No PC has gone before

[MacRumors]

To go where no PC has gone before.


on Apple.com (http://www.apple.com) - 3 days to go.

[macfreek57]

apple's taking us on the starship enterprise...

to a world filled with G5's!!!!!!

[DudeMan]

Afghanistan edition Mac!!!!!!!

[sparkleytone]

what do i get for winning??

:-P

[macboy]

I GOT IT UP ON MY THREAD HERE IN THIS FORUM BEFORE MAC RUMORS DID!

[Anon]

How did this get on here before the actual apple site changed??

[acidsteve]

This looks like something big, real big, something which we wont expect..and I'm too damm excited!
lol..

[arn]

server clock is off by a few minutes :)

arn

[MacSOS]

and it shall be called the iSpock logically! :-)

[amichalo]

Originally posted by Macrumors
To go where no PC has gone before.


on Apple.com (http://www.apple.com) - 3 days to go.


Apple's devices already do this - they work.

[buffsldr]

Dont know how much longer I can take this, Captain.

[macboy]

Its ok... only 3 more days...

[macdop]

I think this basically says to us that its something completely new, as in not one of the items currently in the digital hub scheme, not a MP3 player (obvious), not digital or DV camera, not CD player, and not PDA. So, what would be a great new device that:
Is going to blow us away
Is way beyond rumors
Is like a backstage pass into the future
Is going where no PC has gone before

It's time to think different from the ground up (bad pun intended)

[ormerlin]

Since the tag line says "Where no PC has gone before" is it possible Apple is speaking of something portable? Meaning is will travel places easier than any other product has?

[sparkleytone]

the headline implies that it is definitely a Mac.

[AppleJunkie]

Originally posted by ormerlin
Since the tag line says "Where no PC has gone before" is it possible Apple is speaking of something portable? Meaning is will travel places easier than any other product has?

I agree!!

[kiki]

It´s definitely a G6 with 70 GHz

[macfreek57]

that's right!

a pc has reached 1 Ghz before

a pc has had a built-in lcd before

our fantasized "upgrades" are not the big thing going down at the macworld expo this month

[macdop]

as for going where no PC has gone before, the only place on this planet I can think of that would be useful to have a computer that it haven't already been is inside the body, which I think is a little extreme, even for apple, I think it should be thought of as ether a reference to capabilities not previously available, or as some sort of Star Trek reference (holodeck anyone?) perhaps genuine working speech recognition and control?

[arn]

a word of reason... :) If that's possible during the pre-expo hype...

I don't think people should be taking these teasers literally. And I doubt they mean "PC" to mean Windows PC. They probably mean "Personal Computer"... not that it makes much difference.

arn

[MacSOS]

So, we have a little more info to work with now. They come right out and say that it will be a "PC." as compared to perhaps a PDA as many on here have speculated. That's what I get from this lasted tease. The focus of the big announcment must be centered around a new computer and not the fake iWalk we've all smiled over.

But for them to stoke the flames as greatly as they have done and will do all weekend......this had better be one h-e-double hockey sticks of a computer!! If it is going to go (read: perform) as no other PC has done before doesn't this force them to come out with some amazingly fast machine? Or would a new iMac design (even a machine not called an imac) be considered revolutionary enough to fit the bill? I can't imagine though a consumer PC (i.e iMac) be faster than a deskotp machine.

Perhaps we will see why 2002 WILL be like 1984?? :-)

Live Long and prosper!!

[sparkleytone]

screw GHz...we're talking THz here thats TERAHERTZ BABY!!!

[ennerseed]

the new waterproof apple internet device..... Hey, no downloading porn!!!

[anon]

no PC has ran OS X. .maybe it *is* OS X for PCs..

who knows..

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg!! This is too much!!! (:

[ors23]

Hmm...wouldn't it be awesome if instead of a LCD screen, the iMac had a built-in projector. Who needs a monitor when you have a wall?

[adelaney]

I think it is quite obvious at this point that the new product from Apple will be a parallel universe where Betamax survived and everyone has a Mac...and you too can live there for a mere $1299 ($1249 with the Education discount) ...also James Lipton and Thomas Kinkade are on the Most Wanted list...

...sigh.

[dricci]

Maybe they're launching some G4s and TiBooks and the left over cubes to Mars or the Moon.

"Outer Space, Powered by Mac OS X Server."

[amichalo]

Originally posted by adelaney
I think it is quite obvious at this point that the new product from Apple will be a parallel universe where Betamax survived and everyone has a Mac...and you too can live there for a mere $1299 ($1249 with the Education discount) ...also James Lipton and Thomas Kinkade are on the Most Wanted list...

...sigh.

Oh were it true

[Beej]

Originally posted by anon
no PC has ran OS X. .maybe it *is* OS X for PCs..

who knows..

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg!! This is too much!!! (:

Yeah that's a good point... no PC has run OS X before. (Not outside Apple, anyway, if you believe all that stuff).

It even kind of fits the other teasers:
1) This one is big. Even by our standards.

Going from being able to run OS X on 5% of machines to 95% is pretty big.

2) Count the days. Counter the minutes. Count on being blown away.

Well this one is just a teaser, no real hints here.

3) Beyond the rumors sites. Way beyond.

I don't know about this one - this has been speculated about a fair bit. I guess most people are knocking it on the head pretty quickly, though.

4) It's like a backstage pass to the future.

We're running OS X on our macs now, and OS X is the OS of the future. So this one may just be describing what us mac users already have and what PC users will soon get - OS X.

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by ormerlin
Since the tag line says "Where no PC has gone before" is it possible Apple is speaking of something portable? Meaning is will travel places easier than any other product has?

That could be a hint for the "iWalk", although I don't believe it. We won't see an iWalk monday.

It will be a rocket. An Apple rocket. And every Mac owner can fly to the moon and back. And Apple will launch Airport sattellites, so everyone can stay connected on the moon. That's it.
Sorry Steve, I spoild your suprise.

(BTW the product will be called iStep. It's a small iStep for Steve, but a great step for the SteveKind)

[Gelfin]

Assuming they're not just making an unimaginative pop culture reference and that there is some actual meaning here, there are a couple of options.

One possibility I had considered already is that if the new iMac is basically shaped like a Studio Display, with wireless keyboard and mouse, it would be really cool if you could just hang the thing on the wall like a picture frame. That would certainly be someplace that PCs in general have not gone before.

Thinking along the "digital lifestyle" line, one place PCs have not been before is, "in your entertainment center." It could be that they will be introducing an A/V component far more powerful and versatile than anything we've anticipated.

And finally, I would be remiss not to mention an earlier comment of mine, that with the expectations they're setting up, people won't be satisfied unless they announce cold fusion or warp drive or something. Clearly this latest slogan is evidence in favor of the "warp drive" alternative. ;)

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by anon
no PC has ran OS X. .maybe it *is* OS X for PCs..

who knows..

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg!! This is too much!!! (:

I would appear to be the logical choice, given that (Windows's PC's) have never run OSX. But what would this do for the sales of Apple Hardware? Mac's are great because it's hardware and software are controlled by one company. I don't think Apple want's to get into the business of support for so many different hardware issues.

However, on the consumer side: It would be absolutely great to have that OS choice. There are so many Microsoft haters and people tired of winblows that I think people would literally flock to get an Apple OS in thier PC. I know I would.

[DannyZR2]

well. . . we know that intel has a 2.2 ghz chip out now.. could we see a g5 with a top end at 2.4ghz like we've been hearing about???

yes.. i think this is unlikely.. but hey screw it.. we've got three days.. we'll all be blown away right???

[Mausabiest]

Yep, I think they will also have a PC at MWSF running Os X.

What great stuff, 3 days, way to long.

[AppleJunkie]

An Operating System that will run all program (Windows, Mac, Unix, Linux, etc...) . Maybe?

[GigaWire]

To go where no PC has gone before.


3Ghz man. No PC's been there. Nor has a PC run on solar power. Obviously, they are throwing down the gauntlet with this one. Star Trek was about a ship that went places no man had been before, but years later man was there; thus this product must be something that the PC has yet to do, but eventually will do.

Also, this is clearly a comparison to a PC, so it's not some dopey ass camera (thank god!)
No PC has fully migrated to a truly handheld capacity.

Wait, no PC has ever utilized artificial intelligence in a manner that creates an interactive human/machine environment. Remember, think simple, and how much more simple could working with a PC be? We just might see the iHAL come Monday!!


Then again, I don't think anyone's ever gone to bed with a PC before either...

[macdop]

has any one noticed how much that iWalk thing looks like the pads they use on Star Trek?

-Just a thought

[bingimar]

i think the are sending a apple computer to the moon!

hey it could happen

[anon]

that Rhapsody DR2 actually ran on PCs.. And it ran very well...

That was, what, 4 years ago? I'd hope that in 4 years they'd be able to get it to run 'better'..

but who knows.. Maybe they'll team up with Sony or IBM and introduce some killer MacPCs..

[anon]

some kind of portable Mac with FREE wireless service?? like a PDA but different and with badass internet capabilities and free wireless..

who knows!!

[louisdeboer]

Apple is making most of her money via selling hardware, it wouldn't make sense to port OS X to PC's... who would buy an Apple if you could do the same trick with a cheap wintel machine?

[arn]

Besides...

you don't want to piss off the developers

"Hey... port your apps again!"

arn

[i_should_register]

We will NOT see OS X for x86. The reason that our macs work as well as they do is because Apple designs the OS and the hardware. Have you ever seen the hardware conflicts that plague Linux and Windoze users? Why have Macs always been plug-and-play while PCs are plug-and-pray?

As someone with experience in building PCs for resale, I can tell you that PC hardware is crap. The company I was working for at that time had to go through five different motherboards before finding one that worked with the other hardware over 80% of the time. When the XPs came out, we had to do it all over again!

The PC component market is too fragmented for anyone to be able to design a really stable OS for x86. In any case, most of the "standards" that PC components pretend to adhere to are just ugly kludges created by reverse-engineering proprietary IBM interfaces fom 8086 days.

Can you imagine calling Apple and saying "My DVD drive stopped working" and having them respond "Which northbridge do you have? We've experienced problems with people using such-and-such part number from so-and-so." It's a tech support nightmare. Apple restricted their product line for a reason. They wouldn't want to go back to the days of a dozen different Performas, much less enter the nightmare that is the PC hardware world.

[adelaney]

iSteve: Personal (lifesize) Digital Assistant, guaranteed to make your life insanely great and can block out all sorts of negative realities. (Drug problems, debt, James Lipton etc.)

iOU: Personal checks made of a filmy, electronic paper that, wirelessly, transfers money into a person's account as soon as the check is handed them.

iBelieve: Knock off Electric Monk.

[lera]

Big
count... (down)
Beond us
future
no pc has gone before

Apple has built a (big) satilite (futuristic) that they are going to (count down) Blast into space (where no pc has done before). An Idea not yet thought of by the romor sites)

Who needs AirPort for internet when you have spacePort?

[JOHNGAETANO]

I really think you guys are taking this way to serious, and will be disapointed when you see it's just a new iMac. I hope I am wrong, but I think "HYPE" is the new thing in every industry. Remember the Hype of the PS2 just because you couldn't buy one created hype. People HAD to have it.

On the other hand, it could be a Tablet Computer ie the new iBook.

[simX]

"To go where no PC has gone before." does not necessarily imply that it is a computer. It could interface with a digital hub device to provide new capabilities to the computer, while retaining stand-alone functions in the device. This would still be where no PC has gone before. Like a cool portable media viewer/player (take all your pictures, movies, music, divx files, and other things) that could take everything you've dreamed of with you and view it with it's built-in screen.

Basically my reasoning comes down to this: Apple did not say, "A PC where no other PC has gone before." Apple said "To go where no PC has gone before." Catch my drift?

-- simX

[GeeYouEye]

Computing
The final frontier
These are the voyages of the Apple Macintosh
It's continuing mission: to explore strange, new technology
to seek out new lifestyles, and new innovations
to boldly go where no PC has gone before.

:D:D:D:D

[Gerry]

Putting the hints all together: it's a letter-sized tablet with full OS X with handwriting recognition etc., BUT, put it on its stand (previously known as a 'dock'), and you can use the wireless keyboard and mouse and hey presto: instant flat-screen iMac. So it's basically a desktop Mac, but you get to carry the screen/Mac off with you. That's why it will go where no PC has gone before, and why we'll all be blown away. Essentially, an OS X tablet/iMac with bits and pieces borrowed from the Newton. The clever part will be the balance between how much Apple squeeze into the tablet, and how much they leave in the dock. And here's why this would be so cool: My PDA's fun, but it's essentially a toy. But a full-sized tablet that can be slipped in my briefcase, and which gives me FULL functionality and even Office v.X and UNIX and everything else on my desktop machine would be FANTASTIC. Ok, I love reading all the speculation, but I think this is the one to hope for.

[BirdBrain]

It's wearable iGoggles, the 3d reality distortion glasses, the extra interface on the iWalk is to connect to it, wow this stuff is sooooo obvious.

I have no clue what so ever, but like Mr Goldblum once said "Gee, your so gonna want one !", whatever it is !

[748s]

about 6 to 8 months ago someone was doing tests with a satelite that had a g4 inside. it was only a small thing. think it had a beefed up airport system. think it was for internet and or phones. they sent one up. the plan was to have lots of them in stationery orbit around the planet. can't remember the full story on why or how it all worked.

[GeeYouEye]

We are the Microsoft. Lower your firewalls and surrender your data. We will add our security flaws and technological indistinctiveness to your own. Your IT department will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

Also captured from Microsoft...

Hope is irrelevant
freedom is irrelevant
death is irrelevant
you will comply
we will assimilate you into our collective

said about Microsoft...

...every trace of individuality erased...
...I was one of them

:D :D :D :D

[j763]

Originally posted by louisdeboer
Apple is making most of her money via selling hardware, it wouldn't make sense to port OS X to PC's... who would buy an Apple if you could do the same trick with a cheap wintel machine?

"Apple is a software company first" - Steve Jobs. Look at m$ - hell, i'm not saying that Apple should be like m$ at all, but m$ only made software (most of it they stole or purchased from other companies) and look at where they are today! If Apple can make a version of OS X for the PC, this would be great for Apple. Why? a) You'd increase the number of developers currently coding for OS X and b) the profits would go back into Apple Computer, which can then be used for intensive Apple hardware ad campaigns. With EXPOSURE, Apple can become the market leader. I bet that many people out there have no clue as to what Apple's up to... (I read a post here on macrumors.com the other day about a guy who didn't think that apple made laptops). They probably think that m$ is the only choice for personal computers. As for this killing Apple hardware, obviously osx would run better under apple hardware, provide 'seamless hardware + software integration' and if need be, Apple could add limitations to the PC version just to make ppl want to buy a mac. With OS X for PC and a well-run marketing campaign for apple hardware - the next time people buy a new comp, they'd most likely think different and buy a mac.

BUT, lets not try and read too much into comments from Apple on apple.com - they might just have a damn fast processor (G4 - 2.4GHz) to really kick the Pentium4's ass or something similar... Or they might have NOTHING at all to do with PC v. Mac - "To go where no PC has ever gone before" might just be a gem from Apple's marketing department to get our whole anti-PC (die die die) emotions rolling behind the Macworld Keynote. The Keynote's got a huge ammount of momentum behind it, all the rumors, anti-pc, apple's technology is something you'd expect to see in the future but is here now. I hope for apple's sake, that they've got something pretty big for us, because judging by posts here, if they released a 17" LCD iMac for under $1000, we'd be hearing yawns.

Damn that was a long post.

j763

[cnl100]

When it says 'to go where no PC has gone before' it makes me think that the PDA thing might hold some truth, but this thing, although may be the size of a conventional PDA, is going to be far from PDA stats. If they can fit a 5 gig HDD in the iPod, maybe they found a 10 gig one for this new device, a 400Mhz G3 and 128MB of RAM would make it complete as a fully featured 'Pocket Power Mac' of its own. Possibly running a stripped down version of Mac OS X, with less of the eye candy as not to sap the processsor power.....

Hmmmmmmm

Col

[McFreggle]

I almost forgot...
The countdown is a good hint for my rocket-theory.
And a rocket can blow one away, that's for sure.

And it's big... even to their standards.
And it's a backstage pass to the future. Because time and space are related, aren't they?

It all makes sense.

[beigemac]

It basically means a MAC range with USB 2.0 and Firewire2.0 as well as maybe combo drives and a 1 gig niccard and optical HD.

NoPC in the market provides these standards all in one!!!

[groov']

Originally posted by GigaWire
To go where no PC has gone before.


Then again, I don't think anyone's ever gone to bed with a PC before either...



Except for a notebook, you're probably right.

So, it will be available in 2 versions - iMan and iWoman.

And many different colors of course.

[gotohamish]

Hmm, what if each of the 7 messages referred to a corresponding product?

- iPhoto
- LCD iMac
- New G4s?
- G5s?
- Upgraded Portables
- Digital Lifestyle device(s)
- OSX on a Wintel
- PDA

There's more than enought rumors to justify this. Any thoughts people....????

gotohamish

[mbcastleman]

tell me that the billion dollars that will be set aside from M$ for education will be funneled to Apple. Apple will create a University for all its registered users and with the Billion dollars, we will all get new computers on Bill!

Or

Steve invented @#!$?!! WARP DRIVE BABY!!!!

[j763]

Originally posted by mbcastleman
tell me that the billion dollars that will be set aside from M$ for education will be funneled to Apple.

m$ will never end up settling - their proposals are so unreasonable.

and as for an apple uni set aside for all mac users... well, that's about as likely as spymac.com as getting something right. (yeah, i did get the joke but i take every opportunity to discredit spymac.com - as if they need it :) )

[Mr.Likeable]

http://www.macfixitforums.com/php/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=Forum26

A wristwatch?

[iapple]

Guys, I think you're going too far! I've heard that the G5 that Motorola made is for something other than Macs. The Appolo might be here, but I don't know how a G5 could also be introduced.

Man! All this speculation sounds like the world is going to end on January 7th! These next 3 days seem soooooo long!
So far, to average out the rumors:

G3 (750fx) imacs @ 1Ghz (up to) with a flat panel (mayyybe tablet with wireless stuff?)
G4 new powermacs up to 1.2GHz DP
an iBook update with colors, and standard combo drive (Sahara chip)
A new divice other than the iMac (Digital hub related?, Newton?, update to iPod? )
An iCam/iPhoto software/hardware. (probably just iPhoto SW)

I wanna buy an iBook soon, but do you guys think there will be an update or some cool new features? (Gigawire?)

Can someone PLEASE explain to me what the iWalk is and what the Gigawire is? (or is SUPPOSED to be?) I read something about the iWalk but they had already taken down the pics because of Apple Legle crap. Thanx so much.

[mbcastleman]

Nokia recently announced the communicator would be available in the US(the phone of all phones). I think apple has a competitive device or they will put OS X on the communicator.

[j763]

Originally posted by mbcastleman
Nokia recently announced the communicator would be available in the US(the phone of all phones). I think apple has a competitive device or they will put OS X on the communicator. Nokia do not make the phone of all phones. Sonyericsson do - hey, what about sonyapplericsson. now that'd work!

[Edited by j763 on 01-04-2002 at 06:29 AM]

[iapple]

Originally posted by gotohamish
Hmm, what if each of the 7 messages referred to a corresponding product?

- iPhoto
- LCD iMac
- New G4s?
- G5s?
- Upgraded Portables
- Digital Lifestyle device(s)
- OSX on a Wintel
- PDA

There's more than enought rumors to justify this. Any thoughts people....????

gotohamish

I am almost agreeing with you except for OSX on wintel (which I think wouldn't be wize for apple to do beause apple is good because it makes the os and the hardware) and G5. I'm HOPING for a G5, but I really doubt it. But I donno! Maybe apple is giving me a surprise!

Visit this link to know what I want! A coool tablet!
http://homepage.mac.com/flyermoney/ipad/

[sdiezig]

Hi Folks!
Could it be possible that it is "just" a NASA Expedition to the Mars and the Space Shuttle is filled with great Macs or even driven by some Macs? (No Astronauts required)

But I have no idea!

[mbcastleman]

It is going to be hard to get a connection to watch the webcast. I have watched them all, some after the fact because I couldn't get a live connection.

When Forbes and other business companies start stirring the hype, like they have, everyone on the planet is going to want to know what steve has to say.

I hope SJ knows what sort of frenzy he is making and we have now, thanks to the hype, have expectations that demand to be exceeded.

If I could get Quickbooks for OSX instead of that ancient 4.0, I would be a happy man.

If my Palm GPS software worked on a mac, I would be a happy man.

If the old strategic conquest worked on os x I would be a happy man.

Unreal Tournament, once again a happy man.

AND IF MACROMEDIA WOULD GET OFF THEIR A55, I could TURN OFF CLASSIC FOR F#($IN' EVER!!

[cnl100]

Steve has us all worked up about it!!

I bet he is sat there in front of his Mac laughing hysterically on all the obsurd theories being brought up around the net.

We will all just have to wait for Monday, which is a longer wait for some of us, as the Keynote doesnt start till 9PM in the UK! Aaaarrggghhh!

Col

[j763]

Originally posted by cnl100
We will all just have to wait for Monday, which is a longer wait for some of us, as the Keynote doesnt start till 9PM in the UK! Aaaarrggghhh!

Col

um... there's the same wait whatever time zone u live in :) LoL. Under your theroy, i've got to wait *even LONGER* than you for Tuesday morning. damn australian time :)

[Vikram]

Here is why Steve Jobs moved his keynote and what he is going to announce. Eat your heart out, Bill.

DURING HIS KEYNOTE at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week, Microsoft's Bill Gates will demonstrate the AirPanel 150, a flat-panel wireless monitor from Viewsonic that allows users to carry it from room to room.

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/01/03/020103hnairpanel.xml

[jMc]

Originally posted by ors23
Hmm...wouldn't it be awesome if instead of a LCD screen, the iMac had a built-in projector. Who needs a monitor when you have a wall?

...my walls are painted black...
jx

[mbcastleman]

i am a mac user
i am unique
i am special
i am somebody, and damnit people like me.

Apple is announcing the iAM. Personal mirror and digital photograph device to help with self esteem. Because we are all OK.

When you are feeling down, look in the Apple shaped mirror and say, "Im ok." If that doesnt work, try looking at some digital pictures, which you may have doctored, of you doing fun things.... Ok now I am freaking myself out. uuurrrrggghhhh.

[iapple]

I wish classic games worked on OSX! Some claim that I have no CD-ROM in the drive, when THERE IS!
ANYWAY,


MORE APPS for OSX PLEASE!! More apps that not only WORK in OSX, but work BETTER in OSX. Something to show us how great the potential for the OS is!
By OSX v.11 (I don't know what they are going to call it after OSX 10.9.9) I want it to be blazing fast and NO COMPARISON to OS9! (or to XP if possible..)

To make the developers move Apple's gotta make their own amazing app. Not like iTunes which already exists for 9 too. Something to really show off. Not like Office v.X that's so much like v. 2001.

I'm hoping they have some great app stored for OSX for this expo!

[mbcastleman]

OK kick me in the head. I forgot to deselect email notification. When will it stop??????????????? THE HORROR!!! But I bet that the last time it ever happens.

[Guest]

I think apple will put 2 processors in each mac and not anything else because Motorola can't deliver new chip's due to technical and employment problems.
Apple has to decide for possibly a new chip before july this year or to buy the Motorola Powerpc division.
It's probably the only thing they can do.
I hate to dissappoint anyone. I hope it's enough.

[johnesco]

It's just me, or does that "iWalk" in the video look a lot like the Franklin eBookMan?



Originally posted by Macrumors
To go where no PC has gone before.


on Apple.com (http://www.apple.com) - 3 days to go.

[The Saint]

Now that really would be a surprise. Maybe he's got rid of that old pair of jeans as well?

Where no PC has gone before? I guess that's just a reference to some chessy ads for the new products based on a "Star Trek" theme. Remember in Star Trek they claimed to go "where no man has gone before", but ended up landing on a planet already populated by humanoids, who on the whole had a remarkable grasp of the English language...

[iapple]

Originally posted by johnesco
It's just me, or does that "iWalk" in the video look a lot like the Franklin eBookMan?



Originally posted by Macrumors
To go where no PC has gone before.


on Apple.com (http://www.apple.com) - 3 days to go.


I'm real sorry for pestering but WHAT IS THE iWALK? The video was not shown on Spymac when I went because of Apple legal stuff.
What did it do? A PDA? Tablet? What was it?
Just curious.

[moomin]

The answers to these riddles are quite elementary .

Way ---beyond--- rumor sites

no ---pc--- has gone before

Steve Jobs would not waste his time building another pda (he would waste the time to make idvds of a fake one though)

We gossip about a PDA, apple goes way beyond a PDA

A voice/pen interface be it a tablet or imac sitting on the coffee table is a pla, a personal lifestyle assistant

Apple are taking the mac to PDA Town. Where no pc has gone before

Bring on the PLA

[Klark]

I'm starting to think that we might be setting ourselves up for a letdown.

Sort of like before Star Wars:The Phantom Menace came out. The trailers for the movie were great. The movie left a lot to be desired.

Of course, I hope that Apple really blows our socks off.

[loveshismac]

pretty good article

http://www.thinksecret.com/features/mwsf02.html

[j763]

$1800 for a LCD??? what a stupid article! and i don't seriously think they'll speedbump the iBooks... maybe the powerbooks because Apple are going to have a hard time marketing a 667MHz PowerBook, which is their best laptop vs. a 1.whatever GHz G4 Apollo or G5 (unlikely).

guess we'll wait and see, but 1800 for an LCD comp will fall over in the market...

[iapple]

Originally posted by j763
$1800 for a LCD??? what a stupid article! and i don't seriously think they'll speedbump the iBooks... maybe the powerbooks because Apple are going to have a hard time marketing a 667MHz PowerBook, which is their best laptop vs. a 1.whatever GHz G4 Apollo or G5 (unlikely).

guess we'll wait and see, but 1800 for an LCD comp will fall over in the market...

YUP, I agree! $1800 seems rediculous. Especially since I live in Japan, the prices are higher here than the US! I might as well buy an iBook!!! REAL mobility is in the iBook even if there is that tablet thingy. and since it's cheaper, I would buy an iBook.

They've got to give some reason to buy the iMac (or whatever it's going to be called) since mac portables are selling so well.

[dantec]

With Superdrive, 733mhz G4, Mac OS 10 default OS.

Bundeled with tons of software... and since it's a tablet you get some for of expandability a PCMCIA card! (urgh)

I like all this imagination!

Especially the idea of an iMac tablet, iPDA, iPhoto etc.

Maybe the new iMac will have mobile phone access... that's a stab at Nokia! (for not including thier communicator software for Mac OS)

[dantec]

Maybe we will see Mac OS 10.2!!?!?!!!!!`!

WWOHOHOHOHOHOHOOHHOHOOHHOHOOHOHOHHO

the clock is clicking...

[marco114]

There is so much talk of a "new" iBook? C'mon people. You guys have lost it.

What is the oldest form factor(s) being used still in Apple's lineup?

Definitely the iMac
Definitely the PowerMac G3/G4 case

We will see new form factors for those Machines for sure.

We will not see:
OSX on Intel
Machines over 1.6GHZ that are shipping
G5's


Maybe Apple has licensed the gyroscope technology in the Segway, and it is built-in to the LCD monitor and it's like as thin as a peice of paper and balances on your desk. It uses flash memory cards instead of hard drives so it's quiet and uses Internet 2 technology anywhere in the World completely wirelessly with AirWire Technology.

[marco114]

So SpyMac has tried to make this even more legit by telling us that Apple Legal has made them take down the photos! Hahahaha.

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ha.

[iapple]

Originally posted by marco114
There is so much talk of a "new" iBook? C'mon people. You guys have lost it.

What is the oldest form factor(s) being used still in Apple's lineup?

Definitely the iMac
Definitely the PowerMac G3/G4 case

We will see new form factors for those Machines for sure.

We will not see:
OSX on Intel
Machines over 1.6GHZ that are shipping
G5's


Maybe Apple has licensed the gyroscope technology in the Segway, and it is built-in to the LCD monitor and it's like as thin as a peice of paper and balances on your desk. It uses flash memory cards instead of hard drives so it's quiet and uses Internet 2 technology anywhere in the World completely wirelessly with AirWire Technology.


Hmm.. Yes and no. I don't think they will radically modify the iBook, but they may add some colors, or a minor speed bump. (maybe combo drive standard)

YUP. Won't see OSX on Intel,no G5s and probably machines will be up to 1.3 GHz at the most, maybe a DP 1.2 or something.

I do wish to see a 10.2 release with SPRING LOADED FOLDERS! It's so god da*n annoying when you drag something to a folder in the column view and you wait and nothing happens. That's really the only thing I miss about OS9. I think a COLUMN spring loaded folder function would help.
BUT, more than anything, I want SPEED!!! SPEED!!! SPEED!! So it will run quick even on a G3 500Mhz like MY iBook combo. Window resizing is PAINFUL!

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by louisdeboer
Apple is making most of her money via selling hardware, it wouldn't make sense to port OS X to PC's... who would buy an Apple if you could do the same trick with a cheap wintel machine?

Yeah, Microsoft's not making any money doing the software only thing....

[Jas]

Anyone remember the rumor about an iMac with a detachable monitor that would serve as a "tablet" pc? Handwriting recognition, wireless connection to the "base" or network conduit? That would certainly fit the hype...and the photo on the MacWorld materials...

[guest]

I don't think it's just new software, as it was last time. I agree that the design of the towers and imacs are way too old. I really think it could be that they put a G5 (or Apollo named G5) in a dodecahedron case, as someone said a couple of days ago. It would be very Steve Jobsy to introduce such a shape, don't you think? And that would definitely be a new thing. If it's just the LCD iMac there really has to be something special about it to justify the pre-expo hyping from Apple, like the modular, semi-portable imac/ibook/PDA mixture handwriting recognizing idea. I mean, there are LCD PC's out there, so just a plain LCD screen isn't really that new, right?

[Pentium Killer]

You are all misreading what the letters say.They are only referring to the Macworld Expo,where no Pc has been before,sure,it is a Macworld Expo,not a PCExpo.This one is big,yeah,it is a very big Expo,meaning,there are a lot of Hardware and Softwarecompanies showing things,my god,read what is there and sorry for my bad English.Do not be disappointed on Monday and read correctly.

[Klark]

Had this been mentioned?

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/01/03/020103hnairpanel.xml

"During his keynote at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week, Microsoft's Bill Gates will demonstrate the AirPanel 150, a flat-panel wireless monitor from Viewsonic that allows users to carry it from room to room."

[Mr. Anderson]

As for the big let down, I just don't believe its going to be a Hindenburg. Apple cannot have lost all grasp of reality. They've cooked something up and we will be impressed. But the real concern is will it just be all us Mac Heads who get excited about a new toy or will it convert Windows loyalists to our side.

I'm really p.o. that I won't be near a computer with an internet connection on Monday. I'll have to read all about it after the event. Which might be better, but doestn' help my anticipation any.

[dw1]

Ok, what do we know?

1) Gigawire
Apple registered "Gigawire" which there is speculation that it's wireless firewire running at 54 mbs. 54 mbs is fast enough to stream TV quality video through the air.

2) 1 Ghz G3 from IBM
IBM has said that they can get the G3 to 1 Ghz. This makes for a very powerful video encoding processor.

3) Quicktime 6
MPEG-4 baby. Streaming video standard.

4) Large Hard drives in small spaces
What has the trend in hard drive sizes been lately? They are getting quite large, and staying very smalll. So hard drive space is in a abundance.

5) Digitial Convergence
The iPod started it. Apple is in the digital lifestyle business. Computing as we know it is on the way out.

6) iDVD
Apple likes video

7) Rumored price of new iMac $1800.
ibooks don't cost that much and they are supposed to be more expensive than desktops.

ok so you put these all together, and you get:

iMac PVR (Personal Video Recorder)

or some variation of that. Imagine. An iMac that's not just a computer any more but a digital hub using Gigawire. Records TV shows from your cable signal like a TiVO while streaming the picture to your TV. Integration into your home stereo system with iTunes. It makes a lot of sense though I'm interested in what you guys think?

They would need two devices or maybe one that sits between your cable signal and the TV. It streams the signal to the iMac PVR for recording, and during playback it receives the signal from the iMac, kind of like a Super Airport. It would also act as your home wireless hub. That's the key, get eveything wireless. They are trying to get everything wireless. Hmm.


-----
-dw1 ponders the implications

[iapple]

Originally posted by guest
I don't think it's just new software, as it was last time. I agree that the design of the towers and imacs are way too old. I really think it could be that they put a G5 (or Apollo named G5) in a dodecahedron case, as someone said a couple of days ago. It would be very Steve Jobsy to introduce such a shape, don't you think? And that would definitely be a new thing. If it's just the LCD iMac there really has to be something special about it to justify the pre-expo hyping from Apple, like the modular, semi-portable imac/ibook/PDA mixture handwriting recognizing idea. I mean, there are LCD PC's out there, so just a plain LCD screen isn't really that new, right?

Yeah, this is what I don't get. IS the Apollo called the G5? What IS qualified to be called a G5?
I think we are all excited about the G5, but shouldn't we be interested in the actual specs of the machine? I mean the G4 isn't THAT different to the G3 except for the Velocity Engine and stuff. WHAT are we saying equals the G5? Maybe breaking the GHz barrier will be going from G4 to G5. Maybe that's what Apple will do.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I'm going crazy with all this hype. Noone is going to be surprised unless there is a
Powermac running a G8 @ 587 Ghz!!!


-----------------
iBook 500 combo
Wanting a G5 laptop.
Trying to Think Different.

[iapple]

Originally posted by dw1
Ok, what do we know?

1) Gigawire
Apple registered "Gigawire" which there is speculation that it's wireless firewire running at 54 mbs. 54 mbs is fast enough to stream TV quality video through the air.

2) 1 Ghz G3 from IBM
IBM has said that they can get the G3 to 1 Ghz. This makes for a very powerful video encoding processor.

3) Quicktime 6
MPEG-4 baby. Streaming video standard.

4) Large Hard drives in small spaces
What has the trend in hard drive sizes been lately? They are getting quite large, and staying very smalll. So hard drive space is in a abundance.

5) Digitial Convergence
The iPod started it. Apple is in the digital lifestyle business. Computing as we know it is on the way out.

6) iDVD
Apple likes video

7) Rumored price of new iMac $1800.
ibooks don't cost that much and they are supposed to be more expensive than desktops.

ok so you put these all together, and you get:

iMac PVR (Personal Video Recorder)

or some variation of that. Imagine. An iMac that's not just a computer any more but a digital hub using Gigawire. Records TV shows from your cable signal like a TiVO while streaming the picture to your TV. Integration into your home stereo system with iTunes. It makes a lot of sense though I'm interested in what you guys think?

They would need two devices or maybe one that sits between your cable signal and the TV. It streams the signal to the iMac PVR for recording, and during playback it receives the signal from the iMac, kind of like a Super Airport. It would also act as your home wireless hub. That's the key, get eveything wireless. They are trying to get everything wireless. Hmm.


-----
-dw1 ponders the implications






YEAH!! the only area that Apple is a little behind the PC gang is in connecting with the TV. Yes my iBook can mirror my moniter on the TV (PC users around me were amazed..), but there is no really good way to input/output video or use the computer as a recorder or "streaming" machine.

THAT would be cool. You have your stereo speakers, your TV, your music player (iPod) your PDA/laptop all connected with "Gigawire" or "Airport", with some COOL SOFTWARE that's simple and elegant. A REAL digital hub!

[mazola]

... no PC has ever had iTunes 2.0.6 installed yet.

Or MacOS X v10.1.3.

I'll bet that's it.

[agreenster]

Hey iapple--

The reason you are lost is because we have been flapping about all this for weeks now: Here's the basics-

The G4 has several different versions. 7400, 7450, etc. The latest one, the 7460, is called the Apollo. Many people speculated early that Apple was going to release the 7460 (basically a new G4) and call it a G5.

A G5, however, is a different chip altogether. It has a restructured pipeline and architecture and is a 64 bit chip. There are other similar chips out there, some used by SGI, but most notably, Intel's itanium. 64 bit chips are the next 'big thing.' They are much faster.

[mtin3d]

Has anyone thought what if they brought back the star trek project? The star trek project was the porting of the Mac OS to intel hardware it was killed in the 91' or 92' just thought it was interesting to here to go where no "PC" (instead of mac) has gone before.

[burger011]

I'll be the first to admit, I have just above average knowledge of how computers work. But with the way things are being hyped, something way beyond our imagination is comming Monday.

I've read articles about, IF I recall correctly, about building processors on molecues that are a million times faster then what we see today.

Does anyone out there understand what I'm talking about...I think it was refered to as "Nano" technology.

I know it sounds crazy, but from what I remember its a technology that was already being implemented.

Any thoughts....

[rupert burrows]

I think someone just lost the plot...

[jeffrs]

personally i think today's tease just refers to the new iMac, but if we buy into the hype and take the meaning more literally than you would have to think tablet... sure there are a couple tablet pcs available but the really have yet to enter the comsumer market nForce

[iapple]

Originally posted by agreenster
Hey iapple--

The reason you are lost is because we have been flapping about all this for weeks now: Here's the basics-

The G4 has several different versions. 7400, 7450, etc. The latest one, the 7460, is called the Apollo. Many people speculated early that Apple was going to release the 7460 (basically a new G4) and call it a G5.

A G5, however, is a different chip altogether. It has a restructured pipeline and architecture and is a 64 bit chip. There are other similar chips out there, some used by SGI, but most notably, Intel's itanium. 64 bit chips are the next 'big thing.' They are much faster.

Thanks for explaining! I've heard something about Motorola releasing a chip called the "G5", but this is called the MPC 8540, but this is not a CPU used for Mac (well that's what Motorola is intending anyway.) This is used by certain network machines etc. Also the MPC 8540 (which is Motorola7s "G5") does not have a Velocity Engine and this is another reason why it will not be used in Macs.
What Apple will call the "G5" is not yet clear.

The G4 used the SOI which will produce less heat, and it will be easier to include the G4 chip in Laptops etc.

This leads me to conclude that we will not be seeing a G5 for a while.
Also, if you compare the present G4 machines and a machine running the 750 FX G3 machine, the G3 machine will be quicker if not running a app using the Velocity Engine.
The G3 chip still has potential, and I think the G3/G4 lineup will continue for a while.

[Wonkothesane]

So, they've finally readied the G5 chips as neural implants? Or are they going to be used to make toasters that never make burn the bread! Ohhh.. I'm so excited.

[deadtide]

This might explain it. I think I saw that being tossed around when the the G5 capabilities were discussed. If they've got a chip that's now capable of terraflop (a 1.6 ghz G5? I dunno...), they'd probably consider that enough to "blow you away" and it would be somethign that "no PC has [done] before"

right? c'mon. This isn't that big of a deal. It's called MARKETING and this is gonna be about "Revolutionary" as the iPod announcement was. Don't get too excited or you'll just be dissapointed... :(

[burger011]

A new tablet is not "way beyond the rumors" (i think someone posted pistures the other day of an old Apple tablet) or going where no PC has gone before etc. etc.

I think everyone is thinking way to conservatively here. I'm not saying my idea, nano technology, is what where going to see. What I am saying its something truly reveolutionary.......

[Wonkothesane]

I think what you're talking about is Molecular computers. Nanotechnology refers more to little tiny robots... I think. It's early. ANYWAYS...something tells me that NO, that's not what Apple will be unveiling. That'd be something unveiled at some large world forum and would be preceded by a HUGE press from Wired, popular science, and the like, not to mention TIME, NEWSWEEK, and every major newspaper.

It's probably just a brown imac or something. ;)

[mmoore00]

Just checked out the AppleStore...

The puny current iMac 500mhz (most likely the first to go) has a build time of 3 days...

While the iPod and AirPort have 10 day build times... Hmmm.... Could we see iPod 2 and Airport 2.1??

I know Airport was just revamped, but we all know WEP is crap. Maybe 802.11a?

Just a thought...

[agreenster]

iapple-

You're welcome. Im no IT pro, thats just what Ive gathered from browsing here and Motorola's site. They have some neat info about the "G" family on their site. I encourage anyone to check it out.

[iapple]

I think Apple is talking more about some amazing "function" the divice has, not how "fast" the chip is. I personally would love a G5. YES I would!! but is that something so REVOLUTIONARY, to Blow you away? Aiming for "speed" is what the Wintel craptacular people have done!!! We shouldn't get caught in that!
What consumers what is not "2.4Ghz" but a "divice" that you can't live without, i.e. a "digital hub" divice of somesort, that you just can't resist.

It's like saying,
Do you want a car that drives at 470 miles/hour or do you want Air conditioning?

[i_did]

Originally posted by iapple
Originally posted by guest
I don't think it's just new software, as it was last time. I agree that the design of the towers and imacs are way too old. I really think it could be that they put a G5 (or Apollo named G5) in a dodecahedron case, as someone said a couple of days ago. It would be very Steve Jobsy to introduce such a shape, don't you think? And that would definitely be a new thing. If it's just the LCD iMac there really has to be something special about it to justify the pre-expo hyping from Apple, like the modular, semi-portable imac/ibook/PDA mixture handwriting recognizing idea. I mean, there are LCD PC's out there, so just a plain LCD screen isn't really that new, right?

Yeah, this is what I don't get. IS the Apollo called the G5? What IS qualified to be called a G5?
I think we are all excited about the G5, but shouldn't we be interested in the actual specs of the machine? I mean the G4 isn't THAT different to the G3 except for the Velocity Engine and stuff. WHAT are we saying equals the G5? Maybe breaking the GHz barrier will be going from G4 to G5. Maybe that's what Apple will do.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I'm going crazy with all this hype. Noone is going to be surprised unless there is a
Powermac running a G8 @ 587 Ghz!!!


-----------------
iBook 500 combo
Wanting a G5 laptop.
Trying to Think Different.



The G5 is a whole new architecture from Mortorolla. It is a 64 bit processor. It is as big a change from the G4 as the original PowerPC was from the 64040. All of these people saying "it's the G5" are dreaming. The G5 is NOT ready yet. Motorolla makes two versions of its PowerPC processors - embeded and desktop. The EMBEDED G5 is ready for production. Note that embeded does not mean PDA, it might be used in DV cameras, Boradband Switches, etc. Apple is NOT Motorolla's only customer. For example, Cisco uses Motorolla's G4 in some of their routers.

Rumors are fun. If they actually make sense, it's even better.

[networkman]

...to a cool os like os x

could that be a clue?


just a guess

[agreenster]

Whats up buuuuuuuud-y?

You know, i was thinking that would be a really good idea. Id love to pop open my TiBook, launch OSX, and run any piece of Windows software.

[grouse]

This whole G* thing is doing round in circles a bit. Maybe this thread is coming to the end of its natural life.

The question must be for politicos out there, will Apple incorporate a G7 into their machines before the group of 7 major industrial economies (also sharing that nomenclature) incorporates Russia to beat apple to the G8?

(Just carrying on the various nonsense themes)

And just to open a small, but perfectly formed, question... Isn't Quicktime due for a refit? Would QT6 (probably being held for the QT Feb get together) fit into the old TiVo equivalent digital televisual hub rumor strand? Do we know what to expect from QT6? And will Stevo be able to resist flagging the technology of QT6 only a month before QuickTime live?

Thoughts?

[KNGPaul]

Perhaps apple won't bring OSX to x86, but it will bring x86 to OSX. The latest release of Virtual PC has just been announced, maybe apple has bought Connectix and will be incorporating an x86 compatability layer to OSX, this combined with a G5 could possibly run x86 software faster than an actual x86 machine. (Speed was supposidly greatly increased in the newest version of VPC). Just a thought.

Another thought, perhaps Apple and AMD have been working on a new Apple processor. It's not as implausable as it sounds. Perhaps AMD bought Motorola's chip division, and will now be making processors for apple. At the heart of every modern x86 processor is a RISC core, there is just a portion of the processor that is deticated to the translation of x86 CISC code into RISC segments. If just switch outthe translation portion to translate into PowerPC instructions and you could have a PowerPC compatable processor built by AMD.

[hotch]

Cisco did start using them in their high-end routers early last year...

[networkman]

the way i see it, with windows at 93-95 percent of the market and mac os at five percent, windows could only really go down from where they are at and os x could only gain more users whether it's on a g4 or a new pc

unofortunately, my revision a ibook with 160 mb of ram is really too small for os x

[iapple]

Networkman,

I still think that porting OSX to the windows machines is not good for Apple. Apple is good because they make the hardware and software (mac and OS). Imagine what a nightmare it would be for the poor apple employees to check on an IBM, a Sony and all the other dellcrap and wintel crap to make sure that OSX works... Loads of customer complaints, problem after problem...
It would be a disaster! and people wouldn't trust Apple any more.

------
I'm sorry networkman, but I have a question that's kinda off the topic, but can you do USB printer sharing on OSX?

[soosy velour]

It's official. Jobs will come out dressed as Gandalf complete with robes and magical staff. Smoke effects and pyrotechnics will fill the stage. Dancers will jump around singing praises and ushering in a new era of computer euphoria.

Apple should consider it. THIS would surprise everybody.

[i_did]

Originally posted by KNGPaul
Perhaps apple won't bring OSX to x86, but it will bring x86 to OSX. The latest release of Virtual PC has just been announced, maybe apple has bought Connectix and will be incorporating an x86 compatability layer to OSX, this combined with a G5 could possibly run x86 software faster than an actual x86 machine. (Speed was supposidly greatly increased in the newest version of VPC). Just a thought.

Another thought, perhaps Apple and AMD have been working on a new Apple processor. It's not as implausable as it sounds. Perhaps AMD bought Motorola's chip division, and will now be making processors for apple. At the heart of every modern x86 processor is a RISC core, there is just a portion of the processor that is deticated to the translation of x86 CISC code into RISC segments. If just switch outthe translation portion to translate into PowerPC instructions and you could have a PowerPC compatable processor built by AMD.


This would be pointless. A by definition a RISC processor's machine code is identical to its microcode. By translating PowerPC machine code into AMD microcode, you have just created a cisc processor. Ignoring all of the other differences in the architecture (endianness, instruction size, registers, etc) this alone makes such a project worthless.

Reccomended reading: Structured Computer Organization, 4th Edition (http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/tanenbaum2/)
by Andrew S. Tanenbaum

[blakespot]

to quote i_did
The G5 is a whole new architecture from Mortorolla. It is a 64 bit processor. It is as big a change from the G4 as the original PowerPC was from the 64040.


i_did, the PowerPC processor is incompatible with the Motorola 68040 (correcting your 64040). They are fast enough to emulate the 68040 at speeds equal to or greater than the fastest 68040 out there---but this is done in software. For instane, a modern x86 chip could also do this.

The PowerPC processors share a common, core instruction set. Code written for a PPC 601 will run on a G4. Similarly, such code will run on a G5 when it is released. The G5's instruction set is not incompatible with previous PowerPC processors.



blakespot

[agreenster]

I dont think 'I_Did" was making an actual comparison, he was just trying to illustrate the difference of power and performnce between the different chips.

In other words, the G5 will be much faster than the G4, much like the PowerPC was much faster than the 68040. You kinda went over his head (well, at least some of ours) with your response. Its okay, because you pointed out that the G5 and G4 will be more compatible with each other than the PowerPC and 68040 was. Thats good news!

[Edited by agreenster on 01-04-2002 at 01:01 PM]

[i_did]

Originally posted by blakespot
to quote i_did
The G5 is a whole new architecture from Mortorolla. It is a 64 bit processor. It is as big a change from the G4 as the original PowerPC was from the 64040.


i_did, the PowerPC processor is incompatible with the Motorola 68040 (correcting your 64040). They are fast enough to emulate the 68040 at speeds equal to or greater than the fastest 68040 out there---but this is done in software. For instane, a modern x86 chip could also do this.

The PowerPC processors share a common, core instruction set. Code written for a PPC 601 will run on a G4. Similarly, such code will run on a G5 when it is released. The G5's instruction set is not incompatible with previous PowerPC processors.



blakespot

Actually, the G5 will have two modes. A 32-bit compatibility mode and a native 64-bit mode. AMD's 64-bit processors will also use this dual mode system. The Itanium will use software emulation for 32-bit apps.

The G5's native instruction set will be incompatible with the G4's. In this case, Motorolla decided to use hardware emulation rather than software emulation. There will be a speed hit for running 32-bit code.

I'm doing research on 64-bit processors as part of a project between the Honors College and the Computer Science department. Motorolla has dragged its ass on sending me an NDA, so I don't have any "real" evidence yet. All of my information comes from public sources and Apple is making Motorolla keep quiet on this one. Once I do have the information, I won't be able to share it any more. I can't even publish my report until the G5 is released. But I can tell you this: the G5 has been in development since before the first PowerMac G4 shipped and we WILL be seeing it this year.

[BZ]

Think about it.

- No PC (Personal Computers) Have had them
- It is "way beyond" rumor sites (since they are talking dual)
- It would get get Steve up to 4 GHz (4 x 1 GHz)
- Motorola is certainly not going to release anything to suprising but OS X can take advantage of
multiprocessor

So... my predictions:

- All laptops get boosts
- iPod gets boosts (new iTunes, release)
- X goes 10.1.3
- Flat screen iMac
- ALL iMacs get at least 800 Mhz G3s
- PowerMacs at 1 Ghz (fast), 2 x 1 GHz (faster), 4 x 1 GHz (fastest).

Steve does a demo of one of those babies flying beating a Pentium 4 2.2 GHz by more than 10 times.

Ahh... the dreams.

BZ

[agreenster]

Maybe you DIDNT go over his head. He at least talks the talk.

Mmmmmmm......my foot tastes GOOD.........

[Hemmi]

For sure:

They are going to shoot an mac on mars - pathfinder III. Maybe they take the SE/30.
However steve´s a great marketeer.

[iapple]

I still doubt the G5. As much as I want it.
Also, the G5 isn't ready yet. The G5 that motorola is talking about recently is not the G5 for apple...sadly (it doesn't even have a Velocity Engine)

SOooooo.. I think it is some concept for some hardware. I don't think it is just the iMac that all this deal is about. I think it is something else. A flatpanel iMac is not going to "Blow us away" or "Going beyond PC's"
Something else
And you've gotta admit. THey aren't going to have a G5 OVER 2GHz! so a G5 at 1.2 Ghz is not really "beyond PC's".

Apple introduced the iMac, creating a whole new trend of machines, introducing "style", "color", and the importance of designs for Computers. (before most were square shaped and ugly, and look at all the iMac copiers!!)

I think the key things will be
Digital Hub
Airport (maybe gigawire?)
tablet

NOT JUST to do with speed. (although I must admit, I WANT A G5 that would show those wintel people the superiority of the Mac)


-------
I recently noticed that the word "Macintosh" is not used any more! (stupid me) power MAC, iMAC, iBook, G4Cube, powerbook... Maybe they will introduce the word again...

[i_did]

Where No PC Has Gone Before:
or
Wearable Computing With a Twist:

Your face - iGlasses
Your hand - iGlove
Your entire head - iHelm

I just hope it's not the iProbe

[jayscheuerle]

Perhaps this stuff comes from the same genius who said that people would build cities around the Segway. We'll have a few neat new toys, but this type of hyperbole means something very different to Mr. Jobs than it does to the rest of the dictionary reading public.

Of course, if Apple has been dumping all its resources into the next big thing, that would explain why all the bug fixes for OSX have been so slow in coming.....

[guest]

-Dual processor Imac
-Detachable LCD

-One Processor in the "dock" and one in
the LCD. So when docked you get the power
of two processors and undocked unough power
to to lighter work and save battery.

[Argo1000]

Well DUH !!

'Where no PC has gone before'....codename iWalk (that is not likely to be the real product name)...Apple already has pretty good wireless LAN technology...

I get it.... the living room, the den, the kitchen, etc...

Hmmm.... what about (in addition to the speed bumps, flat panel iMac and probably iPhoto) what about a small, highly portable stealth iMac for the living room (or wherever) with connectivity to home TV monitors and stereo systems? With no monitor and perhaps a wireless keyboard/remote, it would be no bigger than a Cube (and a GREAT way to get rid of all those unsold Cube cases). It uses your home TV/stereo system for sound/display and links to the net with an AirPort card. (This would require a price drop for the Airport base station).

Failing that, they could just bill a flat iMac this way, since it would be much more portable...

Seems like a lot of product announcements for one show....

[evanmarx]

http://www.aventure-apple.com/ordis/images/spartacus.jpg

... even before the Ive era ...

[bobky]

hmmm

I hope Steve delivers on Monday, I fear alot of peeps are going to be p*ssed off with all the hype..

Personally I hope for a true digital hub device ( a bit like a set top box) that would sit near my tv, connect wirelessly to my mac, use itunes from my mac and play through the tv or connected hifi, using the tv as a display and recording digitally tivo style on the inbuilt HD.

And it would make coffee too.... (well maybe not)

:)

[MacManiac1224]

I hope Apple is not digging themselves a deep hole with all of this hype. I think they know what they are doing, but all I know is they better deliver, or the rumor sites are going to be really pist, and so are the regular computer community, but something tells me they know what they are doing.

[cplmd]

Where no PC has gone before and a backstage pass to the future.

All those neat PDA type devices on UPN's ENTERPRISE are actually Apple devices that they have been betaing right under our noses.

Now the rest of us get to buy them.

Expect to see a few cast members from ENTERPRISE at the convention.

You heard it here first.

[cave]

whats up with this pics?

http://www.edit.ne.jp/~chop/siryo/fr-newmac.html

[Edited by cave on 01-04-2002 at 03:49 PM]

[blakespot]

Humorous:

http://fury.com/clippings/apple.html




bp

[elgruga]

Small wireless connectors to your stereo (iTunes), to your phone, to your whatever, with the airport base station built in to the iBook etc.
Select "Stereo" and wireless iTunes plays through the stereo in the kitchen or somewhere.
Nah.

Logically:

The computer part can not be changed - its going to be a CPU etc.etc.
It has to use an OS of some kind.
It has to run on electricity of some type.
It has to have a user interface of some kind.

The connections/connectivity can be changed.
The size of components can be changed.
The price can be changed.
The speed can be changed.
The 'look' can be changed.

Looks to me like we are going to stray into the area of design improvement - OR - something is going to get smaller or larger or faster.

The other stuff, like MHZ improvements, are not going to match the hype.

Conclusion:

As in the past, the new product will NOT meet the expectations created by the hype. It cant.
(Thats basically the definition of hype)

So whats this week of madness about?
Pre-selling products and creating a buzz.

The disappointment on Monday wont matter - we will still buy the damn stuff because we are hooked on 'new and improved'.

This week of hype has me seriously looking at this 'digital' lifestyle thing. I am seeing Apple's focus go from excellent tools to do a specific job quickly and well, to fun, digital merely because it isnt analog, style because SJ can afford it and likes it, and missing the boat on spending time and resources on OS X.

All this is meaningless because OS X STILL isnt ready for prime time.

And that makes this week a bit of a letdown.

Hoping to be proven wrong on Monday .

[Crotalus]

I'm not buyin it as a replacement for the desktop P-Mac. Maybe a replacement for the cube. Not Enough expandability. The iMac looked very plausible. Like something we might actually see on Monday. Just my 2¢ though.

[lazyrighteye]

This is great fun!! Apple HAS to be eating this up!

Forget 2.4G, forget iDevice(s)...

I agree with Gerry back on page 2. It the iMac. But I too think the flat panle will detatch from the "docking station," giving the user a tablet (& pen) to carry with them.

Whadda ya think?

[lazyrighteye]

This is great fun!! Apple HAS to be eating this up!

Forget 2.4G, forget iDevice(s)...

I agree with Gerry back on page 2. It's the iMac. But I too suspect the flat panel will detatch from the "docking station," or simply lift out of some flat panle holding device, giving the user a tablet (& pen) to carry with them. It would be like a PDA, but take it from a toy device to soemthing we won't be able to live without. Weeeeeee!!

Whadda ya think?

lazyrighteye

[Klark]

All of these comments about a flat-screen computer with a detatchable screen and pen-input, etc remind me of the speculation surrounding P1 -- Apple's consumer portable, which eventually was the iBook.

Here is an interesting article:

http://davenet.userland.com/2002/01/04/betOnTheIdock

[lazyrighteye]

This is great fun!! Apple HAS to be eating this up!

Forget 2.4G, forget iDevice(s)...

I agree with Gerry back on page 2. It's the iMac. But I too suspect the flat panel will detatch from the "docking station," or simply lift out of some flat panle holding device, giving the user a tablet (& pen) to carry with them. It would be like a PDA, but take it from a toy device to soemthing we won't be able to live without. Weeeeeee!!

Whadda ya think?

lazyrighteye

[monsterbucket]

OS X on the PC is my best guess...

the original osX team had a code name like star trek or trekkies or something.

[sprescott1974]

don't flame me but here are a few of my interpretations of the apple homepage's latest tag line culled from the posts of others:

1. The iMac with the removeable flat panel display harkens ideas of the saucer/nacelle seperation capabilities of Enterprise-D from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

2. There are a lot of places that the PC has yet to go, because it has yet to be integrated into the digital lifestyle tht Jobs has been touting for the past few years. Almost every PC (meaning personal computer, not windoze box) has been resigned to desks/home office areas. It woul dtake something very revolutionary to move the PC into other areas of our lives. Apple is just the company to do it.

3. I've read on other sites that the much rumored iPad is best described as a Star Trek PADD-esque device. Given the new tag line, this idea could have some credibility.

All in all I think that number 2 is the most likely. Remember Apple thought that iPod would be instantly recognizable as a revolutionary device and although a lot of people would agree that it is just that, for most people it takes a bit of squinting to see it's true impact on the digtal hub/lifestyle idea. That said it is very plausible that Apple is starting up another hype machine simply because they believe in whatever it is they have been working on in Cupertino over the past however many months, a perspective that is very often skewed without the general public's thought processes taken into consideration. Segway anyone?

[Mr. Likeable]

Posted at another site:

A WRISTWATCH


OK, this is pure speculation, but it's right out there, and it's Apple elegant (well, I think so). I declare that:
1. I have absolutely no inside information, and more importantly:
2. I have never once been right before.

Here's my "out there" guess:

Count the days, count the minutes... (as a watch does)
Go where no PC has gone before... (on a wrist - straight out of Sci-Fi movies, too)
Way beyond the rumor sites... (that never stop plugging an Apple hand-held PDA - worn the wrist is way beyond hand-held)
Backstage pass to the future... (lets you know where to go and how to get there to be in the right place for your future)

ALSO:
"We've been working closely with Palm lately..." (get the app right so we can release the coup de grace)
"PDAs are not a good place to be right now..." (they are about to become redundant...)

It's a wristwatch. Like the iPod, it needs no input except by synchronised firewire (?? - port too big - ??), and it means that your wristwatch can display:
Your full address book
Your to-do list (which can even be "ticked off" using a simple button)
Your appointments
The time!... (now that's seriously radical!) and date
...and it gets updated every night when you take it off for bed, or every morning when you get in the shower, or every time you walk past your infra-red port.

It's not for data entry, just for data recall. I'll buy one.

Now, I'll stop this nonsense.

Alternatively, if I've got it right, you shall all refer to me as "Oh Masterful One" whenever abusing me in future. (Abuse is fine, keep it friendly.)

Now I'll really stop this nonsense.

Edited by AJB on 01/04/02 03:01 AM.

[jetson]

we should be thinking about servers....

what about a rack mounted apple server with quad processors so powerful that would simply turn into dust the stuff we have out there?

just a thought....

[agreenster]

A wristwatch! Thats the funniest one Ive heard yet!

[georgemasters]

I was thinking about Apple's latest slogans and like many of you wondered about them in a literal sense. Considering this- and my observations of the irda port on the iwalk device (often used for wireless internet access), the comment on OS rumors about 10.1.2 including an irda software enchancment, recent
updates to security of Airport 2 software (a major hurdle for wireless web) and their current agreement with earthlink reminded me of this page:

http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/

Dated October 2001 the story talks about a 6 to 9 month period after the initial 12 month test period where 544 g4 servers would be launched into space providing wireless web- and allowing mac users affordable wireless internet access everywhere including the most remote locations, something NT and Linux has yet to accompolish. Could SF be a glimpse, dare I say, backstage pass into the future of the Mac? Would this
go beyond (literally read as thousands of miles beyond) the rumor sites and into a low earth orbit and across the globe? It would take a greatly accelerated time table than the one laid out in this story along with a pre-announcement from Steve. Exciting to think that this is something apple is working on and will be here one day if not this January.

T-Minus 3 Days and counting.

[Argo1000]

OK, enough Star Trek....

1. It is NOT the G5 - unless Apple has been doing a LOT of secret dev work to take advantage of the new G5 architecture, there would be no advantage (and a lot higher cost) in going to the G5 right now...stay tuned for MWNY this summer for a major demo and fall release date.

2. It is NOT a bigger Cinema display... 22" is just about as big as you'd ever want a computer monitor, and the LAST thing Apple would ever do is to get into the insanely competitive consumer TV marketplace.

3. It is NOT the holodeck or the transporter, either...

So what IS it?? I think a combination of things, all with a 'Where no PC has gone before' theme ...

1. All Macs move to G4, with faster speeds on the top models (well over 1GHz, probably). With the upcoming PhotoShop for OS/X, a 1GHz+ Mac would KILL a 2GHz Winbox running the current PC PhotoShop 6. So...SPEED where no PC has gone before...

2. Flat-panel iMac -- very small, light weight, easy to move from room to room, connecting to the net with AirPort (with the hub at a new lower price). G4 chip, maybe wireless keyboard and sound outputs for a stereo(?) So... go to ROOMS in your home where no PC has gone before...

3. POSSIBLY an Apple-label iPod/Palm combination, like the 'iWalk' (terrible name) videos we've seen. Basically a Sony-built Clie PDA combined with the iPod. The videos look real -- Apple ALWAYS has a bunch of neat prototypes floating around, but the build/finish quality is rarely that good on internal prototypes.
So...go out into the world with your Mac/Palm (well, this is not exactly 'where no PC has gone before').

If this Apple/Palm is real, watch out for a high price... $500+ US, and the market for PDAs now is BRUTAL. Don't know about this one... Apple still remembers Newton - great idea, too expensive, too early...It would be cool, though, to get some of the Enterprise cast (Scott Bakkula) to intro it, though, or maybe Jeff Goldblum with Vulcan ears ..

Other miscellaneous bits .... DVD/CD-RW drives on every new Mac, more memory, FireWire 2/USB 2 interfaces and (hopefully) a much faster bus on the top models to match those faster G4s ...

We'll see Monday...

[AppleJunkie]

I Went to http://www.apple.com and it said :

"NICE TRY SPYMAC YOU WERE CLOSE. NOT"

I refreshed and i went away?

[ob]

http://www.edit.ne.jp/~chop/siryo/fr-newmac.html

The designs look like photoshop but...

look at the brochure!?! a brochure??!!??

It doesn't get bigger but...what is it??

It looks like its from the apple website with port pictures etc

??

[Yuk-Monkey]

oooooooooooooooohhhhh, that looks pretty radical! Nice job on the Photoshop. Wish I could get a close-up, but maybe we can't for good reason! (like it's fake)If not then back to my previous comment of -- oooooooooooooooooooohhhhh :)

[SPG]

c'mon people, that was a bad fake months ago and is still a bad fake today.

[maceye]

The only things im absoluty sure:

1. Its a device
2. Its lifestyle
3. Its easy
4. works in sinc with a MAC.

Enought for me. I want one

[georgemasters]

While the idea of a totally wireless computer is very jobian, the G5 sphere is indeed a fake...

http://www.decepticons.org/~starscream/g5sphere/g5sphere.pdf

[Yuk-Monkey]

Okay am I mistaken or did the slogan at apple.com add "BOLDLY" recently?? I seem to recall it only saying "to go where no pc has gone" earlier without "boldly" in it. Haven't checked the official site much today until just now so maybe this is old news. Anyone? What does the change mean?

[traffic]

wasn't it apple's 25 anniversary just a couple days ago.
could the rumoured $1800 pricetag be for a 25 anniversary mac/imac.
perhaps some new tech that would be a backstage pass to the future of computing or where no pc has gone before
anyways most of you seem to be smoking crack or something with all these huge dreams of 2.ghz g5s.
apple makes great computers period. they might not be the ultimate in geeky games, but they are great in video editing, music, photography. find me a pc that can do what a newer mac does with those things as easy as a mac does it.
as for predictions
powermac will break the ghz
there will be a new lcd mac
there will be a replacement for the imac
upgraded hardware. yes
faster bus
faster ram
faster and bigger hardrives
firewire 2
and great upgrades to apps
iphoto
imovie3 with rt compression (hopefully)
new appleworks
and the list goes on.

there will be surprises and i'm looking forward to that...

my imac dv400 w/512 ram does everything well enough for me. for the proffesional, i hope you get your supercomputer, i'm looking forward to the new apps

[georgemasters]

yes, it did add "BOLDLY."

[thomasb@mac.com]

How about a G5 with the Apple/AMD HyperTransport Bus So the bus keeps up with the 1.8Ghz porcessor

[jamka]

i bet it's a mind controlled mac. they have done it bofore. i read it in popular science, you put on a hat thingy and the computer reads your brain waves. then you can set specific wave patterns to things on your comp. so you could think internet....and it would open ie or something.

apple probably wont have it, but i thaught i'd throw it out any way

[Proc]

It's confirmed. They are releasing a special version of American McGee's Alice which was never released for PC. In this version, Alice shoots machinegun bullets out of her a$$hole!

[idoru1135]

I believe it will be a "tablet" I-Mac; a cross between an I-Book and the new flat screen I-Mac everyone has been talking about. I'm sure it will run OS-X and have Firewire/Airport. The "docking" base will come w/ different drive options and a keyboard and mouse. It will have a touch screen/stylus and handwriting recognition.

[2]

anybody noticed that apple's site now states "to BOLDLY go wher no PC has gone before"?

[thinmann]

i love it!!!!!!!!!

[DDMaKeeg]

This has to be refering to a PC being at Macworld and running OS X.

No PC has ever run a Mac OS. This has to be it!

Cant wait till Monday!

[Zenith]

apple.com is down...

[DDMaKeeg]

I'vd had no problems viewing apple.com

Still working.

------------------------
It's got to be OS X on an Intel box

[Yuk-Monkey]

Apple.com is not down. It is fine.

[Zenith]

I just navigated through the forum and to "Article Discussion". This thread had 10045 views when i first loaded the page... so... I did a reload! and just a mere second after 10068 had viewed the thread.. funny, isn't it?? i need some sleep...

-Z

[Zenith]

i can't reach apple at all! not the international server nor the local...

[Yuk-Monkey]

Is this why Jobs decided to make the announcement a day early??? http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-8364289.html?tag=pt.msnbc.feed..ne_8364289

[reyesg4]

In my living room, right next to my TV. I want to be able to hook up my Mac to my TV, VCR, and Stereo Speakers, that way, I can:

play iTunes thru the speakers

play Quake X on my TV

play DVD's on my TV

Record Video from my VCR

I want to detatch my mac from my screen and make it into a TiVo or VCR type device. Its possible, but is the world willing to spend over a $1,000 on the device? It would not be just a computer anymore.

I hate getting into the guessing game that apple makes me get into before every Mac world. I thought the iPod was great, but the price killed it for me. I hope this does not happen with whatever they bring out on monday.

[burger011]

This tablet rumor better not be the device that "BOLDLY goes were no PC has gone before" because Gates already introduced a tablet.

Also check out IBM's net vista. That computer is the screen, so a flat LCD iMac will not be the "device". I really think its something that none of us have any idea about.

So Im saying no way in hell is the "new" device a PDA or Tablet computer. Thats been all over the rumor sights and Gates has already developed one.
I'm sticking with the idea of molecular processors. There a million times faster then anything else and there VERY small. I know its crazy, but its more likely then that iWalk thing.

If it is a tablet or PDA that will take us "boldly" somewhere then it better of some serious capabilities otherwise AAPL will suffer big.

[mcbane]

I myself am hoping for a dual g5 1.6ghz tower (new model), of course there is no way in hell this is going to happen. I would be content if they went with dual g4 apollo 1.2ghz. One thing I hope they do also is come up with a better mouse. I mean come on apple, get with the program, 1 button mice are a thing of the past, at least for powermac towers.

[burger011]

"Bringing Reality and Fantasy TOGETHER."

[russ192]

MindComet Announces Three Strategic Business Alliances
Business Wire - January 04, 2002 08:59

ORLANDO, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 4, 2002--MindComet Corporation, the recognized leader of broadband website and new media development, announced the completion of several key business alliances today. The company has successfully executed strategic agreements with Adobe, Apple Computer and Macromedia. "We are extremely pleased with our newly formed relationships," commented Ted Murphy, MindComet President/CEO. "We believe each of our new business alliances represent strong relationships with the respective leaders in their industry."

Adobe (Nasdaq:ADBE) accepted MindComet as part of its exclusive Adobe Solution Network, recognizing the company for its mastery of Adobe products in the realm of digital and print media.

Apple Computer (Nasdaq:AAPL) designated MindComet as Apple Solution Experts based on the systems and solutions MindComet has implemented around the Apple Macintosh platform.

Macromedia (Nasdaq:MACR) awarded MindComet with its exclusive Macromedia Alliance Partner designation. The company has recognized MindComet's expertise with Macromedia's Flash, Director and DreamWeaver product lines.

"This represents a huge leap forward for our company," said Murphy. "These agreements will provide MindComet with access to a new level of technology and services, allowing us to better serve current and future clients." The alliances will grant MindComet with pre-release hardware and software for testing and development purposes.

[adam1234]

Look at the Apple main page now! It says:
Nice try SpyMac. You were close. Not.

I can't believe it! Is it just me, or do we see some of the old Apple spirit back?

Anyway, this is the most hyped Macworld I can remember. Can't wait!

[Phat Joe]

I know the console market has been ventured into by m$ but what a merger between Nintendo and Apple? Nintendo is the only gaming company that produces only consoles and games for them making them weak compared to Sony and m$. So it's possible don't you think?

[mischief]

Mac ISP. Apple will release a new deal. Have Airport, will travel. Go look at Adobe Atmosphere. How would you like to have your data available anywhere, seamlessly and without connectivity hassles?

[trilogic]

Originally posted by adam1234
Look at the Apple main page now! It says:
Nice try SpyMac. You were close. Not.

I can't believe it! Is it just me, or do we see some of the old Apple spirit back?

Anyway, this is the most hyped Macworld I can remember. Can't wait!

That is not the official Apple Site - you clicked on the second link "and a little rumor here"

[SPG]

Originally posted by mischief
Mac ISP. Apple will release a new deal. Have Airport, will travel. Go look at Adobe Atmosphere. How would you like to have your data available anywhere, seamlessly and without connectivity hassles?

Hmmm...could be.
I've heard this floated before as part of the networked PC instead of the standard desktop model we've had for the past decade. It would be bold too, since only major corporations and universities have been the only ones to even consider going this route until now.
Think of it. A trimmed down cheap appliance that wirelessly accesses all it's software and data. No need for big storage just ultra broadband.

[networkman]

iapple,

i don't really know if os x does usb printer sharing since i run os 9

...but sign up for free at experts-exchange.com and ask "weed" and i am sure he will know...he's the next best thing to woz in the apple universe as far as i am concerned

thanks and good luck,
networkman

[Argo1000]

Ok... a few more NOTs ....

1. NOT OS/X running on a Wintel box. My guess is that Steve Jobs would have to be dead and buried TWICE before that would happen. And I can't see the Dark Lords over at Microsoft letting it happen too easily, and they control which OS Office will run on.

2. NOT another horribly doomed net appliance. We've had a dozen of them ALL crash and burn over the past two years. Apple is probably not that stupid.

3. NOT G5 (See my earlier posting. Nothing has changed since then.)

4. NOT just another generic PDA. If there IS a PDA introduced, it will have to be GREAT, combining iPod and Palm, be COMPLETELY compatible with WinDoze as well as Macs (so probably USB standard, with FireWire as an option, since FireWire is still not common on PCs) and compettively priced (around $399). That will be very tough for Apple (or anybody else). Sony or many other Asian manufacturers could build it easily, but not at that retail price point. If they come in at a higher price point they run into the Win2002 pocket PCs. They'll have to price it just right ...

5. NOT just an iMac with an LCD screen. We'll need more neat stuff on it to really sell well against the other LCD-based desktops. Apple need more breakout products like iPod, not just more stuff to sell to Mac lovers. Just watch iPod sales take off when they drop the price by $100 later this year and when the various Windows software packages are all available for it.

See my earlier post (p.7 of this thread, I think) for what I think it will be...

Now the 'boldly' has me assuming that the Enterprise cast WILL be on hand Monday....

Hmmm ...... Live long and prosper!
:-)

[Mnemosyne]

This is just more speculation, but I do know that Intel's 2.4Ghz processors are scheduled to be released this January. Possibly Apple has reached 2.4Ghz (however unlikely that may be), and has pushed up the keynote one day to be one day ahead of the release of the 2.4Ghz P4's at Comdex?
I don't know for sure that they are being released at Comdex, but it would make sense, considering that they are supposedly starting to ship in January. And that would fit with the "going where no PC has gone before"....

Just more speculation...

[Argo1000]

Hi Steve (and Woz, probably...);

I bet you're watching all this.

Amusing, no?

Have fun Monday.

[iapple]

Originally posted by Mr. Likeable
Posted at another site:

A WRISTWATCH


OK, this is pure speculation, but it's right out there, and it's Apple elegant (well, I think so). I declare that:
1. I have absolutely no inside information, and more importantly:
2. I have never once been right before.

Here's my "out there" guess:

Count the days, count the minutes... (as a watch does)
Go where no PC has gone before... (on a wrist - straight out of Sci-Fi movies, too)
Way beyond the rumor sites... (that never stop plugging an Apple hand-held PDA - worn the wrist is way beyond hand-held)
Backstage pass to the future... (lets you know where to go and how to get there to be in the right place for your future)

ALSO:
"We've been working closely with Palm lately..." (get the app right so we can release the coup de grace)
"PDAs are not a good place to be right now..." (they are about to become redundant...)

It's a wristwatch. Like the iPod, it needs no input except by synchronised firewire (?? - port too big - ??), and it means that your wristwatch can display:
Your full address book
Your to-do list (which can even be "ticked off" using a simple button)
Your appointments
The time!... (now that's seriously radical!) and date
...and it gets updated every night when you take it off for bed, or every morning when you get in the shower, or every time you walk past your infra-red port.

It's not for data entry, just for data recall. I'll buy one.

Now, I'll stop this nonsense.

Alternatively, if I've got it right, you shall all refer to me as "Oh Masterful One" whenever abusing me in future. (Abuse is fine, keep it friendly.)

Now I'll really stop this nonsense.

Edited by AJB on 01/04/02 03:01 AM.


Now, I must admit, when I first read your ppost, I thought what the hell is this guy going on about!
BUT, the quotes from the Apple.com page do make sense if it is a wristwatch..
Maybe it is..
Because I still believe there is something else besides the imac and other speed bumps..

[iapple]

Originally posted by Argo1000
Ok... a few more NOTs ....

1. NOT OS/X running on a Wintel box. My guess is that Steve Jobs would have to be dead and buried TWICE before that would happen. And I can't see the Dark Lords over at Microsoft letting it happen too easily, and they control which OS Office will run on.

2. NOT another horribly doomed net appliance. We've had a dozen of them ALL crash and burn over the past two years. Apple is probably not that stupid.

3. NOT G5 (See my earlier posting. Nothing has changed since then.)

4. NOT just another generic PDA. If there IS a PDA introduced, it will have to be GREAT, combining iPod and Palm, be COMPLETELY compatible with WinDoze as well as Macs (so probably USB standard, with FireWire as an option, since FireWire is still not common on PCs) and compettively priced (around $399). That will be very tough for Apple (or anybody else). Sony or many other Asian manufacturers could build it easily, but not at that retail price point. If they come in at a higher price point they run into the Win2002 pocket PCs. They'll have to price it just right ...

5. NOT just an iMac with an LCD screen. We'll need more neat stuff on it to really sell well against the other LCD-based desktops. Apple need more breakout products like iPod, not just more stuff to sell to Mac lovers. Just watch iPod sales take off when they drop the price by $100 later this year and when the various Windows software packages are all available for it.

See my earlier post (p.7 of this thread, I think) for what I think it will be...

Now the 'boldly' has me assuming that the Enterprise cast WILL be on hand Monday....

Hmmm ...... Live long and prosper!
:-)


Sorry for the double post..
I also think that "just speed" is not enough to make people buy. I mean how often do consumers think "Man, I just can't live without 2.4 GHz!" There's gotta be some amazing function involving Airport/Gigawire, or something so unique that we can't even imagine to REALLY BLOW US AWAY!
JUST breaking the GHz barrier, or reaching 2GHz isn't enough to make the public pay for the "Thing".

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Do you want to run your car at 470 miles per hour or have air condition?

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[ReyJames5]

Well you guys remember the one post saying they thought it might be a wrist watch? Well, this is really wierd but last night i had a dream that i was at the mall and i had just BOUGHT the NEW APPLE WRIST WATCH! I just thought it was a strange coincidence. Anyway, we'll all see very soon.

[sjestus]

Mac OS X for Intel systems! It has to be that. I mean the saying "to BOLDLY go where no PC has gone before"
There saying the "PC" has never seen the "Power of X" which is the feature presentation monday.

This was taken from the macworld website.

"Feature Presentation*- Just Announced! "

"Monday, January 7
Power of X - a presentation on the world's most advanced operating system!"



Apple isn't coming out with any G5s (well maybe) but they are going to blow away Windows XP out of its own territory which is why M$ came out with the XBOX so they could make all the money back with the losses Apple gave them. Thats the PUNCH in the stomach that Bill Gates deserves after stealing ALL of Apples ideas.


Get ready for all around mac os baby!!!!!!!




[Edited by sjestus on 01-05-2002 at 02:59 AM]

[iapple]

I think the wrist watch IS kind of a ridiculous idea (but I must say it does take some courage to write something like that) but it DOES match the slogans on Apple's website..
What Mr. Likeable posted earlier does make sense..

But.. being more realistic.

1. Definitely SOME new iMac-ish thing. Probably LCD display, Could be a tablet, something wireless (airport/gigawire) to connect other electric equipment--aka Digital hub

2. Almost definitely a new PowermacG4 (almost no possibility of G5) and probably breaking the GHz barrier after all the sorrow of MWNY last year. (1.2DP,1.4would be nice..)
possibly USB2, Firewire2 if we're lucky, faster system bus, faster ram etc. (I hope there is a new case..)
AND yes there will be another shootout with Pentium4 2GHz

3. Possible revision of iBook (probably not Powerbook because of combo revision so recently) iBook might have new colors, combo drive standard, and maybe up to 700MHz (since the iMac will get a speed bump)

4. Some new digital hub divice, probably not iCam (the hardware) but something else. This could be the same as the iMac though..

5. iPhoto software

6. a Mac OSX 10.2 preview is possible, a minor update will probably be there to accomodate new hardware

7. Photoshop X may be released or at least be previewed (for the shootout too..)

8. Steve will talk about the retail stores and how well they are doing

9. Software demonstrations, photoshop, games etc

10. Appleworks 7 should be released because the present one is painful to use under OSX.

11. Remote possibiliby of iPod revision, the remote that was rumored and price cuts may occur (maybeee 10GB?)

This is what I've basically concluded so far, and guys, give me some feedback.

[pimentoLoaf]

It's like I said on another thread (more or less):

Apple has fixed all the bugs in Windows3.1...

To boldly go where no PC has gone before. (That is, a crash-proof version of Windows.)

OS X on a PC is a possibility -- after all, didn't Jobs call a truce with Gates back when he was iCEO?

[reyesg4]

I just dont think that there are guys at Apple that would try to give away what they will show by giving out clues in the slogans. I think they will show something that will technically fit in the slogans, but it will just do something that we can already do with other products in an easier way. It's like the whole supercomputer thing, they said supercomputer power but Intel sped past the first G4's in a less than a year. Nobody will think their G4 400 will be a supercomputer when they see the iMac is faster than the first G4's.
Since I am writing something here I will ad my wish of a computer. One that I can take the CDRW/HD out of it and use it on the go. That way I can take my work with me and not have it tied to my home computer. Sure beats having to buy a tower and a notebook.

[MacSOS]

WOW! "Guest was right.....Steve? :-)

[dricci]

We have a leaker in the forum! That "guest" was right about today's!

[wHo_tHe]

No, he just set his clock ahead and then visited apple.com to see the new message. Duh.

Uh, that was a joke.

G5 PowerMacs + G4 iMacs + 1ghz G3 iBooks at MWSF.

Cheers!

[Guest]

"...boldly go...", "...lust factor ten..."

Hmmmmm...

That's two Star Trek references in a row.

A long WALK would be a TREK.

Maybe there IS an Apple PDA, but instead of iWalk, it's iTrek.

Anyone know if the name iTrek is copyrighted?

[BigKidInAtl]

I'm going with my predictions from early Dec.

The biggest thing will be a PDA named iPad (Star Trek uses PADD's so the name is in line) with a larger screen than normal PDAs at $499

or...

OSX for PC's.
(with a disclaimer for performance issues for odd components)

or...

New PowerMacs now run using Motorola, Intel, AMD chips.

Dudes...
Motorola IS laying off 9,400 people, so they must know something is coming. With a layoff like that can they really be counted on to make faster super chips everyone's speculating about.


and a side bet is Jobs rides out on a Segway!!!

[blakespot]

I think we've discovered what is coming.

"To boldly go where no PC has gone before."

It seems so clear to me now... (http://www.sleeplessknights.com/Pages/ipix.html)



blakespot

[blakespot]

1984 Commercial (http://www.sleeplessknights.com/Pages/i4.html) in the spirit of the above post...


blakespot

[JBL]

Originally posted by evanmarx
http://www.aventure-apple.com/ordis/images/spartacus.jpg

... even before the Ive era ...

Hey, if you want the full story of the Spartacus / 20th anniversary Mac, go to http://www.aventure-apple.com/ordis/anniversary.html and read the story of the first flat-panel desktop mac !

(that's where the picture was taken by evanmarx)

[tonylorentzen]

Check out:

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/89fd7ada69ddb5/www.apple.com/home/images/12/mwsf02_toboldlygo.gif

Yeah!

Rgds,
Tony

[iloveMac]

I believe we will see a G5 processor at a speed we will never think of. This will go along with the statement "No PC has gone before" and "Full speed ahead".

Furthermore, we know Apple is a graphics and video computer, and a majority of there customers are graphics professionals. It would make since for them to listen to there customer compliants as to a more advance LCD display that will display higher resolution for high end desktop publishing and other high end graphic or movie production. This will keep the customer base within Apple without resorting them to buy an off brand display which would be an ugly companion with an Apple system.

In conclusion, we will se the introduction of the G5 coupled with a new far advance Cinema Display.

[iloveMac]

Folks, Apple has given us a hint. "No PC has gone before". Well, pc's has reached the following mark.

1 Gig
1.2 Gig
1.4 Gig
1.6 gig
1.8 Gig

And soon if not already release. 2 gig. ( I don't keep up with intel chip speed). Why would they release something that has already been on the market?

This is why I think we will see something that will blow us away. Think back 1984. The whole world was shocked, And it's about to happen again folks. Apple has confidence they will.

[Durandal7]

Here we go, now im posting on the right topic.
I think Gigawire will be the new standard. I have always looked forward to an Apple Wireless Bus one of these days, it may have come sooner then I expected. It would be interesting if one day all periphials operated wirelessly.

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by iloveMac
Folks, Apple has given us a hint. "No PC has gone before". Well, pc's has reached the following mark.

1 Gig
1.2 Gig
1.4 Gig
1.6 gig
1.8 Gig

And soon if not already release. 2 gig. ( I don't keep up with intel chip speed). Why would they release something that has already been on the market?

This is why I think we will see something that will blow us away. Think back 1984. The whole world was shocked, And it's about to happen again folks. Apple has confidence they will.




Pentium is up in above 2GHz!

[anonymous]

Duh, its a Danger, inc. hiptop device... go to http://www.danger.com and check it out... apple is aquiring it, and also go to http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/
to see the network thos hiptops will be on... it makes perfect sense, and technically it is a PC, because it is personal and technically it is a computer

[Buggy]

Put 2 x 1.5gig chips together and you get 3 gigs.. It doesn't have to be one chip.

(not talking specifics here just the concept of multi chips) ----needed to say that before everyone starts ragging on "the 1.5 gis chip will not a happen it will be 1.466gigs, " but then the next post will be " will they round the 1.466 chip to 1.5 or down to 1.4....) etc. etc.

[Spock]

Macworld 2002
-Holodeck
-Tricorder
-Replicators