New to iTunes! 4/28 agreement.

[Fat Tony]

Burn playlists up to 7 times.

5 machines now authorized.

Movie previews.

Radio Charts.

[Wes]

Is this your guess or do you have some inside info?

[Fat Tony]

Is this your guess or do you have some inside info?

I just bought the new Beastie Boys tune and had to "agree" to the new terms before purchase. Give it a try.

[Kingsnapped]

I just bought the new Beastie Boys

Holy crap... I just got it buying "Fight For your Right."

small... freaky world.

[macguymike]

http://www.freewebs.com/digitaldraco/newitunes.JPG

Free single of the week! :D

[macguymike]

And you can download music videos, too... video + iTunes = video + iPod?? Hmm. ;)

iTunes 4.5 is out, too... (Edit: Oops. Jumped the gun. I clicked a button link in iTunes that said "Update" and it downloaded 4.2 again. D'oh!)

Included: WMA support (!!!), lossless encoder, wish list, iMix... wow. Heckuva first birthday for the iTMS.

Heheh.. got the first raiting on Steve's iMix (#100,001)!

[bertagert]

I'm guessing the songs that we have already purchased can be burned 7 times right? This is done through 4.5 and not the DRM in the file right?

I think the videos are only shown through the store (not on the ipod its self). Do you guys really think viewing video on an ipod would be important? I really can't imagine it being a used feature except for the coolness factor in the first month or so. Plus, the battery would just croak. I still think it's a few years away till we have batteries that could have the longevity to play video.

Good to hear about all the new benefits though!

[macguymike]

I think the videos are only shown through the store (not on the ipod its self). Do you guys really think viewing video on an ipod would be important?

They are only shown on the store, you are correct. Though, you can also download them now for $0.99 each, which is cool.

I was just playfully speculating when I made that suggestion about videos on the iPod. :)

[Awimoway]

A lot of changes are going down tonight, ahead of Steve's speech, which is kind of odd. All his thunder has been stolen, but the midnight updates don't seem like an accident to me.

See here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=818169#post818169) for more info.

iTunes 4.5 is now available for download, by the way.

[Nermal]

Free single of the week! :D

But it's not really free, you still need to enter a credit card number :(

[Horrortaxi]

I'm guessing the songs that we have already purchased can be burned 7 times right? This is done through 4.5 and not the DRM in the file right?

Good question. I've wondered this since iTMS started, but never needed to burn a playlist 10 (now 7) times to find out the answer. How does iTunes know how many times you've burned a playlist? Is it in the preferences? If you max out burning of a playlist and then delete the playlist, if you recreate it do you get another 7 burns? Or is it stored in the AAC file, so it knows which playlists it's been on? What if you rearrange the order of songs in a playlist? Does that count as a different playlist? Or if you just rename the playlist, is it a different playlist?

Overall I'm happy with the new rules. They decreased the number of times you can burn a playlist and took away unlimited iPods, but those are issues that never effected me. The raised the number of Macs you can authorize to 5, which is a good thing for me. For the average person with 1 computer and 1 iPod they won't even know the difference.

[wrldwzrd89]

Makes absolutely no difference to me, as I don't use the iTMS...but I'm a 1 Mac, 1 iPod user as well...so the changes wouldn't affect me anyway, even if I was an iTMS user.

[RHutch]

Good question. I've wondered this since iTMS started, but never needed to burn a playlist 10 (now 7) times to find out the answer. How does iTunes know how many times you've burned a playlist? Is it in the preferences? If you max out burning of a playlist and then delete the playlist, if you recreate it do you get another 7 burns? Or is it stored in the AAC file, so it knows which playlists it's been on? What if you rearrange the order of songs in a playlist? Does that count as a different playlist? Or if you just rename the playlist, is it a different playlist?

Overall I'm happy with the new rules. They decreased the number of times you can burn a playlist and took away unlimited iPods, but those are issues that never effected me. The raised the number of Macs you can authorize to 5, which is a good thing for me. For the average person with 1 computer and 1 iPod they won't even know the difference.


Where did you read that they took away unlimited iPods? I have read about this story in several places today, and I am sure that I read that you can still put your purchased music on an unlimited number of iPods.

[Horrortaxi]

Where did you read that they took away unlimited iPods? I have read about this story in several places today, and I am sure that I read that you can still put your purchased music on an unlimited number of iPods.
I think it was in the 4.5 EULA.

[RBMaraman]

I think it was in the 4.5 EULA.

You must have read it wrong. You can still put iTMS music on an unlimited number of iPods.

[Don't panic]

Good question. I've wondered this since iTMS started, but never needed to burn a playlist 10 (now 7) times to find out the answer. How does iTunes know how many times you've burned a playlist? Is it in the preferences? If you max out burning of a playlist and then delete the playlist, if you recreate it do you get another 7 burns? Or is it stored in the AAC file, so it knows which playlists it's been on? What if you rearrange the order of songs in a playlist? Does that count as a different playlist? Or if you just rename the playlist, is it a different playlist?

Overall I'm happy with the new rules. They decreased the number of times you can burn a playlist and took away unlimited iPods, but those are issues that never effected me. The raised the number of Macs you can authorize to 5, which is a good thing for me. For the average person with 1 computer and 1 iPod they won't even know the difference.

you can burn up to 7 CONSECUTIVE and IDENTICAL playlists.
any change will re-zero the count.

I relly think that in practical term it's an irrelevant change.
However, in principle, they changed an agreement and it sets a precedent. if they can do that any time they want, that's not good, because ay one point they might decide to change it to a much more restrictive DRM. basically it's not true that you purchased the music. It's more like a license.

[Makosuke]

you can burn up to 7 CONSECUTIVE and IDENTICAL playlists.
any change will re-zero the count.That may be correct, but at least somewhere was reporting that simply rearranging the playlist will NOT allow you to re-burn it. Minor annoyance, since most people really don't have much reason to burn more than 7 identical CDs unless they're giving away copies to everybody they know--one each for a couple of cars, one for your bookbag, one for home, and a couple to replace the ones that you loose, and you've still got one left over. Can always re-rip and re-burn or just do a direct copy of the CD if it matters that much, anyway.

I relly think that in practical term it's an irrelevant change. However, in principle, they changed an agreement and it sets a precedent. if they can do that any time they want, that's not good, because ay one point they might decide to change it to a much more restrictive DRM. basically it's not true that you purchased the music. It's more like a license.I mostly agree, but this is only partly true; if you don't upgrade to version 4.5 of iTunes, you are not subject to the new restrictions. So although it is indeed a licence, it's connected to the player software, not the music. Subtle difference, but it is important to a degree. And again, once you've burned a CD, that is your legit piece of music on the CD, free of any added-after-the-fact restrictions.

Incidentally, they must've done something to the music sharing protocol, because on my University network, all of the shared libraries show up, but the people who haven't yet upgraded to 4.5 show up as greyed when you update yourself (you also get a "not compatible with this version of iTunes" error if you try to view one).