Heavy Rain

[Taustin Powers]

So what does everyone think about this one? Will it be awesome...or awful? First review gave it an "awesome" - but it's from "Official Playstation Magazine", so I expected no less.

I am definitely intrigued by the game. I can't wait to see some more reviews, I'm really hoping it will be a cool experience.

Isn't there a demo coming out soon?

[MacRumorUser]

I really enjoyed Indigo Prophecy | Fahrenheit and therefore I'm looking forward to it.

Will it be a masterpiece ? Well expectations like that can only lead to disappointment.

The most interesting preview of hands on that I have read raises interesting questions. Namely that whilst the games director wishes to blur the line between 'Movie & Game' experience, the biggest problem with it is 'Focus'. There is a lack of genuine movie genre focus and therefore it seemingly flits from a Sam Mendes 'American Beauty', to a De Palma all out action flick with the sections 'jarring' and pacing literally all over the place. If it wanted to really blur the movie \ game line it should have chosen a directorial movie genre and stuck to it - and in doing so become a master of that; rather than trying to blend 8 different movies into a game experience and be a master of none.

I have it pre-ordered already and look forward to making my own mind up about it.

[2nyRiggz]

My most anticipated game of the year...I can't wait to get my hands on this. I've noticed a lot of bloggers go out of their way to call this game a QTE fest and once again the sheep that is the internet follow close behind. Why is it a game thats not about blood/gore/FPS is not worth the time of gamers:rolleyes:

I know quantic dream devs are real good at telling a story and I'm hoping they stay away from the crazy end of Indigo Prophecy.



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[rezenclowd3]

I'm looking forward to it, but I am definitely waiting on the reviews. I don't mind QTE events. I was a big fan of both Shenmues on Dreamcast. I read the last blog by someone from the studio, and he seemed overly depressed about the development of the game and story. I DO NOT buy into any hype about games coming out. TOTAL BS. It seems that the majority of hyped games are mediocre or terrible. I really only preorder games that have a low chance of going wrong. This is one I will not preorder.

[Soulstorm]

The only game I pre-ordered is Bioshock 2. I would go for Gran Turismo as well, but is seems it will be delayed again, so why bother?

As far as Heavy Rain is concerned, I have seen some videos in GameTrailers, and it really seems like an overhyped game. The faces and voices are totally unacceptable for a 2010 game.

I won't be buying this before I play it in some demo, even if it does get good reviews.

[e²Studios]

The only game I pre-ordered is Bioshock 2. I would go for Gran Turismo as well, but is seems it will be delayed again, so why bother?

As far as Heavy Rain is concerned, I have seen some videos in GameTrailers, and it really seems like an overhyped game. The faces and voices are totally unacceptable for a 2010 game.

I won't be buying this before I play it in some demo, even if it does get good reviews.

How can GT be delayed again when it never had a release date in all but 1 region? The only region that can say it was delayed is Japan, they are the only region to ever have an official release date.

On topic, this game is great, worth the price of admission imo. While it can be a bit QTE heavy the story and how it immerses you more than compensates and then some.

[macfan881]

Sixthaxsis is saying the Demo may hit early in the UK this week so i got my UK account Ready Looking forward to it.

oh and for other Demos this week PSN is suposivly geting along to Heavy Rain is Aliens VS Preadator and BF BC 2

[rezenclowd3]

On topic, this game is great, worth the price of admission imo. While it can be a bit QTE heavy the story and how it immerses you more than compensates and then some.

Are you in on something we don't know about? There is no demo yet, and the game is not out....so then how can you say the game is great?

[MacRumorUser]

Are you in on something we don't know about? There is no demo yet, and the game is not out....so then how can you say the game is great?

Ed is actually in the game..... Seriously he was one of the motion captured actors. Amazing really.






It was the stripper scene you did Ed wasn't it ?

[sikkinixx]

Ed is actually in the game..... Seriously he was one of the motion captured actors. Amazing really.






It was the stripper scene you did Ed wasn't it ?

No, he was the drunken convenience store robber, just like in real life~!

[2nyRiggz]

I thought Ed was the watered down detective looking for some Ben-gay to sooth those aching joints.

Good try with the frying pan Ed..:p (game reference...remember the scene in the convenient store?...oh forget it)



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[txa1265]

Are you in on something we don't know about? There is no demo yet, and the game is not out....so then how can you say the game is great?

Also, I know that many folks have already gotten early review copies.

[rezenclowd3]

Also, I know that many folks have already gotten early review copies.

So then I'll wait for the review, to learn about the disappointments as well. A one sentence "review" is not enough info to earn a purchase from me.

[e²Studios]

Thanks for the fun guys, I'll get you back MRU, 2NY, and the sneaky Canadian too! :p:o;) I don't have a review copy though ;)

[macfan881]

Got the Demo today through http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/02/05/want-to-play-in-the-rain-get-the-heavy-rain-demo-now/comment-page-1/#comment-72896


Simply incredibly game the Control system for the game is uniqe and fresh Graphics are Stunning Matching MGS I think. Ill be looking forward to playing this game later this month.

[spyker3292]

I'm amazed at how well the QT sequences work. Great game, loved the demo, I want more!

[Taustin Powers]

The first bunch of reviews are out, and it looks like a winner! I'll be buying this one for sure.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/heavyrain

Played the demo, too (thanks for the link!), and I rather enjoyed it. It's somewhat slow-paced, a nice change.

[MacRumorUser]

I was always going to buy it regardless of review score. :)

[rezenclowd3]

Being that it's such a short game, it'll be a rental for me, and pick it up once its below $10.

[Taustin Powers]

I wish I still had the kind of free time to blow on video games to consider an 8-hour game "short". It took me about a year to finish Bioshock! :D

That said, this is definitely a multiple-play-through game.

[rezenclowd3]

It is that comparatively the standard is 20-40hrs right? Hence why I will wait till it comes down in price.

[macfan881]

I'm really surpised IGN gave this a 9/10 cant wait to play the full game.

[2nyRiggz]

Brilliant, the demo made me want to import the Euro special edition version just for the extra goodies...just from the demo I can tell the story will be engrossing.

Controls were a little awkward at the start but it took me seconds to adjust.


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[MacRumorUser]

It is that comparatively the standard is 20-40hrs right? Hence why I will wait till it comes down in price.

No average game length of an action/adventure title is 8-12 hours.

A number of games can be breezed through a lot quicker. Resident Evil 5 can be finished in little over 6 hours.

RPG's tend to be the daddies of game length, some clocking in 60+ hours. However if you were to take out the backtracking, rambling text/conversations & random level grinding battles that length would probably end up around the same 12 hour mark.

[iWoz]

I think this may be my next purchase!

[rezenclowd3]

No average game length of an action/adventure title is 8-12 hours.

A number of games can be breezed through a lot quicker. Resident Evil 5 can be finished in little over 6 hours.

RPG's tend to be the daddies of game length, some clocking in 60+ hours. However if you were to take out the backtracking, rambling text/conversations & random level grinding battles that length would probably end up around the same 12 hour mark.

I think you breeze through games then. RE5 took me MUCH longer, and generally don't have a hard time playing games. Then again I do try to complete games, not just beat the story, and I also play on the hardest difficulty. If one wants to be babied, I can see "beating" (story only) most games on easy or medium in a shorter time period.

[MacRumorUser]

^ Nah I'm a hardcore gamer who play's on easy settings :D:D:D

Seriously too many games for me to play (i'm more of a compulsive buyer than anything if I'm truly honest) that even though a game can be finished in say 10 hours it will probably still take me the best part of 6-24 months to complete unless I grow utterly tired of it and never finish it (which happens to be the vast majority of games these days)....

Games that truly grip me, I will spend considerably more time on. I'm already 20 hours + on both my Dragon Age : Origin save's.

[sikkinixx]

^ Nah I'm a hardcore gamer who play's on easy settings :D:D:D

Seriously too many games for me to play (i'm more of a compulsive buyer than anything if I'm truly honest) that even though a game can be finished in say 10 hours it will probably still take me the best part of 6-24 months to complete unless I grow utterly tired of it and never finish it (which happens to be the vast majority of games these days)....

Games that truly grip me, I will spend considerably more time on. I'm already 20 hours + on both my Dragon Age : Origin save's.

Persona 4.



On topic, the demo was fantastic. Everything I wanted in the game. The fight is intense since some actions need to be entered so quickly. Voice acting on two of the characters (slut and the FBI agent) were a bit off, and some mega tearing at one point (:() but still... I want it.

[takao]

if you like interactive movies you will like it .. if you don't .. well then heavy rain is nothing for you

i tried the demo and didn't really like it much .. feels a like a rental at best... what i totally didn't like is that in many situations it shows you a button for an action on screen and you don't know what will result from that action... which doesn't make you feel exactly in control

why not make a movie in the first place ?

[sikkinixx]

if you like interactive movies you will like it .. if you don't .. well then heavy rain is nothing for you

i tried the demo and didn't really like it much .. feels a like a rental at best... what i totally didn't like is that in many situations it shows you a button for an action on screen and you don't know what will result from that action... which doesn't make you feel exactly in control

why not make a movie in the first place ?

Because it plays out differently. For instance, the first time I did the apartment scene, I got thrown out because I pushed her too hard and she got pissed off. Next time, I took a different approach and she spilled the beans about her kid and the murder.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Heavy Rain is hard to rank on my most wanted list because im not 100% sure what to expect from it. Its in the top 3 with GT5 and GoW3 though.

I can see myself playing Heavy Rain many many times to see the consequence of each action. I'll be picking it up tuesday for sure.

[MacRumorUser]

I think the same people that bough Indigo Prophecy and didn't get it, are the same who are going to struggle with Heavy Rain...


Sikinixx - Okay i've given in and placed an order for Persona 4 on ebay.... :) If it sucks I'm gonna hunt you down !! ;)

[sikkinixx]

Sikinixx - Okay i've given in and placed an order for Persona 4 on ebay.... :) If it sucks I'm gonna hunt you down !! ;)


Just remember, the first 2 hours are really slow. Lots of story.

I bet you don't get through the first dungeon before throwing it out the window :P:D

[rezenclowd3]

I like the execution of the demo, however I am not sure I will enjoy the full game so much. In games with QTE events or the likes of this game, I find myself scanning the screen waiting to pounce on the button combo instead of watching the story unfold. I will give the game a chance though.

[2nyRiggz]

^Understood but the thing with this game is the button interaction is not the usual QTE..if you miss a button press then a whole new series open up to you that will lead to another outcome or the same...it doesn't force fast button presses on you except for the action scene which like I said if you miss the button then it leads you to another.

Well these types of games arent for everyone but I'm glad to see the game sites giving it great scores.

This game is right in line with my favorite genre, survival horror which includes Silent Hill and Siren.



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[MacRumorUser]

I bet you don't get through the first dungeon before throwing it out the window :P:D

LOL.. Yeah that does sound like me..... Also ordered Star Ocean : International at same time.

Loads of JRPG's all of a sudden with FFXIII and the new one from Sega too next month :rolleyes: I'm never going to finish them so why do I buy ? Why ?

[sikkinixx]

LOL.. Yeah that does sound like me..... Also ordered Star Ocean : International at same time.

Loads of JRPG's all of a sudden with FFXIII and the new one from Sega too next month :rolleyes: I'm never going to finish them so why do I buy ? Why ?

Send me some MRU ;)

[e²Studios]

LOL.. Yeah that does sound like me..... Also ordered Star Ocean : International at same time.

Loads of JRPG's all of a sudden with FFXIII and the new one from Sega too next month :rolleyes: I'm never going to finish them so why do I buy ? Why ?

For the same reason I am 8 hours in to Star Ocean, 17 hours in to White Knight Chronicals (really good JRPG, ignore the reviews), and all the other RPG'esq games coming. I counted MRU, I have 60 disc based games and 24 downloadable.. I think I have beat maybe 5 or 6 of them, good thing I don't pay for the majority of them :p

If by Sega you mean Yakuza 3, thats one of the games I beat last year. I've been trying to get 100% with the side missions, buts its been nearly a year since I beat the main storyline :D

[2nyRiggz]

good thing I don't pay for the majority of them :p


The hell:mad::confused:....I have about 50-55 disc based games and 19 PSN games which were all paid for *grumbles* and I'm glad I don't like Jrpgs because theres like 5 or 6 of them coming out with in a month.

I usually play 3 to 4 games at once taking turns on each one and I usually finish them but games like GTA and AssCreed I buy them but never finish them(I get bored with them quickly)

I'm still knee deep in MAG, Mass Effect 2, No More Heros 2 and I haven't open up Bioshock 2 as yet...well I gotta have em when I want em so:D;)


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[MacRumorUser]

If by Sega you mean Yakuza 3, thats one of the games I beat last year. I've been trying to get 100% with the side missions, buts its been nearly a year since I beat the main storyline :D


No that's not out for a while yet here, it was Resonance of Fate which I think is published by Sega here mid march.
Not forgetting Dragon Age Awakening expansion.
Lost Rebellion (Nippon Ichi) new title
Just Cause 2
Metro 2033
God of War 3

too many games in March..

[iWoz]

Because it plays out differently. For instance, the first time I did the apartment scene, I got thrown out because I pushed her too hard and she got pissed off. Next time, I took a different approach and she spilled the beans about her kid and the murder.

Wow, You should of gone with the compassionate approach first ;)

Having played the demo, I will definately be purchasing it. I think it looks awesome! And the graphics are amazing!

[TheSpaz]

I tried getting the demo code and it says "Here's your promo code" but it doesn't show me a code. What the heck am I missing?

[NoSmokingBandit]

I think the demo is open for everyone on the store now.

What browser are you using to get the code through the mini-game thing?

[TheSpaz]

Tried the demo last night. It was kinda boring. I couldn't really get into it. Oh, and another thing that was annoying me is the stupid screen tearing. Sony turned Vsync OFF in this game, so if you hate tearing, then you won't like this game.

[iZac]

Bob am sad.

I really, REALLY want to play this game, but i played the demo tonight and i simply cant stomach time based 'simon says' gameplay. It's sad because I know it will be a brilliant engaging story, but It's ruined for me while my eyes flick from controller to screen, trying to remember where the triangle button is, or trying to read a conversation prompt that's zipping around the screen, obscured by both other text and scenery.

I want an autoplay mode so i can just watch it.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Has anyone else picked this up today?

[TheSpaz]

Has anyone else picked this up today?

Not I. I think I'm going to wait a while. I've got way too many other games to play right now. I just got my PS3 2 weeks ago and I'm still trying to play Skate 2, Modern Warfare 2 and Uncharted 2 and Silent Hill: Homecoming. See... too many titles to play. I can't start another one just yet.

[bjmach]

Picked it up at lunch

[MacRumorUser]

Picked it up at lunch

Do you want side salad with that ? ;)

[e²Studios]

Do you want side salad with that ? ;)

Do you like your salad tossed? ;):D

I got mine yesterday, been too busy to touch it though. Might have time to play tonight, though I doubt it.

[dukebound85]

Doesnt this game seem VERY boring?

Its just an interactive movie from the demo i tried

*i need to use inhaler....shake controller up and down*


so gimmicky

[ManhattanPrjct]

Doesnt this game seem VERY boring?

Its just an interactive movie from the demo i tried

*i need to use inhaler....shake controller up and down*

so gimmicky

I am actually very glad they released a demo for this game. I got a little fed up (but not that much so) but the awkwardness of the controls, but the pacing actually wasn't too bad. It seems like most first/third person games use the same basic movements, but I found it too difficult to control the characters.

I think this is a landmark game for a number of reasons, but it's just a bit too different to have a lot of mainstream success... and probably for that reason I'd be interested in playing it after buying it used later this year while games I'd be much more interested in playing are finishing development or being beta-tested by fanboys right after their release!

[diddy]

Got the game yesterday morning, and COULD NOT STOP until it ended.

Completely amazing. Highly recommended. I'm really looking forward to my second play through, making different choices, and seeing a different ending.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Doesnt this game seem VERY boring?

Its just an interactive movie from the demo i tried

*i need to use inhaler....shake controller up and down*


so gimmicky

It feels weird at first, but later it all just feels so natural. It really connects you with the character too. Compared to the full game, the demo is absolute crap.

If you are looking for something with a ton of action dont even bother with Heavy Rain. Its not an action game by any means. There are a few action scenes, and they can be very intense (mainly because if you fail you die and the game keeps going, you dont get to try again), but the focus is on the story and the story is amazing.

[2nyRiggz]

Okay I got my copy and installed the 4GB info *grumbles* and now I'm two hours into it...I'm intrigue by Ethan Mars. This guy is having a really tough time and QD really layed it thick on him(Kinda feel bad for him)

So far so good...voice acting is kinda "meh" but I love a good story and so far I'm intrigued.


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[e²Studios]

If anyone is having issues with the game freezing, the character getting stuck, audio lapses, or video stutter please report it in the following thread

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=heavyrain&thread.id=3968&view=by_date_ascending&page=6

I purposely used page 6 as a developer responded on the 2nd post on the page.

Try not to give out spoliers when if you make a report.

I had the character get stuck once (had to quit and restart the game), and some audio issues in the beginning.

One tip is to delete the patch they just released and let it re-load, that seems to help some people.

[Taustin Powers]

I went to Gamestop last night to pick it up....they had it, but they can't sell it before the big electronics retailer down the street breaks the street date, and their shipment is late. Gamestop has had it since Saturday, I even got to hold a copy in my hands. :rolleyes: But the good thing is that I was still able to preorder it that way last night, and receive the download code for the prequel chapter. Since I was there to buy the game anyways, that's a nice freebie for me! :)

However, since I am leaving for vacation tomorrow, I won't get to play it for awhile...

[spyker3292]

I can not wait!

I would have it right now, but my birthday is next Tuesday... :rolleyes:

[NoSmokingBandit]

I finished it today. Yes, its rather short, but good god is it intense! I'm going to start playing through again in order to see what i missed.

Now that i finished the story (with only one death, right at the very end :mad:) i let myself look at a few spoiler threads on the internet. I havent found one person who got the same ending i did. There seems to be about 4-5 different ways the last scene can play out and about 3-4 different epilogue scenes for each character.

Long story short, this game is fantastic. If you care at all about a great story then you must pick this up. Its not going to keep your fingers as busy as COD or something, but it draws you in like you never thought a game could. There were moments where i sat on my chair completely at a loss of what to do next because i could actually feel the emotional struggle in the character's mind.

[macfan881]

I rented the game today liking it so far imo this game screams for a "Ark" PS3 Wand patch when it comes out.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I've read that they actually designed the game for Arc, but they didnt want to wait for Sony to finish it or something.

[e²Studios]

I've read that they actually designed the game for Arc, but they didnt want to wait for Sony to finish it or something.

It was originally for the eye toy, not Arc.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-481574.aspx

[NoSmokingBandit]

Meh, close enough ;)
Doesnt Arc use Eye Toy to track the control?

[macfan881]

yes it does i did my second ending today my second one was much better than the first one lol going for walkthrough number 3 now.

[angelneo]

I just completed the game, it was amazing. I was fooled by the mind tricks in some of the scenes. I guess I was one of the lucky few, I got a good ending in my first play though but I did screw up some of the scenario. Some of the scenes remind me of the movie Saw.

I have to add on that this game suffers quite a few technical glitches though.

[Taustin Powers]

I finally started playing last night. Very glitchy, indeed. Audio hiccups right from the start; in the shopping mal scene the video froze but the audio kept going, then the video came back and ran without sound (since the audio had already played). How the game was declared "gold" in this state is beyond me. :confused:

But I am really enjoying it. The walking controls are the only negative thing I can come up with. But it's no big deal so far, the control scheme in general is very fitting and really connects you with the characters. The story seems very interesting and well told. Only a few hours in, but my g/f and I are very intrigued. Can't wait to see how this unfolds...

[Vidder]

I didn't play it, but i watched a friend play it because it was quite entertaining to just "watch." It was really just like watching a movie. They could easily make hundreds of this types of games that could entertain a few people as if watching a movie.

Maybe this is the next form of entertainment; interactive movies. Opens up a lot of possibilities.

Also, it really looked amazing. Graphics were sweet. We did have a few skips here and there as mentioned by previous posters.


(i only read the last page of posts, so forgive me if i repeated anything/everything)

[Taustin Powers]

Finally finished it today! What a ride, I really enjoyed it.

On my first ending, ALL FOUR playable characters died...but Shaun lived. It was pretty harsh. Then I played around some more and got a few better ones, including the "Four Heros" trophy.

For some reason, it wouldn't give me the Birthday trophy, even though I did everything that was asked. Weird, but oh well.

Overall, a great game, very well done! I'd like to see more like it!

SPOILER QUESTION:
Highlight to read: Is it ever revealed why Ethan is having these blackouts and ends up with origami figured in his hands??

[MacRumorUser]

Not enjoying it as much as I did Indigo prophecy / Fahrenheit....

[takao]

played it together with friends while having somedrinks during eastern with swapping controller back and forth ... and for that purpose it was fun (also thanks to our great QTE skills we did pletny of trophies) but i hate to say it's a rental at best.. sure gettign all the trophies migth take some time but after finishing it i don't have a motivation for playing through the whole thing again ...

it's better than i expected it to be as an interactive movie and it's hilarious if you sit in front of the Tv arguing about what to do in certain situations but i can't see it developing into more than a niche .. especially at that price

[DdMac679]

I agree this would be a good rental, period! It was very enjoyable for me but seemed very short. Right now I am just trophy hunting before selling back to Gamestop. With some tweaks there could be a good future with this type of gameplay interaction.

[Taustin Powers]

It seems like my definition of a "short" game is changing drastically the older I get. I just don't have that much time to game anymore... Bioshock lasted me a good year. Heavy Rain lasted me over a month (one play-through), and I played that what I consider "a lot". As a rental, I would have to play it an entire weekend, from the minute I wake up until I go back to sleep. Reality is, if I get like 3-4 hours in on a weekend, it's exceptional.

[Sambo110]

I finished it a couple of days ago, I thought it was amazing. One of the best PS3 games there is. Unfortunately I got a kind of bad ending :(

[Imperatore]

Loved it, played until I got every ending. My GOTY so far.

[takao]

It seems like my definition of a "short" game is changing drastically the older I get. I just don't have that much time to game anymore... Bioshock lasted me a good year. Heavy Rain lasted me over a month (one play-through), and I played that what I consider "a lot". As a rental, I would have to play it an entire weekend, from the minute I wake up until I go back to sleep. Reality is, if I get like 3-4 hours in on a weekend, it's exceptional.

well we got through it in 2 sittings on friday and saturday evening .. both around roughly 4 hours perhaps
and my rental comment was more focused on the current price of heavy rain .. paying 69 euros like some shops want around here is simply out of question for a interactive movie for me


sometimes games can last me months as well.. like uncharted 1 which i have to admit is simply too cliche and predictable story wise and with annoying combat .. i had to force me to actually finish it ... i borrowed it from a friend ;)

[txa1265]

It seems like my definition of a "short" game is changing drastically the older I get. I just don't have that much time to game anymore... Bioshock lasted me a good year. Heavy Rain lasted me over a month (one play-through), and I played that what I consider "a lot". As a rental, I would have to play it an entire weekend, from the minute I wake up until I go back to sleep. Reality is, if I get like 3-4 hours in on a weekend, it's exceptional.

But as I have said in other contexts, that is great *for you* ... but game length is an objective quantity ... so just because one round of Tiger Woods PGA Golf now takes you a month shouldn't stop those of us who continue to want RPG's to be 40+ hours like back in the 80's ...

[Taustin Powers]

but game length is an objective quantity ...

Not really. What's a short game for some people can be long for others. The time to finish is quantifiable and therefore subjective. Whether it's "long" or "short" depends on your personal standards.

so just because one round of Tiger Woods PGA Golf now takes you a month shouldn't stop those of us who continue to want RPG's to be 40+ hours like back in the 80's ...

Who ever said it should?

Not really seeing the point of your post here....

:confused:

[txa1265]

Not really. What's a short game for some people can be long for others. The time to finish is quantifiable and therefore subjective. Whether it's "long" or "short" depends on your personal standards.

Sorry - but if the average FPS in 2000 was 12 hours, and in 2010 is 4 hours ... the games are shorter. Period.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Not really. What's a short game for some people can be long for others. The time to finish is quantifiable and therefore subjective. Whether it's "long" or "short" depends on your personal standards.



Nope. MW2 is going to take less time to finish than Far Cry unless you are just being stupid and wasting time.

[Taustin Powers]

Reading comprehension, guys....

The time it takes to finish a game is not subjective. 8 hours is 8 hours, no matter who plays it.

Whether 8 hours is short or long is up to your judgment. Many people say Bioshock or Heavy Rain were "short". They weren't to me.

[Dagless]

Sorry - but if the average FPS in 2000 was 12 hours, and in 2010 is 4 hours

Not all, just the bad ones.
Besides an "8 hour game" isn't a fixed length. Some people might speed through it whilst others (like me) inspect everything and take their sweet time. That's why HL2 took me 12 hours, and even the episodes took me 6 hours or so.

[txa1265]

Reading comprehension, guys....

The time it takes to finish a game is not subjective. 8 hours is 8 hours, no matter who plays it.

Whether 8 hours is short or long is up to your judgment. Many people say Bioshock or Heavy Rain were "short". They weren't to me.

But then if an 8 hour game is 'long', what is a 35 hour RPG ... or the 80 hours I took for Dragon Age ... or my recent 120 hour replay of Baldur's Gate 2?

[takao]

But then if an 8 hour game is 'long', what is a 35 hour RPG ... or the 80 hours I took for Dragon Age ... or my recent 120 hour replay of Baldur's Gate 2?

well game lenght is more dependend on game type and genre
shooter with 30 hours: very long
RPG with 10 hours: laughable short

i found the pacing of heavy rain just right in matters of lenght for what it is.. it never felt that i was grinding away or not being entertained or that it was cut too short (despite plot holes left open)

[Taustin Powers]

But then if an 8 hour game is 'long', what is a 35 hour RPG ... or the 80 hours I took for Dragon Age ... or my recent 120 hour replay of Baldur's Gate 2?

These would be games that would probably last me five years each! ;)

Seriously though, this debate is rather silly. I was just commenting on how I have less time to play as I get older, and therefore games last me much longer and do not seem "short" to me. Just my personal observation/experience; nothing to argue about, really. Ten years ago, when I had a lot more time to dick around with video games, I probably would have considered Heavy Rain and Bioshock "short" as well.