OS X 10.2 (Jaguar)

[macfanatic]

Does anyone have any specific details on when OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) will be released? I know its going to be sometime late this summer, but I would like to know when it will start shipping on the iMacs.

[stoid]

I'm pretty sure it's MWNY with 10.1.5 mid-July.

Is the iDisk improvement on 10.1.5 or 10.2??

[firewire2001]

i may be wrong... but my idisk seems to load a lot faster on 10.2...

i think its a 10.2 enhancement

[macfanatic]

From what I've heard, OS X 10.2 is going to feature iChat (AOL compatible instant messenger) and enhancements to the Address Book and the Finder.

[AlphaTech]

We might see 10.2 at MWNY, but then again, July is not late summer. To me, late summer could be September. We will just have to wait and see.

I would be inclined to think that 10.1.5 will be out at/by MWNY.

You can count on Apple shipping systems using 10.2 as soon as they announce it as being released. Don't count on systems you don't buy from Apple as having it for a while after that though. Mainly because they will be clearing out whatever stock they have first. If new systems are announced at the same time as 10.2 is released, then those systems will most likely ship with it (98% chance). This is all based on what Apple has done in the past. I hope that we get some systems at work after 10.2 comes out, so that I don't have to go out and purchase the update (unless it will be available for download).

Again, only time and Apple can tell, and neither is talking specifics.

[macfanatic]

Here are some sites with screenshots of OS X 10.2 Enjoy!

http://www.railheaddesign.com/
http://www.theregus.com/content/54/24914.html
http://www.mac4ever.com/MacOS.php?Choix=Article&NoArticle=343

I'll try and find some more sites

[Bradcoe]

If anyone has questions or anything I'll be glad to answer them in this forum. Just post below and I'll reply. iChat is great looking and should be wonderful, but right now its the most buggy application I've ever seen. Address book and Mail are VERY professional and at the same time user friendly. Quicktime 6 plays Divx...well...not much differently than 5, although I still have some more tests to run. It does load in less than 2 bounces, first time. I presume this has to do with parts of it being loaded into mem. on system startup (something Windows does to make IE appear faster at startup). BTW I'm running it on a 500Mhz iBook with 384mb RAM. It's much snappier than 10.1.X but still not as fast as I would hope. Hopefully just my computer and not the OS. Considering Steve called it a Pre-Alpha, it's pretty good. They've got about 3 months from now to get it GM and start packing it up to ship in boxes. This sounds like enough time to perfect all the code (iChat especially).

[King Cobra]

http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=5258

Arn says that from a source Jaguar will be available at MacWorld New York.
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[firewire2001]

bradcoe:

as 10.2 dev cannot be installed as an upgrade from 10.1, it installs everything newly -- as with any system a new os that hasnt been used is faster...

for instance -- if i were to install 10.1 on another drive or partition, without any apps or anything, it would undoubtedly run faster than my already existing 10.1 system, because os the reasons i stated above

this may be causing your small speed increase

i may be wrong, but i have re-partitioned my drives and installed os x several times, and this seems to be the case...

but so far, 10.2 is looking great!

[King Cobra]

I am pretty sure that Jaguar will have numerous improvements, since I read this one forum about someone, who had the Jaguar beta on a G3. That person said that his/her iBook ran fast, or something like that. I cannot wait.

IMPORTANT: About my previous post, Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) MIGHT be released at New York in July. I assumed that Arn had an official word, but it is unofficial. Just so there is any confusion.
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[aafuss1]

Excellente- OItailian for excellwent- I'm referring to the third link to 10.2 screenshots, it has easy to understand-even if I only learnt Italian.

[aafuss1]

Excellente- OItailian for excellwent- I'm referring to the third link to 10.2 screenshots, it has easy to understand-even if I only learnt Italian. 10.2-MacWord NEW YORK-New York, New York-how are you recovering after Sept. 11 (I would that Uncle ABC would come out prsent the eleventh Gold Logie and Oscar to Steve Jobs in evelen years time-when Apple relase OS 11.

[macktheknife]

Bradcoe:

Does Jaguar seem to run faster in your opinion? You've mentioned that it does seem to run faster, but I'd like some specifics. In particular, do your programs start up faster? Can you multitask without the ugly beachball popping up? Do your programs run faster than they were under 10.1?

Thanks.

[FelixDerKater]

Excellente is Spanish, not Italian...
Eccellente is the Italian... ;)

As far as the speed of a newly installed OS, it is much faster when you first install it before adding lots of programs. I was confused when I put OS X on my iPod as a backup just in case. It was much faster than the 10.1.x I was used to. At first I was thinking, maybe the drive in the iPod was much faster than the PowerBook's, but i eventually figured out it was the lack of programs.

[King Cobra]

I have taken at least three years of Spanish, and the correct spelling is 'excelente'. The double L sounds like a "Y".

Here is one for you:
¿Por qué no estamos hablando de la revisión de Mac OS X? Hay muchas cosas para decir sobre "Jaguar". Alguienes personas dicen que OS X va a ser a Nueva York el 15 de Julio. :D

La topica de español no es tanto importante como la topica de Mac OS X y "Jaguar".

In other words: WTH are you guys talking about languages for? Jaguar is more important.
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[j763]

hey

can one of you guys with 10.2 installed tell me whether QT6 can play divx as well as 'The Playa" or WMP does running on Windows or is the support pretty much as crappy as that of Qt5?

[Bradcoe]

I have also installed and reinstalled OS X (10.0, 10.1, & Jaguar). Jaguar is hands down faster at virtually everything. Somethings are still equal to its predecessor, but many things are quicker. Multi-tasking is greatly improved. I love the new spinning cursor, but I hardly see it. Oh and BTW, I reformated and put 10.1 back on because I just didn't feel right running Jaguar since I didn't recieve it directly from Apple. I can still answer questions about it. Oh an another thing. I did get this WEIRD error type thing (I tried as hard as I could to crash it). It wasn't a normal kernel panic, but I think it was a kernel panic anyway. The whole screen had a grainy gray color cover it and a low quality image covering about 800x600 of the 1024x768 screen came up. The image was white with text on it. The text read "Your computer needs to be restarted. Hold the power button down for a few seconds" (I might be off a little, but that was the jist of it). I have a feeling apple is trying to make kernel panics more user friendly. Just a guess at it. If anyone else has seen this, let me know.

[macktheknife]

Well, I am certainly heartened to hear that programs will run faster under Jaguar. One of the disappointments in switching to a Mac running OS X was that things simply ran slower compared to my old PC when I was multitasking. In any case, I can't wait to upgrade to Jaguar and speed my TiBook up!

[hobie]

well, to answer question here:
yes, jaguar is faster and snappier. And yes, there are a lot of improvements. But the main thing i'm happy about is that battery time is now longer!!! :-) The energy saver options now are similar to those in OS9, even the harddisk will be put to sleep when possible. After all, I have a time improvement of about one hour compared to 10.1.4 (which is crappy compared to OS9 with about 4.5 hours battery time). However, do any of you guys get a battery time of ~3 hours at normal use and more than 4 hours at light use with an iBook? Now it goes again :-)

[iJon]

I hope its soon, Mac OS X really needs some updating.

iJon

[sparkleytone]

ay de mi! por que estas hablando en espanol cuando nadie puede comprenderte? es un accion estupido :P

[firewire2001]

hey.. ive got 10.2 and all and ive looked through it very thoroughly and am acquainted with its features... but i cant seem to find inkwell...

no ones mentioned much about it in the forums... so i assume it didnt come loaded on the wwdc discs... or am i missing something?

most developers probably wouldnt need to see inkwell yet... i mean, i guess certain software could take advantage of it, but they probably wouldnt jus put it on the discs and have developers "jus figure it out"...

[AmbitiousLemon]

yes inkwell is not included. i would guess it wasnt ready.

someone mentioned you can install jaguar as an update. this is wrong. you can install it as an update and i did just see how it worked.

i started a thread awhile back discussing the features in 10.2 you can find it here (http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=5374&highlight=p%2Assycat)
if you want to discuss those issues. seemed like most people just hadnt installed it yet.

as far as speed comparisons, most stuff is faster. and cpu load is down (even on a machine from 1999, see the quoted thread for details). but some things are slower (often much slower. i dont believe this is a reflection of the speed increase we expect to see but a reflection of the BETA nature of jaguar.

based on the "late summer" statement, and the level of development of the jaguar build i would have to guess that we will not see a release at MWNY (July is most certainly NOT late summer) but will likley see it in auguest or sepetember (in late summer). This would also allow the release to coincide with the death of the apple-m$ contract (august) which could mean new browser (Netscape), and would provide apple with time to get things working (as it seems a functional os is some months away) and finish the new apps (iChat, inkwell).

on the netscape issue. apple agreeing to bundle netscape with os10.2 could have been the reason aol allowed apple access (via iChat) to the AIM network. these two are definitely getting into bed together and although i dont like aol/timewarner they might just be the only ally stronger than ms that apple could align itself with.

[Hemingray]

Okay guys, technically it's Jaguar, not 10.2. Apple hasn't mentioned 10.2 at all, and the developer preview doesn't mention 10.2 that I'm aware of. That's fairly unusual, so I doubt if it were just 10.2 they'd completely avoid the version number...

[neilt]

The speed of many things is quite a bit faster.
ie, on my Ti 400 in 10.1.4 the terminal could take up to 8 bounces to launch.
in Jaguar it is down to just over 2.

As to the name, my guess is it will be 10.5 not 10.2. In the about this mac box it says Pre-release. Mine is build 6c35.

[AmbitiousLemon]

easy to fall into the habit of calling it 10.2 since thats what all the betas have been called before jaguar.

but since jaguar has been so radically different from any of the 10.2 betas, it might just be a 10.5 release.

apple has sent cease and desist letters to websites referring to jaguar as 10.2. i was pretty surprised when i heard that, because before that i had just assumed it would be called 10.2.

i guess apple feels that if they want to get some serious dough for this release they have to make it sound big. 10.5 > 10.2

id like to believe apple would just called it 10.2 sicne thats more accurate, but only time will tell.

[holmesf]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
easy to fall into the habit of calling it 10.2 since thats what all the betas have been called before jaguar.

but since jaguar has been so radically different from any of the 10.2 betas, it might just be a 10.5 release.

apple has sent cease and desist letters to websites referring to jaguar as 10.2. i was pretty surprised when i heard that, because before that i had just assumed it would be called 10.2.

i guess apple feels that if they want to get some serious dough for this release they have to make it sound big. 10.5 > 10.2

id like to believe apple would just called it 10.2 sicne thats more accurate, but only time will tell.

Jaguar is 10.2, its almost a fact. Apple tried to erase all references to that, but they failed. The about menu of the installer refers to it as 10.2 and even the sytem profiler! I'll link you to a screenshot of it. Sorry about the circle around 667mhz. Its from a differen't thread.

http://homepage.mac.com/holmesf/667mhz.gif

By the way: 10.2 is much faster. Quicktime launches in ONE bounce. Scrolling in IE is maybe 3x faster than before. Quicktime movie's run faster in games. iDisk's are several times faster. Of course, results may very. This is on a 667mhz powerbook G4 with a radeon mobility (older version).

[holmesf]

I also have a screenshot from OSX v10.3. 10.3 will be released in the first quarter next year. Apple decided that interface builder and project builder weren't enough. They needed something that could build applications in less than minutes, pure seconds. They're calling it hypercard. The screenshot shows the ultra-intiutive hypercard application programming environment. They also redid the bulky interface of Quicktime 6. Its called Quicktime 3. Overall the OS is much faster at lower level finder related things and is relatively stable. Sources say that Quartz Extreme has advanced in this release in leaps and bounds. It is now accelerated by ALL graphics accelerators. They're calling it Quickdraw. I can't wait for it:


http://homepage.mac.com/holmesf/OSX-10.3.gif






Oh yah. Did I call it 10.3? I meant 7.5.3.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by holmesf
Apple decided that interface builder and project builder weren't enough. They needed something that could build applications in less than minutes, pure seconds. They're calling it hypercard. The screenshot shows the ultra-intiutive hypercard application programming environment.

Thanks, that made my morning a little more bearable. :D

[Billicus]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
comprenderte:P
comprenderte? Es comprehende, no? La respuesta es: Por qué su quiere halbar en español. ¡Hasta Luego!

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by neilt
As to the name, my guess is it will be 10.5 not 10.2. In the about this mac box it says Pre-release. Mine is build 6c35.

It will be Mac OS XL. :D (That's Xtra Large, not 40)

k.

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by holmesf
http://homepage.mac.com/holmesf/OSX-10.3.gif

Great new interface! Whoaaaaaah!

k.

[King Cobra]

Spanish flamethrower... (using ground troops)

¿Por qué están uds. hablando en español cuando nadie de uds. la comprenden? Hablen en español formal...si pueden. Si no, no necesitan hablar nada. Yo aprendía más que 4 años de español y en mi opinión, uds. hablan peores que los bastardos codos de un lugar que nadie lo sabe. ¡Mi palabra! Si esta conversación de español continuará necesitan uds. hablar perfecto en español, o hablan en inglés. Yo no tenería ni idea qué lo pasaría si uds. hablarían pro mucho tiempo. Nadie comprendá.

BTW, Happy Birthday, Alpha! :D
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[AlphaTech]

Tanks KC...

Got a system coming my way that needs some work... so I have an idea that I will be making some $$ tonight. Got my ride back, and had a nice ride with it. Now to clean some for when I have the bbq tomorrow with family. Seems like only yesterday I was 31 :D wait, I was... lol

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Spanish flamethrower... (using ground troops)

¿Por qué están uds. hablando en español cuando nadie de uds. la comprenden? Hablen en español formal...si pueden. Si no, no necesitan hablar nada. Yo aprendía más que 4 años de español y en mi opinión, uds. hablan peores que los bastardos codos de un lugar que nadie lo sabe. ¡Mi palabra! Si esta conversación de español continuará necesitan uds. hablar perfecto en español, o hablan en inglés. Yo no tenería ni idea qué lo pasaría si uds. hablarían pro mucho tiempo. Nadie comprendá.

Hay muchos aquí que comprenden y hablan español. Fue mi especialización secunda en la universidad.

No lo hablas perfectamente, pues es ridículo que lo requieres de otras personas.

¿Comprendes?

Wanna have a go at French next? :p

[Edit: back to the topic]
jaguar is referred to as 10.2 in the startup disk pane as well.

We'll see what they call the final version.

I'm really enjoying it so far! Guess what? It's snappy!!:D

[Choppaface]

pendejos.... :D :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Choppaface
pendejos.... :D :D

nice one! :D

"y tu mamá también" :p

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU Hay muchos aquí que comprenden y hablan español. Fue mi especialización secunda en la universidad.

No lo hablas perfectamente, pues es ridículo que lo requieres de otras personas.

¿Comprendes?

Wanna have a go at French next? [/B]

Yo pensé que Español es más facil que Francés y me encanta español tanto mucho como inglés. Si hay personas hablan español me gustaría hablar en español también. Pero, soy muy estricto cuando personas no hablan perfecto.

Rower_CPU, ¿es posible podemos hablar en español de la revisión de OS X? Pienso mucho que muchas personas gustarán Jaguar cuando las personas pueden recevirla. La quiero ser rápido...no...mucho más rápido que 10.1. No prefiero comprar, pero creo que es necesario.

¿Problemas? Probablamente no.
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[Rower_CPU]

Si, podemos contunuar en español si lo quieres, pero creo que la majoridad de los miembros aquí no van a gustarlo.

Puede ser que arn va a crear un forum en español si hay tanto interes.;)

"Jaguar" cambiara el mundo de la computación para nosotros, los que usan los Macs. Estoy seguro de esto. :)

[King Cobra]

Pienso que las personas encontran éste educational, si comprenden.

Si Arn hace un forum en español yo visitaría los forums con más frequencia.

Quiero Jaguar hoy, no mañana, hoy! :)

For those who do not understand spanish, I just said that I think that people would find this educational, if they understood it. I continued by saying that if Arn makes a forum in Spanish, I would visit the forums more often. Then I finished with I want Jaguar today, not tomorrow, today. Don't we all feel the same way?

Oh, no. Are we moving towards poetry? :eek:
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[Rower_CPU]

¿Donde está mymemory? Creo que el, mas que nadie, disfrutarse de la oportunidad de hablar en español...:)

[King Cobra]

No tendí ni idea mymemory habla español. mymemory hablan en los forums esta mañana a las diez y ventiócho, pero yo no veía mymemory por diez horas, probablamente más. Es posible que él está trabajando o está ocupando con algo más. Pero, no tengo ni idea dónde está.
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[Rower_CPU]

mymemory es de Venezuela...el debe ser "mas" hispano-hablante que nosotros. :D

[King Cobra]

Es posible que mymemory está durmiendo o levantándose, porque Venezuela es en el otro parte del mundo. No estoy seguro dónde exactamente. (Yo suspendería un examen de geographía en un minuto :))
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[AlphaTech]

All right you freaks... stop speaking in tongues and switch back to ENGLISH!!! If you really must converse in other languages, then do it via either PM's, email, or a chat engine (AIM, Yahoo, ICQ and such).

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
All right you freaks...

I appreciate it. :)

If you really must converse in other languages, then do it via either PM's, email, or a chat engine (AIM, Yahoo, ICQ and such).

Look, General, we were just having fun. IMO the forums are more interactive...besides, it's not much different the off-topic discussions people sometimes digress into. If you want, General, I will go back to post.
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[Rower_CPU]

Hahahaha...just having some fun.

It would be interesting if arn made a foreign language forum...everyone conversing in whatever language they wanted to...too cool. :)

What can I say, I dig foreign languages. Good thing, too, otherwise getting my BA in Frencha and Spanish minor would have been hell! :D

[AlphaTech]

Well, there private, at least with the off topic postings, everyone knows what you are saying...:p

I just called and left the message for the person who owns the computer that I just fixed... two hours worth of work, and it is back among the living and fully updated (both OS 9 and OS X to the latest versions). It had damaged directories, an unblessed system folder (OS 9.x) and some heavy fragmentation. All better now, and I didn't even need to do any voodoo. :D

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Hahahaha...just having some fun.

It would be interesting if arn made a foreign language forum...everyone conversing in whatever language they wanted to...too cool. :)

What can I say, I dig foreign languages. Good thing, too, otherwise getting my BA in Frencha and Spanish minor would have been hell! :D

I want to learn Russian, but need to find the time and figure out how to go about it. I know that there is software to help you learn, but I don't know if it is worth getting.

I hated taking Spanish in high school, just glad it never came into play at college (no foreign language classes there :p).

as for the forum with everyone typing in whatever language they want... ever hear of that little building called the tower of babble???

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
I want to learn Russian, but need to find the time and figure out how to go about it. I know that there is software to help you learn, but I don't know if it is worth getting.

I hated taking Spanish in high school, just glad it never came into play at college (no foreign language classes there :p).

as for the forum with everyone typing in whatever language they want... ever hear of that little building called the tower of babble???

You mean "Babel", right? :p

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


You mean "Babel", right? :p

However it is spelled (never claimed that spelling was one of my strong points, since it's not) :p but yes, that is the item I am talkin about.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
However it is spelled (never claimed that spelling was one of my strong points, since it's not) :p but yes, that is the item I am talkin about.

Just returning a little friendly fire...:D

My Bible studies were never my strong suit...all I recall is that it had a negative connotation. Is that right?

"babble" is definitely fitting though..:p

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Just returning a little friendly fire...:D

My Bible studies were never my strong suit...all I recall is that it had a negative connotation. Is that right?

"babble" is definitely fitting though..:p

I burned my bible (wonder if that will start a flame war :D )...

I believe that is where the term babble came from....

[McFreggle]

Ei mannen stop eens met al dat Spaans gedoe, en praat eens Nederlands gelijk alle deftige mensen.

Of misschien Engels. Dan kunnen we allemaal wat meegenieten van de fijne commentaren.

Mijn 2 centjes...

k.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by McFreggle
Ei mannen stop eens met al dat Spaans gedoe, en praat eens Nederlands gelijk alle deftige mensen.

Of misschien Engels. Dan kunnen we allemaal wat meegenieten van de fijne commentaren.

Mijn 2 centjes...

k.

Translation please...I've only learned the "romance" languages, sorry...:(

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Translation please...I've only learned the "romance" languages, sorry...:(

Okay... because you ask it so kindly...

Hey guys stop the Spanish stuff please, and talk Dutch like all normal people (smiley needed here).

Or maybe English. So we can all enjoy the nice comments.

My 2 cents...

k.

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
mymemory es de Venezuela...el debe ser "mas" hispano-hablante que nosotros. :D


Probablamente tienes razon, aunque despues de dos años en la escuela en españa creo que me sale bastante bien. Por mi que muy bien que hablemos en castellano, aunque mejor seria catalan :p

Por cierto, tu tampoco lo hablas/escribes perfectamente ;)

Alors, tu veux parler en francais? Ca me vas pas tres bien, mais.... quand tu veux...

Deutsch? Dass passt auch zu mir :D Ich wohne hier seit fast ein Jahr... willst du das auch mal versuchen?

Mina umrat suomi.... :D

Shame you can't write in arabic characters.... :(

Ok, i'll stop fooling around now. Sorry :p

[McFreggle]

Oh my God! All those languages!

Well... I know Dutch (off course), English (du-uh), German and French, but also...

C++, Pascal, PHP, SQL, JavaScript, VisualBasic, and... COBOL !!! How many of you guys can say that? :D

k.

[McFreggle]

Oops... did I just forget AppleScript? :eek:

k.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
Probablamente tienes razon, aunque despues de dos años en la escuela en españa creo que me sale bastante bien. Por mi que muy bien que hablemos en castellano, aunque mejor seria catalan :p

Por cierto, tu tampoco lo hablas/escribes perfectamente ;)

Alors, tu veux parler en francais? Ca me vas pas tres bien, mais.... quand tu veux...

Deutsch? Dass passt auch zu mir :D Ich wohne hier seit fast ein Jahr... willst du das auch mal versuchen?

Mina umrat suomi.... :D

Shame you can't write in arabic characters.... :(

Ok, i'll stop fooling around now. Sorry :p

C'est formidable que tu parles tant de langues! Un atout de la vie en europe, sans doute.

Je sais que mon espagnol n'est pas complètement parfait. Mon bout était de corriger KC, qui le demander des autres.

Je suis vraiment content de voir que nous avons un communauté si international et diverse! :)

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


C'est formidable que tu parles tant de langues! Un atout de la vie en europe, sans doute.

Je sais que mon espagnol n'est pas complètement parfait. Mon bout était de corriger KC, qui le demander des autres.

Je suis vraiment content de voir que nous avons un communauté si international et diverse! :)

Y yo tambien! Pense que los americanos no tenian mucho interes.... actually, let's take this one up in community discussion...

he he.... Would it make this on-topic, to mention the language support within OS X? :rolleyes:

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by britboy
...he he.... Would it make this on-topic, to mention the language support within OS X? :rolleyes:

Actually, that is worth mentioning.

Arabic, Hebrew, several Cyrillic based languages...even Hawaiian, which is funny, since Hawaiian uses the Roman keyboard minus a few consonants.

I'm impressed, and it will make my job easier (technician, web designer for a foreign language lab). Go Apple!:D

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Actually, that is worth mentioning.

Arabic, Hebrew, several Cyrillic based languages...even Hawaiian, which is funny, since Hawaiian uses the Roman keyboard minus a few consonants.

I'm impressed, and it will make my job easier (technician, web designer for a foreign language lab). Go Apple!:D


So what improvements *could* be implemented in a future release of OS X? At the moment it's possible to change the menu language, the keyboard lazout (he he... using a german layout the y and z swap places... annoying... :mad: ), anything else that can be changed?

Just checking through the list of possible keyboard layouts... Swiss German is in there. That's impressive, considering that there isn't even an 'official' spelling for the language!

[Rower_CPU]

The ones I listed above are in the Jaguar dev I've been using.

It's pretty cool typing in Arabic in TextEdit...except the text is entered left to right instead of right to left...

[britboy]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

It's pretty cool typing in Arabic in TextEdit...except the text is entered left to right instead of right to left...

Now that must be confusing. Can you imagine having to read english from right to left? I would hope that's something that'll be fixed before 10.2 goes gold.

[pc2mac_convert]

Originally posted by macfanatic
Does anyone have any specific details on when OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) will be released? I know its going to be sometime late this summer, but I would like to know when it will start shipping on the iMacs.

Per the original topic of this post [minus specific details]:
as simple as this sounds, Perhaps 10.2 is set for release on 10/2/2002...

For example: QT6-Preview was released today 06/04 (quicktime 6, mpeg 4),
and this quote from Apple's website, regarding the expiration of the preview:

"How long can I use QuickTime 6 Public Preview?
This software will expire in October, 2002."

Anyone know of any reason why the QT6-Preview would run until October,
if X.2 were to come out earlier than October??? :confused:

[gopher]

Originally posted by pc2mac_convert


Per the original topic of this post [minus specific details]:
as simple as this sounds, Perhaps 10.2 is set for release on 10/2/2002...

For example: QT6-Preview was released today 06/04 (quicktime 6, mpeg 4),
and this quote from Apple's website, regarding the expiration of the preview:

"How long can I use QuickTime 6 Public Preview?
This software will expire in October, 2002."

Anyone know of any reason why the QT6-Preview would run until October,
if X.2 were to come out earlier than October??? :confused:

My hope is that Apple allowed some overlap time for the release of Jaguar while people's Quicktime Preview hasn't expired. Remember how for several days you couldn't use Eudora because Eudora beta hadn't been updated? I think Jaguar will be out in September, and Apple is giving time for people to get Jaguar into October in case there are shipping difficulties. Remember it is called Jaguar and not 10.2.

[pc2mac_convert]

Originally posted by gopher


...Remember it is called Jaguar and not 10.2.

Excellent point... Also, didn't Apple say that they are not quite sure exactly what it will be [called] when it is [officially] released, e.g. "Jaguar 10.2", "Jaguar", "Mac OS X - Jaguar", etc...??? Personally, I'm really hoping that it will ship earlier, with - like you mentioned - an overlap between release and QT6-Preview...

Would obviously be better, since any new PowerMacs should (hope) be shipping by August - a further two month wait for Jaguar would be frustrating...

[Royal Pineapple]

Originally posted by neilt
The speed of many things is quite a bit faster.
ie, on my Ti 400 in 10.1.4 the terminal could take up to 8 bounces to launch.
in Jaguar it is down to just over 2.

As to the name, my guess is it will be 10.5 not 10.2. In the about this mac box it says Pre-release. Mine is build 6c35.
on the disk i received from Apple Computer inc. the version read 10.2.0 jagwire but they might switich it to 10.5 at the final relese. 10.5 sounds more official
-royal

[swahilibill]

I really want that rendevous thing that lets you share proograms over a network. That would be cool to set up a mac downstairs and share the iTunes music.

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by swahilibill
I really want that rendevous thing that lets you share proograms over a network. That would be cool to set up a mac downstairs and share the iTunes music.

I think that's just a new feature of iTunes. Rendezvous is a technology that makes IP based networks act like appletalk. Remember how when you plugged a mac into an appletalk network it would automatically come up with a list of all the comps on the network? Now you'll be able to do that with other types of networks. No more typing in IP addresses all the time! :) :) :)

[void]

anybody know a free carracho or hotline server that has jaguar? i know it's floating around but im really bad @ SW hunting. If you tell me a server, i'll put you in my signature
"_______ got me jaguar!!!"

[topicolo]

Originally posted by vjv
anybody know a free carracho or hotline server that has jaguar? i know it's floating around but im really bad @ SW hunting. If you tell me a server, i'll put you in my signature
"_______ got me jaguar!!!"

That might be a good reason for someone to NOT tell you about a good hotline/carracho server ;)

[Catfish]

Originally posted by pc2mac_convert

didn't Apple say that they are not quite sure exactly what it will be [called] when it is [officially] released, e.g. "Jaguar 10.2", "Jaguar", "Mac OS X - Jaguar", etc...???

I'm pretty sure that Jaguar won't be in the release name. I think 10.1 was "Puma" but no one calls it that now.

[shadowfax0]

Now if anyone here can speak Baseldeutsch I'd be impressed :) Or computer support for it even :rolleyes:

[gopher]

Was ist deine frage?

[shadowfax0]

Oh no you misunderstand, Baseldeutsch, it's the dialect spoken only in Basel, like nothing else, it's almost a differnt language to my ear. Go there somtime (if applicable) and just take a listen, it is far from normal German :D

[dracula75]

Hola a todos, soy de España y me hace mucha gracia ver com estais disputando quien es el que habla mejor en español.... Bueno, siento deciros que ninguno de vosotros lo habla perfectamente... En casi todas vuestras frases hay errores en los tiempos verbales o alguna palabra escrita mal... No es una crítica, admiro el nivel que teneis (sinceramente creo que es altísimo) pero no es verdad que lo hableis perfectamente...
De todas formas gracias por creer que el español es una lengua muy bonita...
Hasta luego!
Besos desde España!

Sorry to all english users, I know this is an Off-Topic... BTW, has anybody tested Jaguar on an iMac, I have a Ruby450 and I would like to know if I'll get any extra speed on my machine...new drivers for ATI Rage Pro?
Thanks!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by dracula75
Hola a todos, soy de España y me hace mucha gracia ver com estais disputando quien es el que habla mejor en español.... Bueno, siento deciros que ninguno de vosotros lo habla perfectamente... En casi todas vuestras frases hay errores en los tiempos verbales o alguna palabra escrita mal... No es una crítica, admiro el nivel que teneis (sinceramente creo que es altísimo) pero no es verdad que lo hableis perfectamente...
De todas formas gracias por creer que el español es una lengua muy bonita...
Hasta luego!
Besos desde España!

Sorry to all english users, I know this is an Off-Topic... BTW, has anybody tested Jaguar on an iMac, I have a Ruby450 and I would like to know if I'll get any extra speed on my machine...new drivers for ATI Rage Pro?
Thanks!

Nunca he dicho que hablo perfectamente.:D

Otra cosa interesante es la diferencia entre el español de España y el español de Mexico y los otros paises hispano-hablantes...

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by dracula75
Sorry to all english users, I know this is an Off-Topic... BTW, has anybody tested Jaguar on an iMac, I have a Ruby450 and I would like to know if I'll get any extra speed on my machine...new drivers for ATI Rage Pro?
Thanks!

10.2 will be faster on ALL machines. However, it's unlikely to have a major speed up because of Rage Pro drivers because 10.1.5 already them. Here are my guesses on 10.2 performance:
Single G3, no QuartzGL: medium speedup (less than 10.1, more than any .1.x)
Single G3, QuartzGL: medium large speedup
Single G4, no QuartzGL: medium large speedup
Single G4, QuartzGL: around 10.0-10.1 speedup
Dual G4, no QuartzGL: large speedup
Dual G4, QuartzGL: Very large speedup

[Choppaface]

Originally posted by dracula75
ver con estáis disputando quien es él que habla mejor en español....

admiro el nivel que tenéis (sinceramente creo que es altísimo) pero no es verdad que lo habléis perfectamente...


:D :D

¿hay reglas que no se necesitan usar los accentos?

[dracula75]

¿Hay reglas en las cuales se permite no usar los acentos? NO, los acentos tienen que usarse siempre, incluso escribiendo en mayúsculas...
Ya sé que el español de España es ligeramente diferente al usado en los paises sudamericanos pero las diferencias son sólo a nivel de sustantivos... las reglas gramaticales son exactamente las mismas en todos los paises hispanohablantes...es decir, que si conjugas mal un verbo, estará mal en cualquier variante del español

¡Repito que esto no es una crítica, de verdad pienso que vuestro nivel de español es muy, muy bueno!

[G4scott]

boy do I feel odd... I'm hispanic, I live in Northern Mexico (aka South Texas), i've taken spanish classes for 3 years now, and I still can't do more than ask "¿Donde esta el baño?"

How sad and pathetic my second language skills are. I can pick up on bits of spanish conversations here, as long as I can understand at least every other word...

¡Viva El Macintosh!

[j a v i e r l]

Coincido con el Gallego (te lo digo con todo el cariño del mundo!!!!) Yo también me alegraba al ver como escriben en castellano, y la verdad es que más allá de los tiempos de verbo que utilizan y acentos que se comen (yo también los evito) lo escriben muy bien. Yo soy Argentino, uno de esos que tanto esperaba de este mundial... que se le va a hacer, para los que no nos conocen Argentina= Tango, Maradona, Dulce de Leche, Sud América.
Les mando un gran saludo a todos, y les cuento que acá en Argentina las Mac no son mayoría pero se han metido bastante en el mercado, yo la uso desde el año 85, tenía una MacPlus, ahora tengo una G4 con el 10.1.5
No tengo mucho más que contarles salvo que espero con muchas ansias cada una de las actualizaciones de Apple.

Saludos, Javier

[swahilibill]

For gods sake, stop using all of this spanish and other language crap, its annoying, now lets actually get back to the idea of this site, thanks.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by swahilibill
For gods sake, stop using all of this spanish and other language crap, its annoying, now lets actually get back to the idea of this site, thanks.

What's the "idea of this site" according to you?

We were discussing the language capabilities of Jaguar, so this is not out of line...:rolleyes:

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by swahilibill
For gods sake, stop using all of this spanish and other language crap, its annoying, now lets actually get back to the idea of this site, thanks.

I second that motion...

Either type in English, or just read the posts... This may seem harsh, but it is very rude to post in a language that very few people here speak and/or read. This site is based in the US so, use the language of the land (which is English). IF it was based in another country (which didn't have English as either the primary, or major language) then we would have to post in the language of that land.

This is the last time I am going to say this before escalating matters to the moderators/god of MacRumors.

[swahilibill]

thank you alphatech.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
We were discussing the language capabilities of Jaguar, so this is not out of line...:rolleyes:

Then how about starting a thread about the language capabilities of Jag.??? That way we don't have to scroll through a screen or so of stuff that might as well be windblows code... :rolleyes:

[swahilibill]

hey rower_CPu, the idea is to discuss all of this in English, not spanish, or German or whatever. Anyway, i know a little bit of spanish, and they are not all talking about Macs and 10.2 jaguar, k.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Then how about starting a thread about the language capabilities of Jag.??? That way we don't have to scroll through a screen or so of stuff that might as well be windblows code... :rolleyes:

Fair enough.

I can't believe you just compared Spanish to Windows code...*shudder*

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Fair enough.

I can't believe you just compared Spanish to Windows code...*shudder*

Yes I did... Both are have the same use to me, none. I have about as much desire to learn both, as I would to placing my head (either one) onto the grill after it has been heating for about 15 minutes (both burners on high).