PDA

View Full Version : Not your average Nativity Scene




Mr. Anderson
Dec 8, 2004, 07:56 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/08/beckhams.nativity.reut/index.html

Interesting choice of the 3 wise men (but this isn't the political forum, so best not to go there :D). You have to wonder what they were thinking...any Brits care to comment on this one?

D



edesignuk
Dec 8, 2004, 07:58 AM
I just hope they were being ironic when they put this lot together.

gwuMACaddict
Dec 8, 2004, 08:00 AM
pretty pathetic, and reasonably offensive to me as a christian. i say we move this to the political forum asap... cause i can already see where the jokes are gonna go about one of the three wise men...

blackfox
Dec 8, 2004, 08:30 AM
I think it is tongue-in-cheek and amusing. When you think about it, the appearance of the character's are somewhat arbitrary to begin with (there were no polaroids) and perhaps in today's society it takes something like this to engage interest by the masses.

also, more importantly, I think the complaints reek of hypocrisy and irony. I mean, we already **** all over the Holiday by allowing it to be a consumer/commercial free-for-all. Something like this really pales in comparison...

meh.

gwuMACaddict
Dec 8, 2004, 08:38 AM
I think the complaints reek of hypocrisy and irony. I mean, we already **** all over the Holiday by allowing it to be a consumer/commercial free-for-all.

i'm going to hope and assume this wasn't directed at me. i do think the scene is pathetic and slighty offensive- i wouldnt expect you to pretend to know how i celebrate my holidays.

blackfox
Dec 8, 2004, 08:42 AM
i'm going to hope and assume this wasn't directed at me. i do think the scene is pathetic and slighty offensive- i wouldnt expect you to pretend to know how i celebrate my holidays.
no...no, I didn't mean you. Sorry for the confusion. I meant those quoted in the article. I was not making any assumptions about how you celebrate the holidays, in fact, I thought we might come to some agreement as to the reverence the Holiday should have...now I feel bad.

gwuMACaddict
Dec 8, 2004, 08:45 AM
ok- appologies around. its early and i need more coffee. i see your point more clearly now. cheers! :D

blackfox
Dec 8, 2004, 08:58 AM
ok- appologies around. its early and i need more coffee. i see your point more clearly now. cheers! :D

yeah...I am only on cup two. Plus, I am on the west coast, it isn't even seven yet!

Glad we see eye-to-eye.

Chip NoVaMac
Dec 8, 2004, 09:00 AM
[Interesting choice of the 3 wise men (but this isn't the political forum, so best not to go there :D). You have to wonder what they were thinking...any Brits care to comment on this one?

D

That made me laugh! They could have made it better by using Rummy maybe. :D

I really wonder about the minds that set this up. I too find it offensive.

Lord Blackadder
Dec 8, 2004, 10:09 AM
This gave me quite a laugh. Famous people in funny outfits cracks me up. Odd choices for a manger scene, to be sure. A little irony in the "wise" men department, perhaps? I think it's an obvious jab. I love how the serious expression on Bush's face in particular contrasts with the "Life of Brian" outfit.

caveman_uk
Dec 8, 2004, 10:21 AM
It doesn't offend me. I'd rather see less of St Beckham and his god awful wife if at all possible though.

iGav
Dec 8, 2004, 12:46 PM
It's a Nativity scene... I don't see what's offensive myself. Had abit of a giggle at the 3 wise men though, heheheh.


And it becomes worse, if that were possible, if the people may be of questionable moral standing

Yeah, like the Vatican & co are the epitome of morals. :p

wdlove
Dec 8, 2004, 01:46 PM
I see it as wrong. Just another continuing attack on Christianity. Hopefully public criticism will cause them to discontinue this display. It's offensive, but I'm called upon to be strong in my own faith. Jesus Christ is the real reason for Christmas. Sadly for many years now it has been all about money. This is just another example.

edesignuk
Dec 8, 2004, 02:31 PM
It's funny as hell. I can just imagine them sitting round the table deciding who would be what part in the scene, I bet they were creasing up! :D

agreenster
Dec 8, 2004, 03:18 PM
I wish the world would spend more time fixing real problems rather than getting all worked up about stuff like this. This isnt an attack on Christianity. It's just something stupid. People getting offended is what eventually starts wars.

Laugh at it. God will still love you.

mvc
Dec 8, 2004, 04:00 PM
More depravity than nativity where these two are concerned. Post modern ironic or just moronic? :cool:

Xenious
Dec 8, 2004, 04:36 PM
I'm not one for football so I can't comment on Beckham, but Samuel Jackson as a shepard....That one cracked me up. Of course the vatican has to frown at this it's all about them maintaining the proper "image." Almost like trademark enforcement. They have to be prim and proper, but I for one think God (or whatever higher power) would have a snicker at this. People take themselves too seriously.

mpw
Dec 8, 2004, 04:57 PM
...i wouldnt expect you to pretend to know how i celebrate my holidays.

Your holidays?

I thought that technically the story of the birth of Jesus is supposed to have happened in the spring. Christians only only changed the celebration to mid-winter because the pagans throughout Europe had their mid-winter festivals then and when the Christians swept through Europe converting the pagans it was easier to move the holiday to take the place of the pagan bash than convince them they were simply wrong and to cancel the regular party. It's the same reason so many Christian churchs have been built at pagan sites, often slap bang on top, and the same reason costa coffee are next door to starbucks.

No personal offense meant.

Thomas Veil
Dec 9, 2004, 02:37 PM
If it's an attempt at irony, it's a bad, clumsy one.

Besides, George Bush is obviously miscast. Everybody knows he's the guy who told Mary and Joseph, "Sorry, there's we don't serve poor people at this inn. Go find a faith-based manger somewhere."

Xtremehkr
Dec 9, 2004, 05:07 PM
You can always count on religion for some free advertising.

Xtremehkr
Dec 9, 2004, 05:12 PM
http://trinitywholesale.com/prints/religious/images/a9554.jpg

Just wait and see what happens when Black Jesus goes on display.

Mr. Anderson
Dec 13, 2004, 01:00 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/13/beckhams.nativity.reut/index.html

well, someone wasn't too happy about it and actually went and did something :D

D

mpw
Dec 13, 2004, 01:10 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/13/beckhams.nativity.reut/index.html

well, someone wasn't too happy about it and actually went and did something

(from the CNN article)"Anglicans, Catholics and Presbyterians have united in calling the exhibit a new low in the cult of celebrity worship."

Celebrity worship = The worship of a celebrity
Celebrity = a widely known person
Jesus = a widely known person
Jesus = a celebrity
Christians worship Jesus. So is Christianity a cult of celebrity worship? (I always had my suspicions)