GTA IV on Crossover

[macosxisdabest]

Is GTA IV compatible on Crossover games? The game is for Windows, but I want to run it on Mac OS X Leopard.

[aaron.lee2006]

I'm not sure if it will work under CrossOver. But just for the record GTA IV is an extreme resource hog. My PC with 2.66 C2D/5GB DDR2/9800 GTX had trouble running it. You better have an extremely powerful Mac to run it.

[macosxisdabest]

I'm not sure if it will work under CrossOver. But just for the record GTA IV is an extreme resource hog. My PC with 2.66 C2D/5GB DDR2/9800 GTX had trouble running it. You better have an extremely powerful Mac to run it.

I have iMac OS X v10.5 "Leopard" 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.

The game was successfully installed, but the release date check can't be checked online (even though my internet is fine). It's stuck at 30% and after a while, it says it cannot perform release date check :( .

[manmeet]

You can use cider!

[tabasco70]

youre going to have to run it under bootcamp, or at least get a ciderized version.
and make sure you have a machine with specs better than the listed requirements.
crossovers only useful for apps that arent graphically intensive.
and as aaron said, gtaiv is a resource hog and i doubt a virtual envirnment (crossover) can provide you with smooth gameplay

[macosxisdabest]

youre going to have to run it under bootcamp, or at least get a ciderized version.
and make sure you have a machine with specs better than the listed requirements.
crossovers only useful for apps that arent graphically intensive.
and as aaron said, gtaiv is a resource hog and i doubt a virtual envirnment (crossover) can provide you with smooth gameplay

There is no ciderized version of GTA IV (at least not that I know of). I also tried Windows XP on Parallels, but it does not meet several requirements (free disc space and video card, mainly) and I cannot launch Rockstar Games Social Club (problem with dotnetfx3).

[Zortrium]

I'm not sure if it will work under CrossOver. But just for the record GTA IV is an extreme resource hog. My PC with 2.66 C2D/5GB DDR2/9800 GTX had trouble running it. You better have an extremely powerful Mac to run it.

My secondhand understanding of the PC GTA IV port is that it's not so much a general resource hog as a poor port of a console game that heavily relies on having 3 cores (since that's what the consoles are using). As a result, it runs very badly on anything less than a quad-core PC -- I don't think it's that your CPU or GPU is too slow, you just don't have enough cores.

Of course, this won't help the 90% of us Mac users without Mac Pros.

[macosxisdabest]

My secondhand understanding of the PC GTA IV port is that it's not so much a general resource hog as a poor port of a console game that heavily relies on having 3 cores (since that's what the consoles are using). As a result, it runs very badly on anything less than a quad-core PC -- I don't think it's that your CPU or GPU is too slow, you just don't have enough cores.

Of course, this won't help the 90% of us Mac users without Mac Pros.

Where can I get those cores? Has anyone ever successfully installed their GTA IV game on Parallels Windows XP?

[LouisBlack]

Where can I get those cores? Has anyone ever successfully installed their GTA IV game on Parallels Windows XP?

Urm... let's just say that you will not be able to run this game... especially using Parallels.

You might be able to get it running on Windows using Bootcamp at VERY low graphics settings... but that will depend on your graphics card as we don't really know which iMac you have.

[andrew upstairs]

Where can I get those cores?Easy! You buy a Mac Pro.

[Dagless]

This might be something to use Bootcamp for...

[Rodus]

Has anyone ever successfully installed their GTA IV game on Parallels Windows XP?

Not a hope in hell. Parallels virtualizes a graphics card in software, many older games play horribly slowly on it let alone a modern one like GTA IV. If you already have a copy of XP then set it up under Bootcamp and try it that way.

[winninganthem]

Psh, the game lags even on normal Windows systems, don't even think about emulating it lol.

[macosxisdabest]

I will try it, anyway. I have Intel Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard. I will write about how it went later :). Boot camp - I can only buy it, not download it, and that sucks.

[Rodus]

^^what? Bootcamp comes with Leopard (Bootcamp assistant is in the Utilities folder). If you already have windows then just install it that way, don't waste your time trying something that absolutely will not work.

[macosxisdabest]

^^what? Bootcamp comes with Leopard (Bootcamp assistant is in the Utilities folder). If you already have windows then just install it that way, don't waste your time trying something that absolutely will not work.

Mine says "Boot Camp Assistant Beta has expired".

[dolphindolphin]

There is no ciderized version of GTA IV (at least not that I know of). I also tried Windows XP on Parallels, but it does not meet several requirements (free disc space and video card, mainly) and I cannot launch Rockstar Games Social Club (problem with dotnetfx3).

for the "dotnetfx3" error, just download microsoft .net framewrok version 3.5. But that is the least of your problems.

[macosxisdabest]

for the "dotnetfx3" error, just download microsoft .net framewrok version 3.5. But that is the least of your problems.

Yeah, I fixed it :). Now the main problem is dd3d50 error, which appears few minutes after I launch the game.

[Rodus]

dd3D50 error means that GTA can't find a DirectX 9 compatible video card due to you running a virtualized 3D card rather then a real one. I'm also pretty sure Rockstar are running a DRM system on GTA 4 that can tell if it's running on a virtual machine and refuse to boot even if you could get around the other problems, even Rockstar have stated it won't run on Parallels.
Bootcamp shouldn't have expired, the one bundled with Leopard is a full version so maybe it's time for an OS X reinstall.

[macosxisdabest]

dd3D50 error means that GTA can't find a DirectX 9 compatible video card due to you running a virtualized 3D card rather then a real one.

Darn! How do I fix it? I don't have a real one.

[Rodus]

You have a real one in your Mac but Parallels and VMWare fusion can't access it, hence they vitualize a 3D card using the CPU, the only way to get Windows to fully utalize your 3D card is with Bootcamp.
Oh and Crossover but as already said, they aren't compatible. (http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=5088)

[LouisBlack]

As was mentioned Boot Camp is installed in 10.5 Leopard. If you are running the beta then you must be using Tiger... Unless something very weird has happened.

Just buy an XBox 360 for £129 and forget about gaming on a Mac... It's more trouble than it's worth.

[Zortrium]

You have a real one in your Mac but Parallels and VMWare fusion can't access it, hence they vitualize a 3D card using the CPU, the only way to get Windows to fully utalize your 3D card is with Bootcamp.
Oh and Crossover but as already said, they aren't compatible. (http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=5088)

Not exactly true -- Parallels and VMware both offer support for limited 3D acceleration, albeit not up to what you'd get in Bootcamp. Still, it's enough to play some fairly recent 3D games like Half-Life 2.

[Rodus]

^^But they're not actually using the 3D card, they are simply virtualizing a Dx9 compatible video adapter hence the generally poor performance. AFAIK OS X won't let a virtualized OS have any direct access to the GPU.

[Zortrium]

^^But they're not actually using the 3D card, they are simply virtualizing a Dx9 compatible video adapter hence the generally poor performance. AFAIK OS X won't let a virtualized OS have any direct access to the GPU.

They certainly are using the 3D card -- maybe not "directly", but somewhere along the line the GPU is definitely used. You're not going to be able to play a 3D game like Half-Life 2 on a CPU alone.

[Rodus]

The 3D card is emulated, guest OS's can't directly access it.

From VMWare
Video cards are an example of a device which assumes it is controlled by exactly one OS. If a guest were to be able to access a graphics card directly, it could draw anywhere on screen it wanted, affect host textures, etc. Even a well-intentioned guest would cause problems, because it wouldn't be aware of what the host is doing ("Hey, what's this texture? I don't recognize it, must not be important!" and then your windows/icon/desktop/menus/etc. disappear). It's not possible to dedicate an entire graphics card to the guest either, since the underlying buses are also not safe to pass through - see for example Re: Guest able to directly access PCI cards for a good explanation.

Because of this, we take the emulation approach. The guest sees a VMware video card, and we do the work of converting guest commands into something that's safe and usable for the host video card. There's no point in installing drivers for the host video card in the guest (with the exception of Boot Camp virtual machines, where you might want to native boot) since the guest never gets to speak directly to the host video card.

Sure the card is being utilized in the end but only after translations and emulation

[macosxisdabest]

All right, after researching Boot Camp, I am abandoning Parallels and will try to install GTA IV on Parallels. Thank you for your response, Rodus :).

[Dagless]

I am abandoning Parallels and will try to install GTA IV on Parallels.

Say what?

[Rodus]

Trust me mate, Bootcamp is the best way. I avoided it like the plague for ages and tried Fusion, CrossOver etc but for many games this isn't enough and by not using Windows I was missing out on some great gaming.

[chstr]

Say what?

im sure he meant bootcamp :p

[macosxisdabest]

Yeah, except I am having problems partitioning the disk in Boot Camp... I need to back up the driver and I don't know how to do it... :confused:

[Jonas1991]

Right, I wanna just return to the first topic we were discussing here:

I have iMac OS X v10.5 "Leopard" 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.

The game was successfully installed, but the release date check can't be checked online (even though my internet is fine). It's stuck at 30% and after a while, it says it cannot perform release date check :( .

I had the EXACT same problem as it happens. :( It does however give you an option of checking the release data manually, down in the bottom left corner of the window. It works smoothly, and at the a message pops up telling you that it has been successfully completed and everything... However as soon as you move on from there; nothing really happens... This is EXTREMELY frustrating as the installation itself, takes ages. :mad: I don't understand at all... Usually when something is completely finished installing etc, etc; crossover should start making the actual bottle, but it doesn't continue...
I suppose there must be a reasonable answer to my question. Anyone care to elaborate? :confused:

[eXan]

Yeah, except I am having problems partitioning the disk in Boot Camp... I need to back up the driver and I don't know how to do it... :confused:

?? You dont need to back up anything. All you need is Windows and Leopard installation disks.

[philrunclimb]

I've been trying to get GTA 4 running on my Dec 2007 Macbook white.

I think the main problem is the lack of a proper gfx card in my machine.. but just want to know if anyone has managed to run it at all.

I have done the following

1- partitioned my disc using Bootcamp
2- installed Vista (I know, bought it and dont ahve XP)
3 - installed a hunk of Vista updates including SP1 and SP2
4 - I'm now getting RESC10 error when the game starts up (just after the copyright warning) ... this appears to relate to "not enough video memory" ... I've read a lot of game websites /forums and seen suggestions that by incleasing the paging you can get round this.

HOWEVER.. has anyone managed to run GTA4 on an older macbook white??

ta

Phil

[philrunclimb]

Oh and I meant to say... ref Bootcamp... my Macbook was one with Mac OS alerady installed but NO bootcamp.. I had to insert the Mac Leopard OS disc and install it myself... apparently someone in the Mac factory forgot !

[Dagless]

OMFG no. You are never going to get GTAIV running on that system. You'd have more chance running Crysis.

[HeroBiX]

Crossover what I know is running old games from middle 90' and parallels can't use all the power that your mac posses, since it has to run two operative system at once, Mac Pro could do it, but... then you have to pay a bit for that ;)

so... boot camp is da best =) I have to install it on my MB again so I can run Heroes II & Heroes III *dreams of* or maybe just try parallels insteed, we will se =)

[Rodus]

Mac Pro could do it, but... then you have to pay a bit for that ;)

Fraid not, you'd still hit the same graphics card problems. GTA IV can only be done via Boot Camp.