an estimate of the time, the computer estimates as well since download speeds fluctuate ...

and i think thats a terrible way of looking at it, your computer should make complicated tasks simpler, don't rely on your computer for everything

heck, in first year calculus your not permitted to use a calculator, on test and exams, it keeps you thinking and your brain working.

I shutter to think of a generation that can't devide 5000 kb / 5kb/s

:D

EDIT : sorry Shard, i started writing my response before your post, and then forgot to hit "Submit" - didn't mean to step on your toes by reposting exactly what you said

[bburchill]

I'd like to see Apple come out with a very cool, rich with customizable content, Web Portal to go along with Safari 2.0.

With the "elegant" look (IMO) of OSX and Safari, all the standard Web Portals like Yahoo, MSN, AOL and Netscape, look ugly and way frumpy!

[Indiana Mac]

I'll second the call for a good download manager. I'm on a dialup(rather slow one too) and I would like the ability to resume a download so I could download piecemeal(instead of 3-6 Hours). I do not want to have to use a third party utility(especially since I remember IE having this feature).

Other than that, speed and reliability. I do not need a web browser to chat or check email. Just the web please.

[aldo]

Originally posted by zellin

And plus I have one that I am almost positive that they will add that is extremely specific:
If I have a bookmark that I named "MacRumors", and if I type "MacRumors" into the address bar, it will load MacRumors. Obviously here it is not very useful because I would just have to add .com, but what if you have published a calendar of Macworld on .Mac? Type in iCal-Macworld (or whatever you named it) and it will load the corresponding url. It is so Apple-like in terms of convenience.
Also I predict it is announced January 1st (remember iCal/iSync?).

Mozilla Firebird does this. You can take it another step further and by putting a '%s' in where the search text would be in the URL, you can make your own search engine script by just typing 'bookmarkname keywords'. It works really well.

Firebird is a far superior browser compared to Safari in almost all ways apart from its UI (sticks out even with the pinstripe theme) and also OS integration.

[neoelectronaut]

Originally posted by Freg3000
It doesn't already?

For the love of....look at that download speed!

*faints*

[bennetsaysargh]

Originally posted by Freg3000
It doesn't already?

that is a fast speed! and im on cable.
t1 lines?:p

[Freakk123]

I'm on cable in New York (Optimum Online), and when I download from apple, I often get even faster speeds than that, sometimes even near the 1 MBPS Range, generally closer to 500 or 600. ITS AWESOME!

[Bengt77]

I definitely want the option to name a download. Why would I want to save something as, say, 'xyz_20b_inst.dmg' and not as 'XYZ 2.0b Installer.dmg'? That's definitely a feature I find missing in Safari 1.0 and 1.1.

:(

[Bengt77]

Originally posted by Freakk123
I'm on cable in New York (Optimum Online), and when I download from apple, I often get even faster speeds than that, sometimes even near the 1 MBPS Range, generally closer to 500 or 600. ITS AWESOME!

Hehe ... I guess you searched hard to find a download big enough not to be finished by the time you were ready to take a screenshot, didn't you?! :eek:

Lucky bastard! :D

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Freakk123
I'm on cable in New York (Optimum Online), and when I download from apple, I often get even faster speeds than that, sometimes even near the 1 MBPS Range, generally closer to 500 or 600. ITS AWESOME!

Damn ... i usually get 200 - 300

[bburchill]

3205 kbps here...I think that is also represented as 3.2 mbps - Comcast Pro (cable)

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by bburchill
3205 kbps here...I think that is also represented as 3.2 mbps - Comcast Pro (cable)

Yep, we get 3 Mbps downstream and 384 kbps upstream here over DSL. We also have digital TV, VOD, and digital music over our DSL as well, so each residential home is actually getting an 8 Mbps stream into their home over copper - not too shabby for DSL!

[johnnyjibbs]

Originally posted by ChrisH3677
- https sites to work behind a firewall. This is a must.
I know a lot of people have already posted about this but I have noticed that you are running 10.2.8. I found that when I was running Jaguar I could not get Safari to load up any https sites from behind my uni firewall. It is apparently a bug in version 1.0.

The simple answer at the moment appears to be: upgrade to Panther. Panther's Safari is at 1.1.1 and this problem fixed itself for me when I upgraded. I don't really understand why Safari isn't kept independant of the OS because I can't see any new features in it other than bug fixes. Denying these to Jaguar users is mad.

Here comes the interesting question then: will Safari 2.0, when it comes, be available only for v10.3 and higher?

[MacSlut]

I'd like to see:
1) Disabling of *looping* of animated GIFs. In IE they allow disabling of animation *and/or* looping. It's the looping that needs to be disabled. This helps keep pages from flashing so you can read them.

2) Easy disabling of specific plug-ins....especially Flash. I often want to disable Flash to read a page and then the next site I go to I want to enable it because some retard has used it for the navigation of the site.

3) Ideally merge items 1 and 2 into one toolbar button that's a "freeze button".

4) Opening an image in its own window should show full properties of the image. Ideally it should show a full copyable HTML tag for the image with height, width, border=0, and full URL.

5) Better drag and drop URL support.

6) The ability to customize the search box (like 3rd party apps do, but not well).

7) Ability to customize the toolbar...not with a set of predefined buttons, but the ability to actually create buttons like in IE for the Mac with Javascript and custom icons.

[johnnyjibbs]

They need to standardise the toolbars in Mac OS X, or at least have one for Aqua and one for Metal. I was pleased that the new Finder still has the same toolbar support as the Jaguar Finder.

However, Safari doesn't play by the rules, with its own proprietry set of icons and graphics. If you open the Safari application package you can see all the graphics they have used which explains why they still go blue when you click them even when you have the appearances set to graphite. I noticed that the Finder's navigation buttons (now the same as Safari's) do change to graphite when you change the appearance settings (although strangely now the Finder close/minimise/zoom widgets stay multicoloured in graphite mode - in 10.3.1 at least!).

Getting used to Windows XP at home (our new family PC desktop) and I can't believe how much they've integrated the Windows "Finder" (explorer) with Internet Explorer - i.e. they are the same! E.g. I was navigating My Documents folder when suddenly I clicked a link which turned it into an internet website, not a folder on my hard drive! Not sure I like it. Mind you, with Panther, Safari and the Finder are getting closer together, appearance-wise at least.

[OutThere]

I will typically get 100-400 KB/s at school, which isn't bad. We have 3 fractional T1s. I would like to see some CSS improvements in Safari 2, and to have it be able to handle Groupwise Webmail (I know that's far fetched but I am forced to use it quite often.) Some page display problems are really really really annoying. For example:


blast. the pictures don't work. Whatever. Safari cannot render the Groupwise webaccess.