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iNeko
Sep 1, 2010, 01:27 PM
I think this will be perfect for me, I usually keep all my movies on my Macbook Pro/external drives and sync them to the iPad when I want to watch them!

This will be fantastic as I'll be able to stream straight from the Macbook Pro/iPad to the TV and watch in HD rather than on a little screen. Super impressed with this, but I can see why owners of the original are a bit 'fobbed off' by it! It also means that I can move the :apple:TV about easily too :)

I want the Apple Store to come back up so I can preorder this badboy! :D



iNeko
Sep 1, 2010, 01:31 PM
Make that "was" excited. UK price is 99?! What on Earth?!

petvas
Sep 1, 2010, 01:34 PM
Here in Germany it costs 119

I understand that most people won't have a problem with its display resolution. Apple TV supports up to 720p...

I want 1080p. That is a big showstopper for me...:(

iNeko
Sep 1, 2010, 01:47 PM
I caved and preordered one, it's what I want and what I've wanted for a while (my Mini didn't cut it as a HTPC, not what I wanted) so although it's twice the price I was expecting I'll still get one. It's just lost a bit of pizzazz to me :(

Apple, you scumbags, gouging us for the VAT increases already...

I only have a 720p TV, so as I said, it's perfect for me, it's just the price was a bit of a shock!

Richie2000
Sep 1, 2010, 01:52 PM
Same here. I think the Apple TV sounds great and will be ordering one, but disappointed with the UK price..... As always:mad:

hitekalex
Sep 1, 2010, 01:54 PM
Add me to the list.. Love the new form-factor.. shedding of the useless analog/component connectors.. shedding of useless hard drive.. NetFlix.. and $99 price point to boot!

Placing the pre-order for 3 today.

Holty123
Sep 1, 2010, 03:41 PM
The main reason i bought ATV was to get rid of my dvd's to the attic and have all my films in one instant place, i have ATV Flash with a 2TB external hard drive hooked up to it and over 500 films it works a charm i have a five year and a two year old child and they love it no more swapping dvd's and best of all the kids films are on the atv's internal hard drive and the non children's are on the external drive.
This is a step backward for Apple at least open up the micro usb slot on the new ATV and let us plug in an external hard drive
tut tut Apple its back to a hobby device again, and for those reasons i'm out!

rickvanr
Sep 1, 2010, 04:25 PM
Silly question, but how does ATV work? Can I stream any video? .avi's downloaded from the internet? Or is it only videos purchased on iTunes?

I can play anything, its a purchase, if it's only Apple downloaded media, I'm out.

tommylotto
Sep 1, 2010, 04:30 PM
The main reason i bought ATV was to get rid of my dvd's to the attic and have all my films in one instant place, i have ATV Flash with a 2TB external hard drive hooked up to it and over 500 films it works a charm i have a five year and a two year old child and they love it no more swapping dvd's and best of all the kids films are on the atv's internal hard drive and the non children's are on the external drive.
This is a step backward for Apple at least open up the micro usb slot on the new ATV and let us plug in an external hard drive
tut tut Apple its back to a hobby device again, and for those reasons i'm out!

Plug that 2TB drive into your computer, instead of your hacked ATV, and stream. Problem solved.

mastershakess
Sep 1, 2010, 04:53 PM
Plug that 2TB drive into your computer, instead of your hacked ATV, and stream. Problem solved.

Or plug your computer into your TV and have everything!

topmounter
Sep 1, 2010, 04:57 PM
For $99, how can you go wrong? Cooler, smaller and cheaper. I put my pre-order in this afternoon.

MCRunning
Sep 1, 2010, 05:08 PM
Silly question, but how does ATV work? Can I stream any video? .avi's downloaded from the internet? Or is it only videos purchased on iTunes?

I can play anything, its a purchase, if it's only Apple downloaded media, I'm out.

No, you can only stream .mov, .m4v, and .mp4. If you download .avis from the internet, you will have to use a program to convert them to .mov, .m4v, .mp4 - I would highly recommend Handbrake (http://handbrake.fr/).

NoisyDude
Sep 1, 2010, 05:13 PM
I agree that all the new features in the new :apple:TV are great, starting by the reduced price. The folks in the UK will have to agree that 100+-20 is significantly less than the price for the existing model. Besides, giving us the option to stream content from Netflix or from other iOS devices is pretty cool. Above all, consuming only 6W is just AMAZING!

However, there are two things that are a BIG miss:

Lack of a hard drive or option to connect an external hard drive
Lack of 1080p


Here are the reasons.

One of the BIG advantages of having a hard drive is to have content such as movies, music and pictures local on the :apple:TV and not depend on having a computer in the house on and available to stream that content. This is actually going back to version 1 of the :apple:TV!!!! This is a step backwards!!! Although Steve said that people do not want to connect their computers to their TVs, this is exactly what Apple is forcing us to do with this new model!!! Otherwise, where am I going to store my multi-gigabyte music and video collection? On MobileMe? Well, that will cost money for sure. More money than having us pay an extra $100 (in whatever currency) for a good-sized hard drive. With this new model, we'll have to make sure a computer in the house, with iTunes 10 is up and running (forget about patching/rebooting in the middle of that).

Within this same vein, although it seems there are users that have problems syncing their :apple:TV with a computer, this is the one feature that has been the biggest selling point at home! We currently download the pictures from our camera into iPhoto (we use Macs at home) and automagically, the latest 10 "events" (photo sessions) are synced to the :apple:TV. No need to keep the computer running for this!! We can put it in sleep mode while we enjoy the slideshows on our TV. This feature is gone. You'll have to keep that computer on now.

As I said, a BIG step BACKWARDS.

As to the 1080p, as Steve said, the HD revolution is over!!!! The great majority of the TV sets being sold today are in 1080p. While the quality difference between 720p and 1080p is not too noticeable (I know there will be people that disagree with me on this... just my personal opinion), there is a difference and playing content at 1080p would take FULL advantage of the home theater equipment available today in the market. At the very least, give us the option: $2.99 for SD content, $3.99 for HD720 content and $4.99 for HD1080 content. Don't dumb down the hardware!

Besides, it does not seem the new device will play more content than :apple:TV-specific MPEG4. There are many users that have ripped DVDs or even MPEG2 content that is not natively supported. This is will have to be confirmed once the device actually comes out, but I would be surprised if Apple did officially enable playback of anything else besides their currently licensed content formats.

I currently own an :apple:TV and this upgrade is not appealing to me. I lose more than I gain. I think this may be a good option for new :apple:TV customers, but not for older ones.

Instead of buying the new :apple:TV, I may consider hacking it with ATV Flash or Boxee to get the new features. I may not get Netflix, but I am not a Netflix subscriber. On the other hand, I should benefit from streaming content from many other sites as well as playing all the content I have on my network.

Anyway, those are my 2 cents.

colinmack
Sep 1, 2010, 05:15 PM
I think this will be perfect for me

Well, if you're excited by the new Apple TV, then you'll really like the old one - which is way less crippled ;-)

jaykk
Sep 1, 2010, 05:18 PM
i think a hacked atv will be the cheapest a4 device running iOS, so there are some possibilities for extending its capability like the original atv. If USB is somehow hacked, we can hook up a external USB storage.

hitekalex
Sep 1, 2010, 05:22 PM
One of the BIG advantages of having a hard drive is to have content such as movies, music and pictures local on the :apple:TV and not depend on having a computer in the house on and available to stream that content. This is actually going back to version 1 of the :apple:TV!!!! This is a step backwards!!!

It's really not.. What happens if you have over 1TB of content, which is many people these days? That 40GB or 120GB hard drive in AppleTV is useless, as it only lets me sync a small fraction of my content. So I still need a NAS backend to get access to all of my movies.

Also, what happens if you have 2 or more AppleTV's in different rooms? You have to sync all that content to multiple ATV's, each with its local disk.

No thanks. I like the idea of a disk-less ATV, which gets all of its content from a single central iTunes server. These hard drivers in the ATVs just waste space and generate heat. Lack of local disks is what contributes to the $99 pricetag and that great small-formfactor box with no moving parts.

I actually view the lack of local disks in the new ATV as an advantage, rather than a disadvantage.

redscull
Sep 1, 2010, 05:49 PM
playing content at 1080p would take FULL advantage of the home theater equipment available today in the marketThe problem with 1080p is that it can't be [realistically] streamed, and this device is based entirely around streaming.

I myself am in the camp of being pissed that Apple refuses to add Blu-Ray to their computers because I appreciate all the glory that is "Full HD 1080p," but I understand and accept that it's pointless on something like this. I pay for the best internet connection my cable provider offers (~25Mb/s download, which is pretty good by American standards), and that's about half what would be needed to stream Blu-Ray quality videos. Even iTune's 720p "HD" videos look worse than physical DVDs because they have to cut the bitrate down so much to make it practical for streaming. Without increasing the bitrate, streamed 1080p wouldn't be any better than streamed 720p.

NoisyDude
Sep 1, 2010, 05:52 PM
...So I still need a NAS backend to get access to all of my movies....
a disk-less ATV, which gets all of its content from a single central iTunes server...

This implies that you will need to hack the new :apple:TV anyway. The :apple:TV system, at least from what is available in today's model and what was shown in the announcement today, does not have a means to stream content from a NAS. You could do this if you have a dedicated computer (Mac or Windows running iTunes 10), though, but that brings the total cost higher. With today's technology, for $100 you can install a 2Tb hard drive on the device. Easily.

Here's another way of looking at this. With the new device you will need to have another computer running iTunes (6W for :apple:TV + 200+W for the other computer) and/or have good Internet access to stream content from the net. Obviously, the former (the in-house computer) is the way to go to continue to have access to your own, purchased content.

If you have a local hard drive, internal or plugged into the USB, you are much more autonomous. The total wattage would surely go up, but even with an external USB drive that would be under 20W!!! This is for the :apple:TV and the drive!

So, having a local drive (internal or USB) would allow us to be more autonomous and use up less energy. Having a single, central iTunes server is more costly and forces us to make sure that this server is up and running all the time in order to watch the content we want.

Sorry, but I still see this as a miss.

jason2811
Sep 1, 2010, 05:53 PM
This product was basically made for ME:

- Netflix is my primary source of TV/movie entertainment (except for shows such as Entourage and TrueBlood that I stream off of MegaVideo once per week)
- I NEVER buy DVDs. I usually watch a movie once and that is it. I have about 25 DVDs that I've never re-watched. I also don't trip DVDs or download movies from iTunes.
- I use Blockbuster occasionally. But since it is going out of business it is nice to be able to turn on ATV and pick a movie that was just released on DVD and watch it instantly.

The product is for people like me who like to consume one-time, rather than own.

GermanSuplex
Sep 1, 2010, 05:56 PM
Well, if you're excited by the new Apple TV, then you'll really like the old one - which is way less crippled ;-)

For some it will be crippled, for others it will be a lower price for features never used.

hitekalex
Sep 1, 2010, 06:11 PM
This implies that you will need to hack the new :apple:TV anyway. The :apple:TV system, at least from what is available in today's model and what was shown in the announcement today, does not have a means to stream content from a NAS. You could do this if you have a dedicated computer (Mac or Windows running iTunes 10), though, but that brings the total cost higher.

My NAS (which is a RAID-5 array) is attached to Mac Mini running iTunes. I use my Mini for a lot of purposes other than just streaming to ATV. It draws almost zero power when it's asleep, and very little power when it's streaming to ATV.

With today's technology, for $100 you can install a 2Tb hard drive on the device. Easily.

And if I have 3 ATVs in different rooms? Do I now need to buy 3x 2TB drives, and somehow copy the content to all of them? How do I manage backups? You are now talking about highly cumbersome, costly, and power-inefficient setup. Centralized iTunes server and diskless ATV clients is a superior solution.

Sean Dempsey
Sep 1, 2010, 06:19 PM
I agree that all the new features in the new :apple:TV are great, starting by the reduced price. The folks in the UK will have to agree that 100+-20 is significantly less than the price for the existing model. Besides, giving us the option to stream content from Netflix or from other iOS devices is pretty cool. Above all, consuming only 6W is just AMAZING!

However, there are two things that are a BIG miss:



Lack of a hard drive or option to connect an external hard drive
Lack of 1080p


Here are the reasons.

One of the BIG advantages of having a hard drive is to have content such as movies, music and pictures local on the :apple:TV and not depend on having a computer in the house on and available to stream that content. This is actually going back to version 1 of the :apple:TV!!!! This is a step backwards!!! Although Steve said that people do not want to connect their computers to their TVs, this is exactly what Apple is forcing us to do with this new model!!! Otherwise, where am I going to store my multi-gigabyte music and video collection? On MobileMe? Well, that will cost money for sure. More money than having us pay an extra $100 (in whatever currency) for a good-sized hard drive. With this new model, we'll have to make sure a computer in the house, with iTunes 10 is up and running (forget about patching/rebooting in the middle of that).

Within this same vein, although it seems there are users that have problems syncing their :apple:TV with a computer, this is the one feature that has been the biggest selling point at home! We currently download the pictures from our camera into iPhoto (we use Macs at home) and automagically, the latest 10 "events" (photo sessions) are synced to the :apple:TV. No need to keep the computer running for this!! We can put it in sleep mode while we enjoy the slideshows on our TV. This feature is gone. You'll have to keep that computer on now.

As I said, a BIG step BACKWARDS.

As to the 1080p, as Steve said, the HD revolution is over!!!! The great majority of the TV sets being sold today are in 1080p. While the quality difference between 720p and 1080p is not too noticeable (I know there will be people that disagree with me on this... just my personal opinion), there is a difference and playing content at 1080p would take FULL advantage of the home theater equipment available today in the market. At the very least, give us the option: $2.99 for SD content, $3.99 for HD720 content and $4.99 for HD1080 content. Don't dumb down the hardware!

Besides, it does not seem the new device will play more content than :apple:TV-specific MPEG4. There are many users that have ripped DVDs or even MPEG2 content that is not natively supported. This is will have to be confirmed once the device actually comes out, but I would be surprised if Apple did officially enable playback of anything else besides their currently licensed content formats.

I currently own an :apple:TV and this upgrade is not appealing to me. I lose more than I gain. I think this may be a good option for new :apple:TV customers, but not for older ones.

Instead of buying the new :apple:TV, I may consider hacking it with ATV Flash or Boxee to get the new features. I may not get Netflix, but I am not a Netflix subscriber. On the other hand, I should benefit from streaming content from many other sites as well as playing all the content I have on my network.

Anyway, those are my 2 cents.

Research viewing distances and learn about the 1080p home theater myth.

*hint* it doesn't matter. namean?

lilo777
Sep 1, 2010, 06:21 PM
This product was basically made for ME:

- Netflix is my primary source of TV/movie entertainment (except for shows such as Entourage and TrueBlood that I stream off of MegaVideo once per week)
- I NEVER buy DVDs. I usually watch a movie once and that is it. I have about 25 DVDs that I've never re-watched. I also don't trip DVDs or download movies from iTunes.
- I use Blockbuster occasionally. But since it is going out of business it is nice to be able to turn on ATV and pick a movie that was just released on DVD and watch it instantly.

The product is for people like me who like to consume one-time, rather than own.

But why do you need ATV for that? Can't your TV, DVD player, game console stream Netflix? Most of them can do it (and then some more).

Research viewing distances and learn about the 1080p home theater myth.

*hint* it doesn't matter. namean?

It does not matter only if your screen size is smaller than 30". Otherwise it does matter (unless you sit ridiculously far):
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

walkum13
Sep 1, 2010, 06:29 PM
For those of you who are complaining about the lack of HD if you go to the product page you'll see it has a USB under the HDMI port. So I'm guessing you could hook it up and it *could* play off an HD. But it still can't do .mkv- I wish PLEX made a box.

I hope the Atv can connect to an HD. My plan is to hook up my external to my base express so I can drop drop from my comp and *hopefully* the Atv will be able to stream from that. If I can connect my HD to the Atv and still be able to drag drop then I'll be even happier

lilo777
Sep 1, 2010, 06:32 PM
For those of you who are complaining about the lack of HD if you go to the product page you'll see it has a USB under the HDMI port. So I'm guessing you could hook it up and it *could* play off an HD. But it still can't do .mkv- I wish PLEX made a box.

I hope the Atv can connect to an HD. My plan is to hook up my external to my base express so I can drop drop from my comp and *hopefully* the Atv will be able to stream from that. If I can connect my HD to the Atv and still be able to drag drop then I'll be even happier

It's not a real USB port. It can only be used for service purposes.

mdgolom
Sep 1, 2010, 06:36 PM
I jumped on board and ordered mine. I figured I would give it a try since it's only $99.00.:o

harcosparky
Sep 1, 2010, 06:37 PM
It's not a real USB port. It can only be used for service purposes.

That's what they said about the USB port on the first Apple TV - but from what I recall the hackers found uses for it.



I'll probably by the new one, I mean it's only $99 USD.

But my old Apple TV isn't going anywhere!

NoisyDude
Sep 1, 2010, 06:47 PM
My plan is to hook up my external to my base express so I can drop drop from my comp...

Ok, now THAT is a great idea. :cool: If Apple makes the Airport Express and/or Airport Extreme an iTunes Server, then we could hook up an external hard drive and stream the content that way. This I would prefer over having a computer to get the full benefit of having an :apple:TV.

The idea of "we took the hard drive out, but now you'll have to have a computer available and turned on to play all the music/videos/pictures you own" just does not make sense to me at all.

This idea of an external hard drive hooked to an airport base makes sense and it would be a great idea. Besides, since Apple will start shipping the new :apple:TV in about a month, they may still refresh the wifi devices to enable this.

Sean Dempsey
Sep 1, 2010, 06:52 PM
But why do you need ATV for that? Can't your TV, DVD player, game console stream Netflix? Most of them can do it (and then some more).



It does not matter only if your screen size is smaller than 30". Otherwise it does matter (unless you sit ridiculously far):
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

so at 12 feet away, you're saying you have a 90 inch TV playing 1080p?

Riiiiiiiiight.

Who the hell sets within MAYBE 10 feet? The full benefits from 1080p are only visible at 10 feet on an 80 inch TV, which doesn't even exist.

jason2811
Sep 1, 2010, 06:57 PM
But why do you need ATV for that? Can't your TV, DVD player, game console stream Netflix? Most of them can do it (and then some more).

I don't have a game console and I never play video games. I just got a free TV from a friend and I haven't had cable in two years. DVD player plays DVDs but I never buy DVDs and Blockbuster is going out of business so my DVD use will cut own dramatically. So being able to do digital downloads of new releases will be great.

lilo777
Sep 1, 2010, 07:02 PM
so at 12 feet away, you're saying you have a 90 inch TV playing 1080p?

Riiiiiiiiight.

Who the hell sets within MAYBE 10 feet? The full benefits from 1080p are only visible at 10 feet on an 80 inch TV, which doesn't even exist.

According to this chart, at 12 feet the advantages of 1080p start being noticeable for 65" screens. 12 feet is actually a very big distance. The reason people had to sit that far from TV in a first place was because of poor picture quality. With better TVs you can sit closer and you'll benefit from it. You can check this viewing distance table (http://www.besthdtvscreen.com/guides/hdtv-screen-size-viewing-distance).

I don't have a game console and I never play video games. I just got a free TV from a friend and I haven't had cable in two years. DVD player plays DVDs but I never buy DVDs and Blockbuster is going out of business so my DVD use will cut own dramatically. So being able to do digital downloads of new releases will be great.

Sorry pal but I can't understand if you are fooling me or yourself. One can get an impression that your budget might be tight at the moment. In this situation buying Apple products and renting TV shows from iTunes is probably not a very wise decision in general. You could just buy HDTV antenna ($40 for a reasonably good one), hook it up to your TV and enjoy TV shows for free (including Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS) and in better quality than the ones from iTunes.

vastoholic
Sep 1, 2010, 07:07 PM
That's what they said about the USB port on the first Apple TV - but from what I recall the hackers found uses for it.



I'll probably by the new one, I mean it's only $99 USD.

But my old Apple TV isn't going anywhere!

+1. I'll be doing the same. Eventually I'll get around to getting the new one, but I'm keeping the old one as well. It will be my travel mate to plug into hotel TV's.

8CoreWhore
Sep 1, 2010, 07:21 PM
$99 I ordered one right away. There are sooo many possibilities!

8CoreWhore
Sep 1, 2010, 07:24 PM
Here in Germany it costs 119

I understand that most people won't have a problem with its display resolution. Apple TV supports up to 720p...

I want 1080p. That is a big showstopper for me...:(

If lack of 1080P is a show stopper for you than you don't bother with any HDTV as NONE of it is 1080P. It's 720P. The only thing that handles 1080P is a bluray player. Come on, enjoy it, it looks great! :)

lilo777
Sep 1, 2010, 07:26 PM
It might be some kind of mistake but Engadget (and other sites) reported that Amazon already offers the same shows (i.e. from Fox and ABC) for the same price ($0.99) but on Amazon it's a price to buy (not to rent like with ATV).

jason2811
Sep 1, 2010, 07:58 PM
Sorry pal but I can't understand if you are fooling me or yourself. One can get an impression that your budget might be tight at the moment. In this situation buying Apple products and renting TV shows from iTunes is probably not a very wise decision in general. You could just buy HDTV antenna ($40 for a reasonably good one), hook it up to your TV and enjoy TV shows for free (including Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS) and in better quality than the ones from iTunes.

I should have clarified that I don't plan on renting TV shows but rather newly-released movies most of the time. I essentially want this to be a replacement for me having to go to Blockbuster. It will also be nice to watch Netflix on a big screen.

iNeko
Sep 1, 2010, 08:37 PM
Wow, I certainly wasn't expecting this response :o

I've had my heart set on an AppleTV for a while, but I wanted something simpler that I could just beam movies to rather than the painstaking effort of moving them from wherever they're stored to the PS3 (like I do now). However, a lot of my TV shows and movies are either protected digital copies (from imported BD/DVD/DC combo sets) or bought from iTunes and my PS3 won't play those (or the imported discs). Now I know I could just pop in the DVD or BD and have it done with, but being disabled means that sometimes I can't just get up and put in a disc.

Also, I do wonder if Apple have some sort of ulterior motive with this, especially AirPlay and 'near 720p' resolutions of apps (read: games) on the iPhone4/iPod touch/iPad... Using the AppleTV as a bridge for games and iPods/iPhones/iPads/etc can be used as controllers.

I also see that the AppleTV has bluetooth (from the FCC application posted on EngadgetHD), which really strengthens this thought...

SteveAbootman
Sep 1, 2010, 08:38 PM
I'm surprised by some of the negative reactions in this thread. I understand the need to want to control or own your media, but this device is not intended for the user who has 10,000 DVD's all ripped with very specific encoding settings and stored on a fire/water/hurricane/tornado/volcano proof external drive.

It's for the casual user who doesn't do all that, who just turns on a TV, and wants to watch movies and tv shows. No file management, no worrying about where the download is stored.

I remember a while back Steve saying something to the effect of how he believes that the Mac (iMac, MBP, etc) is going to be the hub of a users digital lifestyle. With the introduction of the iDevices, and now the new ATV, this is becoming even more true. The computer in the office is now the hub, iTunes the delivery and file management system, and your iPad and TV as the outputs.

Amazing device, can't wait to pick one up and start enjoying my movie downloads on the best available screen.

trip1ex
Sep 1, 2010, 09:01 PM
CAn't wait. This is my buy-in point. Tested an ATV before. REturned it.

Price was kind of high for what it did. Now it still streams media from computer as before plus Netflix and some progress on lower priced iTunes content. And has slick interface. All for $99.

Seems like a no-brainer.

SEems much better than the $99 ipod dock, av cable and remote tax Apple tried to levy on iPod owners. And this replaces that and more.

ugp
Sep 1, 2010, 09:44 PM
I ordered mine. If I like it I will get a second for my bedroom and then maybe a 3rd for my kids room.

ctakim
Sep 1, 2010, 10:21 PM
I'm surprised by some of the negative reactions in this thread. I understand the need to want to control or own your media, but this device is not intended for the user who has 10,000 DVD's all ripped with very specific encoding settings and stored on a fire/water/hurricane/tornado/volcano proof external drive.

It's for the casual user who doesn't do all that, who just turns on a TV, and wants to watch movies and tv shows. No file management, no worrying about where the download is.

...

Amazing device, can't wait to pick one up and start enjoying my movie downloads on the best available screen.

+1! I think you get it!

ctakim
Sep 1, 2010, 10:23 PM
For me this is the way to get Netflix into the family room. I have a non internet BD player and my MacMini HTPC is in the basement home theater.