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itouch rulz
Sep 1, 2010, 06:19 PM
I think I've found a massive flaw in the new appleTV (for me).

I use my appleTV primarily for a music source in my lounge room (I use it for movies, TV, podcasts, youtube and photos a bit too, but primarily music). All my music is on my imac and is synced to my appleTV. Now I could stream, that's probably ok but a couple of years ago I decided to ditch surround sound and go back to stereo. I'd had 5 years+ playing with surround and (for me) I found it gimmicky, hard to set up right, only truly suits purpose built rooms and is bad for music. I sold my surround gear on ebay and now have a marantz stereo amp and a pair of B&W speakers (plus (a b pair) of ceiling mounted SpeakerCraft speakers in an outdoor area). It works great with my appleTV; HDMI to my plasma TV and RCA stereo out to the amp (there is no optical input on stereo amp because you don't need all that dolby processing rubbish with a stereo amp). I can control the music sitting out the back using my iphone or ipad, sounds great and it's really simple to use.

The new appleTV has no RCA audio output or even a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Big fail in my book - I'm probably in the minority these days but looks like I'll be keeping my old faithful appleTV for a while yet.



Keebler
Sep 1, 2010, 06:26 PM
I think I've found a massive flaw in the new appleTV (for me).

I use my appleTV primarily for a music source in my lounge room (I use it for movies, TV, podcasts, youtube and photos a bit too, but primarily music). All my music is on my imac and is synced to my appleTV. Now I could stream, that's probably ok but a couple of years ago I decided to ditch surround sound and go back to stereo. I'd had 5 years+ playing with surround and (for me) I found it gimmicky, hard to set up right, only truly suits purpose built rooms and is bad for music. I sold my surround gear on ebay and now have a marantz stereo amp and a pair of B&W speakers (plus (a b pair) of ceiling mounted SpeakerCraft speakers in an outdoor area). It works great with my appleTV; HDMI to my plasma TV and RCA stereo out to the amp (there is no optical input on stereo amp because you don't need all that dolby processing rubbish with a stereo amp). I can control the music sitting out the back using my iphone or ipad, sounds great and it's really simple to use.

The new appleTV has no RCA audio output or even a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Big fail in my book - I'm probably in the minority these days but looks like I'll be keeping my old faithful appleTV for a while yet.

I'm thinking maybe they wanted to seperate the ATV from the Airport Express which will do exactly what you want. Maybe they had to make that decision of pairing down the new ATV so it would be smaller and to distinguish itself.

Icaras
Sep 1, 2010, 06:32 PM
Big fail in my book - I'm probably in the minority these days but looks like I'll be keeping my old faithful appleTV for a while yet.

You said it. You are in the minority. Everything is going digital and the industry has been moving forward.

Nothing is stopping you from getting stereo signals via HDMI, only your gear. And if you sold your gear, well....not sure what to say.

jaw04005
Sep 1, 2010, 06:34 PM
1. Most HDTVs have an analog output jack (or at least a headphone jack) somewhere. Locate it and use that instead and you’ll also get more accurate video/sound sync since your receiver doesn’t use HDMI.

2. Most receivers sold in the last 7+ years or so include an optical S/PDIF port. My Panny receiver from 1999 even has one optical input.

Between point 1, point 2 and the fact that most people are probably just going to use the built-in TV speakers, Apple has the vast majority of possibly configurations covered. Of course, there will always be those that want composite video too.

itouch rulz
Sep 1, 2010, 06:46 PM
Thanks Jaw:

1. routing the sound through my panny panel and back to the amp using 3.5mm jack doesn't sound like it would encourage fidelity but I guess it is possible. Also it relies on the panny panel's audio conversion hardware which (if the on-board speakers are anything to go by) isn't a big focus for panasonic.

2. I don't have a receiver, it's a stereo amp - about 20 months old. In fact even the current Marantz stereo amps don't have optical inputs (it's really not necessary for stereo).

Keebler - yeah, kind of weird about the airport express - they could have easily included a 3.5mm audio jack on the new appleTV like the express and that would have solved it.

Icaras
Sep 1, 2010, 06:51 PM
Keebler - yeah, kind of weird about the airport express - they could have easily included a 3.5mm audio jack on the new appleTV like the express and that would have solved it.

A 3.5mm to optical adapter solves it too. They sell for like a couple of dollars on Amazon.

Edit: Oops, if you're looking for a 3.5mm to stereo RCA out, then that might be a bit more complicated.

mrburney
Sep 1, 2010, 07:11 PM
Not to be too dickish, but if you were really concerned with audio fidelity you wouldn't a) be listening to .mp3's or .aac's, and 2) streaming said lossy files over 802.11x.

That said, there are solutions out there:
http://www.dinodirect.com/HDMI-to-VGA-3-RCA-Audio-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-1-5M.html

Icaras
Sep 1, 2010, 07:18 PM
Not to be too dickish, but if you were really concerned with audio fidelity you wouldn't a) be listening to .mp3's or .aac's, and 2) streaming said lossy files over 802.11x.

That said, there are solutions out there:
http://www.dinodirect.com/HDMI-to-VGA-3-RCA-Audio-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-1-5M.html

1.) To be fair, i don't think he mentioned anywhere that he uses lossy mp3s/AACs.

2.) If said files are not lossy, the fact that it's being steamed OTA should not be relavant, I would think. What it ultimately boils down to at the end of the signal chain is the quality of your D/A converter on your receiver.

itouch rulz
Sep 1, 2010, 07:29 PM
mr b - I do have a (fairly decent) CD player hooked up to the amp as well so if I'm in a super fussy mood I'll use that. However, for convenience it's handy to have everything on hand juke-box style and would like to preserve what fidelity is retained in the compressed format (I actually currently sync not stream and have cabled for cat 6 ethernet to the AppleTv location (although have to have that unplugged to use the iphone as a remote for the AppleTV)).

Good suggestion about the HDMI to RCA cable, however, I need to use the HDMI output to go to the TV (as I do use the video functionality somewhat and wouldn't want to input as composite).

Basically, I'll be sticking with the old AppleTV and maybe when it's fully obsolete moving to a mini.

keviha
Sep 1, 2010, 07:45 PM
I think I've found a massive flaw in the new appleTV (for me).

I use my appleTV primarily for a music source in my lounge room (I use it for movies, TV, podcasts, youtube and photos a bit too, but primarily music). All my music is on my imac and is synced to my appleTV. Now I could stream, that's probably ok but a couple of years ago I decided to ditch surround sound and go back to stereo. I'd had 5 years+ playing with surround and (for me) I found it gimmicky, hard to set up right, only truly suits purpose built rooms and is bad for music. I sold my surround gear on ebay and now have a marantz stereo amp and a pair of B&W speakers (plus (a b pair) of ceiling mounted SpeakerCraft speakers in an outdoor area). It works great with my appleTV; HDMI to my plasma TV and RCA stereo out to the amp (there is no optical input on stereo amp because you don't need all that dolby processing rubbish with a stereo amp). I can control the music sitting out the back using my iphone or ipad, sounds great and it's really simple to use.

The new appleTV has no RCA audio output or even a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Big fail in my book - I'm probably in the minority these days but looks like I'll be keeping my old faithful appleTV for a while yet.

I use my Apple TV in a similar fashion. I have a 3 year old Yamaha receiver which I use to send analog audio thru Zone 2 output (there are few if any -that I'm aware of - that allow Zone 2 digital connections) to a selectable speaker box (or whatever it's called..ha ha) to 4 outdoor speakers covering my patio and backyard. I connect the Apple TV to my LCD with HDMI connectin for audio/video in living room (mostly audio - we play a lot of music) which in turn connects wirelessly to two different Airport Express (which need their own AV receiver or powered speakers) to cover other parts of the house.

The new Apple TV would cripple my current setup in support of music outside...unless I buy another receiver and connect an Airport Express. If they would have just retained analog audio connectors....

Oh well....the new ATV is not for me for other reasons...but I am going to buy one for my 65 year old mother. She dropped cable a year ago due to cost.....but now she misses seeing certain broadcast TV shows. She has Itunes...wireless router....so I think she'll be in the sweet spot of ATV v2 with simple interface...wants to rent shows, occasional movie....stream photos of grandkids. At least this way I get to have a little fun...but keep my setup going for how my family uses it.

I guess that's the crux of it....jumping in (or staying pat) really depends on how you use the equipment and what you're trying to accomplish.

Cheers!

Kevin

itouch rulz
Sep 1, 2010, 08:58 PM
Aha - been looking at this: http://www.apple.com/au/itunes/airplay/

a little closer, and it seems I'll be buying a new amp soon when they integrate AirPlay. Now that is cool and will alleviate my concerns with the new AppleTV.:D

8CoreWhore
Sep 2, 2010, 01:17 AM
http://www.amazon.com/TC-7510-Digital-Converter-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B003URAZSC/ref=sr_1_23?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1283408094&sr=1-23

Something like that or a preamp with optical in and analog out.

8CoreWhore
Sep 2, 2010, 01:51 AM
Not to be too dickish, but if you were really concerned with audio fidelity you wouldn't a) be listening to .mp3's or .aac's, and 2) streaming said lossy files over 802.11x.

That said, there are solutions out there:
http://www.dinodirect.com/HDMI-to-VGA-3-RCA-Audio-Video-AV-Adapter-Cable-1-5M.html

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/hdmi-to-component-cable.html

You'll lose the ability to watch protected video...

spacepower7
Sep 2, 2010, 02:22 AM
OP

You have all that nice high end gear and you actually like the old appleTV RCA output? :rolleyes:

Optical to external DA converters are your best bet.

Fantasy Guy
Sep 2, 2010, 03:20 AM
I've just realised this myself (and it makes me think I should cancel my preorder).

I currently have HDMI to my TV and the RCAs going to my hi-fi to make it a 'home cinema' but also to stream music from my Mac to my hi-fi.

But, unless I'm mistaken, with the new ATV, I won't be able to do this. How many hi-fi's have an optical input anyway?!

detoxguy
Sep 2, 2010, 03:57 AM
I would think that anyone who is bothering with apple tv and the required hdtv would have a decent home theatre stereo receiver. I'm definitely buying the new apple tv and when I'm just listening to music I will change the audio output on my receiver to 2.1 stereo. Movies will be 5.1. Super simple.

This new box is the perfect product for me. I'm sick of having to hook up my macbook pro to the tv to watch movies. I've been using an airport express to stream music to the home theatre for a while now and the apple tv will let me move that upstairs to a powered speaker setup in the bedroom...so cool.

korowa
Sep 2, 2010, 05:11 AM
Like you itouch rulz, I mainly use my ATV as a music server.. well an ALAC "Apple Lossless" music server.
The main reason I bought the ATV was for the RCA analog jacks.
I got sick of connecting the MacBook to the HiFi through the 3.5mm headphone jack.

I prefer RCA jacks over 3.5mm jacks.

Although I'm not surprised that Apple has dropped the RCA jacks.

This new device does raise a number of questions though for those serious about SQ.

I have only used the analog outlets..
I gather in relation to the HDMI outlet of the current ATV, the ATV converts ALAC "lossless" to PCM.
And, this will continue to be the case for the new ATV????
As for Airplay, will there be "Airplay-enabled" receivers that decode ALAC???

mchalebk
Sep 2, 2010, 08:29 AM
I also have concerns about the lack of analog outputs, mostly for Zone 2 support. Here's a thread I started yesterday on the topic:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1005627

Whoever mentioned that modern receivers have digital inputs misses the point that they won't output digital inputs to zone 2 (there are some high end units that do this, but they're very expensive).

It has been pointed out that there are optical to RCA adapters available, which might work fine. My only concern would be: do these add any latency? Not that it's critical for the two zones to be 100% in sync, but it can be weird when you're in a location that can hear both.

Here's a link to a MonoPrice adapter that's less than $30:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=4#feedback

The other big downside for me is that I sync all my music to my AppleTV. I don't want to have to have my computer on whenever I want to listen to music. The lack of local storage is a major negative.

Fantasy Guy
Sep 2, 2010, 01:40 PM
I would think that anyone who is bothering with apple tv and the required hdtv would have a decent home theatre stereo receiver.

Really? A 99 ATV and a 149 "HD ready" TV and you think they should have a decent home theatre receiver???

CrispyXUK
Sep 2, 2010, 05:14 PM
Buy a DAC if you're serious about Stereo/Hifi.

ovrlrd
Sep 2, 2010, 05:23 PM
Buy a DAC if you're serious about Stereo/Hifi.

Exactly, the analog outputs on the Apple TV and the AirPort Express are very poor and sound like crap honestly.

Digital Optical Output -> DAC -> AMP -> Speakers is the only way to go if you really want good quality sound.

8CoreWhore
Sep 2, 2010, 06:13 PM
If someone wants better sound - don't rely on aTV to do the D/A converting... better to let it pass through and get converted in a higher-end D/A converter like found in a decent pre-amp/amp.

BeachChair
Sep 2, 2010, 06:20 PM
If someone wants better sound - don't rely on aTV to do the D/A converting... better to let it pass through and get converted in a higher-end D/A converter like found in a decent pre-amp/amp.

Most audiophiles use a pre-DAC as well

mhdena
Sep 2, 2010, 06:52 PM
I have 2 ATVs connected to 2 Marantz SR 8*** receivers by optical.

My itunes is recorded "Lossless" and synced to the 160gb atvs.

Coming through my Von Schweikert speakers, SWEET!!!:p

I'm not changing anything as nothing needs fixing!:D

keviha
Sep 2, 2010, 07:19 PM
No one is saying the analog audio outputs are stellar sounding ....but in the case of pumping audio signals to outdoor speakers through zone 2 on today's A/V receivers such as Denon, Yamaha, etc (which again...can't accept digital inputs).......it works great and sounds good too. The point I was trying to make (as is the case of others)....is there is a loss of functionality with their removal.

Sure, it can be corrected with DAC converters, buying powered speakers or another powered amp/receiver (using Airport Express)...but it will cost you more $$....lessening the advantage of ATV 2 vs. ATV1.

pooryou
Sep 2, 2010, 07:31 PM
Buy a DAC if you're serious about Stereo/Hifi.

This is the answer. You don't want to use Apple's DACs anyway.
I wonder if USB would work as a secondary audio output?

Sure, it can be corrected with DAC converters, buying powered speakers or another powered amp/receiver (using Airport Express)...but it will cost you more $$....lessening the advantage of ATV 2 vs. ATV1.

But to be fair, the DAC (such as in a nice Denon receiver) is useful for a lot more than just with the ATV.

cwaddell2002
Sep 2, 2010, 07:54 PM
I've just realised this myself (and it makes me think I should cancel my preorder).

I currently have HDMI to my TV and the RCAs going to my hi-fi to make it a 'home cinema' but also to stream music from my Mac to my hi-fi.

But, unless I'm mistaken, with the new ATV, I won't be able to do this. How many hi-fi's have an optical input anyway?!

Well that depends... if by hifi you mean the recent generation of sorta not a boom box, but not seperates stereos from the likes of Sony and Aiwa... then very few... but frankly they don't sound so accurate to begin with (I won't tell you whether they sound good, as thats subjective)... As for AVRs (AV Recievers), anything purchased in the last 5 years should have an optical, and anything in the last 3 probably has HDMI... now that doesn't mean they all do, or that it will help the people doing zone2 to the deck and such.... Honestly, the optical jack surprised me and seems to be a gift to people who don't have AVRs with HDMI switching, so they can still run HDMI to their tv and optical to their AVR.... Quite decent of apple really....

itouch rulz
Sep 2, 2010, 08:43 PM
I'm no massive audiophile so don't want to have to bother with separate DAC conversion - I just want it to be nice and simple, ie, a (single) lead from my source (AppleTV in this case) to my amp.

Also, I note that the AppleTV on-board DAC isn't that bad. Prior to getting my 2 zone Marantz stereo amp I had a Marantz A/V receiver with tons of optical and coax digital inputs. When I had that converting sound from the AppleTV through the optical connection for music it was ****house compared to the stereo amp connected to the AppleTV through the RCAs. This is part of the reason why I ditched surround (personally I believe that surround, while nice and techie, is a gimmick that will have its day. I don't even miss watching movies with surround; often the voice and effects were out of balance from the source and unless you were sitting in the right spot you didn't get the benefit (not to mention it's ugly having all those boxes everywhere) - I guess for kids action movies it's kind of fun but unnecessary for 99% of viewing) - puts on flame suit and shades :cool:

QuarterSwede
Sep 2, 2010, 09:00 PM
I'm no massive audiophile so don't want to have to bother with separate DAC conversion - I just want it to be nice and simple, ie, a (single) lead from my source (AppleTV in this case) to my amp.

Also, I note that the AppleTV on-board DAC isn't that bad. Prior to getting my 2 zone Marantz stereo amp I had a Marantz A/V receiver with tons of optical and coax digital inputs. When I had that converting sound from the AppleTV through the optical connection for music it was ****house compared to the stereo amp connected to the AppleTV through the RCAs. This is part of the reason why I ditched surround (personally I believe that surround, while nice and techie, is a gimmick that will have its day. I don't even miss watching movies with surround; often the voice and effects were out of balance from the source and unless you were sitting in the right spot you didn't get the benefit (not to mention it's ugly having all those boxes everywhere) - I guess for kids action movies it's kind of fun but unnecessary for 99% of viewing) - puts on flame suit and shades :cool:
You shouldn't lump all types of surround sound together as they are not equal. Dolby surround is what you probably don't like. However Dolby Digital or DTS is much, much better than stereo sound if mixed properly. I'm not a huge fan of watching current movies without 5.1 honestly as you lose a lot of the cinematic experience. For music it's different unless you're listening to 5.1 DVD-Audio which absolutely can rock!

itouch rulz
Sep 2, 2010, 09:05 PM
QS - my old surround amp had both Dolby Digital and DTS.

However, my main point is that (to my ears) it was bad at outputting stereo (compared to a dedicated stereo amp).

I understand that I'm probably alone on my views on stereo v surround.

codymac
Sep 2, 2010, 10:13 PM
However, my main point is that (to my ears) it was bad at outputting stereo (compared to a dedicated stereo amp).

I understand that I'm probably alone on my views on stereo v surround.

You're not alone.
;)

QuarterSwede
Sep 2, 2010, 11:02 PM
QS - my old surround amp had both Dolby Digital and DTS.

However, my main point is that (to my ears) it was bad at outputting stereo (compared to a dedicated stereo amp).

I understand that I'm probably alone on my views on stereo v surround.
I understand where you're coming from. Stereo done well sounds great and you don't want some surround technology screwing with it via matrixes. I hear ya (I love puns ;)).

I just wanted to point out that 5.1 audio is really good. I have a Switchfoot - Nothing is Sound album that is a Dual Disc (it comes with a 5.1 mix) and it will blow your mind. I've also got a Norah Jones - Come Away With Me SACD but I can only play the stereo mix because I don't have an SACD player (no PS3 either). I really want to hear that in 5.1 again as it was fantastic in my Sound for Film class in school.

potatis
Sep 3, 2010, 02:40 AM
The DAC in the old :apple:TV was quite good I read. But they ditched it probably for saving costs/space. I'm not sure, perhaps like someone suggested you can use the TV's RCA out, otherwise an external DAC is needed, which is an additional cost. Maybe all from $100 to this $30k beast: http://www.phileweb.com/news/photo/200610/yuki_heritage_big.jpg

Hammie
Sep 3, 2010, 09:01 AM
OP

You have all that nice high end gear and you actually like the old appleTV RCA output? :rolleyes:

Optical to external DA converters are your best bet.

I was just getting ready to reply.

I don't think I would trust the internal DAC's in the Apple TV for my lossless music. Let alone and audio duties.

I currently have over 4000 ALAC music files in iTunes that I stream through my AppleTV to my HT system daily. I send them digital over HDMI to my Denon which does the decoding to analog and out to my amps and then to my B&W 800 Series speakers.

I don't know what model Marantz you have, but even a stereo box should accept optical in since most CD players have that output.

The lack of RCA's should not be a hang-up and reason to ditch the new AppleTV.

rneglia
Sep 21, 2010, 10:07 AM
I'm not sure I can afford a Marantz Zone 2 Series 8, etc. etc.

Is there anything decent I can get in the $200-$300 range?

:cool::cool::cool:

Killyp
Sep 21, 2010, 12:57 PM
I'm not sure I can afford a Marantz Zone 2 Series 8, etc. etc.

Is there anything decent I can get in the $200-$300 range?

:cool::cool::cool:

The Musical Fidelity V-DAC would fit the bill.

SCLlama
Sep 21, 2010, 02:27 PM
QS - my old surround amp had both Dolby Digital and DTS.

However, my main point is that (to my ears) it was bad at outputting stereo (compared to a dedicated stereo amp).

I understand that I'm probably alone on my views on stereo v surround.
Any half decent receiver should be able to produce true 2.0 stereo as long as you're in the proper mode. Just stay out of the gimmicky matrix modes, stick with the direct stereo, and the fact that the receiver CAN output surround should not matter. In fact, when you're talking appletv, you are much better off letting your receiver handle the conversion to analog.

itouch rulz
Sep 21, 2010, 11:31 PM
Any half decent receiver should be able to produce true 2.0 stereo as long as you're in the proper mode. Just stay out of the gimmicky matrix modes, stick with the direct stereo, and the fact that the receiver CAN output surround should not matter. In fact, when you're talking appletv, you are much better off letting your receiver handle the conversion to analog.

I actually disagree (as stated before). From my experience setting an A/V receiver to 2.0 gives a worse result for music than using a dedicated stereo amp - even where the A/V receiver is twice as expensive as the stereo amp.

Also, in my situation with 2 pairs of stereo speakers that are separately selectable, there are no A/V receivers capable of undertaking this task that are priced under AUD$4,000.

Additionally, I don't want to rout the music through my panel as sometimes I use my appleTV for music with the panel off - just using my iphone or ipad to control what is playing.

Basically, for me, they have s#@$@## the appleTV. I'll stick with the old one until it dies. (I actually have seen old ones for sale at DJs for AUD$199 and was thinking of picking up a spare).

SCLlama
Sep 22, 2010, 12:27 AM
I actually disagree (as stated before). From my experience setting an A/V receiver to 2.0 gives a worse result for music than using a dedicated stereo amp - even where the A/V receiver is twice as expensive as the stereo amp.

There are too many factors in play here. Speakers, room, taste, etc. Comparing one or two stereo and 5.1 amps is not going to lead you to a solid conclusion. Plus, a 5.1 receiver generally has far more features and i/o, so in order to get the same quality components, you will be talking easily twice as much money. That is the only drawback I see here.

And the difference there should not be greater than the difference between using Apple's stock DAC's compared to a receiver's. Maybe your previous receiver had issues?

Also, in my situation with 2 pairs of stereo speakers that are separately selectable, there are no A/V receivers capable of undertaking this task that are priced under AUD$4,000.

I've owned 4 A/V receivers in the last 7 years. Only 1 of which was more than $400. All have had this ability (unless I'm confusing what you're referring to).

Additionally, I don't want to rout the music through my panel as sometimes I use my appleTV for music with the panel off - just using my iphone or ipad to control what is playing.


AppleTV HDMI -> A/V Receiver. No Panel required.

rneglia
Sep 22, 2010, 10:27 AM
The Musical Fidelity V-DAC would fit the bill.

I have a Kenwood 104AR receiver and Sony SS-F6000 speakers.

Should I just buy one of those cheap $30 optical-to-analog converters to go with my :apple:TV?

Omne666
Sep 22, 2010, 11:07 AM
Okay...you guys are scaring me. I thought I had a good setup running the :apple:TV via HDMI to my 50" Samsung LCD, then running RCA from the TV to my sound system. Are you all saying this is like...crappy?? Cause with the new :apple:TV, I'd be doing exactly the same thing....even if my stereo was a B&O!!!

BTW....Im tone deaf and cant sing a note!!:) But does that mean my system would sound heaps better running RCA directly from the :apple:TV to my stereo??

erinh
Sep 22, 2010, 02:52 PM
audiophiles.... gotta love them.


Okay, OP, what exactly is your issue/problem here? No standard 3.5mm/RCA output? And you need this feature rather than optical/HDMI to output audio over your receiver's Zone 2? Correct?
If so, I'm sorry I can't provide an answer better than what's been given (optical->rca conversion box), but those should suit you well.

I agree that it's a shame they couldn't incorporate the 3.5mm jack (or standard analog audio out), but the fact is they didn't. Now it's on the consumer to find a work around.

I'm using my appletv solely for streaming music, but luckily I don't have the same requirements you do. I'll just be streaming into the living room setup so my wife, kid, and dogs can rock out without having to blast my imac setup in the office. :D

If you find a resolution to the problem - that doesn't require excess expenditure like the options already presented to you - please come back and update this thread as others who are in your shoes would like to know, I'm sure.

Good luck!

erinh
Sep 22, 2010, 02:54 PM
But does that mean my system would sound heaps better running RCA directly from the :apple:TV to my stereo??

depends. I'll venture to say no, given the statement about being tone deaf.
If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? ;)

mchalebk
Sep 22, 2010, 03:28 PM
Okay...you guys are scaring me. I thought I had a good setup running the :apple:TV via HDMI to my 50" Samsung LCD, then running RCA from the TV to my sound system. Are you all saying this is like...crappy?? Cause with the new :apple:TV, I'd be doing exactly the same thing....even if my stereo was a B&O!!!

BTW....Im tone deaf and cant sing a note!!:) But does that mean my system would sound heaps better running RCA directly from the :apple:TV to my stereo??

The only difference is whether or not the TV or the AppleTV has better D/A conversion. Most people would never notice the difference. If you're truly tone deaf (which is unlikely, by the way; probably less than 5% of the people who think they're tone deaf actually are), you probably will not notice the difference.

OT: Tone deafness test. Have someone play two different notes on a piano (or any other musical instrument). Can you tell which one is higher (or lower)? If you can, you're not tone deaf.

itouch rulz
Sep 22, 2010, 06:08 PM
erinh - thanks for the summary. I haven't found a solution that I am happy with at present so I'll just stay with the original appleTV. I am in Australia so we don't get netflix or TV rentals over the appleTV anyway so there is no real reason to update until deals like that are done here.

Lots of contributors have said, use an A/V receiver or buy this or that - but in the real world I already have my equipment that I'm quite happy with so I'm not just going to change it to accommodate (what I believe) is a down-graded appleTV product. Also, many of their suggestions are just plain wrong. As I've already mentioned I have a stereo amp with no optical or HDMI inputs (that's how most stereo amps are - even very new ones) and I have 2 pairs of stereo speakers; 1 pair in the living room with some B&W speakers and 1 pair of SpeakerCraft ceiling mounted speakers in an outdoor courtyard. I can push little speaker a and b buttons and have 1 pair or the other or both playing. There are very few A/V receivers that can do that unless you spend lots of $$$. For people that think I shouldn't be using compressed music over an appleTV, I do have other sources as well that go into the amp - however the jukebox style functionality of the appleTV is convenient in many situations.

What I'll probably do is buy a new amp in a year or so that has AirPlay built in (for example, I understand that there is an existing Denon amp that will work with AirPlay after a firmware update) - I will probably get a new appleTV at that time as well (as such an amp is likely to be able to switch HDMI and have optical input).

In the meantime, I'll use the old faithful appleTV and hope it doesn't melt down.

Omne666 - switching through the panel is fine for what you are doing - I would probably just do that as well, except sometimes I use the appleTV with the panel off (using iphone/ipad to control the music) eg when I have people over.

Deej
Sep 26, 2010, 02:56 AM
@itouch rulz - completely understand what you're saying, and I happen to agree that 'Surround Amps' don't process stereo in the same way as a decent stereo-only amp.

Unfortunately I don't have anything else to add other than a question that I don't think anybody else has covered: assuming you did get a different amp in the future that had HDMI inputs/outputs, couldn't you go AppleTV -> amp -> LCD and therefore have the sound coming out of the amp without the LCD being switched on?

itouch rulz
Sep 26, 2010, 11:25 PM
@itouch rulz - completely understand what you're saying, and I happen to agree that 'Surround Amps' don't process stereo in the same way as a decent stereo-only amp.

Unfortunately I don't have anything else to add other than a question that I don't think anybody else has covered: assuming you did get a different amp in the future that had HDMI inputs/outputs, couldn't you go AppleTV -> amp -> LCD and therefore have the sound coming out of the amp without the LCD being switched on?

Correct - with an amp that switched HDMI you wouldn't need the panel on as you could rout the source through the amp first.

Sean Dempsey
Sep 27, 2010, 12:14 AM
My receiver has a button called "STEREO" on it, and it plays stereo sound no matter what the input. HDMI, optical, 6channel, whatever.

Should probably get a amp with that feature.

keeper
Sep 27, 2010, 02:43 PM
For stereo mines optical into a Beresford DAC then RCA to amp.
http://www.homehifi.co.uk/main/main.html

Cheers Phil