Jaguar full version $129, up-to-date program $19.95

[gopher]

According to Macobserver.com's Macworld coverage. None of the other live coverages remark on the up-to-date program promotion. So at least for some it will be $19.95. Who will get it, is the big question that remains unanswered. So keep the coupons that came in your Mac OS X box or new Mac. They may be worth the tune of $110.

[gopher]

Up-to-date program details:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
"Your Macintosh is a state-of-the-art computer, engineered for power, speed and ease of use. It is ready for Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” which significantly enhances the modern foundation of Mac OS X and builds upon it with innovative new features including iChat, an AOL compatible instant messaging application, an expanded, more powerful Mail application featuring advanced junk mail filtering, and Sherlock 3, the evolution of web searching that will change the way you use the Internet.

Apple would like to give you the opportunity to upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar.” Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after July 17, 2002, that does not have Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” included can upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” for US$19.95.* See “Terms and Conditions” for program details.

The program ends on October 31, 2002. Your order must be postmarked or faxed by October 31, 2002, so order your upgrade now...* Covers product plus shipping and handling fee. U.S. customers add appropriate state sales tax. "

[Geert]

So,what about the others who already have X.1.5?
I have to pay the full 129$ to upgrade from X.1.5 or what?

[drastik]

looks like it, but this is a huge upgrade, full of software and said to make a G3 run like a G4, I think its worth it, I think everybody is overreacting about all this pay stuff. Its a company, not a charity. If you love apple so much, and you want them to just give you stuff, buy some stock and make Apple worth more money, then they won't be so ight fisted with the Freebies.

[keithcobbett]

It may be worth it, but I will be upset to say the least if I have to spend $129 for the "upgrade" on the iMac I purchased in March. I was expecting a $19.95 upgrade cost for everyone, just like for 10.1. What's the deal????

[Taft]

Originally posted by drastik
looks like it, but this is a huge upgrade, full of software and said to make a G3 run like a G4, I think its worth it, I think everybody is overreacting about all this pay stuff. Its a company, not a charity. If you love apple so much, and you want them to just give you stuff, buy some stock and make Apple worth more money, then they won't be so ight fisted with the Freebies.

While I agree, I also don't like the fact that they offered a "free" e-mail for so long and then decided to make it a manditory pay service. $100 all at once is quite a bit of money for e-mail (which is all that a lot of people really want). No option for monthly payments, either.

I think this was a VERY bad move.

I can handle paying for an OS upgrade. This seems reasonable to me.

Taft

[iH8Quark]

Originally posted by Taft


While I agree, I also don't like the fact that they offered a "free" e-mail for so long and then decided to make it a manditory pay service. $100 all at once is quite a bit of money for e-mail (which is all that a lot of people really want). No option for monthly payments, either.

I think this was a VERY bad move.

I can handle paying for an OS upgrade. This seems reasonable to me.

Taft

I think your mac.com email is still free. You just only get 5MB instead of 15MB with a pay account. It's called a "trial account", but it's still free, as far as I can tell.

[awrc]

Originally posted by Taft

$100 all at once is quite a bit of money for e-mail (which is all that a lot of people really want). No option for monthly payments, either.

I think this was a VERY bad move.

Agreed - I'm wondering if positioning the death of iTools 75 days out rather than just 5 weeks away is to give them room for a little backtracking, or to introduce ".Mac Lite" if they're not getting the signup numbers they want.

[dongmin]

Remeber, it's $49 for the next 75 days.

It's not bad considering you get 100MB storage, Virex 7.1, 15MB email account, AND iSync between multiple Macs. For a little over $4 a month.

And also, it makes good business sense for Apple, even if we're the once having to pay.

[Bradcoe]

I hope you're right. When I have the $50 (discount rate), I'll pay it, assuming this Trial I've got proves that the new .mac is worth the annual fee. But if apple refuses to give me free email, I might not subscribe just to spite apple. I think they need a .mac for free where you get an email account free w/every mac bought, and a .mac for $100 a year with all the other stuff.

[Taft]

Originally posted by iH8Quark


I think your mac.com email is still free. You just only get 5MB instead of 15MB with a pay account. It's called a "trial account", but it's still free, as far as I can tell.

Someone else mentioned this, but I didn't see it on their website. Got a link??

The faq says that if you don't upgrade your files are wiped.

Taft

[erova]

Originally posted by Taft

No option for monthly payments, either.


HUH? finance a hundred bucks? that sure doesn't seem like the way to go. it's not like macs go for 500 dollars and the company is asking you to shell out a fifth of the cost of the system just for OS upgrade. I'll gladly pay the $130 and put it on my three g4's.

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Dammit! Sonouvabizatch! I can somewhat agree with the $129 for the upgrade but having to pay for email? You gotta be insane. I don't care about the iTools crap, I just want free email. I finally finished telling everyone my new email and now they have to do this. It's so bogus! If you buy a computer from them, the least they could do is give you a free mac.com email with just 5megs of storage, at least

[sphereboy]

i don't agree with the up-to-date program. It should at least go back one month. It's not fair for "/switchers" like myself that bought a mac 2 weeks ago... to now have to spend 130 bux on a new update.

[A. Rastetter]

I think the upgrade cost is fine but I can't put up with paying for the email. Is there any chance they might decide to make it alone free?

[twistedsun]

did anyone notice the little note under the buy me button that said (single user)? you dont think that they will pull any strict per computer install type things like microsoft xp do you?

-john

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Originally posted by twistedsun
did anyone notice the little note under the buy me button that said (single user)? you dont think that they will pull any strict per computer install type things like microsoft xp do you?

-john

I hope not... But there is some good news for all you educational users. You can get Jaguar for $69. If your not...go find a friend in college...

[Yuk-Monkey]

Well, it was an unexpected benefit but I'll take it. I was holding out to see if they brought the 17" iMac screen to the the whole range of iMacs, but as I suspected, only the top-end unit got the bigger screen. Ended up going with the 700 15" combo iMac for my wife's birthday. Now I find out that I can get 10.2 for $100 off! BONUS!!

[Choppaface]

this thing better be worth 129. the only reason that they made 10.1 cheap was because it was necessary for productivity. look at the apps out there. office x is for 10.1 or later. photoshop was for 10.1 or later. 10.1 was a coverup. now even those who already forked out over $100 for 10.0.0 (like me) have to pay for one of the more 'final' versions after already paying for the work in progress.

anybody know what the student discount will be on it?

[foofan]

I think Apple realizes that they need to make as much money from 10.2 from customers who will buy it, because they know we live in an age of people downloading software for free. Apple knows that tons of people had quicktime 6 before the beta version because of all the file sharing programs.

Music artists now charge more for concert tix to offset the loss of cd revenue. Apple will charge more for jaguar to offset the loss from people illegally downloading and sharing it.

what do you think?

[G4scott]

hey guys, Apple spent 9 million dollars in r&d for Jaguar, and in an economy like this, they can't afford to let that money go to waste. I'll spend the $129 when it comes out not only to upgrade my computer, but to support Apple, the company I love. Sure, you can say that you like Macs, and that you're for them all the way, but when you refuse to hand over cash for something worthwile, you're hurting the company...

[mozez]

yes and no.

quicktime is free, so downloading that doesn't really offset anything for apple, downloading the pro version, which should be free, does, but apple is wrong for charging for it anyway. as for jaguar, i have a powerbook g3 400 pismo, and it runs like a new machine, i'm using 6c87, and it really does make so much a difference. but i have a problem, i see how this runs as the way it should have ran when osx first came out, so i don't see this being a "upgrade" but really, a late revision. i don't consider them "new" features, but features that should have already been there but were left out. we are going from 10.1.5, to 10.2, not to osx2 or something. i know that's how they want to make it seem, like you are buying a new os. but really, osx when it first came out was crap, ran like crap, didn't do much of what it promised, now with jaguar, it's ready, sort of like anything before it was a beta and this is the final. but why pay again for it, i sort of feel owed this after paying for not only 10, but 10.1 as well. dvd didn't work, nothing was optimized, no programs were out, now that everything works, and there are programs, they want me to pay for something to run correctly, stop me if i'm wrong but that seems a bit wrong to me.

[mozez]

g4 scott: "but when you refuse to hand over cash for something worthwile, you're hurting the company.."

i already did hand over cash, twice, and what i got was not worthwile, so why am i paying again, i supported apple, i paid, i went out, i upgraded i went with the new thing, i had no problem with this. i refuse to pay for the "fix" as i see it, it's not an upgrade, it fixes what was wrong with the os, sorry, but paying for a service pack is not right, and apple knows it, that's why they tried upgrading as many apps with it as possible, which nobody really cares about. if they charged for a seperate apps cd, that'd be fine, i'd be more willing to pay for new apps, then pay for a "fixed" os, that should have been fixed months ago, and should be free because i paid for osx, doesn't matter what version number you put after it, it's still x, and i already paid for it.

[MacUser1]

it's great to have a mother that works in the school system!!!:D Since this would really be the first time I would pay for an OS update, I would be willing to pay $129 for it

[Grokgod]

You kidding , right?>!

I paid over $4000 for my Ti.

If thats not forking over the BUCKS for a company that I love then what the
HELL is!>?

Other laptops that are top of the line, do NOT cost this price.

So I HAVE paid my money to APPLE and I got a half done operating system.

I know that R&D cost money, thats why this damn Ti cost SO much, i am sure.

Thats why APPLE computers are the most expensive computers.
Thats why APPLE has billions in the bank of all our hard earned cash.

We all supported APPLE when they were going DOWN!

Its great to see kindness treated like weakness and used by yet another sly talker.

[mmmdreg]

I'm just going to wait till my next computer which should be very soon...

[Raiden]

Well I think Jag will be worth it. With all the new stuff coming out on it, its almost worth the money. And it may be about 40 or so bucks more than an ugrade to winblows, at least we know the operating system will work, there will be no stupid "service packs", and no driver problems.

Also, all the new programs look kick ass, and some of the new technologies too. (cant wait to see what some companies do with rondevu) (cant spell it:))

[dobbin]

Originally posted by Raiden
at least we know the operating system will work, there will be no stupid "service packs", and no driver problems.


well actually, I've been using X since 10.0.x and I still don't have a driver for my scanner. Or my MMC card reader. And it took several months to get a driver for my printer.

Windows drivers may be buggy at times, but at least they exist.

[synergy]

Hmmm, I just saw employees of government can get 10.2 for 64.50.
Might get it sooner rather than later after all. :-)

Shows you as well how much they mark it up.

As for this change I think this proves that Apple is trying to make more money from Software as opposed to getting stuck on hardware sales mainly. With the economy being slow I do believe you can convince more people to buy a 130 dollar OS upgrade than the more pricey computers. 100 dollars for .Mac and the OS 10.2.
They are diversifying and shoring up their revenue stream which probably is taking a hit due to slower hardware sales. I do think I will buy the stock because of that. Used to own some then got out a while back.

I do think though that Apple should give one year free of .mac to people who buy a new computer. What better way to hook those people into the service than one free year.

[gelbin]

if you agree, sign the petition:

www.petitiononline.com/jaguar/petition

or petition.html

i think the people who bought macs in the last 3 months or so (at least!!!) should have an upgrade path.

[LimeiBook86]

I know it's expensive but I went to the Expo and watched and video and taped the 20 minute long Jaguar 10.2 presentation... it looks like it's worth more that $129! With all the new features no wonder it costs $129! But if we can get a discount with the OS X 10.1 coupons then that would be cool! 10,2 has a kick ass address book, itunes 3 (downloadable now for free), iChat, iSync, iCal and much more. I'll go to the Apple Store when Jaguar comes out, I'll show them my 10.1 coupons and see if I can get a discount, if I can... I'LL TELL YOU! Bye :rolleyes:

[G4scott]

Originally posted by mozez
yes and no.

quicktime is free, so downloading that doesn't really offset anything for apple, downloading the pro version, which should be free, does, but apple is wrong for charging for it anyway. as for jaguar, i have a powerbook g3 400 pismo, and it runs like a new machine, i'm using 6c87, and it really does make so much a difference. but i have a problem, i see how this runs as the way it should have ran when osx first came out, so i don't see this being a "upgrade" but really, a late revision. i don't consider them "new" features, but features that should have already been there but were left out. we are going from 10.1.5, to 10.2, not to osx2 or something. i know that's how they want to make it seem, like you are buying a new os. but really, osx when it first came out was crap, ran like crap, didn't do much of what it promised, now with jaguar, it's ready, sort of like anything before it was a beta and this is the final. but why pay again for it, i sort of feel owed this after paying for not only 10, but 10.1 as well. dvd didn't work, nothing was optimized, no programs were out, now that everything works, and there are programs, they want me to pay for something to run correctly, stop me if i'm wrong but that seems a bit wrong to me.

Ok, first, about Quicktime... Apple has to actually PAY for the licensing to put in the ability to encode in certain formats (mpeg4). That's why the pro version isn't free. The free player that Apple gives you is fine. It plays the movies, and that's about it. The pro version has more features, and makes QuickTime more than just a movie 'player'. So, what is so wrong about charging for something that Apple had to pay for? What do you want next? FCP for free, because that's what you think QuickTime should be? I think not... Besides, it's only $30.

Now, for your rant about 10.2 being a bug fix...
Did you want Apple to wait until August 2002 to release their FIRST version of OS X? If they did, you wouldn't have but a handfull of apps for os X. Apple has been working on OS X, refining it, and making it better. If you want such a good OS, make one yourself. Did you really think that SMB browsing, iCal, iChat, rendezvous, quartz extreme, inkwell, and every other new feature was supposed to be in 10.0? You must be pretty stupid to think that. Sure, we all could've used spring loaded folders from the start, but with a new OS, Apple was working on making the thing work right. 10.0 was ok, and 10.1 was great for me. It takes time to develop an OS. You can't create the best OS in the world in 7 days.

Just pay $129 and be glad you have an OS better than everything else. and stop bitching about how 10.2 is what the Mac OS should've been... Is a BMW what the Model-T should've been

[Spock]

Hey a new Switch Ad "Well I paid $1799.00 for my new iMac and I have to pay to upgrade my OS from beta to 10.2 Wow I never would of done that with Microsoft" " I am Spock and I'm a Vulcan"

[gopher]

Originally posted by Spock
Hey a new Switch Ad "Well I paid $1799.00 for my new iMac and I have to pay to upgrade my OS from beta to 10.2 Wow I never would of done that with Microsoft" " I am Spock and I'm a Vulcan"

Microsoft is perpetual beta...

eXPerience the frustration of deactivation.

[sturm375]

Apple is a hardware company, they make their money (the vast majority of it) through the sales of computers, not software. I purchased a TiPB in Oct. 2001 w/ OS 10.1. I waited for 10.1 to come out. Now, less than a year has passed and I have to pay $130 for a damn update. At best this 10.2 is a Service Pack to steal from the MS language. This is a total and complete rip off.

Let's compaire this to M$:

-Someone said they spent $9 million on R&D for Jag. How much do you supose M$ spent total to product XP? I'll bet a lot more, probibly closser to $1 billion. And yet you can get the Upgrade for $100, and the full for $200

-This is 10.2 so a lot went into it. How much do you suppose went into the development of Win98SE? I paid approx. $20 (mostly for shipping) from M$ for a disc. That was a major re-write of Win98, added lots of new stuff, comatibility for new hardware, speed up the system, made more stable, etc. How did they practically give it away?

To put it mildly, I am severly disappointed in this priceing. I will probably still buy it, as I tend to like to be on the bleeding edge of updates, but I DON'T LIKE IT:mad:

[Gelfin]

Yes, damn those oily bastards with their unreasonable expectations that you should pay for goods and services they produce! Shame on them for trying to get you to give them money for something you really want. That is SO unfair.

Maybe nobody told you kids who are too young to remember when everything wasn't free, but the ride is over. Everybody's scaling back on the fluffy free services if they haven't eliminated them already. I never thought offering iTools for free was a great strategy to start with. Surely some of you are savvy enough to realize just how much an email/storage/webhosting service on the scale of iTools costs. I'd rather Apple not boil away their liquid assets on such things.

And with regard to the Jaguar upgrade, the justification for Apple's VERY liberal upgrade policy has always been that they are a hardware company first and foremost. That argument doesn't make quite as much sense anymore, since Apple has devoted more of their resources into software over the last few years than probably at any time in their history. From a business perspective that has GOT to show a tangible return. I've already gotten one major OS X upgrade from them for free, and they're STILL giving me some really excellent applications (iApps) for free. I don't mind paying them for a major upgrade on the scale of Jaguar.

If you want something good, one way or another you've got to pay for it. I'd much rather someone give me something that's worth my money, and ask for the money fairly, than tell me it's "free" and then sell me to advertisers or some other underhanded way of making money off me. It's a quid pro quo world.

[kettle]

Originally posted by mozez
g4 scott: "but when you refuse to hand over cash for something worthwile, you're hurting the company.."

i already did hand over cash, twice, and what i got was not worthwile, so why am i paying again, i supported apple, i paid, i went out, i upgraded i went with the new thing, i had no problem with this. i refuse to pay for the "fix" as i see it, it's not an upgrade, it fixes what was wrong with the os, sorry, but paying for a service pack is not right, and apple knows it, that's why they tried upgrading as many apps with it as possible, which nobody really cares about. if they charged for a seperate apps cd, that'd be fine, i'd be more willing to pay for new apps, then pay for a "fixed" os, that should have been fixed months ago, and should be free because i paid for osx, doesn't matter what version number you put after it, it's still x, and i already paid for it.

This is what I wanted to say but will to any sycophant that flames me for expecting quality the best we could come up with at the moment.

I LOVE APPLE COMPUTERS

How about an new app free upgrade cd at the cost of disks and shipping?

[herbsbuck]

I'm a bit worried about loading 10.2 on my iBook 500 mghz because of the low amount of video memory--only 8 versus 16mb. Does anyone else have concerns about this?

[gopher]

Originally posted by herbsbuck
I'm a bit worried about loading 10.2 on my iBook 500 mghz because of the low amount of video memory--only 8 versus 16mb. Does anyone else have concerns about this?

Apple still quotes your iBook in the minimum system requirements. So as long as your physical memory is at least 160 MB you should be fine. Just no Quartz Extreme. Quartz Extreme is nice if you want to zoom in on video and have a non-distorted magnified view of things, but you could do that with at least in a somewhat pixelated fashion with Easy Access too.

Whatever you do, backup your data to CD-R or hard disk first before installing 10.2 in case something goes wrong.

[MacUser1]

I was just at the Tice's Corner Apple Store today and asked them about the cost of Jaguar. They told me if I had a OS 10.1 Up-to-Date Coupon they would sell Jaguar for $19.95. I told them that I didn't buy my computer on July 17th, but they still said that I would only pay $19.95.
I don't think I believe them, but, who knows.

[Multimedia]

When I bought my refurbished G4 Cube last June I was able to use one of three OS 9.0 Proof-of-Purchase Coupons and a new computer purchase for OS X form to receive a copy of OS X 10.0.3 FREE. With it came a set of three "Mac OS X" Software Coupons. On this sheet above the three coupons are the words

"To get Mac OS updates Ñ and other special offers from Apple Computer Ñ you'll need the coupons below as proof that you've purchased the Mac OS software.* Be sure to keep the original coupons: you can't use a copy of the coupons as proof of purchase.

*See individual offers for terms and conditions"

These coupons do not say 10.0 or 10.1. They simply say "Mac OS X". Are these coupons worthless to go from 10.1.5 to 10.2? I don't get it. This is not like going from Windows 98SE to ME or XP. This is an incremental upgrade to optimum level. I believe all who bought 10.0 or 10.1 should be allowed to get 10.2 for $19.95. I think I'll buy a new Dual 1.5 GHz DDR Mac for $3,000 before I pay $129 for 10.2. I don't see 10.2 as a new operating system ÑÊonly as a faster sleeker 10.1.5 with added functionality Ñ most of which I will not use and don't care about. I mainly only care about the speed and stability.

Anybody know if these OS X Proof-of-Purchase Coupons will get us 10.2 for $19.95 at the Apple Store?:confused:

[MacSawdust]

10.2 is $69 in the Apple store for Education.
Proof of student ID not required.

[sturm375]

Originally posted by gopher


Apple still quotes your iBook in the minimum system requirements. So as long as your physical memory is at least 160 MB you should be fine. Just no Quartz Extreme. Quartz Extreme is nice if you want to zoom in on video and have a non-distorted magnified view of things, but you could do that with at least in a somewhat pixelated fashion with Easy Access too.

Whatever you do, backup your data to CD-R or hard disk first before installing 10.2 in case something goes wrong.

So you are telling me that my TiPB 500 MHz (also 8 MB Video) will not fully run this new 10.2? I purchased this computer back in Oct 2001. It's not even a year old, I got the top of the line at the time, and already Apple has an OS that I can't run?

Is there any wonder there are people a little put off at this?

I purchase my TiPB because I thought Apple was a good company to invest in for a machine what would be fairly up to date for years to come. I guess I was wrong.:(

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by Multimedia
This is not like going from Windows 98SE to ME or XP. This is an incremental upgrade to optimum level.

You guys are getting REALLY confused by version numbers. Lemme tell you, version numbers are meaningless. These days they are decided by marketing people, not by engineers.

You know why version numbers for OS X are going up slowly? Because they don't know what to do past 10.x. Does the product have to then become OS XI 11.0? Or do they finally cave in to the people who can't seem to understand that it's a roman ten, not a letter X, and call it OS X 11.0?

And referencing the upgrade from 98SE to ME is a really bad choice of comparisons. There were VERY few real differences between 98SE and ME, mostly cosmetic. Microsoft had intended to merge everyone onto the NT platform by the millennium, but Win2K was delayed and not ready for home use when it did ship. So they had to release something for home users. And still you paid them for the upgrade. Why? Well, of course all the bug fixing effort going forward is going to be focused on the newer version, and you pray that someday they'll fix the bug that keeps your computer from waking from suspend (for example). XP was a pretty major update by any standard, and you paid for the update accordingly. Incidentally, if you paid a hundred bucks to upgrade to the "home" edition of XP, you got shafted. Home edition is like a crippleware version.

Also keep in mind that Microsoft is marketing on a whole different scale from Apple. They're selling copies of Windows by the truckload to system manufacturers and corporate IT departments. The company has enough liquid assets that they could literally go swimming in the Scrooge McDuck giant swimming pool of gold coins. And they still charge you for upgrades. Apple's marketshare is growing, bit by bit, but who do they have to sell those boxed copies of OS X to? Yeah, that's right, people who have already bought Macs. If they don't get revenue from Mac owners, then who are they going to get revenue from? Developing the best operating system in the world is just the Right Thing to Do. It's great that Apple is stepping up to the plate to do that, but they need to get compensated for it or there's just no point for them.

And those of you who argue that you've already paid for it once... well, gosh, welcome to the real world, computer software edition. I paid a fairly large sum for Windows 3.0 once upon a time and never got a single free upgrade for it. Same with Windows 95. Both of those, in hindsight, were just barely functional. The argument that "they're just giving us what the product should have been to start with" can be used as an excuse for cheap bastards to whine about paying for upgrades indefinitely.

You guys KNOW Jaguar is a major update. We've been babbling about the majorness of the Jaguar update since before 10.1 came out. And now you're upset they're not giving it away? Jeez, how spoiled are you?

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by sturm375


So you are telling me that my TiPB 500 MHz (also 8 MB Video) will not fully run this new 10.2? I purchased this computer back in Oct 2001. It's not even a year old, I got the top of the line at the time, and already Apple has an OS that I can't run?

Is there any wonder there are people a little put off at this?

I purchase my TiPB because I thought Apple was a good company to invest in for a machine what would be fairly up to date for years to come. I guess I was wrong.:(
You are exaggerating the situation immensely. You can still run the frigging operating system, why are you whining "I can't run the OS without Quartz Extreme!" OS X runs fabulously on an IBOOK 500 Mhz, and you have a TiBook 500, and with Jaguar, trust me, it'll be "snappy". Quartz Extreme is not necessary for every day use of the OS, and even without it there is still a huge increase in performance in the OS.

[sturm375]

Originally posted by bobindashadows

You are exaggerating the situation immensely. You can still run the frigging operating system, why are you whining "I can't run the OS without Quartz Extreme!" OS X runs fabulously on an IBOOK 500 Mhz, and you have a TiBook 500, and with Jaguar, trust me, it'll be "snappy". Quartz Extreme is not necessary for every day use of the OS, and even without it there is still a huge increase in performance in the OS.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I believe QE was one of the bigger selling points of 10.2? If it plays such a minimal role in the OS, why was Apple touting it so much? If it does play an important role in the OS, I belive I have a reason to complain.

I am happy to see that you are in the shadows Bob, makes it much easier to attack somebody who is just asking a valid question.;)

[beatle888]

Originally posted by sturm375


I purchase my TiPB because I thought Apple was a good company to invest in for a machine what would be fairly up to date for years to come. I guess I was wrong.:(

Just go to the apple website and choose the Mac OSX tab.
then choose Quartz extreme....theres a nice graph that shows
the performance to expect.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by foofan
I think Apple realizes that they need to make as much money from 10.2 from customers who will buy it, because they know we live in an age of people downloading software for free. Apple knows that tons of people had quicktime 6 before the beta version because of all the file sharing programs.

Music artists now charge more for concert tix to offset the loss of cd revenue. Apple will charge more for jaguar to offset the loss from people illegally downloading and sharing it.

what do you think?

i think that by charging so much even for upgrading folks, they will make it MORE likely that people will just download it.... or at least, buy one copy and share with friends/family..

had it been even like 80 bucks, that would probably be less likely. at least in my opinion.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Spock
Hey a new Switch Ad "Well I paid $1799.00 for my new iMac and I have to pay to upgrade my OS from beta to 10.2 Wow I never would of done that with Microsoft" " I am Spock and I'm a Vulcan"

hahaha. to imply that MS wouldn't squeeze every cent out of you for every single os upgrade and for much more money than apple is just funny... ahhh

[sturm375]

Originally posted by beatle888


Just go to the apple website and choose the Mac OSX tab.
then choose Quartz extreme....theres a nice graph that shows
the performance to expect.

That's a pretty graph, too bad my machine can't take advantage of QE.

Quote from the website mentioned above.

* Requirements:
Quartz Extreme functionality is supported by the following video GPUs: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti or any AGP-based ATI RADEON GPU. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required.

[mozez]

posted by alpha"

"Ok, first, about Quicktime... Apple has to actually PAY for the licensing to put in the ability to encode in certain formats (mpeg4). That's why the pro version isn't free. The free player that Apple gives you is fine. It plays the movies, and that's about it. The pro version has more features, and makes QuickTime more than just a movie 'player'. So, what is so wrong about charging for something that Apple had to pay for? What do you want next? FCP for free, because that's what you think QuickTime should be? I think not... Besides, it's only $30.

Now, for your rant about 10.2 being a bug fix...
Did you want Apple to wait until August 2002 to release their FIRST version of OS X? If they did, you wouldn't have but a handfull of apps for os X. Apple has been working on OS X, refining it, and making it better. If you want such a good OS, make one yourself. Did you really think that SMB browsing, iCal, iChat, rendezvous, quartz extreme, inkwell, and every other new feature was supposed to be in 10.0? You must be pretty stupid to think that. Sure, we all could've used spring loaded folders from the start, but with a new OS, Apple was working on making the thing work right. 10.0 was ok, and 10.1 was great for me. It takes time to develop an OS. You can't create the best OS in the world in 7 days.

Just pay $129 and be glad you have an OS better than everything else. and stop bitching about how 10.2 is what the Mac OS should've been... Is a BMW what the Model-T should've been"

inkwell, well, since alot of graphic artists use tablets, i'd sya that should have beent here from the start. smb, well, that wasd there from the start, it just sucked, thus showing how jaguar is an update, no upgrade.

"What do you want next? FCP for free, because that's what you think QuickTime should be? I think not... Besides, it's only $30. "

and when was final cut pro $30? oh you mean quictime, for such amazing high end features as, play movie full screen. you want me to pay 30 dollars to play my movie full screen, are you joking? i know it has other features, but that one should be free. and final cut pro, if you look at my post i said i'd have no problem paying for apps cds, just not a update to the os!!! so don't yell about something i agree with.

"Is a BMW what the Model-T should've been"

no, but would you release a car to the public that had no steering wheel, or wheel that were half flat, or couldn't go above 60 in speed? but you promised and showed off that it could do all these things and had such features, then next year, after struggling with fixes and updates, have the car salesman come to you and say "ya know, i have a fix for that, it'll only cost you the same price you paid for that car, and look at everything it has too." at first you're excited at how you'll finally have that car in working order, and you can go on the qew, if you know what road that is in canada... at 90mph now, and you can drive for days without your tires going flat or your transmission dieing. but then you think about it, and you say, hey wait a minute, didn't you say my car would do all these things before, and they never did, don't i have like a warranty that fixes these problems, so i don't have to buy a new car? that's exactly how this is, apple released a beta os, with tons of problems, it gave them enough time to fix them all, and maybe i was a sucker, being one of only 20% of mac users using osx from the start, i got took by apple the used car salesman, kept telling me this new shiny car would last me years in driving, and then the new model comes out and i'm back at square one, hearing the smae thing, and maybe this time it's true, maybe the car/os works great, but all in all, i'm paying the same prioce twice,a nd either way, i feel pretty ripped off. apple the car salesman...




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[sphereboy]

Originally posted by MacSawdust
10.2 is $69 in the Apple store for Education.
Proof of student ID not required.

No proof needed?? Are you certain? :confused:

[barren]

Just saw this on a deal forum. From July 29 Amazon is going to offer a long list of rebates on certain software, lo and behold what's listed with a $50 rebate... Mac OS X.2.

Here is the link.

<http://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/bounce.php?http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006ANW9.01.RB02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg>