Quark beta screenshot... oh yeah.

[galopagos]

Here's a screenshot from my iMac, running quark beta 5.5 (thanks to a close apple friend).

Enjoy!

[Choppaface]

:lol


did you put that there or did the developers do it?

[crassusad44]

Quark is already to late to play the OS X game. InDesign is making it's way into more and more print houses. Now let Quark bleed...

[mac15]

Well they turned upto late, the party's over......indesign is very far infront, but it look nice and It will bring more to Mac OS X

[Solipsys]

Indesign is indeed a better app and obviously integrates better into a production pipeline using other Adobe products, but so many companies rely on Quark on a daily basis that they won't switch because they'd rather stick to something they know works. Quark will still be around for years... on OS9 and X.
Hopefully this kind of software loyalty will work for Emagic/Apple's new strategy and we'll see a lot of PC Logic users coming over to Mac!

[crassusad44]

Originally posted by Solipsys
Hopefully this kind of software loyalty will work for Emagic/Apple's new strategy and we'll see a lot of PC Logic users coming over to Mac!

I read an interesting article on a pro-Wintel Norwegian computer website a couple of days ago. Of course, they complained and b*tched about Logic not beeing available for the Wintel platform anymore, but several of the people they interviewed were considering buying a Mac, rather than sticking with Winblows...

As for Quark, yes their userbase is quite strong, and many are afraid to switch. That's the only reason why Quark can announce version 5.0 without OS X support. But many firms and freelance designers have been pissed with Quark for quite some time already (really bad support, few and costy upgrades). Quark cannot continue to make fun of their costumers forever. With more and more print houses embrasing PDF, InDesign will hopefully become the new standard. Since most graphic designers already know several of the other Adobe apps, and since InDesign supports importing Quark documents, and supports Quark keyboard shortcuts, the transition will not be that hard either.... If Adobe could release a cocoa based «passport» version of InDesign, I would never look back!

[Moxiemike]

QuarkXPress, somehow managing to stay ugly, even in Beautiful Aqua.

What a bunch of crap! I am speechless and mortified at how idiotic the Quark Company is.

VIVA InDESIGN!

It ROCKS so HARD. And remember, I run my business on ID.... not some 16 year old designing brochures for the neighborhood cat groomer.

[menoinjun]

Hmm...what kind of business? I'm a budding graphic designer who just graduated from Duquesne University, and I am currently looking for a job. Do you have any openings? I live in Swissvale and currently have my resume ready. If not your company, do you know of any others who might be hiring in the area?

Thanks.

-Pete

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by ptrauber
Hmm...what kind of business? I'm a budding graphic designer who just graduated from Duquesne University, and I am currently looking for a job. Do you have any openings? I live in Swissvale and currently have my resume ready. If not your company, do you know of any others who might be hiring in the area?

Thanks.

-Pete

Hey. I'd be interested in seeing some of your stuff. I do design... and sometimes use freelancers, but am not in the position to hire as of yet.

You could IM if you like. It's on my profile

[iH8Quark]

Effective July 14, Adobe will rename its industry-leading publishing program formerly known as Adobe InDesign. The new name and logo are as follows:

[tortus]

I love it. It is nice to know that there are people out there that hate Quark as much as I do. Since I have switched to InDesign, my production time has dropped 1/3. I love hotkeys. Quark lacks hot keys. InDesign has all the familiar hotkeys and paradigms that other Adobe programs have. I decree...Quark sucks!

Oh yeah, did I mention LAYERS! Die Qiark Die!

[job]

Originally posted by tortus
Oh yeah, did I mention LAYERS! Die Qiark Die!

lol. :D I just got Illustrator 10 and have absolutly no idea what to do with it. :rolleyes:

[Hemingray]

I'm sorry, but I hope Quark burns in hell! They had the gall to release 5.0 not only horribly late, but AFTER most of us had transitioned to OS X! What a joke! I truly hope Adobe takes over with InDesign. We've been too masochistic waiting for Quark to get their act together for too long.

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by Hemingray
I'm sorry, but I hope Quark burns in hell! They had the gall to release 5.0 not only horribly late, but AFTER most of us had transitioned to OS X! What a joke! I truly hope Adobe takes over with InDesign. We've been too masochistic waiting for Quark to get their act together for too long.

AND HOW!!!!!

[tortus]

Just wanted to come back and tell Quark to die and burn in hell some more.

Oh yeah, one more thing, LAYERS!!!!!!!

[Choppaface]

wow...even versiontracker has less brand hostility :rolleyes:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by tortus
Just wanted to come back and tell Quark to die and burn in hell some more.

Oh yeah, one more thing, LAYERS!!!!!!!

well at least u didn't give PageSucker a good review... ;)

anyway...I haven't even gone to 5.0 yet...still on 4.11....I'd take Quark over anything else any day....

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by eyelikeart


well at least u didn't give PageSucker a good review... ;)

anyway...I haven't even gone to 5.0 yet...still on 4.11....I'd take Quark over anything else any day....

until you try InDesign. :) i bet you'd switch. Liza switched...

[MacRumorSkeptic]

Lets all finally put Quark to rest in Hell! We're talking about software that just now with the latest version has got layers as a new feature, still doesn't have multiple undos, is lacking of useful keyboard shortcuts, and needs a million plug-ins to be a complete program! Please everyone in the print industry switch to Indesign already! Its a million years ahead of Quark in features and ease of use!

[dongmin]

I agree that ID2 is way more advanced than Quark but it could still use the competition. A big reason why Quark has lagged so much in development is b/c it had no real competition for so long. Now, it's feeling the heat, finally.

[D*I*S_Frontman]

Good point, Dongmin. Without competition the pace of innovation slows. No excuse for the extremely slow port process to make Quark OSX native, and this may be their death knell as the dominant Apple print production software package. And yes, provided the screenshot isn't a fake, it IS ugly and still very OS9sh.

I interfaced with print shops in my last job as sales/mktg manager for a small publishing concern. Print shops are all married to Quark and file incompatabilites are probably their #1 productivity drain, period. Most shops now switch hit between Quark and InDesign but are skittish about it, and if you hand them a project done in Quark they breathe a small sigh of relief.

This is not to say anything negative about InDesign. I have never used it, but I am assuming that the integration between Photoshop, Illustrator, PageMaker, Acrobat and InDesign makes it an extremely appealing option--and likely the platform of the future. But make no mistake--there will be resistance.

[Jays]

looks like a fake screenshot to me...

and notice how the desktop icons are on the left side of the screen ala windows...

[non fiction]

My first taste of the graphics world was with Adobe products, and I have use them all ever since. They are simply the best and most productive programs available. InDesign v Quark? There are many issues. Quark is an industrial strength program. Ugly - yes, Reliable - yes, Industry Standard - yes. I have to agree with D*I*S_Frontman. The bottom line for print houses is productivity, and Quark produces. I think we (macrumors) represent the minority, and to date, I know of very few print houses that are running OSX for full output.

I have been tinkering with OSX since its introduction and will be incouraging my office to spend the money to upgrade my Mac with all OSX versions of software as soon as Jaguar is released. I have to contend with an NT network and am the only Mac user in the building - annoying.

I have used Adobe Illustrator 6 out of 7 days a week for almost a ten years, and it is my all time favourite program. Photoshop - I feel like you can keep looking deeper into that program forever. Acrobat - is clearly the way of the future and just so cool. Pagemaker - what a piece of ****. Why did it take soooo long for Adobe to cross the line? InDesign - I have been watching its progress closely, and the latest version is very very nice, but I can't help but think that although it integrates into the other Adobe products like a dream, it is a replication of Quark in terms of overall function (with many sweet additions) but just doesn't cut it. I know the Adobe feel like the back of my hand, but it is simply more difficult to do basic formatting with InDesign. I think it is becasue they have included too many tools and options. The true greatness of Quark is its simplicity. There is only a hand fool of tools. It is just a layout and output program and that is all it does. The fusion of features between Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign has, in my opinion, made them very verbose. As with the iMac - each element should be true to itself. Illustrator does not need to be a multipage program - that is why they make InDesign.

I have just implemeted InDesign on all the PC's in the design room, and I just cannot get things done as quickly as with Quark. As for quickkeys - Quark is the quick keys king of programs, you just have to know them.

Quark needs to produce the goods with this next version for OSX. They have an arrogant feeling about them and always have. They have taken their time, but thats what they should have done. They have an entire Mac dominated industry to deliver too, so they cannot afford to **** it up. InDesign has had many rushed releases over the last few years and in some areas they have left Quark for dead, but I cannot see InDesign sending Quark to hell in any great hurry.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Moxiemike
until you try InDesign. :) i bet you'd switch. Liza switched...

I tried in[ept]design back when I was in prepress, and it blew... Quark did everything we told it to and didn't b*tch at us at all. I just want to get a copy of Quark that will run native under OS X... I hope that they can release a patch/update that will allow it to run native, that would be a smart move.

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
I hope that they can release a patch/update that will allow it to run native, that would be a smart move.

The Quark Company? Smart? Never. :)

heehee.

I agree that Quark is easier on prepress people, simply because it's what most know. My printshop hated ID until they familiarized themselves with it--thanks to me. :)

[bousozoku]

It's about time that QuarkXPress has gone native for Mac OS X. It will probably still be months, as their development can languish forever on almost nothing.

I have a few questions, and they concern Adobe Photoshop as well.

When will XTensions be available for Mac OS X?

When will professional scanner and printer drivers be available?

If you have to switch back and forth between Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X, what's the use? Photoshop is available now, but plug-ins are slow in arriving, partly due to a new plug-in format.

Print houses depend on workflow enhancements that are probably not available yet and keep things deeply rooted in Mac OS 9.

Until these are available, the switch will be minimal. It's easy to switch to InDesign but, there aren't many enhancements for it. Some are built-in, but are they enough?

[3rdpath]

just for the record....

THIS IS A FAKE SCREENSHOT.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
just for the record....

THIS IS A FAKE SCREENSHOT.

When did you become an exspurt on reality??? :p

[neilt]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


When did you become an exspurt on reality??? :p

The guy who posted it admited it:
http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&postid=101049#post101049

nt

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by neilt


The guy who posted it admited it:
http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&postid=101049#post101049

nt
thanks neilt...

i was afraid i was gonna have to open the ol can of whoop@ss on alpha.

:p :D :eek: ;) :D :p

[galopagos]

...or did I just say that to get you guys to forget it before New York? Huh, what to believe anymore...

[Chuck]

Well, I'm a die-hard Quark man, but I have to use InDesign on a job at the moment...

InDesign is supposed to be so much more flexible than Quark, but I can't even figure out how to apply a colour to a greyscale tif file!!!!!!

How do I do it? ANYONE?

Chuck.

[beatle888]

heres a requirement listed for quark 6

TCP/IP network for site license (using Quark License Administrator)

is this quirk license administrator new?



and here is a picture they posted a while ago.

quirk (http://www.quark.com/products/xpress/images/xp6/series1_details.jpg)

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Moxiemike
QuarkXPress, somehow managing to stay ugly, even in Beautiful Aqua.

What a bunch of crap! I am speechless and mortified at how idiotic the Quark Company is.

VIVA InDESIGN!

It ROCKS so HARD. And remember, I run my business on ID.... not some 16 year old designing brochures for the neighborhood cat groomer.

How did Quark manage to take the same 12+ year old visual design into a new environment? Are those black and white icons in the toolbar nostalgic? Are they put there in reverence of the first Macintosh? Maybe, it's just that Quark doesn't have any visual designers to go with the lack of good programmers.

It reminds me of what Symantec did with the Macintosh programming market.

[zarathustra]

Originally posted by Chuck
Well, I'm a die-hard Quark man, but I have to use InDesign on a job at the moment...

InDesign is supposed to be so much more flexible than Quark, but I can't even figure out how to apply a colour to a greyscale tif file!!!!!!

How do I do it? ANYONE?

Chuck.

You select the Tif with the direct selection tool (white arrow). Then you click on a spot color in your swatches palette. hmmm. That was DIFFICULT.

[alset]

your pinstripes are pretty thick. What version of OS X are you running?

As for Quark, it's about time.

Dan

[zarathustra]

Originally posted by alset
your pinstripes are pretty thick. What version of OS X are you running?
Dan

My pinstripes are the same as in other apps and machines (I actually went and tested it), all running 10.2.4. Maybe you are looking at it zoomed in on a 1024x768 monitor.

[beatle888]

Originally posted by zarathustra
You select the Tif with the direct selection tool (white arrow). Then you click on a spot color in your swatches palette. hmmm. That was DIFFICULT.



:D

[Chuck]

Originally posted by zarathustra
You select the Tif with the direct selection tool (white arrow). Then you click on a spot color in your swatches palette. hmmm. That was DIFFICULT.

Well I must be missing something. That was one of the first things I tried before even sending the post. Trying it again it still doesn't work, but don't worry about helping me out mate - I wouldn't want you to lower yourself again.

c

[beatle888]

i think he just responded that way because your post was sort of like, indesign is suppose to be so intuitive but i cant even color a grey scale tiff.

[beatle888]

i just tried it and it worked for me.

make sure you have the WHITE arrow (direct selection tool) in the tool pallet selected, its the tool to the right of the BLACK arrow (selection tool).

make sure its a tiff

make sure its grey scale

[Chuck]

Got it now. In Quark, if a picture box is selected, you can then change between tools and that tool will then apply to the image in the selected box. It seems in InDesign if you have selected the main box with the closed selection tool and then you select the open selection tool, you have to then click on the image again in order for that tool to apply to the image.

That's where my problem was. Thanks for helping me out.

While we're on the topic of things I can't figure out in InDesign, is it possible to put something (like a text box) in a master page, and then edit the text box in one of the document pages? It looks to me as if everything in the master pages is locked once you go and try to alter it in the document pages... I'm trying to set up the master page with a space for page headings etc, but then when I go to the document I can't actually alter the content of the text box.

Chuck.

[Chuck]

Don't worry about that last question... I've been inside the User's Guide and found out about the Command + Shift thing...

Chuck.

[j33pd0g]

I wish I could use indesign where I work... I have tried the demo and I like it... not to mention that it opened all of our previous templates/pages perfectly.
It is sad, but I fear the company I work for will never be big on updating/upgrading. We have g3 power macs with 96 megs of ram (some people still have older macs), and are all running a 68k version of QuarkXPress 4.01.
To make things worse... 4 months ago we were bought out by a larger publication... (PC Freaks) I now fear that they will dump quark, shun indesign, and switch to something stupid like - MS Word!
I feal that Quark dragging their feet is a reason why the prior owners of my workplace had never upgraded to OS X... and now, now I am doomed. Screw Quark!

[Chuck]

Anyone know why my guides keep disappearing on me in ID? I'm doing the master pages and every time I drag a guide onto the page the previous one I did disappears. It seems as though it's still there because things snap to it, but I can't see it anymore. I've definitely got "Show Guides" selected and I can't work out why they keep disappearing. Had a look in the manual and can't find out there either...

???

Many thanks if you can help.

Chuck.

[zarathustra]

Originally posted by Chuck
Anyone know why my guides keep disappearing on me in ID? I'm doing the master pages and every time I drag a guide onto the page the previous one I did disappears. It seems as though it's still there because things snap to it, but I can't see it anymore. I've definitely got "Show Guides" selected and I can't work out why they keep disappearing. Had a look in the manual and can't find out there either...

???

Many thanks if you can help.

Chuck.

I am going to revive this old thread...

There could be several things:

1. you are dragging the guides onto a layer that's hidden. Unhide the layer.

2. InDesign has a feature to hide the guides after you zoom out a certain percentage. Try adjusting that. (It's under Layout>Ruler Guides)

3. You are in preview mode. Push "W" with nothing selected. This will switch to layout mode. This feature hides bounding boxes, bleeds, guides, etc.