system requirements for OS X 10.4 [Archive]

veedubdrew

Jul 16, 2004, 06:46 PM

You need a Mac with a G3, G4, or G5 processor, 128MB RAM, a DVD drive, and built-in FireWire. Sounds like your iBook will work just fine. Could you let us know how the performance is on your machine? On my PB17 it's about the same as Panther.

BTW, I wouldn't recommend installing Tiger as your primary OS. It's extremely buggy and I wouldn't trust it with any data I cared about. I have it on an external FW HDD just to tinker with.

-Drew

tdhurst

Jul 16, 2004, 06:47 PM

If you don't know the answer to that question, you shouldn't be installing your pirated developers' version of Tiger.

cb911

Jul 16, 2004, 07:18 PM

someone said that Tiger could wipe or corrupt all the data off your HD? it wouldn't do that, right? especially if you installed onto an external FireWire HD, your main HDs data would be safe, right?

stoid

Jul 16, 2004, 07:24 PM

I don't know, apparently one bug of the FINAL release of Panther didn't communicate properly with a certain kind of FireWire bridge and erased external HDs. I wouldn't limit the damage to the installed drive.

musicpyrite

Jul 16, 2004, 07:46 PM

Tiger runs just as fast as a fresh install of Panther, on an iMac 256 RAM, 1 GHz, on an external FireWire 400 10 GB with 512K cache.

Ninja_Turtle

Jul 16, 2004, 08:19 PM

If you don't know the answer to that question, you shouldn't be installing your pirated developers' version of Tiger.

its not pirated, well anyways....theres a bug that deletes all your files? whoa!!! sounds like i dont wanna install it no more, oh yeah, can i boot os 9 if i were to install TIGER, and also can i "downgrade" to os x 10.3 ?if i dont like it?

tdhurst

Jul 16, 2004, 09:16 PM

Okay, so it's not pirated. I still think it's stupid to install a developer's copy of an OS. You obviously don't know a ton about it...by the way, where did you get it?

Ninja_Turtle

Jul 16, 2004, 09:25 PM

Okay, so it's not pirated. I still think it's stupid to install a developer's copy of an OS. You obviously don't know a ton about it...by the way, where did you get it?

one of my friends is a developer and i asked him for it just to give it a try...he paid for it, and went to the conference...its not like hes selling it to me or im selling it to someone else, or putting it up on the internet

Littleodie914

Jul 16, 2004, 09:28 PM

Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I know you guys are all very knowledgeable concerning everything Mac. :) I'm a bit of a developer, just some java and web applets here and there, and I'm wondering how I could obtain a beta version of Tiger. I'm new to downloading any beta versions of Apple software, and am unsure how to do so. Do I have to pay for it? How big of a download is it? Any help is appreciated, but not necessary, as it's not a huge deal. ;)

Ninja_Turtle

Jul 17, 2004, 02:28 AM

cb911

Jul 17, 2004, 02:54 AM

Littleodie914, i think you've got to become a ADC member. but that's no problem if you're already a developer, right?

and you can't DL it, i'm pretty sure Apple isn't offering it for DL. and you're not asking for an 'illegal' DL site are you? :eek:

also, i think the Tiger Beta that's out now is a WWDC preview. so that means it was only available to WWDC attendees, right? i think you might have missed the boat... looks like you'll have to join ADC and wait for the first developer seed.

Nermal

Jul 17, 2004, 06:07 AM

dude i suggest you delete this immideatly...you might get banned...dont pirate things...

He's not trying to pirate it, he's just asking where to get it. I thought it was quite obvious that he wasn't attempting to pirate it when he asked if you have to pay anything.

Anyway, yes, you do have to pay. You need to join ADC (http://developer.apple.com/), which I think costs $500 per year. I have no idea whether you can download the current build of Tiger yet, but future versions are bound to be added to the site.

In case you're a student, you may be tempted to go for the $100 student membership. Unfortunately, it doesn't entitle you to pre-release software. You should get the final version though (I got the final version of Panther, but unfortunately my subscription will run out before the release of Tiger).

Littleodie914

Jul 17, 2004, 08:55 AM

He's not trying to pirate it, he's just asking where to get it. I thought it was quite obvious that he wasn't attempting to pirate it when he asked if you have to pay anything.

Anyway, yes, you do have to pay. You need to join ADC (http://developer.apple.com/), which I think costs $500 per year. I have no idea whether you can download the current build of Tiger yet, but future versions are bound to be added to the site.

In case you're a student, you may be tempted to go for the $100 student membership. Unfortunately, it doesn't entitle you to pre-release software. You should get the final version though (I got the final version of Panther, but unfortunately my subscription will run out before the release of Tiger). Thanks, that answered my question completely. I'm only 16, and was looking to see how differently my wee java apps would work under Tiger. Guess I'll be waiting until "early 2005" to test them, as I definitely don't have $500 a year! :D And ninja_turtle, I was certainly NOT trying to pirate Tiger. I'm well aware of what software pirating does to companies, and I also know that it's a very bad (for lack of a more fitting word) thing to do. But thanks again Nermal. :)

Duff-Man

Jul 17, 2004, 06:09 PM

one of my friends is a developer and i asked him for it just to give it a try...he paid for it, and went to the conference...its not like hes selling it to me or im selling it to someone else, or putting it up on the internet
dude i suggest you delete this immideatly...you might get banned...dont pirate things... Duff-Man says...does anybody else see something wrong (besides the spelling) between these two posts?....oh yeah!

MacsRgr8

Jul 18, 2004, 03:16 PM

Duff-Man says...does anybody else see something wrong (besides the spelling) between these two posts?....oh yeah!

I spot Ninja_Turtle has learned quickly between the two posts. :p

jimjiminyjim

Jul 18, 2004, 05:37 PM

Could someone point me in the right direction for the developers version of a Dual 2.5Ghz G5? I'd just like to give it a try.

Thanks.

sockeatingdryer

Jul 23, 2004, 10:02 PM

Okay, so it's not pirated. I still think it's stupid to install a developer's copy of an OS. You obviously don't know a ton about it...by the way, where did you get it?

My, you're rather all up in his arse, aren't you? Does it really matter to you that much?

I tell you what, why don't you manage you... are we in elementary school again? "Waaa Mommy, mommy! I'm telling on you!" :rolleyes:

Mord

Jul 27, 2004, 08:06 AM

hey, anyone out there with the system requirements for the beta version? i have it but i dont want to install it cuz im on a 600mhz G3 iBook with 384megs RAM...anyone got any suggestions?

do you have the 16MB vram one or the 8MB vram one? i have the 16 and tiger is very very slightly slower than panther but it works great havent had a crash and i've used it for 3 week

Mord

Jul 27, 2004, 08:11 AM

someone said that Tiger could wipe or corrupt all the data off your HD? it wouldn't do that, right? especially if you installed onto an external FireWire HD, your main HDs data would be safe, right?

thats like a warning saying apple is not responsible if that happens, like a diclaimer, it wont do anything like that (disclaimer: dont blame me if it dose install os 10.4 at your own risk) it's just apple telling people not to sue them if 10.4 screws up there mac

eupraxist

Aug 27, 2004, 04:53 PM

You need a Mac with a G3, G4, or G5 processor, 128MB RAM, a DVD drive, and built-in FireWire.-Drew

So, tell me if I got this right: Tiger will be supported on my Mac only if it had FireWire built in from the start? (i.e. PCI FireWire added in is not enough)? So the original iMac is out of luck? Or is FireWire only required for certain cool functions, like for iMovie? iMovie runs okay on my original iMac, so long as I can get the files on my computer via CDRom or something instead of FireWire.

For that matter, could I install Tiger onto an original iMac via networked DVD drive?

Thanks!

tdhurst

Aug 27, 2004, 06:06 PM

It's probably not that you need the actual functuality of firewire for tiger, but rather the capabilities of the computer that was released with firewire. earlier computers may not have enough processor speed, vram, etc...

spaceballl

Sep 3, 2004, 10:50 PM

If you don't know the answer to that question, you shouldn't be installing your pirated developers' version of Tiger.
Thanks, mommy. Do you do babysitting too?

tdhurst

Sep 3, 2004, 11:30 PM

Thanks, mommy. Do you do babysitting too?

I hope you mess up and it erases your hd.

7on

Sep 5, 2004, 10:43 AM

So, tell me if I got this right: Tiger will be supported on my Mac only if it had FireWire built in from the start? (i.e. PCI FireWire added in is not enough)? So the original iMac is out of luck? Or is FireWire only required for certain cool functions, like for iMovie? iMovie runs okay on my original iMac, so long as I can get the files on my computer via CDRom or something instead of FireWire.

For that matter, could I install Tiger onto an original iMac via networked DVD drive?

Thanks!

They list "Firewire" as a requirement because common laymen would understand that their Mac has firewire. They could probably say "Processor Class XXXX" but that'd just be difficult. Apple just decided that Tiger ran too slowly for Macs released before firewire. Like when Jag (or was it Panther?) was advertised for any G3 Mac, a lot of people were mad when it wouldn't work fast enough on their old, old machines - so Apple offered a refund. Sure you can install Tiger on non-Firewire Macs just like you can install Panther on non-USB ones.

NusuniAdmin

Sep 5, 2004, 11:00 AM

Jovian9

Sep 5, 2004, 12:14 PM

In case you're a student, you may be tempted to go for the $100 student membership. Unfortunately, it doesn't entitle you to pre-release software. You should get the final version though (I got the final version of Panther, but unfortunately my subscription will run out before the release of Tiger).

My wife and I became Student Developers and we received a copy of Panther (which we already had). Will we receive a copy of Tiger when it is released commercially ( our membership lasts through the first half of 2005 which is when it will be released)? Just curious b/c I thought we'd only receive the OS that was currently available at the time we signed up. Thanks!

jimjiminyjim

Oct 1, 2004, 08:25 PM

Could someone point me in the right direction for the developers version of a Dual 2.5Ghz G5? I'd just like to give it a try.

Thanks.

apple's computer lineup it the same as it is for developers..education people. home users....etc. THere is no version of the g5 made specificly for developers.

another note: It is against apples terms of use to resell a developers copy of their OS. Read the fine print mates ;)

Thanks for answering such a ridiculous question seriously. It takes character not to flame a question like that in your response. My question was made with tongue firmly in cheek. I'd just like to get my hands on a nice speedy dual G5, and was suggesting that someone um... give me one. :)

Nermal

Oct 19, 2004, 02:48 AM

My wife and I became Student Developers and we received a copy of Panther (which we already had). Will we receive a copy of Tiger when it is released commercially ( our membership lasts through the first half of 2005 which is when it will be released)? Just curious b/c I thought we'd only receive the OS that was currently available at the time we signed up. Thanks!

I can't say for certain, but you'll probably receive Tiger. I've received two revisions of Panther so far, and I've been subscribed for less than a year. I'm actually trying to decide whether to renew my subscription - it depends on whether I can use another hardware discount next year.

MacFan26

Oct 19, 2004, 01:02 PM

So, am I right in saying that Tiger will install on an original iMac, it's just that Apple won't support it? Or what's the deal?

tdhurst

Oct 19, 2004, 05:24 PM

So, am I right in saying that Tiger will install on an original iMac, it's just that Apple won't support it? Or what's the deal?

Come on, people, Tiger is not even out yet. Of course Tiger will work on most Macs, but some might not be privy to "eye candy" that Core Image brings.
For example, my dad's 800mhz 17" iMac G4's video card does not allow the cube graphic to be displayed during the fast user switching, but does that mean Panther works terribly? Heck no, it works great.
Oh, and TIGER IS NOT EVEN OUT YET. Quit complaining about what computers it does/doesn't support because it won't do any good nor do we even know the requirements. Most of us would be pissed if Apple released some handicapped system that worked on beige G3's rather than a kick ass OS than run on earlier computers albeit with some features turned off.

MacFan26

Oct 19, 2004, 07:41 PM

TIGER IS NOT EVEN OUT YET.
I know, I was just wondering. This thread seemed to make it a little unclear, and since Apple hasn't stated much about it, I was just curious if anyone knew.

freechris

Oct 20, 2004, 10:00 AM

Is the new G4 ibook ready for Tiger (does it support stuff like core image??)

freechris

Oct 20, 2004, 10:03 AM

The performance gains and features supported by Core Image ultimately depend on the graphics card. Graphics cards capable of pixel-level programming deliver the best performance. But Core Image automatically scales as appropriate for systems with older graphics cards, for compatibility with any Tiger-compatible Mac.

Supported graphics cards:
ATI Radeon 9800 XT
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra
NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra
These cards are available in today’s PowerBooks, Power Mac G5s and both the 17-inch and 20-inch iMac.

Mord

Oct 20, 2004, 11:56 AM

if you have not assumed this already your ibook will run 10.4 core image just has some pretty effects it's the not the end of the world.

as for the scaleability it's apple BS ether you have a core image card and you get all the fancy crap or you dont and you dont get the fancy crap that is the "scaleability"

as i have said before

you need a mac with a built in firewire port and 128MB of ram, no dvd drive required no only core image gpu's.

freechris

Oct 26, 2004, 07:47 AM

i ordered the ibook with 1,2 Ghz and 512mb ram, hope i will notice some significant speed change compared to my 700mhz G4, 256 mb

Jovian9

Oct 26, 2004, 09:22 AM

I can't say for certain, but you'll probably receive Tiger. I've received two revisions of Panther so far, and I've been subscribed for less than a year. I'm actually trying to decide whether to renew my subscription - it depends on whether I can use another hardware discount next year.

Yeah, I've received a couple revisions now too. My subscription ends in the middle of June '05......so here's to hoping they release Tiger before that.

I'm not sure if I'll renew it or not.....I just got the developer discount on my new iMac G5......and my PowerBook is only 6 months old......so I doubt I'll need another discount on hardware.

mj_1903

Oct 26, 2004, 09:31 AM

Tiger scales happily off a video card to the CPU if your card does not support Core Image, but Core Image is not used that much throughout the OS, only in certain apps and only for eye candy. For instance, on a G3 machine, the splash effect on dashboard works, but it is choppy. There was more info about this on Appleinsider.

Early builds of Tiger were known to corrupt hard drives, as were early builds of Panther and 10.0.x for that matter. You are not necessarily safe if you run Tiger on an external hard drive with the main hard drive mounted.

Not to spoil your party or anything, but I would just wait until Tiger is released. We developers generally have dedicated machines for those early builds so we do not screw things up. Some apps are broken, the operating system crashes, things get corrupted and if that is your cup of tea, by all means still the OS and run it. Otherwise, just leave it up to us, we have to reformat every two weeks anyway.