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deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 12:49 PM
Just tried to order a graphics card through owc, but they were complaining about verification as im in the uk. So have decided to get it elsewhere...

I was gonna get the 9200 128mb card, but have just seen it wont support core image, is it worth getting something like a 5200 or one of the cheaper graphics cards supported by core image.

Also if someone could suggest a good place in the uk to get graphics cards for macs from that would be really helpful.

cheers.

rich

Lord Blackadder
Dec 6, 2004, 01:27 PM
What Mac are you planning on upgrading? That info is critical in determining what card you can get.

The 5200 only works in G5s (might work in MDD G4s with some modification). The 9200 is worthless, IMO - slower than the Radeon 9000. If you have any kind of G4 tower (I'm assuming), your only good option is the Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition, for $350. But it supports core video. None of the older nVidia cards are worth the hassle, you might consider a Radeon 9000 if you aren't worried about gaming but if you must have core video the 9800 is your only option.

Don't live in th UK, so I can't help you on the last question.

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 02:36 PM
Im upgrading a G4 533dp digital aduio.

My only options seem to be the ati 9200 or 9800. Am thinking of upgrading to a g5 when the next revision comes out. I was basically just looking for something to improve on my 128 rage pro...

apple only sell the 9200, dont think they do the 9000 and the one place i saw it was a little more than 9200, any reason?

cheers

cluthz
Dec 6, 2004, 02:36 PM
Just tried to order a graphics card through owc, but they were complaining about verification as im in the uk. So have decided to get it elsewhere...

I was gonna get the 9200 128mb card, but have just seen it wont support core image, is it worth getting something like a 5200 or one of the cheaper graphics cards supported by core image.

Also if someone could suggest a good place in the uk to get graphics cards for macs from that would be really helpful.

cheers.

rich

Didn't you have a 500mhz G4? If thats the case, don't care about core image because your machine isn't going to take full advamtage of it anyway.

The only non G5 card that supports Core Image is Radeon 9800 and it would probably cost 350. You can also try to get a hacked 9600 for it, I think it would be difficult in UK..

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 02:47 PM
nope, always had a 533dp... possible i wrote it wrong before, dont know...

Im finding it difficult to get any kind of card. I always thought the 12"powerbook had a geforce 5200...

ok, so how dangerous is it to convert a pc graphics card and flash it...

Lord Blackadder
Dec 6, 2004, 02:58 PM
nope, always had a 533dp... possible i wrote it wrong before, dont know...

Im finding it difficult to get any kind of card. I always thought the 12"powerbook had a geforce 5200...

ok, so how dangerous is it to convert a pc graphics card and flash it...

If you check my sig you'll see that I've got a Dual 533....and I looked into video card upgrades.

9600 Pro in a G4 (http://www.techseekers.net/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=71). this is not tested in the digital audio and the chart on the site seems to indicate that it won't work.

There is also a site somewhere with instructions for flashing a PC 9800 Pro for use on a G4, can't find the link right now. It takes some work but can save money if you are more tech-friendly and handy with a soldering iron. I have not yet seen anything dealing with the modding the 5200; most people opt for the better performance of the 9800 anyway.

Mord
Dec 6, 2004, 03:03 PM
you cant use a 5200, it's a crap card dont even bother an 8500 is faster.

for flashing check out www.cubeowner.com, you just have to do a rom flash with a reduced rom, it works great as long as you buy the right card (connect3d or sapphire).

the 9600 trick will work in your mac

Lord Blackadder
Dec 6, 2004, 03:11 PM
you cant use a 5200, it's a crap card dont even bother an 8500 is faster.

for flashing check out www.cubeowner.com, you just have to do a rom flash with a reduced rom, it works great as long as you buy the right card (connect3d or sapphire).

the 9600 trick will work in your mac

Do you have any evidence that it will work in a Digital Audio? I'm asking since I can get a 9600 cheap off a friend who upgraded, but the voltage differences made me think it wouldn't work, so I never tried it.

EDIT: Ok, just answered my own question. OWC is selling a 9600 Pro for G4 (http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=7292&Item=APL630ATI96G4) (apparently a modded OEM card), so the mod must work in a Digital Audio. I think I'm gonna order one if my buddy got rid of his.

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 03:11 PM
ok, cheers, will look into this a bit more now... a bit of reading to do me thinks...

out of interest, i always assumed my machine was a digital audio version, but how can i tell. Am assuming there wouldnt be two different dual 533 so i must have the same model as LordBlackadder.. can you confirm that it is a digital audio one?

cheers

Lord Blackadder
Dec 6, 2004, 03:25 PM
Low End Mac's website shows that only Digital Audios came with Dual 533s.

The modded 9600 is the best bang for the buck G4 video card and will support core video.

oingoboingo
Dec 6, 2004, 03:29 PM
Do you have any evidence that it will work in a Digital Audio? I'm asking since I can get a 9600 cheap off a friend who upgraded, but the voltage differences made me think it wouldn't work, so I never tried it.

EDIT: Ok, just answered my own question. OWC is selling a 9600 Pro for G4 (http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=7292&Item=APL630ATI96G4) (A flashed PC card?), so the mod must work in a Digital Audio. I think I'm gonna order one if my buddy got rid of his.

The Radeon 9600 Pros that OWC are selling are Apple OEM cards, but they have been altered so that they run in an AGP 4x slot (they are originally AGP 8x cards...you only need to block off one of the contacts on the AGP connector to convert it to AGP 4x). I sold my 64MB Radeon 9600 Pro card that originally shipped with my 1.6GHz G5 to a G4 PowerMac owner via eBay, and he reported that it worked without a problem in his 1GHz Quicksilver (using the sticky-tape-on-the-AGP-connector-trick).

A Radeon 9600 Pro is a much better card than either a Radeon 9200 or an nVidia FX5200. The 9600 Pro will support all CoreImage/CoreVideo hardware acceleration, and runs games and 3D apps quickly to boot.

Regarding OWC's international verification rules, it is a small pain in the arse, but all they require you to do is fill in their form, and fax it back to them along with a photocopy of your passport and an image of your credit card. I guess they've been stung with some international fraud before. I've had quite a few things delivered to Australia from OWC over the past few years, and their international service has always been very fast and efficient.

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 03:33 PM
Ok, so i was right...

So can i be cheeky now and ask if you could give me some help with finding out which particular card to mod or flash... im not particularly techie, but happy to learn. eg 9600 saphire etc...

Cheers

oingoboingo
Dec 6, 2004, 03:38 PM
Ok, so i was right...

So can i be cheeky now and ask if you could give me some help with finding out which particular card to mod or flash... im not particularly techie, but happy to learn. eg 9600 saphire etc...

Cheers

Check out the graphics card forums over at www.xlr8yourmac.com. That seems to be where all the graphics card flashers hang out. I don't remember seeing anyone successfully flash a PC Radeon 9600, but people have certainly flashed 9800 cards (although they require hardware modification). There are also a number of people on eBay US who sell Mac-flashed Radeon cards at a substantial discount to the full ATI priced Mac Edition cards, and who will ship internationally (I was considering buying a flashed PC card before I managed to get a good deal on a genuine ATI 256MB Radeon 9800 Pro Special Edition Mac card).

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 04:34 PM
would it be better if just bought a 9000 for mac from apple or somint?

Not sure if i could handle all the soldering, dont mind flashing stuff but soldering iron might be a bit advanced for me..

it would still be a huge improvement on my rage 128 pro... surely?

Mord
Dec 6, 2004, 04:37 PM
no they dont, you can flash a 9800 with justa rom flash if you use the reduced rom, you would need to replace the rom chip with a 128kb version if it did not exist (which it did not when people started flashing 9800's) just get the reduced rom at www.cubeowner.com in the faq and flash it with ati flash.

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 04:44 PM
ahhh, ok cheers... ive got the reduced roms now...

Just a couple more questions, do we know which 9800 cards are supported to flash with this or can anyone recomend any?

And can i just flash the card using a mac and ati flash? and info on this would great.

also, i am using a crt monitor with vga, will i have to get a converter from dvi to vga or does it have a vga port as well...

Thanks for everyones help...

Mord
Dec 6, 2004, 05:10 PM
they have vga ports, i'd just a get a sapphire 9800 pro 128MB, dont get a 256MB version it will only see 128MB of it. i have only ever flashed on a pc so i'm not too sure, look into some threads on the forum.

deadfrog
Dec 6, 2004, 05:31 PM
Ok, i do have access to a pc so could do it via that... do i have to worry about the card saying its agp8x, im gonna put it in a dual 533, which i think is agp4x... would i have to tape it up like shown in one of the sites?

eg would this one work? Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB AGP8X Graphic Card with DVI & TV-Out Lite Retail http://www.kelkoo.co.uk/sitesearch/go.jsp?offerId=191401110201uk191401-Sapphire-Sapphire+ATI+Radeon+9800+Pro+128MB+AGP8X+Graphic+Card+with+DVI+%26amp%3B+TV-Out+Lite+Retail+%2821016-00-20%29&orw
or
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009WVXY/qid=1102376844/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_1_2/202-7143071-8344602 ?

thanks to all, especally hector and lordblackadder...

Lord Blackadder
Dec 6, 2004, 06:04 PM
Some cards are AGP 4x/8x, but the ones that are 8x only will have to taped. Like Hector said, avoid, the 256MB cards. I'm also not sure whether the PC 9800XT or 9800SE work for flashing, you may want to stick to the 9800 Pro (anybody want to confirm/debunk that?).

From what I've read, the flashing could be done soley on the Mac, but if it doesn't work the first time you'll have no video (unless you have a second video card in the PCI slot), which will leave you SOL.

deadfrog
Dec 7, 2004, 04:59 AM
This has been really helpful, i now have to pluck up the courage and risk flashing a new card and hoping it all goes well, if not im screwed. I am presuming i can keep my ati rage 128 pro in and use that while i flash the 9800?

cluthz
Dec 7, 2004, 07:06 AM
This has been really helpful, i now have to pluck up the courage and risk flashing a new card and hoping it all goes well, if not im screwed. I am presuming i can keep my ati rage 128 pro in and use that while i flash the 9800?

No. Your machine only one apg slot. You can't have the rage 128 pro inside while flashing.

Lord Blackadder
Dec 7, 2004, 10:22 AM
If you want a second graphics card for when you are flashing, you need a PCI card (like cluthz said, your Rage is AGP). That means getting an original Radeon Mac Edition, a Radeon 7000, or 9200. Or something real old like a 3Dfx Voodoo. You could probably pick one up on ebay pretty darn cheap, but on the downside it's one more thing to buy.

deadfrog
Dec 7, 2004, 02:07 PM
ok, basically after doing shed loads of research, and your all gonna probbably hate me for it, but i think im gonna order the modded 9600 from owc, just gonna have to bite the bullet and put in my details.

Am presuming its ok, have checked around, and it just feels the best option rather than me messing around with stuff im not too hot, plus im a student so i cant afford to burn 150 on the cahnce of it working... :(

reckon the 9600 will cater for more than my needs to keep my puppy alive unitll i can afford a g5 when they get revised again...

Thanks.

Lord Blackadder
Dec 7, 2004, 02:29 PM
Good luck, let us know how it turns out (I'll probably buy myself the same thing for christmas).

deadfrog
Dec 10, 2004, 09:44 AM
Well, i ordered it after sorting out all the details, was a bit of mission but got there in the end.

I tracked it via the ups site and saw it had arrived in eastleigh today, they turned up at the door, but my door bell to my house doesnt work and the idiot driver obviously didnt think to knock on the door. I mean its his job and he doesnt think to knock if the door bell doesnt work...

Anyhow, either i drive up to southampton and spend more money or wait till monday now. Is a royal pain in the arse, but there you go.

Will let you all know how it turns out... Also does anyone know where you can get the 9600 drivers? They dont seem to be there to download on ati's web sit...

Or does anyone know whether i can use any other drivers to get all the options available. I am running 10.3.6.

Cheers

rich

Lord Blackadder
Dec 10, 2004, 10:03 AM
Download ATI's firmware update (http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/mac/atimacromoct2004.html) from their web site.

then,

Download ATI Display (http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx-ATI-displays.html) from ATI's web site.

I did these on my 7500 (even though it wasn't listed); I'm not 100% sure you'll need the firmware update, but the installer will determine that and let you know. ATI Display will give you the ability to manually override game settings to get the best performance.

EDIT: you need to have the card installed to run the firmware updater, of course.

deadfrog
Dec 10, 2004, 10:45 AM
ok, thanks... now all i have to do is wait till monday... :(

bousozoku
Dec 10, 2004, 11:41 AM
The Radeon 9600 Pros that OWC are selling are Apple OEM cards, but they have been altered so that they run in an AGP 4x slot (they are originally AGP 8x cards...you only need to block off one of the contacts on the AGP connector to convert it to AGP 4x). I sold my 64MB Radeon 9600 Pro card that originally shipped with my 1.6GHz G5 to a G4 PowerMac owner via eBay, and he reported that it worked without a problem in his 1GHz Quicksilver (using the sticky-tape-on-the-AGP-connector-trick).
...


I have one of those cards arriving from OWC today for my dual G4/800. It should be interesting to see the results.

caveman_uk
Dec 14, 2004, 04:24 AM
Yeah...info needed on using these cards as I'm looking to get one for my MDD. I need to find a cheap ADC adapter on ebay too...

deadfrog
Dec 14, 2004, 07:27 AM
ok, it arrived today... installation was fairly straightforward, had more trouble trying to remove my rage 128...

The power for the card doesnt line up with my motherboard, so that will be why there is no power for dvi etc... but they do explain this on owc...

im using a dvi to vga converter that i bought for 4 at a local shop so its not a problem for me.

impressions....

when i first booted my machine, there was no signal for the grey screen but once os x kicked in, i got a signal. Obviously i had to set displays back up.

I still dont get the grey screen when booting which is kinda important if you want to boot from another hard drive or get the warning signals... if anyone has any ideas on making this work i would be really grateful!

Tested a couple of games so far, first was return to castle wolfenstein... runs very nicely, full settings on 1024 x 768 everything turned on, its pretty smooth but i imagine the only thing stopping it from being completely silky is my dual 533...

Then tested sim cuty 4, seems to be running ok, but this was my first time on the game so was onyl running the tutorial since it requires a 32mb graphics card and my rage didnt meet that...

should be testing out battlefield 1942 but this could struggle as it requires a 800 mhz processor... not sure how my dual will help out with games but not expecting much.

have installed the ati displays, however it does say i require the firmware update, but when i was reading about the firmware update it doesnt seem to support the 9600 so i didnt run it, if anyone can shed some light on this as to what to do.

Anyhow, have rambled enough now... iif anyone has any questions, feel free to ask... i will be doing some xbench tests in a bit...

bousozoku
Dec 14, 2004, 07:43 PM
I also got my Radeon 9600/modified today. I wish I had walking room behind the computer. What a pain it was to remove the DVI->VGA adapter!

The lack of a real signal on boot startled me but first time, things don't always work exactly right. If it continues, I'll know not to be startled again.

I haven't tried much so far. I never realised how nice UT2004 looked. It's just so much nicer with a healthy video card. I have to try many other things but I'm quite pleased already, except with the delivery. Due last Friday, I only just received it this afternoon, after being again promised this morning. DHL + Airborne = bad service, something I didn't have before DHL was involved.

Anyway, I have several FPS and other things to test. It should be interesting to see the difference.

caveman_uk
Dec 16, 2004, 05:23 AM
Deadfrog. Did you get stung for VAT and/.or Duty when the card arrived?

Mord
Dec 16, 2004, 11:36 AM
you ALWAYS get done for vat from owc, you get a bill from fedex saying they have charged your credit card about a month later so you think you have gotten away with it

caveman_uk
Dec 16, 2004, 02:50 PM
I see. Are they like Parcelforce and charge you for the pleasure of collecting your tax or is it just the VAT+any import duty that gets charged?

I've ordered myself a 9600 (currently in Paris - It was in Stansted earlier but it fancied a Gauloise!) so I was wondering if and when they'd want the tax. BTW, so far, I've been impressed by OWC.

deadfrog
Dec 17, 2004, 06:09 AM
yeah, i got stung for import tax... came to 22.25 or something... As i got it delivered via ups they asked for C.O.D. so had to pay there and then...

Dont think they charge you vat, cos thats like 17.5% and it comes to well over that unless, they charge vat and import duty... dunno, cant remember how it all works now, but i just figured i had to pay it since they didnt put gift on the box like some other kind american companies i have ordered from in the past.

still cant work out how to get the grey screen at boot up, if anyone has any suggestions i would be greatful..

cheers...

caveman_uk
Dec 17, 2004, 11:16 AM
Mine's arrived. Off to Regent Street to get an ADC adapter as the ebay ones are asking stupid money for 2nd hand stuff. Fedex didn't even mention cash up front. I guess I wait for a charge to my credit card later! :(

Incidently 'gift' shouldn't help you as that only allows tax free imports up to 32 in value. Without the 'gift' it's 18 (IIRC - maybe 16)

Mord
Dec 17, 2004, 11:20 AM
I see. Are they like Parcelforce and charge you for the pleasure of collecting your tax or is it just the VAT+any import duty that gets charged?

I've ordered myself a 9600 (currently in Paris - It was in Stansted earlier but it fancied a Gauloise!) so I was wondering if and when they'd want the tax. BTW, so far, I've been impressed by OWC.

no, i hate that i buy something worth 40 so that should be like 8 but i get hit by the magical we charge you 8 for a wire transfer :mad: to make you pay 16 which is a rather large chunk for the 40 item, moral of the story, never use parcel force they suck.

deadfrog
Dec 19, 2004, 05:10 PM
ok, just to let people know the "no grey screen" at boot was something to do with my monitor and im guessing refresh rate... have swapped over to my better monitor now and it now comes up... strange mind as im guessing there must be some way to change this?

anyways... ill let this thread die now... if anyone wants anymore info just message me and ill be happy to help where i can..

rich.

caveman_uk
Dec 20, 2004, 04:11 AM
Off to Regent Street to get an ADC adapter as the ebay ones are asking stupid money for 2nd hand stuff.
Damn Apple Store didn't have any, nor Microanvika nor Cancom Cambridge. Seems odd....are Apple phasing them out or is it that a lot of people have bought 9600's from OWC?

drlunanerd
Dec 20, 2004, 06:56 AM
Damn Apple Store didn't have any, nor Microanvika nor Cancom Cambridge. Seems odd....are Apple phasing them out or is it that a lot of people have bought 9600's from OWC?

Square Group on New Oxford St. might have some. I bought an ADC-DVI adaptor for my Radeon 9000 a while ago from them.

islim
Jan 26, 2005, 07:22 PM
yeah, i got stung for import tax... came to 22.25 or something... As i got it delivered via ups they asked for C.O.D. so had to pay there and then...

Dont think they charge you vat, cos thats like 17.5% and it comes to well over that unless, they charge vat and import duty... dunno, ...

As i've been wanting to upgrade my graphics card in my Digital Audio, i've been reading loads of forums researching this issue. Finally... I've ordered the Radeon 9600 Pro from OWC. Living in the UK, I had to supply loads of ID info before the order was processed. Also spoke to Customs & Excise (C&E) and was given a Commodity Code (8471800000) which means zero% duty! This has been confirmed by downloading a PDF from C&E website (uktradeinfo.com).

The only charge payable is VAT, which will come to about 13 for my order. It's worth getting the C&E Commodity Codes for computers/parts as you can check online whether duty is payable or not. Stops the UPS/FedEx guys getting our hard earned cash!

drlunanerd
Jan 29, 2005, 05:34 AM
As i've been wanting to upgrade my graphics card in my Digital Audio, i've been reading loads of forums researching this issue. Finally... I've ordered the Radeon 9600 Pro from OWC. Living in the UK, I had to supply loads of ID info before the order was processed. Also spoke to Customs & Excise (C&E) and was given a Commodity Code (8471800000) which means zero% duty! This has been confirmed by downloading a PDF from C&E website (uktradeinfo.com).

The only charge payable is VAT, which will come to about 13 for my order. It's worth getting the C&E Commodity Codes for computers/parts as you can check online whether duty is payable or not. Stops the UPS/FedEx guys getting our hard earned cash!

Excellent tip!! Oh god, this might tip me over the edge and make me order a 9600, ha ha! I"m supposed to be saving up to buy a house - my gf will kill me! :o

caveman_uk
Feb 1, 2005, 04:54 AM
You think you've got problems. You should have seen my wifes face when I said I wanted to get that Gigadesigns 1.42GHz DP upgrade for my MDD!

drlunanerd
Feb 3, 2005, 04:09 PM
You think you've got problems. You should have seen my wifes face when I said I wanted to get that Gigadesigns 1.42GHz DP upgrade for my MDD!

Ha ha! No, I'm actually very lucky. I mentioned to my girlfriend that I was thinking of buying another LCD monitor, as they've tanked in price, so I can have a dual-DVI extended desktop. She said cool, go for it! Er, hello? I need her to be my better conscience, steering me away from blowing our cash on techie toys, not encouraging me!

She's sweet and wants a Mac herself (I've already fobbed her off with an old Toshiba laptop, sorry). Might have to get her a secondhand TiBook for Valentine's Day, aww :p

PS I'd have to say that a 1.42GHz DP upgrade probably isn't worth it for an MDD. I went from a stock 400MHz G4 to a 1.467GHz GigaDesigns upgrade and it's made a huge difference, saving me having to buy a newer Mac for a couple of years now. But I can't see getting the same bang for the buck if you're already wielding an MDD? Sorry, I'm siding with your missus!

caveman_uk
Feb 4, 2005, 06:34 AM
PS I'd have to say that a 1.42GHz DP upgrade probably isn't worth it for an MDD. I went from a stock 400MHz G4 to a 1.467GHz GigaDesigns upgrade and it's made a huge difference, saving me having to buy a newer Mac for a couple of years now. But I can't see getting the same bang for the buck if you're already wielding an MDD? Sorry, I'm siding with your missus!
I'm getting processor envy though. It sucks when Apple's cheapest computer is probably faster than the chuffing huge tower that's whiring away next to you! I've ummed and arrredd about it as well. I'm keeping an eye on PM resale prices at the moment....

drlunanerd
Feb 4, 2005, 07:25 AM
I'm getting processor envy though. It sucks when Apple's cheapest computer is probably faster than the chuffing huge tower that's whiring away next to you! I've ummed and arrredd about it as well. I'm keeping an eye on PM resale prices at the moment....

Don't believe the hype. Your MDD DP 1GHz will easily outpace a new Mac mini, and would certainly give an iMac G5 a run for its money too. I speak from first-hand experience here. I know it's tempting to max out your PowerMac but I think you won't notice a significant performance increase given that yours is a recent model in terms of G4s.

I mean, if you use your Mac for work and every second counts, then maybe, but I'd probably sell it and buy a second-hand rev. A DP PowerMac G5 instead of spending 300-400 on a CPU upgrade.

caveman_uk
Feb 4, 2005, 08:04 AM
The mini doesn't have a L3 cache does it so I guess you're right the MDD would still stuff the mini's processor. Phew, my mac still wins a pissing competition ;)

Obviously my harddrive system is a LOT faster too.

I guess I'll keep this for a bit longer and get a G5 in a year or so's time.

Thanks for giving me a slap and see sense :rolleyes:

drlunanerd
Feb 4, 2005, 08:24 AM
The mini doesn't have a L3 cache does it so I guess you're right the MDD would still stuff the mini's processor. Phew, my mac still wins a pissing competition ;)

Obviously my harddrive system is a LOT faster too.

I guess I'll keep this for a bit longer and get a G5 in a year or so's time.

Thanks for giving me a slap and see sense :rolleyes:

I've been on your side of the fence so many times, believe me I know it's like an addiction daydreaming about new hardware!

I was thinking more in terms of your dual CPUs, hadn't even factored in the L3 cache but that makes a big difference too so good point. Your hard disk will spank the Mac mini's, and of course you have much better expandability. That's where the PowerMac G5s lose out (although you can mod the case inside to cram more hard disks in, it costs to do it). I've long felt the MDD is an ideal system for me (have a DP 1.25GHz FW800 model at work), but can't really justify dumping my modded Gig. Ethernet model for the extra cash it would require.

Major advantage of the mini is it's quietness (did you get your PSU replaced under the recall scheme BTW?), but you're trading a lot of performance for that. I recently helped a friend buy a second hand iMac G5 1.8, and that quickly gets noisy when the CPU is working even moderately hard.

OK, look what about buying a nice new fast Pioneer DVR-109 Superdrive for it as a Valentine's present?! You can pick them up for under 50, your wife will be thrilled I'm sure!

caveman_uk
Feb 4, 2005, 09:03 AM
Yeah...I really like the MDD form factor. Much better than the G5s - apart from noise. I've got the replacement PSU thanks.

I've got a 8x DVR-107D in the MDD at the moment anyway so maybe I'll give the 109 a miss. And as for expandability, yeah I guess I'd miss my seven USB, five firewire ports, 4 RAM slots and four drive carriers. ;)

Lord Blackadder
Feb 4, 2005, 10:44 AM
Well, I'm glad I live just a state or two away from OWC - makes buying things quicker and cheaper! :p

My brother just bought a 1.42GHz Mac mini, and it has really made me think about the sense of putting money into my Digital Audio Dual 533 versus getting a mini.

He spent about $1000 (with Apple Care), and I've spent around $1200 (not counting displays for either of us). But my 250GB SATA hard drive will run rings around his laptop drive, and is much larger. The Radeon 9600 is worlds better than the Mini's 9200. I've got the DVR-107 which burns at 8x, rather than the min's 4x. Having two processors helps make up for the slower clock in some apps, and the case is WAY easier to open! :D Once I finally get a CPU upgrade, I'll have a machine that outperforms the mini easily in every way.

Plus, because I have Digital Audio I don't have the noise problems that MDD owners have.

drlunanerd
Feb 5, 2005, 03:24 AM
Well, I'm glad I live just a state or two away from OWC - makes buying things quicker and cheaper! :p

My brother just bought a 1.42GHz Mac mini, and it has really made me think about the sense of putting money into my Digital Audio Dual 533 versus getting a mini.

He spent about $1000 (with Apple Care), and I've spent around $1200 (not counting displays for either of us). But my 250GB SATA hard drive will run rings around his laptop drive, and is much larger. The Radeon 9600 is worlds better than the Mini's 9200. I've got the DVR-107 which burns at 8x, rather than the min's 4x. Having two processors helps make up for the slower clock in some apps, and the case is WAY easier to open! :D Once I finally get a CPU upgrade, I'll have a machine that outperforms the mini easily in every way.

Plus, because I have Digital Audio I don't have the noise problems that MDD owners have.

Once you upgrade the CPU you will have a noise problem! ;)

If you value how quiet your DA is at the moment make sure you thoroughly research the fan noise on whatever CPU you're looking to buy. After GigaDesigns sent me 2 whiny fans for my upgrade I junked them and used a chip cooler from a Pentium! Even then it was too annoying, so I ramped the speed down with an inline resistor. It's still not quiet enough for me, but it's been running 100% fine for a year now so heat isn't an issue (I live in cold rainy UK so that helps!).

Having said that I'd always put the cash into upgrading a decent PowerMac like yours.

Italiano
Feb 6, 2005, 06:46 AM
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