disappointed in safari

[slipper]

IMO internet explorer still takes the cake for the best web browser. safari does the opposite of what OSX does so well now, multitasking. i have to wait until one page fully loads before the next page can load. yes i still have dial up. also, on IE if you move the cursor over a link, the link will be displayed in the lower corner, safari doesnt do this and its a great feature.

[CubeHacker]

Safari does need work, but its far better than IE for the Mac. I've encountered very few sites that don't work with Safari.

And to get it to show your links, simple enable the status bar under 'View'.

[Counterfit]

Originally posted by slipper
also, on IE if you move the cursor over a link, the link will be displayed in the lower corner, safari doesnt do this and its a great feature. Oh but it does! That is, if you have the status bar enabled.And it's not Safari's fault you have a slow connection, I have multiple pages loading all the time. Oh, and the load a hell of a lot faster than IE could ever dream of.

[slipper]

Originally posted by Counterfit
it's not Safari's fault you have a slow connection sure thing, im sure the majority of web surfers still use dial up. ill slap myself on the wrist anyways since im to blame..

[crxentric]

One of the coolest things that safari can do which explorer can't is tabbed browsing. It works especially well on a slow connection because you can load up many pages in the background while you read the first one and you don't have to worry about having many windows open. Another really cool feature is safari's ability to automatically block pop ups. In my opinion it wins hands down.

[slipper]

yeah the block up feature is cool but ive had pop ups still pop up once in a while.

[ZildjianKX]

Safari really dissapointed me after using it for a great deal of time... I had to keep MSIE installed just to view some pages that Safari just couldn't handle...

Try out Camino, its worth the download :)
Been using it two weeks now without a hitch.

[slipper]

Originally posted by ZildjianKX
Try out Camino, its worth the download :)
Been using it two weeks now without a hitch. im impressed with camino, so far. im at a WIFI hotspot right now so ill be trying it at home soon.

[kettle]

Some people get upset when Safari won't display their favourite web site in quite the same way as IE will. The problem is unless Safari wants to follow and support the same path as IE, deep into the lungs of Hell, then it will carry on displaying malformed and crud levels of coding in unpredictable ways. In this situation Microsoft is deliberately making bad browsers inorder to steer control of web standards securely into their own hands.
Luckily, Safari is one of the good guys.:)

according to this surfin' safari weblog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/) there are some good things in the pipeline for safari. Have a dig in the archives. :)

[robbieduncan]

There is a valid point here. Safari will use at most 4 threads for network activity. This means that it will never have more than 4 active requests going at once. This is more of a problem on fast connections than slow ones. If you hit a page with lots of very small graphics it will request the first 4 and only request the next one once 1 of those is downloaded. It should use more threads if the connection will support it.

This effect is even worse if you are downloading files whilst still surfing. If you start to download 4 files you cannot open any more pages until at least 1 file has finished. Pretty poor.

[slipper]

camino is awesome, it even has a bunch of great preloaded bookmarks that any mac user would appreciate.

[johnnyjibbs]

Since switching to Mac I have always used Safari, and I like it.

In particular:

The pop-up blocker works very well. So annoying at xmas when I used our home Windows PC a lot.

Google search is great.

Easy to use bookmarks. Never understood IE favourites.

I like the way web pages look like Mac OS X! In the Jaguar version of Safari (1.0) there is a bug which means it won't load secure sites behind some firewalls (like my uni one). This forced me to use Camino for these web sites. I like Camino, but I prefer the tabs on Safari, the brushed metal appearance (never thought I'd say that), and (VERY IMPORTANT!) the blue glow around text fields in Safari. In constrast, IE still uses Mac OS 9 buttons and fields!

Safari never quits on me (not once in Panther, used to occasionally in Jaguar) but it would be nice to get resumable downloads. Apparently Win XP sevice pack 2 this summer brings this funcationality to PC version of Internet Explorer. Hopefully Apple will add that (no offence to Download Wizard, obviously).

Also, IGN cube (games site), with all its complicated graphics and stuff gets me the beach ball of death in Safari, even on a fast connection. I agree about it needing better multitasking.

Other than that, I love Safari :)

[jxyama]

Originally posted by slipper
yeah the block up feature is cool but ive had pop ups still pop up once in a while.

i've never had a pop up since starting to use safari... could you tell me which site you went to that circumvented the pop up blocker?

[Sabbath]

Originally posted by robbieduncan
There is a valid point here. Safari will use at most 4 threads for network activity. This means that it will never have more than 4 active requests going at once. This is more of a problem on fast connections than slow ones. If you hit a page with lots of very small graphics it will request the first 4 and only request the next one once 1 of those is downloaded. It should use more threads if the connection will support it.

This effect is even worse if you are downloading files whilst still surfing. If you start to download 4 files you cannot open any more pages until at least 1 file has finished. Pretty poor.

Ah that would explain a few of the things I have encountered in a more logical manner. It seems a shame it should do this given the usefulness of tabbed browsing is that you can load lots of pages at once while reading another. I only really heard of tabbed browsing when I started using Safari, and I can't use browsers without it anymore. I use Firebird when Im forced to use a PC its great but just doesnt have the really nice feel of Safari that makes browsing so quick and enjoyable.

[hobbes3113]

The one thing that I would like to see integrated into Safari would be the ability to navigate (i.e. go back/forward) using a three button mouse, or even a one button mouse when the ctrl key is pressed as is possible in IE. Unfortunately, given Apple's stance on the multi-button mouse I don't see this happening anytime soon...

[ionas]

the engine behind safari is very good, maybe not the most extensible and best (i would consider gecko to be better) but one of the two best.

[mod. edit - Flames.]

[RndmAxess]

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[jxyama]

Originally posted by ionas
;p

sorry but u got following: no clue, no idea, no brain

;)

(i am flamey i know)

the engine behind safari is very good, maybe not the most extensible and best (i would consider gecko to be better) but one of the two best.

maybe you just dont know how to surf.

bye.

not sure if you are joking or not, but you'd better tone down. it's not necessary to put down others. if you are not interested in helping out, then don't post.

btw, of course safari engine is one of two best... there are only two major ones out there to begin with: gecko and khtml. (are there really no others?)

[Maritan]

I love Safari. Better than IE, and definitely the Mac version of IE.

However I have a couple of complaints:

1. Certain sites it won't load properly - even using the emulator in the Debug menu. For example - www.f1.com
Try it in Safari, and then try it in the Mac version of IE.
Safari also didn't let me join some group today on MSN. I had to fire up IE and then join the stinking group.

2. One thing I liked about IE on the Windows machine was that I could tab between buttons on pop-up questions. For example, when I log out of my email account, a dialog box asking me if I'm sure I want to log off comes up with 2 buttons - Yes and no. Now, on a Windows machine I could tab (using the tab key) between the buttons and hit the space bar to select the desired button. I didn't have to reach for the mouse always.
Does anyone know how to enable this feature in Panther?

Thanks.

[slipper]

Originally posted by Sabbath
I only really heard of tabbed browsing when I started using Safari, and I can't use browsers without it anymore. dude try camino, it has tabbed browsing. when you do get it, dont forget to customize your toolbar and add the 'add' and 'close' tab icon to the toolbar.

[neut]

Originally posted by hobbes3113
The one thing that I would like to see integrated into Safari would be the ability to navigate (i.e. go back/forward) using a three button mouse, or even a one button mouse when the ctrl key is pressed as is possible in IE. Unfortunately, given Apple's stance on the multi-button mouse I don't see this happening anytime soon...

get cocoa gestures (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18404&vid=88119). add whatever functionality you want.


peace.

[apelet]

Since nobody's mentioned it yet, you might also want to try Opera (http://www.opera.com). It's very usable and fast, and has nice things like tabs and mouse gestures.

The Mac version is stuck at 6.02 or something right now, but is still very good. I've used Opera 7 on Windows a lot, and it is nicer looking, faster, and comes with a useful mail client, among other things. The Mac version is supposed to be out any day now (for the last half year, but betas have been sighted). It's free but banners will appear after a couple of weeks unless you buy the registered version. Try it out.

[7on]

Originally posted by Maritan
I love Safari. Better than IE, and definitely the Mac version of IE.

However I have a couple of complaints:

1. Certain sites it won't load properly - even using the emulator in the Debug menu. For example - www.f1.com
Try it in Safari, and then try it in the Mac version of IE.
Safari also didn't let me join some group today on MSN. I had to fire up IE and then join the stinking group.

2. One thing I liked about IE on the Windows machine was that I could tab between buttons on pop-up questions. For example, when I log out of my email account, a dialog box asking me if I'm sure I want to log off comes up with 2 buttons - Yes and no. Now, on a Windows machine I could tab (using the tab key) between the buttons and hit the space bar to select the desired button. I didn't have to reach for the mouse always.
Does anyone know how to enable this feature in Panther?

Thanks.

prolly a "y" of "n"

I know "s" can be used for save and "d" (or cmd+d) for don't save.

[bousozoku]

I'm no fan of Safari but it's a better browser than Internet Exploder. e.g., certain pages show up blank after being built for quite a while. The only reason I have IE is because some sites require it.

[jliechty]

As a recnt "switcher" the biggest problem that I have with Safari is the inability to simply e-mail a webpage to somebody, this seems like it should be the simplest feature to include. You should be able to go to services-mail-email page. What is apple thinking not including this???

[neut]

Originally posted by jliechty
As a recnt "switcher" the biggest problem that I have with Safari is the inability to simply e-mail a webpage to somebody, this seems like it should be the simplest feature to include. You should be able to go to services-mail-email page. What is apple thinking not including this???

highlight the address then go to Services > Mail > (choose option).

peace.

[Counterfit]

Originally posted by RndmAxess
My main complaints center on bookmarks. This is one area where Safari get a failing grade.

I haven't figured out a way to sort bookmarks in Safari. I have even tried to "select all," then drag them to a folder on my desktop. I thought this would give me the ability to sort them how I choose using the finder, and also give me a backup of my bookmarks. Then after my finder sort/backup I would drag the sorted list back into Safari.

The problem is that only the *first* selected bookmark gets copied to the desktop. I have an enormous number of bookmarks, so doing this one at a time is out of the question.

My other bookmark complaint is that URL autofill doesn't recognize partial url/name entries. So if I don't type in the correct url starting from the beginning it won't find it at all. And searching by bookmark name rather than address isn't available at all!

For example: if I wanted to find previously bookmarked "my_localname_newspaper.com" and type in "local" I get ZERO. What if I can only remember the name of the paper or the name of the bookmark, but not the exact url? If I type "The New York Times" I get nothing. Explorer does this quickly and easily, why can't Safari?

And because I can't sort the bookmarks either by name or url I have to search manually down the list. What point is that when it's faster to google my search? If there is a way to do this let me know, and I will humbly retract my complaint. I don't care about being wrong, I just want to get some work done.

On a positive note I really like that I can use iSync to synchronize Safari bookmarks with my computers, even if I can't sort them later. You see that little book icon to the right of all the stuff in the bookmark bar? You click that and sort all your bookmarks in there. I'm guessing you didn't see the keynote?

[MarkCollette]

I really like Safari, and use it for 95% of my web browsing at home, since I switched to the Mac.

But I have two and a half issues with it:

1) As someone else mentionned, it doesn't multithread as much as I'd like, so when loading a lot of tabs I have to wait to be able to interact with existing, fully loaded, tabs, which I don't think should happen.

2) When I open a lot of tabs, instead of putting whatever doesn't fit across the window into a drop down list, instead I would prefer to have an additional row of tabs.

3) I don't know how to bookmark all of my tabs at once. I don't know if it's possible or not.

- Mark Collette

[Paolo30]

Has anybody tried Mozilla Firebird? It's prolly about 2 times faster safari, and it's free. It's got a nice icon, too.
:D

But then again, I've been burned by Apple so I'm going linux on my next computer...

Off topic? moi?:p

[multifinder]

Originally posted by Paolo30
Has anybody tried Mozilla Firebird? It's prolly about 2 times faster safari, and it's free. It's got a nice icon, too.
:D

But then again, I've been burned by Apple so I'm going linux on my next computer...

Off topic? moi?:p

I actually replaced the icon, that's the only thing about Firebird I don't like :p

I love Firebird overall--IMHO it feels faster than Camino or Safari, renders pages better than Safari, and the UI feels more Mac-like than Camino to me (at least in the newer pre-0.8 builds; Firebird 0.7 and earlier had a bug-ugly XP-like theme). If I'm Bill Gates I'd love Safari--by giving KHTML a boost instead of Gecko it fragments the already tiny non-IE world even further, helping ensure lazy web developers only test on IE.

[Counterfit]

2 times faster? Not on my computer. It takes a bit longer to start up, and loads pages about as fast. I much prefer the cleaner look of Safari, and it's easier bookmark sorting. That said, Firebird is a good browser, and it's far from being the crap that IE is, but due to the interface, it's my backup. Except on my school's intranet thing, schedule stuff needs IE :mad:

[bryanc]

Originally posted by jliechty
As a recnt "switcher" the biggest problem that I have with Safari is the inability to simply e-mail a webpage to somebody, this seems like it should be the simplest feature to include. You should be able to go to services-mail-email page. What is apple thinking not including this???

Hi jliechty,

As has already been suggested, you could use OS X's built-in services menu to accomplish this, but I, like you, wanted a 'one-click' solution to this, so I added an item on my bookmark bar with this code:

javascript:location.href='mailto:?SUBJECT='+document.title+'&BODY='+escape(location.href)

(To add this to your bookmark bar, copy the code above, click on Bookmarks->show all bookmarks, slect the bookmarks bar, click the '+' at the bottom of the right-hand pane to add an item, name it something like 'Email this URL', and paste the code into the address portion. Voila...one-click URL emailing).

Cheers

[hulugu]

Originally posted by jliechty
As a recnt "switcher" the biggest problem that I have with Safari is the inability to simply e-mail a webpage to somebody, this seems like it should be the simplest feature to include. You should be able to go to services-mail-email page. What is apple thinking not including this???

You need to hightlight the link and then the above will work, I just tried it with Panther. Also, you can just grab the URL and drag it onto your desktop or into Mail.
Furthermore, Safari has done a better job than Mozilla or Camino in rendering certain sites I go to and I really like Tabbed Browsing and how it handles bookmarks which is much easier to organize into catagories, etc. The Google toolbar is also cool.
Could Safari be better, yes, but it is the best free browser.

[jvaska]

Originally posted by multifinder
If I'm Bill Gates I'd love Safari--by giving KHTML a boost instead of Gecko it fragments the already tiny non-IE world even further, helping ensure lazy web developers only test on IE.

are you a professional web designer?...if you are, then you know that that is incorrect...i know more people testing much more extensively these days...and with css on the rise, this helps too...

i've been building a web application that works on all browsers...and i've been pretty impressed with safari for being only a version 1 so far...

because it uses compliant code (not that bork that m$ puts out) it has really kept me in line...although it css support needs to be ramped up even more...

however, i do like firebird quite alot, although i generally use safari...

[Pseudonym]

Originally posted by bryanc
Hi jliechty,

As has already been suggested, you could use OS X's built-in services menu to accomplish this, but I, like you, wanted a 'one-click' solution to this, so I added an item on my bookmark bar with this code:

javascript:location.href='mailto:?SUBJECT='+document.title+'&BODY='+escape(location.href)

(To add this to your bookmark bar, copy the code above, click on Bookmarks->show all bookmarks, slect the bookmarks bar, click the '+' at the bottom of the right-hand pane to add an item, name it something like 'Email this URL', and paste the code into the address portion. Voila...one-click URL emailing).

Cheers

Brilliant! Thanks. (BTW I had to delete the space between 'java' and 'script').

An even easier way of bookmarking the code is to paste it into the address bar and then drag it into the bookmark bar.