So, Will Tiger work on G3's and G4's or not?

[Pipian]

For some reason, there is some debate to this..

[gbojim]

It will run on a G4. Not sure about G3's. If no one knows I can send an email to my programmer at WWDC and have her ask.

[Pipian]

Could you please ask? I'll give you good Karma for it!

[Sun Baked]

Darn close to being an OS that'll ship on DVD...

[Indiana Mac]

If it will run on a G4 there should not be any reason why it could not run on a G3(as far as I understand it). Its my understanding that Tiger just further integrated 64-bit componets into the system to allow the G5s to take advantage of their true potential. Besides, there are a ton of G3 users out there(my self included) who'd be very unhappy.

64-Bit in Tiger (http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/64bit.html)

[ChrisFromCanada]

Apple has always been pretty good with allowing older computers run current operating systems so I guess as Sun Baked said the question is will is ship on a DVD (which will not work in macs with CD-ROM drives).

[Mac_Max]

It'll run on all the models Apple supports in 10.3 with the possible exception of the Lombard & original iMac line.

[PlaceofDis]

they probably wont ship if only on DVDs, they may make a CD-Rom version and a DVD version, but not only a DVD, some of the emacs not too long ago (and maybe still) can come with only a CD-ROM drive, and thus they would not want to lose those sales, ect....

[gbojim]

The response was that Tiger technically will run on a G3 but the Quartz based goodies will obviously not work. This came from one of the Apple engineers. He did not know anything re marketing plans.

[Pipian]

It would make no sense for it not to work on non DVD Drives.. That would mean the first White iMacs wouldn't work.. Or iBooks as new as this last October

[kidA]

you can still get ibooks with only cd rom drives in the education store, so i'd imagine that 10.4 will be offered on both CD and DVD.
not to mention the fact that the xserve generally has only a cdrom drive. so the newest version of server will have to ship on cd roms.

[Coca-Cola]

I hope it doesn't run on G3 iMacs. I need an excuse to get rid of my wife's iMac and get a new G5.

[caveman_uk]

At this point in time there aren't that many G5's around compared to the number of G3s and G4s. It would be the non-event of the decade to release an OS that only runs on G5's.

[adamjay]

At this point in time there aren't that many G5's around compared to the number of G3s and G4s. It would be the non-event of the decade to release an OS that only runs on G5's.

kinda like how the 30" LCD's only run on G5's

[stoid]

kinda like how the 30" LCD's only run on G5's

Disregarding the absolute necessity of needing a special video card to drive the thing...

I doubt that many people have $3299 to get a monitor just for casual use. If you NEED to have that kind of monitor, chances are you NEED a G5 as well.

What is your need for a monitor that size?

[adamjay]

no need really. but it does match my no need for an OS that's been written more for the G5 than anything else.

the point i was trying to make is that the 30" Display is in reality just as much a non-event as Tiger would be if it were only for G5's.
Considering outside of the cost for the display alone, one without a G5 would have to pay at least $2600 just to have the equipment to use it.

[tliptak]

The Panther was 3 cds

2 700mb ones

and one smaller 300mb?

The Dev release of Tiger is about 1670mb.

If the final is still around that size it would still be able to be released on 3 cds.

[stoid]

Does the developer release contain all the localizations? BTW, does the Voice Over technology work in other languages? I've never heard the Apple voices speaking anything but English.

[psycho bob]

Apparently built in firewire is a requirement of 10.4. However as many patches and workarounds were released to allow 10.3 to work on legacy machine I'm sure the same will happen again.

[iJon]

i dont see apple catering to the non dvd group to much. i feel the final copy of tiger will be released on a dvd, and just like the readme says, require a dvd drive and a mac with built in firewire. now i can see apple selling a custom box with cd's, but i highly doubt it. i think for the early ibook and emac users it will be time to either upgrade to a new machine, stay with panther, or invest in a exteral combo drive.

iJon

[Mord]

i'll eat my own head if the final release is on a dvd there are macs sold today without dvd drives (edu ones) and yes it will work on a g3 i have it on my ibook now (600MHz CD installed it in firewire disk mode from my cube)

all it will require is a mac with on board firewire which is reasonable.

and for the rest there is always xpostfacto (see www.macsales.com)

[stoid]

There is one MAJOR problem with Tiger not working on older computers, and that is in the education market. Almost all schools will only upgrade computers as often as they can afford it, and never all the computers at once. From a technical standpoint, it is incredibly difficult to be running different versions of an operating system. I work at a high school preparing computers for a new school year. This summer we are finally making a total transition to Mac OS X. If Tiger only supports DVD capable computers, about 75% or our machines will not take it. However, the school is often given money with the directive to buy new computers whether it is from the government or an alumni. After Tiger comes out, chance are new Apple's will not be able to boot in Panther. We will then be split between two systems, making it much harder for our media director to do his job. Please Apple, give us CDs or don't FORCE the new computers to boot Tiger.

[iJon]

There is one MAJOR problem with Tiger not working on older computers, and that is in the education market. Almost all schools will only upgrade computers as often as they can afford it, and never all the computers at once. From a technical standpoint, it is incredibly difficult to be running different versions of an operating system. I work at a high school preparing computers for a new school year. This summer we are finally making a total transition to Mac OS X. If Tiger only supports DVD capable computers, about 75% or our machines will not take it. However, the school is often given money with the directive to buy new computers whether it is from the government or an alumni. After Tiger comes out, chance are new Apple's will not be able to boot in Panther. We will then be split between two systems, making it much harder for our media director to do his job. Please Apple, give us CDs or don't FORCE the new computers to boot Tiger.
alright, first lets clear some things up. what is your definition of older computers, that will answer many questions. now you are right about computers that ship with tiger, they will not be able to go lower. but i do not find that a problem, as long as all computers are on mac os x. i can go throw my powerbook in a mix of 10, 10.1, 10.3, and a DP 10.4 and they would all connect with no problems, even if if i was in a os 9 enviroment it would work all great, even if i had a windows machine it would work superb.

iJon

[stoid]

We have an entire lab of 400Mhz slot-loading Ruby iMacs, but come to think of it they do have FireWire, so we can use them in target disk or what not to install. The big problem we have with running different versions of Mac OS X is really the teacher/student end. When the interfaces are not consistent it confuses or irritates the less than computer savvy types that are so prevalent at our school. And when the users are having problems, everyone has problems.

[iJon]

We have an entire lab of 400Mhz slot-loading Ruby iMacs, but come to think of it they do have FireWire, so we can use them in target disk or what not to install. The big problem we have with running different versions of Mac OS X is really the teacher/student end. When the interfaces are not consistent it confuses or irritates the less than computer savvy types that are so prevalent at our school. And when the users are having problems, everyone has problems.
now i completly agree on the different interfaces, nothing is worse than having to memorize multiple systsm to help out people, and i do go through that every day. "is you apple in the the top left colored of blue"..."it's neither, now what" :)

iJon

[stoid]

I think for sanity's sake we are probably just going to disable Exposé.

"What?!? Where'd all my stuff go?!?!!!!?" :D

[Windowlicker]

Darn close to being an OS that'll ship on DVD...

yeah, well they already ship the system on DVD with the computers that have at least combo drives (= every computer). So my guess is that off the shelve the system will still be on CD. No reason making two different production lines for that purpose.

....and they will ship it on dvd with future computers just like they do now.

[7on]

or follow the iLife route and have a CD and DVD version in the same box. For $130 a pop they can afford 4 disks in the box. ;P

Also I'm sure there is a network install that you can use for school computers.

[MarkCollette]

I hope it doesn't run on G3 iMacs. I need an excuse to get rid of my wife's iMac and get a new G5.

Somehow, I feel compelled to help you. You can add the need to give your old iMac to me, as further reason to get a new G5 ;)

[mkrishnan]

I hope it doesn't run on G3 iMacs. I need an excuse to get rid of my wife's iMac and get a new G5.

I swear, I called Apple Tech Support, and it supports the iMac, but only the floral print one. All the others won't run it. I did everything I could!!! :p

They should totally ship CD/DVD in the same box. The cost of the media must be <$5....

So my iBook G4 came with Panther on DVD? I never bothered to really look at it carefully beyond noting that there was a disk. ;)

[mmmdreg]

I'm sure it'll be fine on everything that supports OSX because OSX is OSX, regardless of little modifications.. So I'm assuming there will be cd versions of the installer even though there may also be dvd versions and dvd system installer disks for the various computers..

[MacRy]

What about the Core Graphics thingy - will that work on a G4? I'm guessing that it's just an updated Quartz extreme type thing.

[JFreak]

What about the Core Graphics thingy - will that work on a G4? I'm guessing that it's just an updated Quartz extreme type thing.

yes, it is quarz extreme addon. most likely they will keep the qe name and not change it in any way. it is not CPU dependant at all, but i think it will not work on G3 because those supported graphics cards cannot (?) be installed on one. the G4 should be very well in the game, as this current powerbook will also support the new tech.

this is exactly the same than microsoft has to do with its longhorn. not all computers sold at the longhorn release time will have enough graphics power, unless the release is further delayed past 2007 ;)

strange thing, though, that nobody in the wintel crowd is complaining about strict hardware requirements set by microsoft. maybe because the release date is so embarassingly far away? but we mac users feel the need to whine about the fact that not all computers sold this year would be able to take full advantage of the technology that will be released next year. come on?

[JFreak]

They should totally ship CD/DVD in the same box. The cost of the media must be <$5....

they will ship the operating system retail boxes on cd media only, because they think about regular joe and don't want to cause any confusion. they will likely change the retail box to dvd media only after all apple computers have had dvd-rom for some time...

currently they include dvd media for all computers with builtin dvd-rom capability. that's good enough.

[Sweetfeld28]

First of all, i think that Apple will only continue to support the Macs which can run Panther. This is Apple's way of 1) cutting back on the support for all the various Macs they make; and 2) thus, this is their way of phasing some computers out of their OS support.

Second, i think that they should have Tiger on DVD and CD. My G4 will run Tiger, but my beefed up G3 will not unless finding a work around installer. Besides i don't think that Apple will not support those people that don't have a specific ROM drive. I mean didn't Apple have a DVD and CD-ROM disc versions for iLife?

Correction--

System Requirements
Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
-600MHz G3 or faster required for GarageBand; G4 or G5 required for GarageBand software instruments

256MB of physical RAM
Display with at least 1024-by-768-pixel resolution
Mac OS X v10.2.6 or later (v10.2.8 or later recommended)
QuickTime 6.4 or later (QuickTime 6.5 included)
4.3GB of disk space required to install GarageBand, iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD; or 250MB to install iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie only
Important Notes:
DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD
iDVD requires a 733MHz PowerPC G4 or faster.
Burning DVDs using iDVD requires an Apple SuperDrive.
Burning iPhoto archives to CD or DVD requires Mac OS X v10.2.8 or later.


I think that this must allow users of computers with out the dvd-rom to install certian software packages, iDVD, and GarageBand are the only programs which require a DVD drive. For those of you that have iLife, did they ship a DVD disk and CDROM too?