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sammyman
Sep 1, 2010, 01:29 PM
Would it be possible to hook up an Apple TV to my NAS which has both my itunes collection, AND a folder with all of my movies. I don't have all my movies in iTunes, unfortunately.

I couldn't figure out if you could only play movies purchased through iTunes, or if there could be some way to play more movies as well on networked drives like my NAS.



teksurv
Sep 1, 2010, 01:34 PM
I'd like to know as well. all of my movies are in ISO format on my NAS. If the new Apple TV can play those, I'm in.

Imsuperjp
Sep 1, 2010, 01:42 PM
I'd like to know the same however i doubt it will play ISO files since they have to be mounted.

WesCole
Sep 1, 2010, 02:57 PM
I am very interested in this as well. If this can play my .avi, .mkv, .mp4, etc. files perfectly (and without having to import into iTunes) then Apple just sold at least two of them to me.

Wes

bucksaddle
Sep 1, 2010, 03:02 PM
I am very interested in this as well. If this can play my .avi, .mkv, .mp4, etc. files perfectly (and without having to import into iTunes) then Apple just sold at least two of them to me.

Wes

If you read the tech specs it says m4v, mp4 & mov formats.
Whether it can read those formats directly from a NAS drive (without iTunes running) - now that's what i'm interested in.

dissolve
Sep 1, 2010, 03:43 PM
If you read the tech specs it says m4v, mp4 & mov formats.
Whether it can read those formats directly from a NAS drive (without iTunes running) - now that's what i'm interested in.

Same. I've read it can't be done with the previous versions. The tech specs make it seem that nothing has changed in the new one, unfortunately. Hopefully some of the early buyers will let us know.

bucksaddle
Sep 1, 2010, 03:49 PM
Same. I've read it can't be done with the previous versions. The tech specs make it seem that nothing has changed in the new one, unfortunately. Hopefully some of the early buyers will let us know.

Sorry - my bad interpretation. I was suggesting whether it can read m4v, mp4 & mov formats directly from a NAS drive without iTunes running.
I suspect the answer is no to everything.

dissolve
Sep 1, 2010, 03:52 PM
Sorry - my bad interpretation. I was suggesting whether it can read m4v, mp4 & mov formats directly from a NAS drive without iTunes running.
I suspect the answer is no to everything.

That's what I meant too ;)

But I agree with you...I'm almost certain this new hardware won't do it either. I'll probably be looking at some of WD's offerings instead. Oh well.

ftaok
Sep 1, 2010, 04:02 PM
I wonder if the new aTV will stream from an AirDisk volume connected to a AEBS or TimeCapsule. I hope so as my iBook G3 can't use iTunes10.

I'd rather not tie up a usable computer just to stream to an aTV.

DoFoT9
Sep 1, 2010, 04:03 PM
If you read the tech specs it says m4v, mp4 & mov formats.
Whether it can read those formats directly from a NAS drive (without iTunes running) - now that's what i'm interested in.

now for the answer!

no - you cannot plug your NAS straight in. as with all previous revisions of the :apple:TV you will have to copy (or link) your mpeg4 movies into iTunes then the :apple:TV can read from there over the network.

exchguy
Sep 1, 2010, 04:08 PM
The no direct NAS support is a dealbreaker for me. I'll be sticking with WDTV which allows direct NAS media server support without Itunes running.

Who wants to have a MAC/PC on all of the time with Itunes running just to back end the AppleTV when you already have a NAS? Just ends up sucking more power up with fan's running cooling off the motherboard, and spinning disks etc.

ftaok
Sep 1, 2010, 04:12 PM
now for the answer!

no - you cannot plug your NAS straight in. as with all previous revisions of the :apple:TV you will have to copy (or link) your mpeg4 movies into iTunes then the :apple:TV can read from there over the network.

Not saying you're wrong, but why can't they set it up so that an iTunes library that's located on a NAS work directly without iTunes running? Just because that's how it is now, doesn't mean they haven't improved it. After all, there is no local storage on this guy now.

Of course, Apple probably wants folks to rent/stream directly from the internet rather than from a networked computer.

Tom Sawyer
Sep 1, 2010, 04:20 PM
The no direct NAS support is a dealbreaker for me. I'll be sticking with WDTV which allows direct NAS media server support without Itunes running.

Who wants to have a MAC/PC on all of the time with Itunes running just to back end the AppleTV when you already have a NAS? Just ends up sucking more power up with fan's running cooling off the motherboard, and spinning disks etc.

Any idea of your WDTV can handle direct m2ts streams and pass through HD audio? I've been using a Popcornhour C-200 for a while, but it has it's issues and I am about to give up on waiting for an update to give me HD audio passthrough.

TIA!

DoFoT9
Sep 1, 2010, 04:24 PM
Not saying you're wrong, but why can't they set it up so that an iTunes library that's located on a NAS work directly without iTunes running? Just because that's how it is now, doesn't mean they haven't improved it. After all, there is no local storage on this guy now.

Of course, Apple probably wants folks to rent/stream directly from the internet rather than from a networked computer.

the appleTV will search for computers that have iTunes turned on (and shared libraries turned on), if its not turned on, then it wont come up.

this doesnt mean to say, of course, that one cant purchase a NAS that is iTunes library compatible out of the box - that would work :)

MagnusVonMagnum
Sep 1, 2010, 04:42 PM
Apple wants to gear this thing towards one thing...iTunes rentals! Here's what is going to happen in the next year. Apple is still working on their deal with the music industry to offer unlimited music tiers. At that point, the new Apple TV will be set up to just surf the music you want to hear and play it. They've already moved towards TV show rentals. Jobs clearly sees the future as a big cloud pay service whereas Apple regularly empties your wallet each month for the rest of your life. They are less keen on letting you buy something once and pay it forever without paying for it again and again and again forever so the new device is moving away from that model (never was much towards it to begin with seeing as the old model doesn't support NAS without hacking either).

My new NetGear network supports UnPnP from a simple external Hard Disc. In other words, it becomes an NAS if you plug in a hard drive to it. That would be pretty sweet to run instead of leaving my Mac running 24/7.

The thing is that Steve wants iTunes running all the time since it's spying into your world and secretly telling Apple everything you do in iTunes which they will use for future ad targeting in 10.7 "Stealthy Kitty". The menu bar will be replaced with a new "Ad Bar" that sends targeted iAds to your Mac 24/7. If you do not click on at least one ad a week, your OS is wiped with a message that says "Bad Kitty!" :D :D :D

gcmexico
Sep 1, 2010, 04:54 PM
I'd like to know as well. all of my movies are in ISO format on my NAS. If the new Apple TV can play those, I'm in.
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no way apple lets you connect anything to the device...any media will have to come from itunes, if you connect your itunes to your NAS, then appletv will play it

wildcardd
Sep 1, 2010, 05:26 PM
Who wants to have a MAC/PC on all of the time with Itunes running just to back end the AppleTV when you already have a NAS? Just ends up sucking more power up with fan's running cooling off the motherboard, and spinning disks etc.

You must own a PC and not a mac. Macs will happily sleep for days if not months sipping very little electricity. No fans running, no spinning disks, etc unless needed.

important
Sep 1, 2010, 05:27 PM
If you want to stream media from your NAS to ATV, here's what you need:

1. Get the current ATV unit (not the one launching in 4 weeks)
2. Hack it with a patchstick to get XBMC and Boxee on it
3. I prefer to run XBMC - which connected seamlessly to my ReadyNAS NV+ and streams my stored videos via my wireless home network

You cannot run media on your NAS through ATV, unless that media is formatted for and connected to your iTunes.

WiiDSmoker
Sep 1, 2010, 05:29 PM
Any idea of your WDTV can handle direct m2ts streams and pass through HD audio? I've been using a Popcornhour C-200 for a while, but it has it's issues and I am about to give up on waiting for an update to give me HD audio passthrough.

TIA!

Yes it can and does it flawlessly.

duckmanjbr
Sep 1, 2010, 05:56 PM
If you want to stream media from your NAS to ATV, here's what you need:

1. Get the current ATV unit (not the one launching in 4 weeks)
2. Hack it with a patchstick to get XBMC and Boxee on it
3. I prefer to run XBMC - which connected seamlessly to my ReadyNAS NV+ and streams my stored videos via my wireless home network

You cannot run media on your NAS through ATV, unless that media is formatted for and connected to your iTunes.

Correction, If you want the best NAS functionality buy a Mac-mini w/ the HDMI out. Then run Boxee or XBMC so that it starts automatically every time you boot. This will give you FULL NAS capability, HDMI quality and allow 1080i playback. A hacked "older" ATV has a really hard time playing back your really high quality movies (Blu-ray rips, etc) because of its slow processor. I was holding out w/ my old hacked ATV and unix NAS until this new ATV was released but after seeing the specs today I'm def. going the mini route! I just can't take watching IronMan in HD anymore and have the movie slow down during all the explosions or big action scenes..

teksurv
Sep 1, 2010, 06:27 PM
Yeah I currently have a 2009 mini running Plex which I love. I suppose in my case I was looking at this as a cheaper alternative, which it is not.

Tom Sawyer
Sep 1, 2010, 08:18 PM
Yes it can and does it flawlessly.

Awesome, going to pick one up from Best Buy! Appreciate the info!

page3
Sep 2, 2010, 06:23 AM
Correction, If you want the best NAS functionality buy a Mac-mini w/ the HDMI out. Then run Boxee or XBMC so that it starts automatically every time you boot. This will give you FULL NAS capability, HDMI quality and allow 1080i playback. A hacked "older" ATV has a really hard time playing back your really high quality movies (Blu-ray rips, etc) because of its slow processor. I was holding out w/ my old hacked ATV and unix NAS until this new ATV was released but after seeing the specs today I'm def. going the mini route! I just can't take watching IronMan in HD anymore and have the movie slow down during all the explosions or big action scenes..
Remove wireless card from AppleTV. Replace with CrystalHD graphics card. Full HD support, no slowdown. Sorted. Rather cheaper than spending 600+ on a new MacMini*.

* What we really need a a proper new 400 macMini to bridge the gap between the cheap and cheerful new AppleTV and the 'too expensive for just media' new MacMini.

shakerstevens
Sep 2, 2010, 09:04 AM
The no direct NAS support is a dealbreaker for me. I'll be sticking with WDTV which allows direct NAS media server support without Itunes running.

Who wants to have a MAC/PC on all of the time with Itunes running just to back end the AppleTV when you already have a NAS? Just ends up sucking more power up with fan's running cooling off the motherboard, and spinning disks etc.

I totally agree with the above comments.

I'd be very dissapointed if they don't allow this. I wouldn't mind too much if they limited it to the Apple TimeCapsule (Apple NAS drive) as I could see them launching a firmware update for the drive that allows this. I'd be happy with that as I have a TimeCapsule but I know that doesn't help everyone. So I'm very surprised there is no info yet about it supporting a TimeCapsule, will be very dissapointed if its not supported otherwise its not very good customer recognition of brand loyalty.

For me, I'm not even that bothered about iTunes as I tend to store that on my MacBook, but all our photos are stored on the TimeCapsule and I'd like to run them through a slideshow on my projector using the new AppleTV plugged into the projector and getting my photos off the TimeCapsule upstairs over WiFi

DoFoT9
Sep 3, 2010, 03:00 AM
I totally agree with the above comments.

I'd be very dissapointed if they don't allow this. I wouldn't mind too much if they limited it to the Apple TimeCapsule (Apple NAS drive) as I could see them launching a firmware update for the drive that allows this. I'd be happy with that as I have a TimeCapsule but I know that doesn't help everyone. So I'm very surprised there is no info yet about it supporting a TimeCapsule, will be very dissapointed if its not supported otherwise its not very good customer recognition of brand loyalty.

For me, I'm not even that bothered about iTunes as I tend to store that on my MacBook, but all our photos are stored on the TimeCapsule and I'd like to run them through a slideshow on my projector using the new AppleTV plugged into the projector and getting my photos off the TimeCapsule upstairs over WiFi

like i said earlier, unless your NAS supports sharing iTunes libraries natively, you wont be able to look at the movies stored on the NAS.

MagnusVonMagnum
Sep 3, 2010, 03:28 AM
Correction, If you want the best NAS functionality buy a Mac-mini w/ the HDMI out.

That's not a correction. It's an OPINION. Perhaps you could learn the difference? In any case, a Mac-Mini is a pretty darn expensive "NAS". It's more like a media PC. The problem is Apple doesn't have any way to rent the vast majority of movies from a Mac-Mini or you could use it in lieu of an Apple TV (well you still can minus iTunes rentals).

like i said earlier, unless your NAS supports sharing iTunes libraries natively, you wont be able to look at the movies stored on the NAS.

Sorry, but that won't help either because of the security code check. Since there is no way to enter it from the NAS, there is no way to pair an AppleTV to an NAS iTunes server.

In any case, NAS units are just small (usually headless) PCs that tend to often run Unix or Linux. One's only concern for leaving a PC on should be its overall power draw. Compare what an NAS uses to what a small PC would use with its monitor turned off. I'm thinking a low-powered PC Netbook (some are under $250, which is comparable to an NAS unit) might be ideal for operating as an iTunes server. They're designed to use as little power as possible (most don't even have fans). Set it up with iTunes, plug in a big hard drive and set the monitor to turn off after a short interval. Instant low-power iTunes server. Heck, I'm tempted to test the idea out with my hacked Dell netbook running OSX just to see how well it can serve movies.

DoFoT9
Sep 3, 2010, 03:31 AM
Sorry, but that won't help either because of the security code check. Since there is no way to enter it from the NAS, there is no way to pair an AppleTV to an NAS iTunes server.
oh! damn :( well that really sucks the!

In any case, NAS units are just small (usually headless) PCs that tend to often run Unix or Linux. One's only concern for leaving a PC on should be its overall power draw. Compare what an NAS uses to what a small PC would use with its monitor turned off. I'm thinking a low-powered PC Netbook (some are under $250, which is comparable to an NAS unit) might be ideal for operating as an iTunes server. They're designed to use as little power as possible (most don't even have fans). Set it up with iTunes, plug in a big hard drive and set the monitor to turn off after a short interval. Instant low-power iTunes server. Heck, I'm tempted to test the idea out with my hacked Dell netbook running OSX just to see how well it can serve movies.
its called an Atom CPU+mobo combination, 10W :) perfect for any NAS!

Hmm
Sep 3, 2010, 09:18 AM
It would be nice if they could at least make iTunes run as a service like the Squeezebox does so we don't actually have to be logged in with iTunes open on the machine.

DoFoT9
Sep 3, 2010, 09:20 AM
It would be nice if they could at least make iTunes run as a service like the Squeezebox does so we don't actually have to be logged in with iTunes open on the machine.

that would be a wonderful feature!

any of these (http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/whssoftware/thread/03c0c944-7d81-417d-a668-06f15d5fcd9a) help (http://hintsforums.macworld.com/showthread.php?t=23564)?

MagnusVonMagnum
Sep 3, 2010, 11:47 AM
It would be nice if they could at least make iTunes run as a service like the Squeezebox does so we don't actually have to be logged in with iTunes open on the machine.

Some of the Apple engineers are MORE than aware of this problem. I saw one talk about NAS for the original Apple TV and he said he'd like to see it, but then implied that they have to tow the company policy, which is to be unfriendly to 3rd party equipment so you have to buy Apple brand equipment. If they could keep 3rd party mice from working and get away with it, I sometimes wonder if they'd do it. Apple (and Steve) doesn't CARE what YOU want. It's all about maximizing profits, not making life easier and they have a HUGE vested interest in trying to monopolize online media sales. You WOULD think they would at least make a server that functions like an NAS for the system for their own Time Capsule product line, but perhaps they're afraid that would lead someone to finding a way to do with any NAS. It is more likely that they simply DON'T CARE because it's considered a "hobby" product whereas someone like Sonus CARES VERY MUCH how their product is perceived. It's a shame too because Apple's GUI interface kills all the other products I've seen thus far. Other than the file format limitations and the 1080p thing (currently not THAT big a deal for me since my projector is still 720p and I already did the painful conversion of everything to M4V so other than new rips, it's fine), my Apple TV setup is just stellar for accessing all my media from my home theater.

I'm not thrilled about the prospect of viewing photos on the new Apple TV, though. If I view photos from XBMC on it, it takes a few seconds to load large images from my PowerMac server, whereas I SYNC (store locally) my photos on my current Apple TV which means they come up almost instantly even for large files. I think something like a 8GB or 16GB SSD drive would have been ideal. I have yet to hear how much space it DOES have on its boot drive, though. I just hope it's enough to handle a hack/XMBC type setup since I have the feeling this setup could be made to handle 1080p without too much effort (unlike the original ATV) since even an iPhone4 can handle 1080p files (try playing an Apple HD trailer on it; it works).

crackermac
Oct 13, 2010, 07:02 PM
So, has anyone tried this yet? Any success stories? I have a Lacie Big5 NAS and I was hoping the Apple TV could mount the iTunes library that is stored on there. When I load up iTunes, it loads my local library, but then the library on my NAS also shows up as a shared library. I'm hoping since it shows up as a shared library on my computer, it would show up on a new Apple TV. I've been slowly converting all of my DVDs over to m4vs in anticipation.

MagnusVonMagnum
Oct 15, 2010, 03:56 PM
So, has anyone tried this yet? Any success stories? I have a Lacie Big5 NAS and I was hoping the Apple TV could mount the iTunes library that is stored on there. When I load up iTunes, it loads my local library, but then the library on my NAS also shows up as a shared library. I'm hoping since it shows up as a shared library on my computer, it would show up on a new Apple TV. I've been slowly converting all of my DVDs over to m4vs in anticipation.

Not a chance. The only NAS devices that could possibly work would have to be using either Windows or OSX as the OS and you'd have to be able to set up iTunes on them and register the AppleTV device at least as a streamed library. I think there is one out there that uses Windows, but it's not cheap. A more simple way would be to buy a dirt cheap Netbook (i.e. $200) and then plug a large external drive into it with your library on it and then have the machine set to run 24/7 with the monitor disabled after a timeout and you'd essentially have a Windows based iTunes/NAS device. After all, an NAS device is simply a small networked computer (usually running Linux) anyway. There's nothing magical about them. Some newer routers even feature a full set of UPnP type controls for a USB attached external drive and basically let it function as an NAS. Mine has this function, but it would be useless for Apple TV unless iTunes were running on another computer anyway (you could store the library on it, but iTunes has to be running to sync or even stream an iTunes library).

Like I said in a post above, Apple engineers know all about these limitations, but Steve doesn't want real UPnP support because that would mean less control (i.e. he wants you running iTunes only so you're more likely to buy all your crap from Apple) and that is the ONLY reason AppleTV cannot access NAS devices directly. Like everything else, Steve will decide what you can and cannot use when it comes to his devices. For example, he says, "Thou shalt not covet Blu-Ray" and you either obey or leave the church of Steve because this false deity wants you to buy movies on iTunes, not via Sony devices, even if he cannot offer very many titles to sell. Better to delay, avoid and lie than admit someone else does something better than Apple.

Cliff3
Oct 15, 2010, 04:22 PM
that would be a wonderful feature!

any of these (http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/whssoftware/thread/03c0c944-7d81-417d-a668-06f15d5fcd9a) help (http://hintsforums.macworld.com/showthread.php?t=23564)?

iTunes won't run as a service on WHS, but you can run it in a disconnected console session. That's what I've been doing for the past year on my WHS machine (HP EX490 with 7TB HD and an Intel E6300 CPU).

DoFoT9
Oct 15, 2010, 07:52 PM
iTunes won't run as a service on WHS, but you can run it in a disconnected console session. That's what I've been doing for the past year on my WHS machine (HP EX490 with 7TB HD and an Intel E6300 CPU).

interesting to know - i was not aware of that. i wonder why not :(

CLuv
Oct 15, 2010, 08:25 PM
I have an TV connected to an HP MediaSmart Server EX490 to stream my media from iTunes to my TV in the living room. You can run iTunes as a service, I have not done that yet, but I have iTunes running on the server.

You can install iTunes 10.x the same way as the instructions are listed for iTunes 9. I've installed both versions without issue. The link below provides steps on how to make iTunes work on an WHS.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/09/11/help-key-install-itunes-9-on-windows-home-server/

On my WHS I have the add-in Advanced Admin Console installed so I can create a launch button for iTunes.exe. You can open iTunes, but you will get an error saying there is an error with your audio/video configuration since it's a headless device. Just click OK and iTunes will open. I then quit my RDC session within Mac OS X and I'm all set to stream to my TV with no issues.

I like this setup better then using HP's built in iTunes server. Reason being their built in iTunes server will only stream music and movies you've ripped. If any music has DRM, no streaming. If you have movies/tv shows from iTunes, no streaming. iTunes eliminates that issue by being installed on your WHS. Another benefit is the Home Sharing feature, if I buy something on my Mac, my wife's Mac, or my iPhone once it's in my library it's synced to the WHS. I don't have to depend on HP's flaky media collector.

Runs great and I plan to use it to connect my TV v2 that I plan to put in the bedroom. Especially after seeing this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76JYgsgQObw&eurl=http://www.9to5mac.com/frontpage&feature=player_embedded

Hope that helps. If you get an HP EX490, I recommend upgrading your processor. The Celeron in there is poo poo magoo. I upgraded mine to an Intel Pentium E6600. Nothing like some dual core action running at 3.06Ghz.
Pretty easy to do:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2009/09/16/a-closer-look-at-the-ex490-and-ex495-hardware/

Cheaper to buy an EX490 and upgrade the processor than buying an EX495. Plus you can get a better processor then stock.

Cliff3
Oct 16, 2010, 05:00 AM
You can run iTunes as a service, I have not done that yet

I have used the resource kit to package iTunes into a service. The service starts, but the AppleTV can't connect to it. Since running it as a service doesn not result in a client window being created, there is no way to configure it to connect to the Apple TV. iTunes has to be run as an application on WHS.

I like this setup better then using HP's built in iTunes server. Reason being their built in iTunes server will only stream music and movies you've ripped.

Firefly only streams music. No video.

--
FWIW, I began a thread over on mediasmartserver.net last month talking about a way to manage the WHS/Apple TV environment: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=9119

SonicStomp
Oct 16, 2010, 06:50 AM
You must own a PC and not a mac. Macs will happily sleep for days if not months sipping very little electricity. No fans running, no spinning disks, etc unless needed.

The Mac will also wake from sleep in response to apple tv as well!

CLuv
Oct 16, 2010, 07:39 AM
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Cliff3, before installing iTunes with the media collector you can have it scan for videos and I had no issues streaming movies I had ripped with handbrake. Granted my AppleTV is hacked. No need to use the hack now that I have iTunes on my WHS.

I can't find the thread or site right now, but there are some running it as a service without issue.

I'm not worried or have a need to run it as a service since my WHS is up 24/7. I'm happy with the way it is since it works without a hitch.

jcschlic
Oct 16, 2010, 08:15 AM
The no direct NAS support is a dealbreaker for me. I'll be sticking with WDTV which allows direct NAS media server support without Itunes running.

Who wants to have a MAC/PC on all of the time with Itunes running just to back end the AppleTV when you already have a NAS? Just ends up sucking more power up with fan's running cooling off the motherboard, and spinning disks etc.

I tried out the WDTV Live Plus for a while and found the negatives to outweigh the positives. I returned it. I am an original Apple TV adopter, waiting to get the new one. Nothing beats (in my opinion) the interface and overall slickness of the Apple TV. I have tried out a lot of media players too. I have also tried out a lot of recently-produced blu-ray players, which suck for things like streaming content, especially local content.

The best way to incorporate NAS storage with Apple TV is to add that content to your iTunes library, then stream to Apple TV. It has worked incredibly well for me (and my wife) for the since the original Apple TV was released.

MagnusVonMagnum
Oct 16, 2010, 03:12 PM
The best way to incorporate NAS storage with Apple TV is to add that content to your iTunes library, then stream to Apple TV. It has worked incredibly well for me (and my wife) for the since the original Apple TV was released.

But that defeats the entire point of an NAS. You might as well just use an external hard drive and save a lot of money. The whole point of an NAS is you can shut off your computers and let it serve the data out, saving electricity and wear (and freeing them up to do other things) on your main computer.

The HP "NAS" units work because they are running Windows (and offer monitor and keyboard support to configure; basically it's just a limited PC) and therefore it can run in the background just like an other Mac or PC running iTunes. Like I said above, you could build an "NAS" using a small PC or even a Mac (Mac Mini would work great, if you don't mind throwing $700 at it when you could get a Netbook for under $250 plus a hard drive). A netbook might not be fast enough to serve multiple ATV units at the same time, though. I haven't tried it, although I could since I have one downstairs. I'd just need to set up an external hard drive (I have one stored off-site already set up as an off-site backup; I should have tried it out when I had it here the other day to update it).

Cliff3
Oct 16, 2010, 05:28 PM
The HP "NAS" units work because they are running Windows (and offer monitor and keyboard support to configure; basically it's just a limited PC) and therefore it can run in the background just like an other Mac or PC running iTunes.

They are actually headless PCs, so no keyboard or monitor support comes with the box. You manage it remotely via RDP. The CPU needs to be low enough TDP to be able to be passively cooled as there isn't room for a full size CPU cooler in the chassis nor is there any provision on the mobo to power a fan.

The thing that really sets the HP servers apart from a Mac Mini are the four internal drive bays. And they're quite a bit less expensive.

MagnusVonMagnum
Oct 17, 2010, 05:14 PM
They are actually headless PCs, so no keyboard or monitor support comes with the box. You manage it remotely via RDP. The CPU needs to be low enough TDP to be able to be passively cooled as there isn't room for a full size CPU cooler in the chassis nor is there any provision on the mobo to power a fan.

The thing that really sets the HP servers apart from a Mac Mini are the four internal drive bays. And they're quite a bit less expensive.

I guess that isn't the model I was thinking of, then. I remember seeing one advertised that had very basic GPU capabilities to set it up.