would it be smart to wait for next years mac pro? ( did not wait, thanks everyone)

[davelanger]

would it be smart to wait for next years mac pro with all the upgrades it will be getting and the new OS? I was going to buy one now, but I really dont need to, I could probably get another year out of my power pc G5.

[miles01110]

If you don't need something, don't buy it.

[ovrlrd]

If you don't need something, don't buy it.

Exactly this! If you play the waiting game, you could be waiting forever. There is no reason to do that if you need something right now. If you don't need it, don't buy it, if you do then go buy it.

The latest Mac Pro is great and there is no reason anyone would be unhappy with it.

[davelanger]

If you don't need something, don't buy it.

My computer is 6 years old, so I do need a new one soon, but I heard apple will be changing the chip set next year with a new os, so that is why I was thinking of waiting.

[ovrlrd]

My computer is 6 years old, so I do need a new one soon, but I heard apple will be changing the chip set next year with a new os, so that is why I was thinking of waiting.

They change things every year. What is to stop you from waiting another year after next for a new one? And the year after that? It's clear that you need a new computer, if you think waiting another year is worth it to you then do it, but don't expect the new ones to be that different from the current ones.

A new chipset and processors would be faster, but they are so fast right now it is not like someone with a year old Mac Pro is going to think they missed out.

Apple won't be adding anything in the new OS that requires the new ones.

You buy what you need when you need it. The waiting game is never needed unless there is a release coming soon, you don't have the money, or you don't really need it right now. If there is something you don't like about the current ones, something missing, I can understand waiting. Otherwise you might as well just buy it.

[bedifferent]

With Sandybridge, USB 3.0, FireWire 1600, perhaps Lightpeak, and perhaps hardware features 10.7 specific around the corner, if you don't need it, I'd wait.

[ovrlrd]

With Sandybridge, USB 3.0, FireWire 1600, perhaps Lightpeak, and perhaps hardware features 10.7 specific around the corner, if you don't need it, I'd wait.

If any of those things are something you really see missing from the current Mac Pro, then yeah, it might be best to wait.

Here is my opinion:

Sandbridge - Cool but not going to be such a huge jump in performance for anything but the most demanding users.
USB 3.0 - Overrated, not that great to have honestly. Anyone using external drives should be using eSATA, so it's not worth it.
FireWire 1600 - Seems like vaporware, I honestly doubt this is going to happen.
Lightpeak - Not coming anytime soon.
Hardware features in 10.7 - Apple has not done this in a long time, they seem to focus on software more than ever now. When they do hardware, it's accessories you can buy, not hardware built into the computer.

[mulo]

If any of those things are something you really see missing from the current Mac Pro, then yeah, it might be best to wait.

Here is my opinion:

Sandbridge - Cool but not going to be such a huge jump in performance for anything but the most demanding users.
USB 3.0 - Overrated, not that great to have honestly. Anyone using external drives should be using eSATA, so it's not worth it.
FireWire 1600 - Seems like vaporware, I honestly doubt this is going to happen.
Lightpeak - Not coming anytime soon.
Hardware features in 10.7 - Apple has not done this in a long time, they seem to focus on software more than ever now. When they do hardware, it's accessories you can buy, not hardware built into the computer.

yah, I'm a lot more excited for the ivy bridge, should allow for a 16 core xeon setup too :p
and bring four physical cores to the MBP's

[CaoCao]

If any of those things are something you really see missing from the current Mac Pro, then yeah, it might be best to wait.

Here is my opinion:

Sandbridge - Cool but not going to be such a huge jump in performance for anything but the most demanding users.
USB 3.0 - Overrated, not that great to have honestly. Anyone using external drives should be using eSATA, so it's not worth it.
FireWire 1600 - Seems like vaporware, I honestly doubt this is going to happen.
Lightpeak - Not coming anytime soon.
Hardware features in 10.7 - Apple has not done this in a long time, they seem to focus on software more than ever now. When they do hardware, it's accessories you can buy, not hardware built into the computer.

USB 3.0: good for large flash drives
FireWire 1600: junk, useless considering Lightpeak will be faster
Lightpeak: we may get it considering Apple has ~9 months until the server chips are out enough

[davelanger]

They change things every year. What is to stop you from waiting another year after next for a new one? And the year after that? It's clear that you need a new computer, if you think waiting another year is worth it to you then do it, but don't expect the new ones to be that different from the current ones.

A new chipset and processors would be faster, but they are so fast right now it is not like someone with a year old Mac Pro is going to think they missed out.

Apple won't be adding anything in the new OS that requires the new ones.

You buy what you need when you need it. The waiting game is never needed unless there is a release coming soon, you don't have the money, or you don't really need it right now. If there is something you don't like about the current ones, something missing, I can understand waiting. Otherwise you might as well just buy it.

Well if I want it more for gaming than anything else, wouldnt faster be better?

[alphaod]

Well if I want it more for gaming than anything else, wouldnt faster be better?

Then you should get a PC with Windows 7; would save you quite a bit of money there. Plus Windows 7 is an excellent OS.

[sboerup]

All of these rumors about "the next" Mac Pro are just heresay . . . nothing solid, nothing confirmed. Let's see, if Sandy Bridge is made available to public (not just to Apple) at the end of this year, the earliest we would see it in the next Mac system is AT LEAST 1 year from now.

If you need a new computer now, get it, the last 3 years of Mac Pro's are awesome machines, with the 2010 being the best so far. No need to wait, get it and enjoy it now. Then sell it if you think the 2011 is THAT much better, Mac Pro's hold a good resale value.

[davelanger]

Then you should get a PC with Windows 7; would save you quite a bit of money there. Plus Windows 7 is an excellent OS.

I was looking at a pc but the quality is just not the same, and I would miss OSX too much.

[johnnymg]

would it be smart to wait for next years mac pro with all the upgrades it will be getting and the new OS? I was going to buy one now, but I really dont need to, I could probably get another year out of my power pc G5.

I've been flip-flopping between the 4-6 core MP decision. I'm currently leaning toward the 3.2 Quad with the idea that I'll flip it and upgrade to the SB hex when it's released in 2012(?). My thinking is that the bus, memory, and IO improvements will be quite significant for the SB release. i.e. no sense in popping for the 2010 Hex when the current state of affairs with multi-processor compliant programs is so damn poor. I think we're 12-24 months away from any significant change on that front. :(

FWIW, I wouldn't count on Apple releasing SB MP in 2011. Just doesn't look likely given their slow rollout.

Sooooooooooo.................... happy shopping, and friends don't let friends buy Win 7 machines. :p

[Ravich]

If you can wait, yes. If you're going to be NEEDING a new computer no later than a year from now, then I wouldnt.



Yes, the best time to buy a computer is always 6 months from the current date, but this is a bit special.

Both USB3 (and maybe lightpeak) and SATA III are around the corner. These are important interfaces that dont get updated very often at all. USB2 has been around since 2000, and SATA II has been around since 2005 or so.

Granted, the importance of this depends on what you used your computer for. If you are going to be using top of the line SSDs over the next 5 years, then SATA II might be an unfortunately limitation for you. If you are going to start using SSDs whenever they become standard just because they're faster, SATA II might not be all that bad for you. The same goes for USB3.



Yes, there's always something around the corner with technology, but there's a LOT of **** right around the corner at the time being. If you're just waiting for Sandy Bridge, though, dont bother.

[davelanger]

If you can wait, yes. If you're going to be NEEDING a new computer no later than a year from now, then I wouldnt.



Yes, the best time to buy a computer is always 6 months from the current date, but this is a bit special.

Both USB3 (and maybe lightpeak) and SATA III are around the corner. These are important interfaces that dont get updated very often at all. USB2 has been around since 2000, and SATA II has been around since 2005 or so.

Granted, the importance of this depends on what you used your computer for. If you are going to be using top of the line SSDs over the next 5 years, then SATA II might be an unfortunately limitation for you. If you are going to start using SSDs whenever they become standard just because they're faster, SATA II might not be all that bad for you. The same goes for USB3.



Yes, there's always something around the corner with technology, but there's a LOT of **** right around the corner at the time being. If you're just waiting for Sandy Bridge, though, dont bother.

That is a good point since SB is going to be fall of next year at best, and could be pushed to 2012, I could wait until the end of the year since there are a ton of console games coming out that could hold me over.

I ll probably wait until nov or dec to see how close SB is and if its still far off then get one then.

[nanofrog]

My computer is 6 years old, so I do need a new one soon, but I heard apple will be changing the chip set next year with a new os, so that is why I was thinking of waiting.
The Sandy Bridge parts that would be used in the MP's won't even release until Q3/Q4 2011 (EP <2x QPI> and EN <1x QPI> parts respectively = LGA2011, aka Socket R). This means that we likely won't see those systems surface until 2012 (it's possible to get EP based systems out at the tail end, but would be cutting it close; if EN parts are used, 2012 is a definite). That may be too long of a wait for you.

I realize that Apple's gotten Intel chips earlier than the competition in the past, but given recent history, I don't think that'll be the case anymore.

If your primary usage is gaming, you may want to consider the Hackintosh route (definitely cheaper; includes using a system from a different vendor, not just DIYing a system), or a PC for gaming + Mini for OS X (should work out cheaper this way given the recent MSRP's of MP's).

[ovrlrd]

That is a good point since SB is going to be fall of next year at best, and could be pushed to 2012, I could wait until the end of the year since there are a ton of console games coming out that could hold me over.

I ll probably wait until nov or dec to see how close SB is and if its still far off then get one then.

Honestly if you are getting it for gaming there isn't going to be much that SB offers you.

[Username652719]

If any of those things are something you really see missing from the current Mac Pro, then yeah, it might be best to wait.

Here is my opinion:

Sandbridge - Cool but not going to be such a huge jump in performance for anything but the most demanding users.
USB 3.0 - Overrated, not that great to have honestly. Anyone using external drives should be using eSATA, so it's not worth it.
FireWire 1600 - Seems like vaporware, I honestly doubt this is going to happen.
Lightpeak - Not coming anytime soon.
Hardware features in 10.7 - Apple has not done this in a long time, they seem to focus on software more than ever now. When they do hardware, it's accessories you can buy, not hardware built into the computer.

sata 3.0 alone will make waiting worthwhile.

[ovrlrd]

sata 3.0 alone will make waiting worthwhile.

This could be true, but really only if you are interested in SSD. You can also always add a SATA 3.0 controller in one of the PCI-E slots. Same with USB 3.0 or FireWire 1600.

[malch]

The Sandy Bridge parts that would be used in the MP's won't even release until Q3/Q4 2011/ This means that we likely won't see those systems surface until 2012

nanofrog - - do you think SATA 3 will make it into the next Mac Pro release?
I'm not that interested in USB 3, because with my current MacBook Pro I use (e)SATA for editing, and like it a lot; I can't see ever needing USB drives.
But if SATA 3 would make a big difference when it comes to editing, I guess that would be nice— not that I'm complaining about things now, except for the hellishly long time it takes to convert AVCHD and import into Avid. But that may be a processor thing, and not something that would be helped by SATA 3.

With regards to the poster's question, I find myself wondering too if not just SATA 3, but LightPeak and whatever else the new chip architecture has going for it would make the SB release something worth waiting for. But already, of course, people are saying no, wait for Ivy Bridge... frustrating.
Cheers, malch

[Ravich]

This could be true, but really only if you are interested in SSD. You can also always add a SATA 3.0 controller in one of the PCI-E slots. Same with USB 3.0 or FireWire 1600.
How many SATA 3.0 controllers could a current Mac Pro support?

[iondot]

Well if I want it more for gaming than anything else, wouldnt faster be better?

Yes. But if your main reason is gaming, you should switch to PC and build a rig based on the games you like.

[nanofrog]

nanofrog - - do you think SATA 3 will make it into the next Mac Pro release?
I'm not that interested in USB 3, because with my current MacBook Pro I use (e)SATA for editing, and like it a lot; I can't see ever needing USB drives.
But if SATA 3 would make a big difference when it comes to editing, I guess that would be nice— not that I'm complaining about things now, except for the hellishly long time it takes to convert AVCHD and import into Avid. But that may be a processor thing, and not something that would be helped by SATA 3.
I should think so, as SB will get a new chipset (BTW, has Gen. 3.0 PCIe lanes = 1GB/s per lane), which should be accompanied by a new I/O Controller Hub (ICH).

This is a separate chip that actually contains the SATA, USB, and Ethernet controllers, and is connected to the chipset (likely named as the ICH11 series). As SATA 3.0 is already gaining momentum, particularly due to SSD's (6.0Gb/s mechanical has surfaced, but can't even saturate 3.0Gb/s), it should be included (I'd be shocked if it wasn't). :D

Given Intel has a vested interest LP and Intel's mention of USB 3.0 support won't show until 2012 (gives LP a chance to take off), the USB controller will likely still be 2.0 (though as you indicate, doesn't matter to you).

Light Peak may be provided at that point as well, as inclusion could be the difference of whether or not Intel includes it on the new ICH or if a separate chip is needed (I suspect the latter is far more likely, and means Apple may or may not choose to add it to their systems).

[reel2reel]

would it be smart to wait for next years mac pro


Oh no...IT'S STARTING AGAIN...

Already. :eek:

[malch]

Thank you for this info.
So it seems that SATA 3 is likely with the next SB release (USB 3 and Lightpeak not so likely), and it also seems that the new SB chipset architecture will give it all sorts of other advantages as well.
You lost me with the references to PCIe "lanes" (sounds like I'll be needing my GPS), but the gist of it, it seems to me—again to refer back to the question that started this thread—is that the SB release might in fact be more than just a bit of a speed bump. It might, in fact, really be worth waiting for (if you can wait, etc., etc.).
Regards, malch

[CaoCao]

considering that the Mac Pro update wont be earlier than Q4 2011 Light Peak has a good chance to be in

[davelanger]

Yes. But if your main reason is gaming, you should switch to PC and build a rig based on the games you like.

It's only causal gaming like Wow, and other MMOs, i wont play games like COD or Crysis. I was looking into building a pc rig but changed my mind.

[ovrlrd]

It's only causal gaming like Wow, and other MMOs, i wont play games like COD or Crysis. I was looking into building a pc rig but changed my mind.

You sure that an iMac isn't a better investment for you? Unless you are doing some heavy work and need the expansion slots for hard drives and stuff the extra money might not be worth it?

[davelanger]

You sure that an iMac isn't a better investment for you? Unless you are doing some heavy work and need the expansion slots for hard drives and stuff the extra money might not be worth it?

I want to be able to upgrade the graphics card (now) and in the future.
Plus there are too many issues with the imacs, id rather pay a little more then deal with all those issues with the yellowing, dust behind the glass, not being able to upgrade. I dont like the all in one.

[ovrlrd]

I want to be able to upgrade the graphics card (now) and in the future.
Plus there are too many issues with the imacs, id rather pay a little more then deal with all those issues with the yellowing, dust behind the glass, not being able to upgrade. I dont like the all in one.

Well, I agree with the graphics card thing, it was one of the motivators for me. I actually sold my GTX 285 recently for almost the entire value I bought it for. I am going to buy the 5870 when it is made available, and take a minimal loss on the whole thing. The upgrade isn't a huge boost, but considering I can probably turn around and do the same thing next year, although probably at a bigger loss (the 5870 is already 9-months old tech), it's worth it. Plus I need MDP for my upcoming 27" LED display purchase.

As for the screen issues, those have been resolved for sometime now with the iMac, I know people with them and they have no issues, and people haven't been complaining about it so I am sure Apple has tightened their quality control. As I said I am going to buy a 27" Apple LED display so I am not worried about it at all.

To me the biggest selling point of the Mac Pro is the expansion slots. I love having four hard drive slots and two optical bays. I have lots of storage and can easily upgrade to more. I hate dealing with external drives, and like you said the whole "all in one" thing is just not for me.

You should consider the current Mac Pro though unless you absolutely need SATA 3.0, the performance difference for games will be incredibly slim with Sandbridge. Games rely heavily on GPU performance, not I/O or CPU. Plus nobody knows if it will be out next year anyway. If you have the money now, and it's something you need, I don't see the reason to wait personally.

[THX1139]

Wait if you can because Westmere as it's implemented in the current Mac Pro is at the end of the line. If you buy Westmere now, you won't be able to upgrade your processors to SB later. The pin count is going to change. Of course you could sell and buy new... but don't plan on swapping out the processors.

A lot of new technologies are coming out as well, but who really believes that Apple will adopt them?

[sboerup]

sata 3.0 alone will make waiting worthwhile.

Why? Unless he's running drives that each require 300+mbps then it makes NO sense to wait for SATA3. Most current 7200rpm drives will never reach the bandwidth bottleneck of SATA2, heck, not even the fastest SSDs have yet (close).

[NickCG]

Well if I want it more for gaming than anything else, wouldnt faster be better?

If it's a work/gaming Hybrid, then sure. I needed a new Apple for work, and a new PC for gaming. Instead of getting two machines, I just threw all my cash into the Mac Pro.
The current mac pro is pretty darn awesome, By far the best yet for gaming. Because they added some great graphic cards for a change, rather than those 120's from the last model - which were only good for hooking up extra displays. :P

If you get a current Mac Pro, and gaming is in mind, upgrade to he 5870. It's a wicked gaming card.

And in a few years when the 5870 is bottle-necking my gaming, I'll just buy a PC gaming card, which will boot fine in windows. To clarify, a few years down the line, it's the graphics card which will bottle neck your fps in games before your CPU / RAM, providing you have 8-12GB or RAM or more.


Also, you'll get better fps, and smoother gaming bootcamping into Windows 7. After all, that is the native OS the games were coded for. I get 30% better fps in windows than I do in OS X on the misses '10 iMac, for example. Better graphic drivers are one of the main reasons.

[Deepshade]

At this rate you're not going to get your current MacPro delivery UNTIL next year!

[glassbathroom]

I'm waiting for the computer company that will come after Apple.

[GlynJones]

Another option is to get a used 1,1 off ebay and beef it up with extra memory and a better graphics card. This would tide you over for a couple of years.

This is what I did. Was underwhelmed by the latest refresh so bought a used 1,1 added another 4 gig of memory again from ebay to 8 gig and just waiting out to see more proof of the 5770 & 5870 in the 1,1. Total cost approx half the price of a new machine and will still hold its value when I pass it on in a couple of years time.

[tomscott1988]

Another option is to get a used 1,1 off ebay and beef it up with extra memory and a better graphics card. This would tide you over for a couple of years.

This is what I did. Was underwhelmed by the latest refresh so bought a used 1,1 added another 4 gig of memory again from ebay to 8 gig and just waiting out to see more proof of the 5770 & 5870 in the 1,1. Total cost approx half the price of a new machine and will still hold its value when I pass it on in a couple of years time.

I think this is the wrong choice, especially with all the rumors of the 2006 being dropped in 10.7 if you want a second hand mac pro go with the 2008, best value of the pros so far! 2 years old, mine is only slightly slower than the 6 core. Also supports all of the new graphics cards, with 8 cores of 2.8 goodness! otherwise i would say get yourself a nice refurb 2009! there isnt really a significant difference unless you look at the 12 core. You could get a nice 2.6 quad core thatl keep you going until you the next ones come out, and youl save abit of money! also get a 3 year warranty!

I wouldn't be looking to upgrade my 2008 for a another 2 years at least. But even if i was looking to upgrade i dont think i would, i just dont think there is a sweet spot, they are (compared to previous gen mac pros) not very good value for money! The 6 core is a sweet spot, but not at its price range! 3k! obserd! with the and 2008 going for £1799 i would loose 2 cores. i wouldn't want to downgrade to a quad core for more money either the 2.8 quad being £1999 £200 more than my 2008 and it isnt faster. tech is suppost to get better and generally price stays the same... not at the moment.

[davelanger]

Thanks to everyone that actually gave useful answers.

[sash]

would it be smart to wait for next years mac pro with all the upgrades.

But then comes an issue of the following upgrade, which will be even better, and the next one etc.

On the other hand, look at this latest upgrade: not that spectacular. Who gives you any certainty that this next upgrade will be a supergreat one?

I was one of these waiting for the updated MP 2010, bought it, and to be honest, I probably had to buy one much earlier.

But, as already said, if you really think you don't need a new machine right now, why even bother? — wait...

sash

[chaosbunny]

If you really want to wait, you'll gonna wait a long time. I doubt the next Mac Pro will be seen before early 2012. For now, the current Mac Pro provides relatively good value for money, given it has just been updated. One year from now it will again be lagging seriously behind even consumer desktop pcs - and I believe Apple once again will leave it at that stage for several months.

[iRobertM]

Thanks to everyone that actually gave useful answers.

Don't get mad a folks for making light of the question. These "Should I do X" threads are just a sign that you can't make a decision for yourself. Evaluate your current situation, do some research on the next release and see if that is worth waiting for, then make your choice. Its that simple.

[Transporteur]

Most current 7200rpm drives will never reach the bandwidth bottleneck of SATA2, heck, not even the fastest SSDs have yet (close).

Mechanical drives certainly don't reach the 270MB/s maximum throughput of SATA2, SSDs however do!

All Sandforce devices can saturate this value, the C300 already requires SATA3 with its maximum throughput of 330MB/s.

SATA2 is already too slow for SSDs and will become a bottleneck of todays systems pretty soon, so there is definitely a requirement for a faster controller and this is where I personally see the problem with SATA3.
It has a potential transfer rate of 580MB/s. The first SATA3 SSD already reaches 330MB/s, others will definitely saturate the SATA3 bus pretty soon.

I don't see SATA3 lasting for long with the current SSD development.

[CaoCao]

Mechanical drives certainly don't reach the 270MB/s maximum throughput of SATA2, SSDs however do!

All Sandforce devices can saturate this value, the C300 already requires SATA3 with its maximum throughput of 330MB/s.

SATA2 is already too slow for SSDs and will become a bottleneck of todays systems pretty soon, so there is definitely a requirement for a faster controller and this is where I personally see the problem with SATA3.
It has a potential transfer rate of 580MB/s. The first SATA3 SSD already reaches 330MB/s, others will definitely saturate the SATA3 bus pretty soon.

I don't see SATA3 lasting for long with the current SSD development.

I guess Light Peak with 10Gb/s will be need, I presume that 1.25 Gigabytes per second can't be saturated easily in the next couple of years, and those SSDs will be truly a wonder to behold in both performance and price

[davelanger]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I decided to buy it now, instead of waiting a year or more. The more I read about the whole sandy bridge in pros it seemed like it would not be until Q4 2011 or Q1 2012 and that is not worth the wait esp since I am still on 10.4.11. I went with the quadcore with 8 gigs of ram and the 5870 card.

It looks like I should have it by the 17th. Hopefully they will build it and ship it out faster.

[Chaosg5]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I decided to buy it now, instead of waiting a year or more. The more I read about the whole sandy bridge in pros it seemed like it would not be until Q4 2011 or Q1 2012 and that is not worth the wait esp since I am still on 10.4.11. I went with the quadcore with 8 gigs of ram and the 5870 card.

Then you will have the same as I do and personally having only had iMacs before I must say It's an amazing machine :)

When talking about games I run WoW with everything on max going between 25fps (in places like Dalaran) to normally holding at my set limit 60fps most of the time. Processor wise there's nothing to it, WoW uses 5% ish of the processor normally, pushing to 30% when encoding ingame recordings according to iStat Pro.

In fact I've not yet played a game that gives the processor much to do. (I doubt any of the released mac games really can)

[MuzickLover13]

When do new MBP typically come out for apple?

Like iphones are in January, iPods are in September...etc...

[ovrlrd]

When do new MBP typically come out for apple?

Like iphones are in January, iPods are in September...etc...

This might be helpful to you: MacRumors Buyer's Guide (http://www.macrumors.com/buyersguide/)

[MuzickLover13]

This might be helpful to you: MacRumors Buyer's Guide (http://www.macrumors.com/buyersguide/)

That's pretty awesome!!!!!!

[chrono1081]

Congrats OP! You will love it I'm sure. I adore mine and still can't believe how amazing it is. My Maya renders are sooooo fast.

[englishman]

I went with the quadcore with 8 gigs of ram and the 5870 card.

Great for gaming. Hope the 5870 is not too noisy for you. Bang for buck I disagree with many of the folks here and think the base quad is the best value for many of us.

[newmacuser23]

I was debating over USB 3.0 as well but fortunately Apple made my decision easy when they announced they were killing off the 30 inch cinema display which I wanted so I decided to forego usb 3.0 and ordered my mac pro and cinema display instead.

[mds]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wont We be able to add USB 3 via a PCI card?

[davelanger]

Great for gaming. Hope the 5870 is not too noisy for you. Bang for buck I disagree with many of the folks here and think the base quad is the best value for many of us.

My current ppc pro is pretty loud, so I am sure it wont bother me.
I upgraded the graphics card a few years ago, and it always sounds like a plane is taking off sometimes.

Do you game in osx or windows

Btw
For the custom pros, it says ships in 3-5 days, do most ship out in 3?