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bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 08:40 AM
I have an old appletv, so I'm on the fence.



Bufordt
Sep 2, 2010, 08:43 AM
Yep, Ordered ours yesterday afternoon. Thing only cost 79.00 The remote is 20.00 Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

thejadedmonkey
Sep 2, 2010, 08:45 AM
I already have a 360 and netflix... no need for another box.

shanmugam
Sep 2, 2010, 08:46 AM
yes

314631
Sep 2, 2010, 08:46 AM
Yes of course. I buy anything with an Apple logo. :D

Pez555
Sep 2, 2010, 08:49 AM
Yep

OllyW
Sep 2, 2010, 08:51 AM
I've got the old Apple TV and 95% of the time it's just used for Air Tunes. I'm looking for a better video streamer but the new Apple TV doesn't impress.

Scarpad
Sep 2, 2010, 08:54 AM
I have the older version that I've replaced with with an LG 570 Blu Ray, the new ATV has not added any abilities and have lost a few. The LG Plays Blu Rays, AVCHD and Divx HD up to 1080p, all sorts of formats from a DLNA Server, Has Netflix, Vudu, Cinemanow, pandora, picasa, youtube... so no.

Steve Jobs=God
Sep 2, 2010, 08:56 AM
I got the old version, which i'll be selling to my brother in law for 100 so free :apple:TV for me! :D

guitargoddsjm
Sep 2, 2010, 08:59 AM
I was in the market for a iTunes & Netflix streamer, so I ordered one from Amazon last night.

I was considering a new Xbox 360 (especially w/ full HD output and live ESPN content), but with the higher price tag, the cost of xbox live, it requiring more steps to setup than airplay, and my lack of time for video games, the ATV seemed like a better option.

shanmugam
Sep 2, 2010, 09:06 AM
I got the old version, which i'll be selling to my brother in law for 100 so free :apple:TV for me! :D

you got a good brother in law (and good spouse who allow you do this ) :p

pjarvi
Sep 2, 2010, 09:10 AM
The new AppleTV removes features that the current model has only to offer TV Show rentals and Netflix in return. No thanks. I already have 2 devices hooked up to my TV that can stream Netflix just fine, and have zero interest in renting TV shows. The only thing whatsoever that interests me with the new AppleTV is the A4 processor, as anyone with the current model knows how slow it can be to navigate through menus or launch a movie that has iTunes Extras.

I just hope they don't block the current gen from being able to continue buying movies & tv shows. Easily 90% of the movies I have purchased over the last 4 years I purchased through my AppleTV, over 160 to date.

cantthinkofone
Sep 2, 2010, 09:21 AM
I already have a 360 and netflix... no need for another box.

Same here. I scoffed when steve said the apple tv netflix interface was the most beautiful. The xbox 360's interface looks just fine to me, and I'm sure the PS3's looks just as good.

Less horn blowing, more practical useful features. I don't care how shiny the magical broom is, if it sweeps my floor just as good as the other broom sorry.

tbayrgs
Sep 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
Nope. I have 2 of the last gen model and both do exactly what I need. In fact, just ordered another 160 GB first gen model from Apple Store clearance to eventually replace my kids :apple:TV which has their entire library of kids movies synced to the internal HDD, a necessity when one doesn't have access to ethernet or a strong wifi signal in that part of the house.

Add an App Store so that we can have access to more online content and support 1080p (so I can stream my own 1080p content) and I'll consider it.

trip1ex
Sep 2, 2010, 09:54 AM
360 netflix interface sucks. I don't like the 360 inherent way of scrolling right to left and only being able to choose the title on the left side of the screen. Doesn't seem natural to look at left side of the tv screen for your selection. Then using the bumper buttons to get through your queue or any list? Doesn't feel right. Bumpers are secondary buttons. Meanwhile triggers go super fast through the relatively short list of movie lists.

Left stick only slowly goes through movies one at a time. No right stick use? It's a strange interface.


And it's annoying how you click on the movie and then get 3 more little windows or "cover arts" with the last covered up until you scroll over towards it There's room on the screen. Just display all the dam information. Hell they could display the information of the selected movie on the bottom of the screen in the first place without having to click on the box art.

It could easily be better.

Plus no chatpad support? I got a chatpad for next to nothing with an Xbox Live card. MS makes the chatpad. A chatpad would really rock Netflix especially in combination with some basic search of movie, actor, director.



Wii's netflix is much better. Wiimote lets very very quickly go to any point in your queue. It lets you instantly point and select any of the roughly 10 movie boxes shown on the screen at any one time.

Same thing applies to forwarding through a movie. MUch nicer to drag the cursor to where you want to play the movie from or rewind it to than to hold button or stick for x number of seconds/minutes/

We'll see how ATV's is.

It's going to be hard to top the Wii Netflix interface without a wiimote.

I'm sure it will top the 360's though. And every other Netflix device.

Wii can't do HD though and needs the disc in so would like to kill it off as a netflix device. (can't stream either.)

jeznav
Sep 2, 2010, 10:23 AM
I have one major problem....NO Audio RCA port!

I have an HDTV I bought in 2003 and supports 1080i and 720p. It accepts Component. It also has a DVI port and HDCP capable and beside it is a typical L/R RCA for audio.

I have my PS3 connected to it using an HDMI to DVI cable. There is a separate audio connected using the PS3's A/V cable.

I don't have optical input.

One possibility I could do is buy an HDMI to Component+Audio cable.

My main question is, does all of iTunes movies HDCP protected?

iTiki
Sep 2, 2010, 10:25 AM
Without 1080P I will pass. I would have bought three if it had the specs I need.:(

munkees
Sep 2, 2010, 10:28 AM
really does not offer anything over my current :apple:TV's other than netflix (no longer subscriber) and HD youtube (the one feature I want). I have 3 TVs, but the speaker I use are connected via analog on each one, I do not want to spend the money on upgrading, it will cost a lot more than $99, it will cost to replace speakers, and get an amp, or an AtoD converter.

shame, I don't think :apple: listened to the current users very much.

the hole 1080p issues not a problem, 1080P is to big to stream, if you want to get the blue ray quality, though I think :apple: should of added it, the hole industry has moved that way.

richardhunt
Sep 2, 2010, 11:57 AM
I have 2 :apple:tv's at home and I just bought another one on clearance as a backup. My kid uses it for his movies and having to have a computer on all the time to stream movies to the new one does not look appealing to me. The lack of storage is a deal breaker for me.

monty77
Sep 2, 2010, 12:29 PM
For now it's a no. I have a 1st gen :apple:TV which currently does more than the new one.

Verto
Sep 2, 2010, 12:36 PM
I'm on the fence. I'm a huge Netflix fan, so that's a big reason I'd like one. I haven't used iTunes to purchase/rent TV shows or movies because of the high cost, but with the lower cost I might be tempted to rent an occasional TV show or movie.

If I rip DVDs to my Mac through Handbrake, would the movies have 5.1 surround if I streamed them through the AppleTV or would it just be stereo?

gcmexico
Sep 2, 2010, 12:41 PM
nope...mini with plex 9 running, is way better, yes more expensive...but you can do so much more with your media

Cliff3
Sep 2, 2010, 12:42 PM
No. The only intriguing feature the new device adds is Netflix streaming. If I want that, I'd be more inclined to spend a bit more for a BD player that includes this feature to replace my existing DVD player, and to continue using my two Apple TVs to stream my iTunes library.

nwcs
Sep 2, 2010, 01:13 PM
I'm going to wait. I want to know if the video quality is better with the new one -- or allows better encoding preferences -- before I upgrade. The one I have now is plenty good. New one doesn't look to offer me anything I don't already have for now.

pdyebrasil
Sep 2, 2010, 01:14 PM
YES. Ordered it right after the media event. We currently have our iMac hooked up to our tv so we can access our movies and tv shows, but we have been looking at getting an Apple TV for about 6 months. Just hadn't gotten around to it, and it was a little on the $$$ side. I already re-encode or rip everything using handbrake, so it all works in iTunes.

Why I like the new one: Well we use Netflix, but don't have a box that supports it, and I still want to be able access our library on our iMac. The $99 price tag sold me instantly. We probably won't rent very often at all, but having those two main features, streaming from a computer and Netflix, I was convinced. Plus when airplay goes live it'll be sweet to stream to it from our iPhones.

That said though, I can see how someone who already has a 1st gen Apple TV wouldn't want a new one.

Hammie
Sep 2, 2010, 01:20 PM
Nope. I'll be keeping my 160GB AppleTV.

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 01:41 PM
If I rip DVDs to my Mac through Handbrake, would the movies have 5.1 surround if I streamed them through the AppleTV or would it just be stereo?

Yes. Use Handbrake with the Appletv preset. Go to the audio and subtitles tab. Select the surround source in track 2 the use the AC3 passthru for the Audio Codec. Track 1 will still be stereo which will work on iPod touches/iPads/iPhones.

ccmartin
Sep 2, 2010, 02:07 PM
No way. I have the older atv, and there' s no way I'd give up the ability to buy and immediately watch movies. I like the tv rentals, but why on earth did they get rid of purchases? My kids likes to watch shows over and over, and I like to own some movies vs. renting. Sure, I can buy it on my computer and stream it, but then I have to wait an hour for the stupid thing to download before it's ready to view. With the old ATV it's ready right away.

Why didn't they just leave the option to purchase if you have the new atv sync'd to a computer. Would have had the best of both worlds then. Here's hoping they add that in an update.

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 02:14 PM
No way. I have the older atv, and there' s no way I'd give up the ability to buy and immediately watch movies. I like the tv rentals, but why on earth did they get rid of purchases? My kids likes to watch shows over and over, and I like to own some movies vs. renting. Sure, I can buy it on my computer and stream it, but then I have to wait an hour for the stupid thing to download before it's ready to view. With the old ATV it's ready right away.

Why didn't they just leave the option to purchase if you have the new atv sync'd to a computer. Would have had the best of both worlds then. Here's hoping they add that in an update.

I agree totally. I'll rent some, but I like to buy also. They should allow you to buy on Appletv and stream the download over to your computer or just come out with hard drive models also. They could just open up the usb port and we'd all be happy.

northy124
Sep 2, 2010, 02:26 PM
Are you buying a new Apple TV?
Not right now, steaming only is a pain in the ass imo. Although I saw a USB port so if I have an external HDD with iTunes purchases on that I can play back then I'd consider (I prefer purchase to renting).

iggypod
Sep 2, 2010, 02:30 PM
I'm on the fence. Doubt usually means don't but at $99 it sure is tempting (especially when ios 4.2 is launched).

yoda13
Sep 2, 2010, 02:31 PM
As of right now, I won't be...I love my 160 gb Apple TV, but I might in the future...now that I found out I can still buy stuff on my computer through iTunes and stream it...I am good, but there is nothing in here that screams to me to buy a new one...

Cliff3
Sep 2, 2010, 02:34 PM
Why didn't they just leave the option to purchase if you have the new atv sync'd to a computer. Would have had the best of both worlds then. Here's hoping they add that in an update.

I agree totally. I'll rent some, but I like to buy also. They should allow you to buy on Appletv and stream the download over to your computer or just come out with hard drive models also. They could just open up the usb port and we'd all be happy.

I think they just crippled the purchase option in the new Apple TV because there is nowhere to put the file(s) that were purchased. You can purchase content on your computer from iTunes 10 (and probably from an iOS 4 device as well) then stream it to a new Apple TV either via the library or AirPlay. And FWIW, giving one of the new Apple TVs write permissions on a computer or cell phone to save purchased content opens up a can of security worms that I would prefer to keep a lid on. Buy the content on the device that has the ability to store it, then stream it from there (or wherever you decided to park it).

opinioncircle
Sep 2, 2010, 02:43 PM
I voted no, because my parents will buy me one for Christmas, only and sole condition to come back for christmas time

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 02:43 PM
And FWIW, giving one of the new Apple TVs write permissions on a computer or cell phone to save purchased content opens up a can of security worms that I would prefer to keep a lid on. Buy the content on the device that has the ability to store it, then stream it from there (or wherever you decided to park it).

Old AppleTV transfers purchases made on the AppleTV over to your computer now. So I don't see how that could be a problem. The problem with buying content on another device is you have to wait for it to download entirely before you can watch it on the AppleTV. Old AppleTV can watch content moments after you purchase said content on the AppleTV.

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 02:45 PM
I voted no, because my parents will buy me one for Christmas, only and sole condition to come back for christmas time

Guess, I should've asked "Who is getting a new AppleTV?". Some people always find the loophole.

Cliff3
Sep 2, 2010, 02:49 PM
Old AppleTV transfers purchases made on the AppleTV over to your computer now. So I don't see how that could be a problem. The problem with buying content on another device is you have to wait for it to download entirely before you can watch it on the AppleTV. Old AppleTV can watch content moments after you purchase said content on the AppleTV.

Does it do it at the point of purchase, or later as part of a synchronization initiated by the user from the computer? I can't say I've ever purchased any content directly from my Apple TV - I do it from a computer.

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 02:56 PM
Does it do it at the point of purchase, or later as part of a synchronization initiated by the user from the computer? I can't say I've ever purchased any content directly from my Apple TV - I do it from a computer.

It does it as part of automatic synchronization, usually directly after watching the content. There is no way to stop it, that I know of, unless you delete the content off the AppleTV before it syncs. Once it syncs, the delete option goes away.

Cliff3
Sep 2, 2010, 03:05 PM
It does it as part of automatic synchronization, usually directly after watching the content. There is no way to stop it, that I know of, unless you delete the content off the AppleTV before it syncs. Once it syncs, the delete option goes away.

So it sounds like the data is written to local storage, then reverse-replicated back to the library to which the AppleTV has been bound with prior authentication having been granted from the computer hosting the iTunes library. The new Apple TV obviously doesn't support this old model - it doesn't have local storage - so a new process would have to be developed. Apple probably figured the costs of developing this new process exceeded the benefits, especially since there is a ready workaround: walk over to your computer and buy the content there.

CyberBob859
Sep 2, 2010, 03:06 PM
Old AppleTV transfers purchases made on the AppleTV over to your computer now. So I don't see how that could be a problem. The problem with buying content on another device is you have to wait for it to download entirely before you can watch it on the AppleTV. Old AppleTV can watch content moments after you purchase said content on the AppleTV.

This was, IMO, one of the best features of the old Apple TV. If you see something you want to purchase, you didn't have to wait a long time before viewing it.

However, I had problems in which I would get double downloads. The content would download to the Apple TV, only to find that it was also trying to download to my iMac later, before it had a chance to sync with my Apple TV. It was a bug I wish Apple would've fixed. (Maybe they can still put out a final point release.)

I really wish that Apple would come out with an "Apple TV Pro" which keeps all the purchasing and syncing features of the old Apple TV (meaning a hard drive would be needed), while adding TV show rentals, Netflix, and the newer hardware and OS. Throw in apps capability and I would gladly upgrade what I have now. I would be willing to pay $200 for a device like that.

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 03:12 PM
However, I had problems in which I would get double downloads. The content would download to the Apple TV, only to find that it was also trying to download to my iMac later, before it had a chance to sync with my Apple TV. It was a bug I wish Apple would've fixed. (Maybe they can still put out a final point release.)

I had that problem once. I just unchecked "Automatically check for available downloads" in iTunes preferences under store.

iFrankie
Sep 2, 2010, 03:22 PM
I preordered mine right after the event.

They kept the feature to be able to stream movies from a Mac. So, my Handbrake collection is available on my HDTV now.

I also have an iPad that holds 64GB of movies. Now with a swipe of the finger, I can play those movies on my HDTV.

The AppleTV itself may not allow you to purchase content, but you can definitely buy stuff on your computer or use Handbrake content with the new AppleTV.

UbuntuFu
Sep 2, 2010, 04:30 PM
Already have a Mac Mini running Plex with a beautiful interface.

Plus PS3, Xbox 360.

Heck, even both of my TV's is DNLA with wireless and can play movies (xvid, mp4, mkv) off a USB drive.

And I have no interest in paying $5 for 720p or $1 an episode to rent.

Jeremy81
Sep 2, 2010, 05:20 PM
Ordered mine from Amazon. It has a shipping estimate of the 9th.

Applepi
Sep 2, 2010, 05:35 PM
Bought mine yesterday right after the announcement. I finally got rid of cable and this will be the perfect solution for my rare television watching needs.

Mliii
Sep 2, 2010, 05:41 PM
I've got the old Apple TV and 95% of the time it's just used for Air Tunes. I'm looking for a better video streamer but the new Apple TV doesn't impress.

Agreed! I really fail to see the point of this latest "magical" device from our friends in Cupertino. I don't always want to rent. I don't always want to buy. Now, I don't have an option. How is that better?:confused:

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 05:47 PM
I'm on the fence. Doubt usually means don't but at $99 it sure is tempting (especially when ios 4.2 is launched).

At a $99 price-point, I have to believe most "maybes" will give in eventually. The extent of the AirPlay feature weighs heavy on my maybe. As well as the success/failure of the other set-top boxes. I have a bad feeling I going to end up with Jenga tower of set-top boxes.

jmor
Sep 2, 2010, 05:55 PM
I voted maybe. I will most likely get one or more though, I already have the older gen. which I would use in the main room. These would be nice additions for some of the other tvs in the other parts of the house though. The cheap price and netflix makes it a pretty easy impulse buy.

kiranmk2
Sep 2, 2010, 06:05 PM
I'll wait until its hacked and there's an ATVfiles-esque add-on that can play MKV and 1080p using the default UI from NAS drives. Then I'll buy one for every screen I have.

MonkeyET
Sep 2, 2010, 06:05 PM
I kinda like it. I do not subscribe to TV so all I use is Netflix (love the Blu-ray count) and redbox. I like the new low price for TV shows, which I would have to wait for disc to be on Netflix.

Anyone know what time frame it is for TV shows to be available in iTunes in relation to when they get released on disc? If it is early then the price is worthwhile. If its not, then why would I pay when I could add it to the Netflix cue?

bonsaidetective
Sep 2, 2010, 07:58 PM
Anyone know what time frame it is for TV shows to be available in iTunes in relation to when they get released on disc? If it is early then the price is worthwhile. If its not, then why would I pay when I could add it to the Netflix cue?

Almost all tv shows are available first thing the next morning, about 7 am. The only exception I know of is Dexter.

Dillenger
Sep 2, 2010, 09:03 PM
Yep, for $99.00 and NetFlix it's a no brainer.

theonekcrow
Sep 2, 2010, 09:48 PM
Yep, In order to save money, my wife and I are dropping our cable and getting an Apple TV. We can stream in the TV shows we like to watch and movies with Netflix. Its going to save us around $80 a month to drop cable with the apple tv model.

oclor
Sep 2, 2010, 10:14 PM
I was in class during the announcement, but ordered it the second I got home :D

I always wanted an ATV but it was too expensive, now this is perfect. Just the streaming capability is worth the price in my opinion.

Viremia
Sep 2, 2010, 10:20 PM
I've got a very powerful HTPC attached to my media room entertainment center. What I've been considering is something simple for netflix streaming, music streaming and other light duty viewing. The new ATV fits the bill fine. Small form factor and nice interface = easy decision. Ordered it yesterday.