Mac OS X 10.3.7 Update

[MacRumors]

As rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/12/20041214014441.shtml), Apple released Mac OS X 10.3.7 today. It it available via Software Update. Standlone installers are also available: the 10.3.6 to 10.3.7 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate_10_3_7.html) update for Mac OS X 10.3.6 and the Combined Update (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxcombinedupdate_10_3_7.html) for Mac OS X 10.3 through 10.3.6.The 10.3.7 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users.Key enhancements include:
* improved AFP support for saving documents with long file names
* improved OpenGL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
* improved FireWire device compatibility
* updated Preview application
* improved compatibility for third party applications
* previous standalone security updates
Details (http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n300385) are available in the Apple Knowledge Base.

Mac OS X 10.3.6 was released (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/11/20041105163119.shtml) in November.

[keysersoze]

It supposedly fixes a number of WOW issues.

[Zaty]

No problems so far

[afields]

OMG TEH SAFARRI IS MUCH FASTER!



Just kidding. Works fine here.

[ASP272]

Oh no! The world's going to end! I'm updating immediately without checking this forum for problems first! Oh no! {extreme sarcasm} :rolleyes:

No problems whatsoever. :)

[IJ Reilly]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

[Doctor Q]

A friendly reminder about Apple's warnings:

Important: Please read before installing

* If you have a third-party FireWire hard drive connected, turn it off and disconnect it before installing this update. Reconnect it and turn it back on after installation is complete and you've restarted.

* You may experience unexpected results if you have installed third-party system software modifications, or if you have modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)

* The installation process should not be interrupted. If a power outage or other interruption occurs during installation, use the standalone installer from Apple Downloads to update.

[fatbarstard]

Apple can get 10.3.8 and 10.3.9 away before running out of 'room'... note that 10.2 went through to 10.2.8 before 10.3 came out so if history is a past guide then expect at least one more 10.3 release before Tiger moves into view.

Haven't downloaded it yet - just wants to get into the first 10 replies.... :D

[MoparShaha]

I've updated. No problems on 12" 1 GHz.

[holbie]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

My inside sources say that Apple will release Tiger after 10.3.9.1.1

:)

[keysersoze]

A friendly reminder about Apple's warnings:

I am assuming that includes CandyBar.

Guess I should uninstall that...

[quagmire]

Can anyone found if Powerbook 7,1 and 7,2 are back in 10.3.7?

[autopilot]

OMG TEH SAFARRI IS MUCH FASTER!




i wish :(

how long ago was the 10.3.6 update released?

[Zaty]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

Why is that? Although 10.3.7 came pretty soon after 10.3.6, the usual cycle for updates was 2-3 months. So if Apple keeps it that way, 10.3.8 will be out in mid to late February and 10.3.9 in early May. :)

[mcarnes]

CRASHED MY POWERBOOK! ERASED MY HOME FOLDER! iTUNES NO LONGER WORKS! ALL MY iPHOTO PICTURES ARE GONE! HAVING TO RESTART IS SO FRICKIN LAME!

I'm kidding of course. Had to beat the newbies to it. ;)

[Stella]

Every thing seems well on mine.

Apple have plenty of room for versions numbers:
10.3.9
10.3.10
10.3.11
10.3.12
and so on...

The sub version numbers don't stop at 9
:eek:
All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

[ijimk]

sweet anythingg that helps out WoW im all for it. I am so addicted!!!! Night elf Hunters PWN!!!!! :D

[Mtn Tamale]

Still can't print the last dozen .pdfs I've downloaded from various sources to my HP 7960. When is Apple going to finally make printing robust in OS X? I'm getting a bit fed up.

[jmsait19]

does this fix the battery life issue on some laptops? i'm down to 1.5 hours on a full charge after upgrading to 10.3.6. If this doesn't fix it i may try to revert to 10.3.5.

[dotmike]

Every thing seems well on mine.

Apple have plenty of room for versions numbers:
10.3.9
10.3.10
10.3.11
10.3.12
and so on...

The sub version numbers don't stop at 9
:eek:

Good point. They're not normal numbers because there are two decimal points in there anyway.

majorversion.minorversion.subversion

[pounce]

putting it on the powerbook now, if it's kosher it'll go on the dual 2.5 later today. i have a session soon, though, and i don't do os updates right before a session :)

[jbembe]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

Actually, there are infinitely more. Glad to see more free updates since I'm not too sure how Tiger might help/not help my iMac 700mhz G4 machine.

[Rod Rod]

Apple says 10.3.7 includes previous security updates. That's true, but it doesn't include two of them:

Security Update 2004-09-16
Security Update 2004-10-27

The other thing 10.3.7 does not include is Java 1.4.2 Update 2.

I just opened up a brand new 14" iBook and I'm applying all the updates right now.

Just to clarify, those two security updates and the java update showed up in my software update AFTER I installed 10.3.7, upon restarting the computer.

[AmigoMac]

it's on the way... I just bought a new HD for backups... hope they have it fine with the firewire connection...

[obeygiant]

UPDATE SMUPDATE

I'm still running os 6.7.2 on my Mac Classic!

you and your fancy smancy jaguar G5s.
If 80mhz wont do it, you dont need it!!!!!

[tf23]

On my 1.25GHz 15"PB all seems to be OK with it installed.

[swissmann]

Yesterday I wiped my hard drive and reainstalled everything. Would have been nice to go right to 10.3.7 instead of to 10.3.6 and now the update. Here's to hoping all is well.

[eSnow]

UPDATE SMUPDATE

If 80mhz wont do it, you dont need it!!!!!

You young whippersnappers. The Mac Classic had a 8Mhz CPU. 80Mhz wasn't reached until the first PowerMacs. ;)

[notmenotyou]

I am assuming that includes CandyBar.

Guess I should uninstall that...

do i really have to? cos i really like my icon setting right now, i spend a lot of time to make it look this nice... :(

[Archmagination]

I am getting a Retail Radeon 9800(Mac Edition) for my Sawtooth and I was wondering if should wait to apply this update? I heard that the software update now checks your hardware configuration and gives you only what you can use.(I have a Rage Pro right now)

[Mechcozmo]

A friendly reminder about Apple's warnings:

What about repairing permissions?

Updating now, let's see what happens...

[aswitcher]

Yesterday I wiped my hard drive and reainstalled everything. Would have been nice to go right to 10.3.7 instead of to 10.3.6 and now the update. Here's to hoping all is well.


All well here as well so far.

[toughboy]

no problems so far on my 12" RevA PB

[iLikeMyiMac]

I'm having some problems with Adium. The contact window won't show up.

[wrldwzrd89]

I like the updated Preview application. I haven't encountered any trouble yet either with Mac OS X 10.3.7.

[wrldwzrd89]

I'm having some problems with Adium. The contact window won't show up.
Are you connected? If your buddy list is empty or all of your buddies are offline and you told Adium to hide offline buddies (depending on the style for the buddy list that you selected) the buddy list won't appear at all.

[PDubNYC]

Still can't print the last dozen .pdfs I've downloaded from various sources to my HP 7960. When is Apple going to finally make printing robust in OS X? I'm getting a bit fed up.

Have you tried dragging the files to the printer icon in your Dock? I had some trouble for a while printing PDFs created by a Citrix app. I know it sucks, but for me it did the trick.

[iLikeMyiMac]

Are you connected? If your buddy list is empty or all of your buddies are offline and you told Adium to hide offline buddies (depending on the style for the buddy list that you selected) the buddy list won't appear at all.
I restarted and that fixed it.

[sparkleytone]

Any idea if the DNS problems that PLAGUED 10.3.5-6 are fixed yet? This is by far the biggest issue that needed to be fixed, affecting at least half of all Mac users I know, and as of yet has still not been acknowledged by Apple.

edit: there it is

Resolves an issue in which Safari, Mail, and other networking applications that use DNS lookups could experience intermittent connectivity issues with Security Update 2004-09-30 and Mac OS X 10.3.5 or later installed.

[Les Kern]

My inside sources say that Apple will release Tiger after 10.3.9.1.1

:)

MINE say 10.3.9.2.1.2.7b, the one that turns off the G5's ability to play Brittney Spears and N' Sync CD's.

Seriously, I live on the edge. I just started updating 14 Xserves to 10.3.7 sight unseen. Call me an idiot, or call me a fool, but I have a good feeling about this update. If I crash and burn, anybody need a new tech director?

[al256]

After updating I no longer have a desktop. I can open up winders and my desktop fold seems to be intact with all the objects in it but I have no icons and the little triangle below the finder isn't there. I'm gonna restart and post if there is any change. I'm running a 1.5ghz PB with a 15" screen.

[swissmann]

Just did the update on my G5 which I just wiped clean and started over with yesterday. Of course the wiping clean made everything way better and because this is all I have been doing for the last 24 hours I have a lot of time on just checking stability and "snappiness" of everything. So far (though tough to tell conclusively) I am liking 10.3.7 better. UT2003 seems more fluid. Window openening seems smoother and quicker. iDVD seems to open quicker and show the menu animation a bit more fluidly. Nothing seems broken. (Not everything tested of course.) So far so good though. :)

[markoibook]

Everything ok here - even feels quicker and snappier on my iBook G3 700Mhz

:)

[swissmann]

I am getting a Retail Radeon 9800(Mac Edition) for my Sawtooth and I was wondering if should wait to apply this update? I heard that the software update now checks your hardware configuration and gives you only what you can use.(I have a Rage Pro right now)

I don't know about that checking. In the past there have been different size updates depending on the last update you had but it seems to me that they have maybe a few different update packages but not so specific as to check all the hardware configs etc. If you aren't having any problems now though I would wait until you install the new card. A few days shouldn't kill you.

[al256]

After restarting the dock shows the finder is launched but still no desktop icons. I'm just waiting to hear from anyone else. This is the latest PowerBook with the 9700 Radeon and 128mb of VRAM.

[Xtremehkr]

If Apple doesn't release a 10.3.9 before going to 10.4 I am going to feel horribly incomplete.

I formally request a little wink icon. ;-)

[thecombatwombat]

Fixed my issues with 10.3.6. DVD Player would cause my CRT display to flicker if it was running in a window or full-screen on my powerbooks display. Also the info wouldn't go away regardless of what the preferences were set to. The display doesn't flicker anymore, still had to delete the DVD Player prefs plist file to get the info window to go away. Did anyone else have these issues? I can't find a reference to them anywhere.

Also it supposedly fixed a bug where unplugging devices/even leaving firewire devices plugged in while the powerbook slept would cause it to not wake up properly. I know unplugging my external monitor while the book was sleeping has caused it to freak out forever, that would be a nice fix. Also I have an isight on order, so hopefully that's a problem I just won't have to deal with.

[markoibook]

BTW, boot up time seems quicker than 10.3.6 too!

[Santaduck]

just curious: someone count the days between today and the next WoW update.

btw was apple specific as to which ati/nvidia/opengl fixes were made? url?

[titaniumducky]

does this fix the battery life issue on some laptops? i'm down to 1.5 hours on a full charge after upgrading to 10.3.6. If this doesn't fix it i may try to revert to 10.3.5.

I'm not sure that's a common issue...

Well, I haven't heard about it. I have a PB and so does my friend; we're both running 10.3.6 without issues (although we're plugged in a lot).

[iomar]

Ok.. should I update or not? I guess I will wait one day before updating. I love updates and I am always the first but this time.. let me wait a day!

[Faraday]

Does this update include native support for the Pioneer DVR-108 ??

[Noiseboy]

I know it doesn't say anything about an iSync update but it does mention better Bluetooth support for mobile phones, my question being has anyone with a Nokia 7610 discovered that they can now iSync? I shouldn't install this update until it's qualified by Digidesign but I'm going crazy waiting for iSync support for syncML synchronization.
Unfortunately the Apple support discussions forums have been down for hours so I can't tell from there. :(

[timnosenzo]

Updated, seems to be working fine.

Does Apple always issue that warning about FW HDD's being connected during updates? Either way, all is well.

[BakedBeans]

thought i would pop in and say all is gooooooood with my powerbook, feels a little faster in safari ( might just be my strange brain :D )

[pascalpp]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

Man, 10.3.7 is shnappy! I can't wait for 10.3.10!!

[heaven]

Just installed the update on my PB, everything is perfect!
The whole system seems to be a little faster

Thank you Apple! http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/legionxs/wavey.gif

[nagromme]

Were rumors of better framerates in games true? Any UT 2004 results?

I'm giving this one a couple days... I never did install 10.3.6.

[bdkennedy1]

Is it me or are my apps opening faster? Don't notice any speed increase in Safari.

[SiliconAddict]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

Why? If there are any critical issues or patches other then security Apple can release 10.3.7.1 .2 .3 etc. With another major update in early 1st quarter.

[Falleron]

10.3.7 has broken C&C Generals for me :-(

[heaven]

Is it me or are my apps opening faster? Don't notice any speed increase in Safari.

No, same here... the apps open way faster than after the previous updates..
But maybe its because the installer cleared the cache and optimised the HD :confused: Any thoughts?

The funny thing is also, that firefox is working much faster than before the update

[NEENAHBOY]

I totally agree. iChat's been especially fast for me.

[heyjp]

After the update my Que! 100MByte drive mounts MUCH quicker. In 10 seconds instead of 30 seconds, a minute or NEVER. Often had to start and stop the drive a couple of times or reboot my mac to get it to show up.

Also, I always had trouble with DV video captures sitting on the hard drive. I could open in QT MoviePlayer and scrub the video no problem. But if I hit play .... bye bye. WOuld hang up. Now plays fine!

Me likee.

Jim

[guyute]

I am definately getting better frame rates in World of Warcraft. It is now at a more expected level. Before the frame rates were horrible.

[Nikko1965]

does this fix the battery life issue on some laptops? i'm down to 1.5 hours on a full charge after upgrading to 10.3.6. If this doesn't fix it i may try to revert to 10.3.5.

I've been avoiding the ordeal of downgrading on the hope that 10.3.lucky7 fixes my battery problem. I'll let you know tomorrow as I'm on a slow download AND I just got back from the pub.

Cheers,

Nick

[gMac]

OMG! The Snapper seems much Findier!

[MattG]

It's all good on my PBG4, PMG5, and Xserve G5!

[Archmagination]

I am definately getting better frame rates in World of Warcraft. It is now at a more expected level. Before the frame rates were horrible.

Can you tell us your system specs and the framrates you are getting now?(Maybe tell us the framerates you were getting before too?)

[funkycheesywhit]

Anyone here know if this fixes the internal bluetooth problem on new G5 iMacs. Often the bluetooth module is not activated. Must usually do a restart or 2 to get the bluetooth module activated. Also I hope it fixes the printing problem (to HP Color Laser 3500) where after several printed pages the Mac loses connection to printer and only way to reestablish connection is a restart. The printing problem first began after update to 10.3.6.

[reckless_0001]

Thanks Apple! Running extremely smooth here. Any information on mLAN improvements/upgrades in 10.3.7 as previously mentioned?

[Mainyehc]

I'm running this updated version on an iMac G5 20'' 1.8GHz w/ 1.25GB of RAM, and everything definitely seems snapppier! And you know what was the first thing I tried to do? To check on the iTunes visualizer, because I still haven't installed any FPS games since I had to reinstall Panther. And... WOW! It doesn't drop frames anymore! It's finally usable, IMHO.

Besides, the updated Preview app is much better now!

If this simple update is that good, I'm starting to dream how Tiger will be :D

[guyute]

Can you tell us your system specs and the framrates you are getting now?(Maybe tell us the framerates you were getting before too?)

I was averaging around 18 fps with a dp 1.8 w/ 1.5gb ram, gforce 5200 64mb. I now get around 35 in the same areas. Definately a sweet boost.

[Laslo Panaflex]

What's the build number? I skimmed through the thread and didn't see any mention of it.

[Nikko1965]

It's gone mad. The recharge till full time is now 1:10 after being "fully charged" under 10.3.666. But it's nearly one o'clock in the morning and I've been in the pub all night at a leaving swill so I'm in no condition as to say whether it's really all OK again. Maybe tomorrow morning.

Tot straks.

Nick

[Makosuke]

I am getting a Retail Radeon 9800(Mac Edition) for my Sawtooth and I was wondering if should wait to apply this update? I heard that the software update now checks your hardware configuration and gives you only what you can use.(I have a Rage Pro right now)
I'm pretty sure all the graphics drivers get installed regardless of what is installed, but it shouldn't matter in your case anyway, since I believe ATI has a downloadable driver package specifically designed for their retail cards.

Only having a builtin, I'm not positive about that, but I seem to remember it noting that the control panel it installs gives access to features on both OEM and retail cards, but the drivers used will differ depending on whether it's an Apple OEM or ATI retail.

Doesn't hurt to install it before the card, in any case, since there are a few nice features it adds and it doesn't hurt anything.

[richc]

Updated both my 17" 1.33ghz and the wifes 12" 1.33ghz everything is good to go. So gald the DNS issue is solved!

[fatfish]

Anyone know if X.3.7 will fix my wireless keyboard, I dropped it in the sink while cleaning the keys ?

[crakly]

Powerbook 1.33Ghz:

App launches are much faster - never more than 3 bounces for Safari, iTunes, Mail etc. Window dragging and resizing are way faster - very impressed.

Only problem so far has been Preview not displaying text in PDFs exported from Illustrator - any one else experienced this?

[0s and 1s]

D'oh, upgrading to 10.3.7 erased all of the illegally d/l programs I had. No more Photoshop CS, Dreamweaver MX, or Final Cut Pro! Beware evildoers! :cool:

[fatfish]

Powerbook 1.33Ghz:

App launches are much faster - never more than 3 bounces for Safari, iTunes, Mail etc. Window dragging and resizing are way faster - very impressed.

Only problem so far has been Preview not displaying text in PDFs exported from Illustrator - any one else experienced this?

I've had this problem before X.3.7, funny thing is it seems to be there but it just don't display. I have emailed the pdf's to myself opened up the received attachment and there is the text.

[Fredstar]

Powerbook 1.33Ghz:

App launches are much faster - never more than 3 bounces for Safari, iTunes, Mail etc. Window dragging and resizing are way faster - very impressed.

Only problem so far has been Preview not displaying text in PDFs exported from Illustrator - any one else experienced this?

I agree, app launches are faster and the re-sizing of windows is much faster! I couldn't stand how slow it was before and juddery.
No problems here, just an impression that everything is just that little bit quicker.

[crees!]

do i really have to? cos i really like my icon setting right now, i spend a lot of time to make it look this nice... :(

Did you CandyBar users uninstall before you upgraded? How's everything running?

[sord]

Bye bye month+ten day uptime

[fatfish]

D'oh, upgrading to 10.3.7 erased all of the illegally d/l programs I had. No more Photoshop CS, Dreamweaver MX, or Final Cut Pro! Beware evildoers! :cool:

That seems rather strange.

I can't imagine how the update would know whether your apple apps are legal or not let alone 3rd party stuff.

[bryanc]

Just adding my voice to those who've experienced no problems. I updated my 667 MHz TiBook and 1.8GHz G5 without any problems. Going home now to update my 1.8GHz iMac.

Looks like a good update.

Cheers

[Casshan]

Has anyone who installed Patchburn tried this update out yet?

My iBook G4 12" with Superdrive :D would like to know if its safe.

[Rower_CPU]

For those that were asking: 7S215

[BugMeNot]

I installed the update about an hour ago on my eMac and the card loses all signal and I can't connect. The network doesn't even show up under the list.

Any recommendations? Should I buy the warranty it is about a year old

eMac 1ghz Mac Classic running 7.5
and about 10 PC A.K.A. Pieces of Crap :)

[NEENAHBOY]

Just a general observation here, but I have AOL and every time I close it, the "unexpectedly quit..." dialog box comes up. Anyone have any thoughts as to whether this is an OS X bug or (much more likely IMHO) an AOL bug?

(EDIT): Well, I'll be darned. It seems to have corrected the issue that cbssportsline.com was having with Safari. Thanks, Apple!

[drsuse]

Can anyone found if Powerbook 7,1 and 7,2 are back in 10.3.7?

what file is it again that has that information?

[MacBandit]

I installed the update about an hour ago on my eMac and the card loses all signal and I can't connect. The network doesn't even show up under the list.

Any recommendations? Should I buy the warranty it is about a year old

eMac 1ghz Mac Classic running 7.5
and about 10 PC A.K.A. Pieces of Crap :)


Try disconnecting and reconnecting a couple times.

[Toe]

Standlone installers will also be available, for updating from Mac OS X 10.3.6 to 10.3.7 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate_10_3_7.html) and for updating from Mac OS X 10.3, 10.3.1, 10.3.2, 10.3.3, 10.3.4, 10.3.5, or 10.3.6 to 10.3.7 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxcombinedupdate_10_3_7.html).

So... does each 10.3.x revision take longer to release (from Final Candidate to actual download) because Apple has to create more upgrade-path calculations?

They have to test every upgrade-path version, right?

Maybe that's why .7 didn't make the Tuesday release date.

[rikers_mailbox]

So glad the DNS issue is solved!

me too. I was getting particularly frustrated with Safari the other day. About 70% of the pages I tried to load needed a second try! Damn that DNS bug! :mad:

Gonna go home and update my 12" 1.33 and iMac G3 now. . .

[Nermal]

Anyone know if X.3.7 will fix my wireless keyboard, I dropped it in the sink while cleaning the keys ?

I wouldn't count on it :rolleyes:

[chv400]

i have a ATI 9200 PCI in my B&W and it isnt accelerating Quartz anymore. It was working fine before the update and all my settings are still the same. Expose looks so bad now does anyone know how i can get Quartz to work on it again.

[Rod Rod]

I installed the update about an hour ago on my eMac and the card loses all signal and I can't connect. The network doesn't even show up under the list.

Any recommendations? Should I buy the warranty it is about a year old

eMac 1ghz Mac Classic running 7.5
and about 10 PC A.K.A. Pieces of Crap :)

Could it have something to do with running 7.5 "Classic" on your eMac?
(or maybe the eMac and Mac Classic are two different computers but joined on one line without any commas or other clues that they may be different machines) :)

[Macmaniac]

I'm doing my pre update ritual, repairing permissions, clearing cache, etc. My 700mhz iMac G3 is waiting for a new update:)

[iGary]

Holy speed bump, Batman...that update put new life into my iBook. :eek:

The four- to five-bounce Safari went to one, and most every app opens much more quickly now.

Hopefully the battery issue of .6 is gone, however.

Rapairing permissions, sudo maintenance and prebinding the iMac G5 now.

[Littleodie914]

Holy happiness Batman! Check out the slew of positive posts! I don't think I've seen a minor update get this kind of praise in a long time! :D Shame I've got dial-up and am only halfway done... :rolleyes:

[TopCatz]

Am I missing something as I don't notice anything particularly different about Preview.. What's changed?

[socamx]

First time in awhile I can actually say my FPS in ut2004 have gone UP from an update instead of down with my r9800.

[vgurl]

Well I'm anxious to hear if this update has really screwed w/ anyone's machine in terms of their 3rd party apps like CandyBar, Synergy, Quicksilver etc. I'm still running 10.3.3 on my 15" AL PB 1.25 Ghz b/c of all of the horror stories I've read on this forum & others. I'd really like to do this software upgrade mostly b/c I want to give Apple's Motion software a trial run & I don't think it will run on anything less than 10.3.6. So any advice for a newb? Should I go ahead w/ an Archive & Install? I just repaired my permissions & I'm not sure what else I should do before I decide to give this update a whirl. I don't want to try to fix anything that ain't broke but at the same time if it'll make my machine run better I'd like to give it a try. Let me know what you guys think :)

[iGary]

Well I'm anxious to hear if this update has really screwed w/ anyone's machine in terms of their 3rd party apps like CandyBar, Synergy, Quicksilver etc. I'm still running 10.3.3 on my 15" AL PB 1.25 Ghz b/c of all of the horror stories I've read on this forum & others. I'd really like to do this software upgrade mostly b/c I want to give Apple's Motion software a trial run & I don't think it will run on anything less than 10.3.6. So any advice for a newb? Should I go ahead w/ an Archive & Install? I just repaired my permissions & I'm not sure what else I should do before I decide to give this update a whirl. I don't want to try to fix anything that ain't broke but at the same time if it'll make my machine run better I'd like to give it a try. Let me know what you guys think :)

Repair permissions, of course.

Force maintenance from terminal:

sudo periodic daily
sudo periodic weekly
sudo periodic monthly

Force update prebinding:

sudo update_prebinding -root / -force

Restart

Backup

Install! :D

[bikeboy]

It seems that every time there's an update, a strong majority of the faithful go out of their way to say how much quicker their systems are. Well, here are some of my recent XBench scores matched to recent updates:

10.3.5 (122.06)
10.3.6 (115.91)
10.3.7 (110.69)

All tests were done on my 1.33GHz 12" PowerBook w/768MB RAM with Airport off, no apps running.

Comments? Confirmations?

[eatwasabi]

Am I the only one with a graphical problem (after the patch) running warcraft iii forzen throne? When it's night time, and I drag select units, I notice the colors of the buildings become day time. I'm on a 17'' flat 1ghz g4 with 768 mb ram.

[sjpetry]

I am new to Mac's and I would like to know what procedures I should take before updating. Thanks!

[fabsgwu]

I am new to Mac's and I would like to know what procedures I should take before updating. Thanks!

I don't do too much before, some people back up files with third party software to CDs, DVDs, or External drives WHICH THEY UNPLUG BEFORE UPDATING! But after the install, it's good to "Repair Permissions." Go to your Applications folder, click on the Utilities folder and click on "Disk Utility," select your hard drive and click "Repair Permissions." This is good to do every month or two, especially after updating software or the OS.

There's no need to de-fragment Mac OS X at any time; it's done after installing software and updating the OS (when the install is done, you'll notice the status bar says "Optimizing hard drive," or something to that effect-- this is code for de-fragmenting the file system).

[iGary]

No real difference on the iMac 1.8...I'll bench it tomorrow, but my iBook has a new life. I'll put it on the Powermac when I get home. :D

[Nermal]

when the install is done, you'll notice the status bar says "Optimizing hard drive," or something to that effect-- this is code for de-fragmenting the file system

Actually, when it says it's optimising, it's actually updating prebinding. Defragmentation occurs behind the scenes when you least expect it, muahahaha! :eek:

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

No real difference on the iMac 1.8...I'll bench it tomorrow, but my iBook has a new life. I'll put it on the Powermac when I get home. :D

Update your signature, you lazy slacker :p

Edit: Aforementioned signature has now been updated :)

[vgurl]

Repair permissions, of course.

Force maintenance from terminal:

sudo periodic daily
sudo periodic weekly
sudo periodic monthly

Force update prebinding:

sudo update_prebinding -root / -force

Restart

Backup

Install! :D

Thx iGary! Think I'll go ahead & bite the bullet on this one & try the update :)

[Macmaniac]

Running happily, nothing major to report, maintenance run.

[hcuar]

It seems that every time there's an update, a strong majority of the faithful go out of their way to say how much quicker their systems are. Well, here are some of my recent XBench scores matched to recent updates:

10.3.5 (122.06)
10.3.6 (115.91)
10.3.7 (110.69)

All tests were done on my 1.33GHz 12" PowerBook w/768MB RAM with Airport off, no apps running.

Comments? Confirmations?

Well... I must say... Everything seems MUCH faster!

I checked xBench, I scored 119.44 in 10.3.7 with the PB listed in my sig. Seems to be the same config as you. I've never ran xBench before so I can't compare to prior versions.

[hoyboy9]

Ok, here's some specific UT framerate data. ONS Torlan, 7 bots, full version of UT2004 with the latest patch.

On 10.3.6, I got an average of 23-24 frames per second during the game. After updating to 10.3.7, I consistently get 29-30 fps, and when the action isn't heavy, it it goes nearly up to 55-60.

PB G4: 1.5 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, 64 MB Radeon

Thumbs WAY up for this update. :)

[Wonder Boy]

everything is perfect for me running 10.3.(0) dare i update to 10.3.7?

[veedubdrew]

Just want to chime in here.

Everything's peachy on my 17" PowerBook G4. Specs in sig. Window resizing seems noticeably smoother too, almost as good as Tiger.

-Drew

[wrldwzrd89]

Just a general observation here, but I have AOL and every time I close it, the "unexpectedly quit..." dialog box comes up. Anyone have any thoughts as to whether this is an OS X bug or (much more likely IMHO) an AOL bug?

(EDIT): Well, I'll be darned. It seems to have corrected the issue that cbssportsline.com was having with Safari. Thanks, Apple!
I'm not an AOL user myself, but I know someone who is. This person has experienced this same issue (AOL unexpectedly quits when you quit it normally) with 10.3.5 and 10.3.6 on an eMac (the eMac came with 10.3.5). Seems to me like an AOL bug.

[celebi23]

What pre-update procedures should I put my iBook G4 through? I've always just updated without doing anything else and I haven't had any problems with just doing that.

[shooterlv]

Afte updating I can no longe type a cetain lette. Its the one that comes afte 'Q'. Oh well. :)

[drsuse]

my 600mhz g3 imac does seem quite a bit snappier with the update :)

[eazyway]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

There is no real limit on incremental updates ie 10.3.57 and so on

[Mtn Tamale]

Thanks. Tried it just now with the dozen or so in question. Didn't work. I'll have to start complaining to Apple.

Have you tried dragging the files to the printer icon in your Dock? I had some trouble for a while printing PDFs created by a Citrix app. I know it sucks, but for me it did the trick.

[vgurl]

everything is perfect for me running 10.3.(0) dare i update to 10.3.7?

I dared & so far have had no problems. Just follow iGary's advice to me earlier & you should be fine. All of my 3rd party apps (Konfabulator, CandyBar, Shapeshifter, etc.) seem to be intact as are my settings. Phew!..what a relief I didn't have any of the aggravations that I've read about w/ other updates.

Let's hope I'm not jinxing myself tho!

...Happy Updating :)

[JeDiBoYTJ]

Update is working perfectly for me so far.

Xbench Scores (Machine Spec's in Sig)

10.3.6: 115.96
10.3.7: 121.66

I guess there is a slight speed increase associated with this update.

[ddbean]

After I updated to 10.3.7 it takes over 30 seconds for Mail application to fully close. I tried repairing permissions and get same result. Is anyone else seeing this?
The Mail windows close right away, but the Mail menu bar stays up for the 30+ secs before it closes.
Any ideas?

EDIT:
NEVER MIND... I guess app was slowing down due to Virex running on re-start...tried it again and it closes right away...sorry...

[Joepy]

Has anyone else noticed this? When you change your desktop's resolution by either playing a game or start the iTunes visualizer (fullscreen), you have a drop shadow in your menu bar when you return to your desktop. Additionally, when you use Exposé's "Clear Desktop" function, a black rectangle also quickly appears and then disappears ("flies to the nearest corner").

It's really strange and it has been there for a while, but 10.3.7 doesn't fix it. :(

[iBunny]

Works good for me so far.

I dont think i will notice anything from it, but it didnt hurt.

[admford]

Hmmm... there is a good speed up in the OS when opening and using certain apps like Safari. Anyways i did some benchmarking of my own and here are the results. The only thing is that I did my old benchmark with HD tests and that literally killed my results (stuffed up system, gotta clean it out), and the most recent one I did with 10.3.7 doesn't include HD results. Anyways here goes:

Config: PowerBook 15" 1.5GHz, 512MB Ram, ATI Radeon 9700 with 128MB Ram

10.3.7
CPU Test - 164.36
GCD Loop - 167.02 - 6.52 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic - 128.49 - 464.66 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic - 184.70 - 5.37 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT - 187.29 - 2.91 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library - 169.56 - 6.79 Mops/sec
Thread Test - 124.53
Computation - 90.36 - 1.22 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention - 200.24 - 2.51 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test - 123.85
System - 126.92
Allocate - 791.76 - 516.46 Kalloc/sec
Fill - 125.93 - 1002.40 MB/sec
Copy - 69.29 - 346.43 MB/sec
Stream - 120.92
Copy - 114.57 - 837.52 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale - 129.54 - 956.02 MB/sec [altivec]
Add - 123.37 - 789.59 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad - 117.30 - 716.69 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test - 164.30
Line 139.46 - 3.55 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle - 157.08 - 11.05 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle - 163.85 - 3.78 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier - 159.46 - 1.73 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text - 221.22 - 3.61 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test - 104.94
Spinning Squares - 104.94 - 73.43 frames/sec
User Interface Test - 172.63
Elements - 172.63 - 55.53 refresh/sec
10.3.6
CPU Test - 152.53
GCD Loop - 158.95 - 6.21 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic - 104.48 - 377.84 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic - 183.96 - 5.34 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT - 190.80 - 2.96 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library - 160.20 - 6.41 Mops/sec
Thread Test - 119.95
Computation - 87.53 - 1.18 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention - 190.51 - 2.39 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test - 120.44
System - 114.22
Allocate - 923.25 - 602.23 Kalloc/sec
Fill - 105.31 - 838.26 MB/sec
Copy - 63.75 - 318.75 MB/sec
Stream - 127.37
Copy - 118.17 - 863.86 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale - 130.51 - 963.14 MB/sec [altivec]
Add - 131.74 - 843.13 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad - 130.07 - 794.71 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test - 151.39
Line - 129.54 - 3.30 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle - 140.31 - 9.87 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle - 151.55 - 3.49 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier - 152.67 - 1.66 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text - 198.74 - 3.24 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test - 107.10
Spinning Squares - 107.10 - 74.95 frames/sec
User Interface Test - 170.92
Elements - 170.92 - 54.98 refresh/sec

[mangoman]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

[fatfish]

Have started to update my macs now, after seeing very few issues from you guys. I usually start with the least critical, an old G4-450, and work up to my G5-D2.5 which has my important stuff on.

So far so good, except that is for my usual issue since X.3.5.

When I update, my network settings are reset (it assigns itself a static IP address), and somehow my router is affected. No problem reassigning DHCP info and getting each mac to see each other, but no internet over LAN to updated macs (but still have it to macs not updated)

In the past, a few restarts of the router usually does the trick, but I'll have to wait as some macs are still d/l ing the X.3.7.

Anyone also have this? Any ideas why this occurs?

[fatfish]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

You should have seen that message long before X.3.6, it's quite normal and nothing to worry about. There is an apple knoweldge base document that explains it, but I'd just forget about it.

[mr.steevo]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

Hi,

First of all, I get this always.

Secondly, how did you make a picture of that pane?

s.

PS. Took a longtime to install 10.3.7 but seems to work fine. safari does load faster (after the second load). Not much of a power user so I doubt I will see any significant improvements with 3.7

[thex]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

Yeah I get the same thing, after updating my PB 17" 1 GHz finder keeps crashing and relaunching. :mad:

[Links]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?
This is a status message and not a cause for concern. You may safely ignore it.

Here is the Apple doc:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107298

[Sedulous]

After installing 10.3.7 my Powerbook trackpad has stopped working when I plug in a FW HD. Weird.

[nickdaze]

I installed 10.3.7, restarted, everything seems fine. My 3rd party apps are fine.

Then it hits me.

Mail.app takes literally 40 seconds to launch. And that's after the icon stops bouncing in the dock.

I might be switching to Thunderbird, much as I hate to say it...

[gmanrique]

After the update I noticed something happening only in certain websites, like www.macobserver.com, where their homepage is loaded, a bit faster than before, but the text is not completely smooth. After a second or two it refreshes itself and everything is fine. It does not happens in sites like Macrumos. Anyone else noticing this with macobserver or other sites?

[Doga]

Installed the update - no problems whatsoever. Good voodoo.

[~Shard~]

I installed 10.3.7, restarted, everything seems fine. My 3rd party apps are fine.

Then it hits me.

Mail.app takes literally 40 seconds to launch. And that's after the icon stops bouncing in the dock.

I might be switching to Thunderbird, much as I hate to say it...

Did you try restarting your machine one more time afterwards? Also, did you verify and repair permissions both before and after installation? What type of system are you using? Let us know, maybe we can be of help... :cool:

[Toe]

Repair permissions, of course.

Force maintenance from terminal:

sudo periodic daily
sudo periodic weekly
sudo periodic monthly

Force update prebinding:

sudo update_prebinding -root / -force

Restart

Backup

Install! :D
That's funny, because these days, my update process goes more like this:


Ooooh, new update!

OK

Accept

Restart

Hey, let's see if there's a discussion on MR.


Whole thing only takes a couple minutes. :)

So far, that strategy has worked quite well for me. I guess I figure, "It'll probably work, and I backup often." If the system hoses, I can just archive-reinstall and get it back. Unix is soooo nice that way.

(Of course, I don't have a FW drive plugged in :eek: )

[admford]

And thanks to admford for posting those benchmarking results, those are very interesting - it's neat to see how an update actually affects certain apps, etc.

Heh, no problem, had my old benchmarks saved, just had to run XBench for a minute to get new ones up. But the speed up is deffinately noticeable. Most programs start up faster (not only Safari) and it seems Quartz implementation has been improved on (along with the drivers possibly) and over all compiling of the OS seems to be slightly better optimized.

[FoxyKaye]

Does this update include native support for the Pioneer DVR-108 ??

Nope - just installed and am in the process of checking out my system...

My guess is that if Apple starts including the dual-layer Pioneer drives in its systems upgrade at MacWorld in January, we'll see support in 10.3.8 or 10.3.9. If they don't, then I don't think this is going to happen for Panther and we'll have to upgrade to Tiger to get native support.

Though honestly, I haven't really missed Apple's burn support much -- I've found Toast a much more reliable and better-equipped alternative.

No big problems with this update yet, unlike the nightmare of 10.3.6 that happened to me. Or, to quote Han Solo, "Um, everything's OK. Situation normal. How are you?"

[bousozoku]

It's a bit early to tell but I am not noticing the memory leak I found right after installing 10.3.6, so that's a great thing. If other things work better, I'm all for it. However, networking is still no better for me...10.3.4 was the best...or 10.2.8.

Good luck Apple. Hope you find the problem soon.

[kerb]

YES!

That horrible DNS problem has gone away.
Surfing is much smoother and nicer now.
Everything feels perky as usual on my 12" 1.33Ghz

[Converted2Truth]

Updated my DP1.8/6800GT with no problems. I have noticed improvements, but WoW is still slow at times. I'm very pleased that they are trying to fix some things. It's cool to read in apple's release notes that they taylored the patch to fix WoW. That means they're communicating and stuff... hopefully this will lead to a more complete and reliable implementation of openGL. Cheers to apple, thanks for a couple more FPS.

[aprilfools]

i have an OWC Other World Computing firewire hard drive. Since update it wont show up anymore. I did the update.

[ddbean]

I installed 10.3.7, restarted, everything seems fine.
....
Mail.app takes literally 40 seconds to launch. And that's after the icon stops bouncing in the dock. ...

My Mail took almost 40 sec to close but as soon as Virex stopped scanning my Mail closed right away, so just make sure your not running Virex scanning, and see if that makes a difference. (Never had slow opening however so this might not help you)

[pubwvj]

I am using the following in 10.3.5. Is anyone else using any of these and has upgrades and if so do they still work?

iMote
PithHelmet
XKeys/FKey Listener
MenuMeters
Palm
HP Director (AIO HP Officejet 7130)
A-Dock
Sogudi (in Safari)
Carbon Copy Cloner
X-Plane 7.21
Nomad MG

Any specific incompatibilities? (Wow - there's a word with a lot of eyes.)

I have a PowerBook Pismo 500MHz, two colorful clamshell iBooks 300MHz(?), an PowerBook Lombard 400MHz and a PowerMac G4 500MHz. Anyone tried updating these older models yet?

One specific problem I am having with 10.3.5 is the Pismo and Lombard PowerBooks not recognizing batteries properly. Anyone have this and is it fixed in 10.3.7?

Similarly one of the iBook's Airport cards works in 9.2 but is sporatically missing in action under OS X. Anyone every have that and if so any fix including 10.3.7?

Speaking of things working, are the temperature measurements on the CPU back or is that still dead? I loved the temp measurement and on my PowerBooks it seemed quite accurate and consistant.

Is Safari or Mail better? Both get horribly slow in 10.3.5 at times.

-Walter
backing up quickly...
upgrading slowly...

[Stewie]

I know it doesn't say anything about an iSync update but it does mention better Bluetooth support for mobile phones, my question being has anyone with a Nokia 7610 discovered that they can now iSync? I shouldn't install this update until it's qualified by Digidesign but I'm going crazy waiting for iSync support for syncML synchronization.
Unfortunately the Apple support discussions forums have been down for hours so I can't tell from there. :(


This update didn't do anything for iSync and my Nokia 6620. Although i didn't expect it to. I am hoping tha they get this working in Tiger.

[Horrortaxi]

Just checking in to report no ill effects from the update on 3 machines--G4 Cube, iBook 700, MDD 1ghz. All machines run Macaroni and ClearDock--iBook also runs SideTrack. No bad behavior from any of those either.

This is, of course, exactly what I expected.

[macmax77]

it's all good in the iMac G5 , i will let you know how it all goes in the iBook G4 tomorrow,

Take good care,

Max

[collegetech]

Safari and mail seem to be much faster on my 800Mhz PBG4 after upgrading to 10.3.7.

The only hitch that I've noticed is that after installing 10.3.7 is that my optical Kensington USB mouse in a box stopped working after restarting. An unplug/reconnection of the mouse solved that problem.

Have any folks out there running 10.3.x server with ATTO Technology SCSI cards tried the 10.3.7 server upgrade yet? 10.3.5 caused RAIDS attached to ATTO UL4D and UL43 to "disappear". 10.3.6 supposedly corrected that problem and I was going to upgrade my fileserver over this Christmas break when the students were gone. And now 10.3.7 comes out! Crossing my fingers that my carbon copy clone will go smooth when upgrading my file server from 10.3.3 server to 10.3.7

[iGary]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

Get it every time.

[macgallant]

Apparently the Sound/Volume Problem affecting many MDD G4 Towers in Mac OSX 10.3.6 is still present in version 10.3.7. Come on Apple, get your act together! Many of us submitted a bug report after 10.3.6 was initially released and yet this problem is still present in 10.3.7. What the heck did Apple spent their time on in preparations of version 10.3.7. This is better not be the last version of Panther, this is unacceptable!

Tiger better have this sound problem affecting MDD owners taken care of.

Sorry for ranting, i'm just letting off some steam. . . :mad:

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....no problems on my G5...every pgm I have launched has responded just as with 10.3.6...will update my Powerbook tomorrow when I get to work....oh yeah!

[nitropowered]

The dock went crazy on me just now. It keeps disappearing and i lose icons on it. The window system is going haywire also. Windows aren't observing levels. The only thing that I have installed that I have any suspicion is Konfabulator and Adium (Adium starts leaking memory sometimes and I have to quit and restart it). Maybe this restart will fix it.

[sord]

Repair permissions, of course.

Force maintenance from terminal:

sudo periodic daily
sudo periodic weekly
sudo periodic monthly

Force update prebinding:

sudo update_prebinding -root / -force

Well I did all of that and I know what the permissions and periodics do, but what does update_prebinding do and why do we force it? (btw its running right now :) )

[celaurie]

iBook G4 800
iMac G5 1.6

On installing the 10.3,7 update on both these comps, at restart both showed
the multi-lingual "You need to restrt you computer..." message. The Combo
update did not have this problem and so far no further issues with start-up.

Similar problem occured in 10.3.6 for those that missed the posts.

~cel, <i>waiting to see</i>

[dotnina]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

I get that every time too. I think there was a thread on it a while back ... if I recall correctly, it's apparently a bug that Apple never bothered to fix.

[macmick]

Everything seems to work afterthe upgrade.
The only annoying thing I have found is it takes about 20 seconds longer to boot up than before (all of it spinning beachball).
Also, when logging into a second account, there is about 10 seconds of spinning beachball everytime.

I have repeated this many times and keep getting the same behaviour.

Anyone else observe this as well?

[Mechcozmo]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

That's not a bug...

That is a little line telling you that the permissions are set differently then what the OS would think, but it's ok. It is supposed to be that way so that it isn't changed by the OS and get messed up. There is a line of code you can insert into a file to make it stay a certain permission.

[broken_keyboard]

Well I did all of that and I know what the permissions and periodics do, but what does update_prebinding do and why do we force it? (btw its running right now :) )

Prebinding makes programs load faster.

When a program wants to run a piece of code in another file (library), the OS has to load that file, then it has to jump the CPU to where the file loaded.

What predinding does is decide beforehand where it will load each external file so it can put the jump address in now instead of when you run the program.

[swissmann]

That's funny, because these days, my update process goes more like this:


Ooooh, new update!

OK

Accept

Restart

Hey, let's see if there's a discussion on MR.


Whole thing only takes a couple minutes. :)

So far, that strategy has worked quite well for me. I guess I figure, "It'll probably work, and I backup often." If the system hoses, I can just archive-reinstall and get it back. Unix is soooo nice that way.

(Of course, I don't have a FW drive plugged in :eek: )

Thats funny. I do the same thing.

[Xtremehkr]

Everything works and everything was found. :)

[devman]

Powerbook 1.33Ghz:

App launches are much faster - never more than 3 bounces for Safari, iTunes, Mail etc. Window dragging and resizing are way faster - very impressed.

Only problem so far has been Preview not displaying text in PDFs exported from Illustrator - any one else experienced this?

YES - but I've had that problem on 10.3.6 (about to update to 10.3.7). but I see it in keynote as well. i.e. placing a PDF in keynote created by illustrator.

[lunchbox]

After installing the update on my 15" 1.5 PB, I'm having some troubles with Pro Tools/MBox. The program always crashes on first run, but then works fine on the second. Also, the names of all the inserts are garbled, and the piano roll is missing on medium-sized midi tracks.

I know Digidesign's notorious for incompatibilities... Anyone else having issues with digi stuff after the 10.3.7 update?

[scfl33]

I installed 10.3.7, restarted, everything seems fine. My 3rd party apps are fine.

Then it hits me.

Mail.app takes literally 40 seconds to launch. And that's after the icon stops bouncing in the dock.

I might be switching to Thunderbird, much as I hate to say it...


Same problem here -- Mail.app icon bounces once or
twice in the Dock, then there's a 40 second lag before
the main window and menu bar appear. I don't think it
has to do with the connection process, b/c normally (at
least in my config) Mail first opens local copies of the
mbox files, displaying them first, before connecting to
and updating from my IMAP server. At this point,
nothing shows up for 40 seconds...

I've tried repairing permissions, updating prebindings,
rebooting, etc., before and after the update. I've tried
this with no other apps running. No luck, for me, Mail
opens much more slowly now than in 10.3.6.

[jrober]

I still have a DNS issue that 10.3.7 does not fix.

When connected directly to the ethernet I can use RealPlayer to stream radio. However when I connect the ethernet to my Airport Express RealPlayer cannot find the DNS entry. Every other networking app I have is fine under both modes except realplayer an earlier (I forget about 6-8 weeks ago) security update created the problem and I hoped 10.3.7 would fix it.

Anyone else with this issue or similar?

John

[gregnacu]

All I can say is, Apple better release Tiger soon. They're running out of mathematical room for fractional updates for 10.3!

I'd just like to point out... they aren't fractions. They are version numbers, three levels deep that just happen to be separated by the period character. They could just as easily be separated by a full or semi colon. So there is no reason why the version numbers couldn't be 10.3.10, or 10.3.11, etc. Just look at it as, 10:3:11, or 10;3;11. A fractional number with 2 decimal points just doesn't make sense.

[lagoleer]

10.3.5 = killer fps in Diablo II 50-60fps+ in battles, 100fps+ in cities
10.3.6 = Sludge fest when in battles, fps would drop to under 10fps with many enemies on the screen
10.3.7 = Closer to .5 performance versus .6 100fps+ in cities and low activity, 40-50fps+ in battles.

[dotnina]

Every time I repair permissions I get this constant repair (see PDF). It's been happening since 10.3.6 and this new update doesn't fix it. Am I alone here?

Get it every time.

No, I get it too. Every time.

I think there was a thread on it a while back. Pretty much everyone gets it. If I recall, it was mentioned that this is a bug Apple simply never bothered to fix.

[AmigoMac]

well X.3.7 didn't fix the problem I was reporting since some days ago, I'm very sad about that and will have to reinstall because it bothers me a lot,
My carbon apps don't let me to switch between windows within the same app. using the keyboard (Command + ~, ctrl + ~ <photoshop>), I gave my hope to X.3.7 but no way, it didn't came with x.3.6 but x.3.7 didn'T fix it... :( again, sad.

[FelixDerKater]

It installed perfectly, but I see no changes.

I wonder how many people will report a small increase in Finder speed. :D

[freechris]

no problems, not that i expected any, i never really had any problem with updates,

except for my old umax astra scanner not working anymore.

regards,

chris.

[russed]

all seems pretty nice for me! will have to test a few games out.

[caveman_uk]

Apparently the Sound/Volume Problem affecting many MDD G4 Towers in Mac OSX 10.3.6 is still present in version 10.3.7.

What bug is this? I've got an MDD and there's nothing unusual going on soundwise...

[Mtn Tamale]

Was from 247-252 at highest processor setting with 10.3.6

Now it is from 243-245 at highest processor setting with 10.3.7

I don't know about 10.3.7 being any faster. That may be fantasy.

I've run it 6 times now with 10.3.7

[zync]

I am soooo glad that they finally fixed that damn DNS issue. I had been waiting on that for so long. I just got rr about a month ago and I haven't been able to really enjoy it, until now! I opened tabs once as a test and about every third tab didn't open. Now they all do and the system is much faster. I repaired permissions for the hell of it and there was only one that was off.

Great update. My PowerBook is back to the same feeling of speed as when I originally got it (even though there are about 69 less gigs of space :))

[sgt chaos]

Anybody tried this update on an iBook that has had the screen spanning patch applied???

Dont want to kill my spangly new Mac quite yet ;)

[Malic]

Installed no problem on my [maintained] G5 iMac.

[tsaxer]

Installed it on my G4 15" PB, everything's green. Even Sidetrack is cool. I am glad Doctor Q highlighted that we should disconnect Ext. Firewire HD's, I would've probably forgot it. Thanks!

[wrldwzrd89]

Was from 247-252 at highest processor setting with 10.3.6

Now it is from 243-245 at highest processor setting with 10.3.7

I don't know about 10.3.7 being any faster. That may be fantasy.

I've run it 6 times now with 10.3.7
Some people get faster Xbench scores with 10.3.7; others get slower Xbench scores with 10.3.7 (check previous posts in this thread). You just happen to be one of the ones who got slower scores.

[Littleodie914]

That seems rather strange.

I can't imagine how the update would know whether your apple apps are legal or not let alone 3rd party stuff.Haha... Didn't catch mine! ;)

[JFreak]

Some people get faster Xbench scores with 10.3.7; others get slower Xbench scores with 10.3.7 (check previous posts in this thread). You just happen to be one of the ones who got slower scores.

difference most probably comes from hard drive performance, if the tests are not run "just before update" and "just after update".

[jvaska]

G4/400/AGP and the verdict is?

Doesn't really seem snappier as many have said - but this is an old machine. It doesn't seem slower either. The one thing though is that NOW I can set my monitor to a great resolution (1600x1200) and that wasn't possible previously. Maybe I'll pickup a new monitor now as a christmas gift.

One thing I don't like, as this goes for another machine too, if you have alot of bookmarks (50 or so) it has a lag when you try to open up the tab to click on one.

Apps are launching plenty fast. System Preferences does seem to have a slight lag but I think that's mostly been the case for a long time.

It seems all is good. ;)

[JFreak]

could someone please verify if there is a native support for a 1280x720 display resolution (for powerbooks at least) - i cannot test it reliably myself, as i have made hacks into my system to make it work.

(the reason for askin? my hdtv projector that i use as a second display. 100" screen is very nice...)

[AidenShaw]

I don't know about 10.3.7 being any faster. That may be fantasy.


I was surprised to see much change in the STREAMS numbers (Copy, Scale, Add, Triadd) in the Xbench.

Those are pretty much self contained within the benchmark program, and don't call any system libraries or routines (except to fetch the start and end times).

If there's a change here (running the same version of Xbench, of course), one should suspect


Random events (clock granularity, unrelated interrupts or system processes stealing time, background I/O,...)
Changes in memory management to improve cache behaviour (like page coloring) - possible in a big update like 10.4, unlikely in a minor update


It would be more interesting to do 10 to 20 runs, and report the mean, min, max and standard deviation.

A single run is far too susceptible to random variability to be useful for subtle comparisons.

[MacSA]

Very few people have reported problems, so why so many neagtive votes? :confused:

[jvaska]

Whoa, is it also possible that the sound output has been improved? It sounds better, but it could also just be my ears today.

???

[jvaska]

Very few people have reported problems, so why so many neagtive votes? :confused:

I'm often surprised by the number of negative votes. I wonder if the MacRumors team has ever gone through and compared IPs and also what kind of computers people use when they vote. It doesn't seem right to me either...

[1macker1]

I'm having problems staying connected to the internet. I keep having to restart to get my connection to come back up.

[celebi23]

I've never backed-up my iBook G4 before an OS upgrade. What steps should I go through before upgrading and is the update safe for my year old iBook G4?

[jojobach]

So far, everything ok. Installed and everything seems to be working. But I didn't notice the performance changes that many people seems to have found. Apple rules!

iBook G4 14" 1.2Ghz, 60GB, 256MB RAM (Saving to buy more memory. Does anyone wants to offer me 1GB RAM?)

[SiliconAddict]

I wouldn't count on it :rolleyes:

http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/Joke.jpg

[SiliconAddict]

Very few people have reported problems, so why so many neagtive votes? :confused:


Prob because people have to reboot. :rolleyes: The whole dick...I mean uptime thing. Either that or people are having legit problems.

[celebi23]

Gonna install it on my year old iBook G4 without backing-up first :cool:

[iGary]

As per specs below:

iBook is running much faster, XBench score is a bit higher.

iMac is running the same, XBeancxh the same.

PowerMac is running the same, same XBench.

[njmac]

12" 1GHz PB 768 MB RAM now running 10.3.7......... no prob. :D

[gorkonapple]

Apple can get 10.3.8 and 10.3.9 away before running out of 'room'... note that 10.2 went through to 10.2.8 before 10.3 came out so if history is a past guide then expect at least one more 10.3 release before Tiger moves into view.

Haven't downloaded it yet - just wants to get into the first 10 replies.... :D

Or howabout 10.3.10, 10.3.11, 10.3.12, 10.3.13......they won't ever run out of room with this way of numbering the updates. Besides, I would rather have a 10.4.2 when 10.5 comes out rather then a 10.4.110....ie I want the thing to be as stable as Panther has been and if possible more stable. Take your time Apple. Panther is still damn good.

[MIKX]

I installed the 10.3.7 update in my dual 2 Ghz G5

Summary : Everything seems noticably faster, snappier.

Initially : After the upgrade, I hot-restarted and got a beachball for a lot
longer than usual and noted that the usual icons along the top of the finder scrawled individually from right to left across the screen and then the OS loaded - this only happened once.

Mail toook a long time to start up.

I then repaired permissions without anything notable appearing in the list.
I then ran Onyx, cleared out the caches, ran all the scripts etc and shut down the G5.

After a cold restart it booted in about 30 seconds, everything ran a lot faster - including Mail which now seems to open in a second or two. Safari is noticably faster.
Curiously, my mouse scrolls much faster in Firefox than in Safari.
None of my 3rd. party apps have been affected.

The only casualty was XBench which crashed half way through the test (latest version). On a second run it showed a 200 score against a 212 score in 10.3.4 but the whole OS "seems" faster in 10.3.7

Obviously some people installing 10.3.7 have not repaired permissions and "cold started" their Macs after the upgrade or followed the usual maintenance procedures. Macs are like pretty ladies - they need a little attention.

I seem to have a faster G5 tonight than I had this morning.
I'm happy.

[blufire]

10.3.7 has not fixed the MDD audio issue. Has anyone else noticed the audio problem? Going back to the 10.3.5 Apple02Audio.kext fix...

[celebi23]

Everything appears faster and snappier. I'll post more observations in a little bit.

[crap freakboy]

G4/400/AGP and the verdict is?

Doesn't really seem snappier as many have said - but this is an old machine. It doesn't seem slower either. The one thing though is that NOW I can set my monitor to a great resolution (1600x1200) and that wasn't possible previously.

FYI I've been running at that res for quite a few updates, nothing new I'm afraid.

[jayscheuerle]

Doubled the framerate of DiabloII in my mom's Bondi 233mHz iMac from 2 to 4 in the city scenes. Now I can get a frame every 5 seconds when under heavy attack. This rules!!!

[gbrandt]

10.3.7 did not fix the major Diablo slowdown. Still have to run in software mode instead of OpenGL mode.....sigh

Gregor

[noel4r]

Well, I messed up, the installation was interrupted while it was optimizing the hd, so I restarted the installation. Now, all my pics are gone and the pictures folder can’t be accessed. Can I still get back my pics or am I screwed?

I also repaired the disk permissions. Any thoughts?

[zevic]

I can no longer print wirelessly using airport express.
Any Suggestions?

PB 15" 1.5 Ghz

[wdlove]

I can no longer print wirelessly using airport express.
Any Suggestions?

PB 15" 1.5 Ghz

Have you done as the others and run repair permissions. Then do a reboot. You could also try Tech Tools or some other utilities program that your are using.

[musser]

Is ANYone else experiencing very slow boot-ups with 10.3.7?

It's literally something like 5 minutes to boot up.

I'm on a Dual 1.42 G4.

Thanks.

[musser]

I should clarify, as well, that during this slow bootup, the Dock opens first, then, only the text of the menu clock appears (no text on the left end of the menu strip) with the sound icon but no Menu strip itself... until minutes later.

[tace]

:mad: The update killed my help system. Everytime I try to launch help it crashes. What's this Windows?

[nagromme]

Very few people have reported problems, so why so many neagtive votes? :confused:
1. No OS will ever be completely free of all problems.

2. Therefore Mac OS is not completely free of all problems.

3. Therefore Mac OS has just as many problems as Windows.

(I don't get it either :D But there you go!)

OK, all backed up... Now I'm taking the plunge...

[Jigglelicious]

I dunno about you guys, but I noticed that scrolling up and down in Safari (especially using the mouse wheel) is a ton smoother after this update. Its still not as smooth as windows, but its a huge improvement still.

[gekko513]

Installed it in my usual manner:

1. Found out about the update on macrumors while at work
2. Got home
3. Woke up PB from sleep
4. Checked macrumors again ;)
5. Quit all apps
6. Upgrade
7. Restart
8. Confirm that everything works the way it always has

I've never had any problem with any update. My mac also seems snappier after this update. It could just be my expectations and the fact that my mac hasn't been restarted since the last upgrade, but I think they've done something good on this one.

[gekko513]

I dunno about you guys, but I noticed that scrolling up and down in Safari (especially using the mouse wheel) is a ton smoother after this update. Its still not as smooth as windows, but its a huge improvement still.
OMG I _hate_ the way IE scrolls on Windows, I haven't even found out how to turn that stupid laggy and jerky "smooth scroll" thing off :mad: . Hm, well maybe that's one of the reasons I use Firefox on windows :D

[hayesk]

1. No OS will ever be completely free of all problems.

2. Therefore Mac OS is not completely free of all problems.

3. Therefore Mac OS has just as many problems as Windows.



You forgot

4. I have found a problem.
5. Therefore every other Mac user has found this problem.
6. Therefore this problem should be Apples #1 priority.

[wrldwzrd89]

:mad: The update killed my help system. Everytime I try to launch help it crashes. What's this Windows?
Delete the help preference files and caches. It worked for me when Mac OS Help was messed up.

Delete this folder:
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.helpui/
Delete these files:
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.help.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.helpviewer.plist

[edesignuk]

All done on 20" iMac G5. No problems...


...so far...

[NeoMayhem]

Works fine on my iBook G3, I was a bit worried after 10.3.6 killed my computer, but this one worked fine.

[MacBandit]

Is ANYone else experiencing very slow boot-ups with 10.3.7?

It's literally something like 5 minutes to boot up.

I'm on a Dual 1.42 G4.

Thanks.

I have the same machine and startup in 10.3.7 is the same as I had in 10.3.6 which is about 40-45secs to finder screen with icons all loaded.

I find that using a program like Yasu (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21674) greatly improves boot and app load times.

I've performed all the fixes Yasu does one by one manually and found that for some reason prebinding seems to be the one thing that speeds up system load time the most. I'm not sure why as I didn't think prebinding had much to do with system startup.

Starting with 10.3.6 I began running Yasu before and after every update. So far it seems to make a big difference.

[MacBandit]

10.3.7 has not fixed the MDD audio issue. Has anyone else noticed the audio problem? Going back to the 10.3.5 Apple02Audio.kext fix...

I've never noticed the audio issue on either of my MDD Powermacs though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So far nothing new with 10.3.7.

[MacBandit]

I can no longer print wirelessly using airport express.
Any Suggestions?

PB 15" 1.5 Ghz

Try unplugging and plugging your printer back in. I've had this issue recently myself but no related to 10.3.7.

[MacBandit]

Well, I messed up, the installation was interrupted while it was optimizing the hd, so I restarted the installation. Now, all my pics are gone and the pictures folder can’t be accessed. Can I still get back my pics or am I screwed?

I also repaired the disk permissions. Any thoughts?


Have you tried FSCK in Single User Mode? Also try running Yasu (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21674). It clears caches, performs chron tasks, repairs permissions, and updates prebinding. Very nice little GUI for those unix tasks.

[neutrino23]

Installed on 15" Al 1.25GHz PB with no problems. Runs fine.

Before any update I go through the following checklist:

1. Log out and log back in. (I have filevault turned on so this clears up unused disk space as well as restarting the finder.

2. Perform normal backups.

3. Repair disk permissions. (This time it found nothing to repair.)

4. Restart

5. Install the update.

I suspect that some problems people see are due to the OS being in an unexpected configuration when the update runs.

[tace]

Delete the help preference files and caches. It worked for me when Mac OS Help was messed up.

Delete this folder:
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.helpui/
Delete these files:
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.help.plist
~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.helpviewer.plist

[killmoms]

As far as I'm concerned 10.3.7 is the best update ever because World of Warcraft now runs 10fps faster pretty much all the time. Night Elf Priests rock!

[Morky]

I am getting a Retail Radeon 9800(Mac Edition) for my Sawtooth and I was wondering if should wait to apply this update? I heard that the software update now checks your hardware configuration and gives you only what you can use.(I have a Rage Pro right now)

I installed at 9800 Pro retail edition last night just before the update. I can't imagine what you're saying is true, or else any standard hardware upgrade would fail as the necessary drivers would be missing. I wouldn't worry about upgrading to 10.3.7 before installing the card, unless you want to benchmark it before and after to see the difference the driver upgrades in 10.3.7 made.

The card rocks, by the way. It's nice to play UT2004 at 1680x1050 with the settings maxed!

[parrothead]

A friendly reminder about Apple's warnings:

* If you have a third-party FireWire hard drive connected, turn it off and disconnect it before installing this update. Reconnect it and turn it back on after installation is complete and you've restarted.


I didnt see this before I updated, but somehow my external drive survived. WHEW! :o :eek:

[bryanzak]

One thing I don't like, as this goes for another machine too, if you have alot of bookmarks (50 or so) it has a lag when you try to open up the tab to click on one.
I assume you mean click the pop-up menu? Not sure exactly what you mean.

But, one thing that slows down bookmark-related actions are the favicons. For example, navigating the bookmarks menu. The first time you click it to open it, there is a delay while the favicons are loaded. You can hear your drive thrash on 'em. The second click is much faster though as everything in in memory already.

Bryan

[ASP272]

I updated an it's groovy. G4 450mhz AGP.

[PickledSquirrel]

no problems so far, installed happily after reading the first few pages of the thread
:D
Didn't even stop to backup... Have not yet been struck by lightning, taxforms or rain of frogs

-Squirrel

[Kurt Cobain]

its not that much better actually..

I had crashes and i got this flickering of the menu bar down at the bottom of my second monitor

(G5 dual 2, 2.5g, Ati 9600 64mb, two cinema displays 20" and 23'").
I dont know if its it, but it wasnt acting up like that earlier.

[finchna]

Still can't print the last dozen .pdfs I've downloaded from various sources to my HP 7960. When is Apple going to finally make printing robust in OS X? I'm getting a bit fed up.

We had to replace a ROM in one of our HP printers to get it to work with OSX and Acrobat/pdfs.

[MacBandit]

its not that much better actually..

I had crashes and i got this flickering of the menu bar down at the bottom of my second monitor

(G5 dual 2, 2.5g, Ati 9600 64mb, two cinema displays 20" and 23'").
I dont know if its it, but it wasnt acting up like that earlier.

Could be a hardware problem.

[mcdermd]

I think this was mentioned ealier, but 10.3.7 breaks PCI Extreme 2.0 (which allows Quartz Extreme to run across the PCI bus in Yikes! G4's and Blue & White or Beige G3's).

I'm not too happy about it. I guess I'll be rolling back to 10.3.6 on the B&W.

[beatle888]

whats with the negative rating?

god there are so many dogs heated up and needing some on these boards. i scanned 98% of the posts in this stupid thread trying to figure out why i shouldnt install the update because the thread had so many negative points againts it.

arn should make people accountable for positive/negative ratings. thanks for wasting my time you bitter neggers.


this looks like a solid positive in my eyes.

[Kurt Cobain]

Could be a hardware problem.

I was planning on getting ati 9800 special edition of 256mb ram, i noticed that all macs (actually the G5 ones) using that card have a smooth and very high fps on the GUI.

Others default ATI 9600 that come shipped with the macs, are not working as good and in many cases you get really choppy "genie effect" and laggy expose.
I thought it would have been fixed in 3.7, but I guess not...

I guess a new card would do it.

[erikk18]

that in safari, when you place your mouse over a bookmark, the grey shadow/rollover is not centered? or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

Long MR reader, first time poster...

[Balin64]

that in safari, when you place your mouse over a bookmark, the grey shadow/rollover is not centered? or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

Long MR reader, first time poster...

Whoa. You're Right! I had not noticed until you pointed it out.

[wdlove]

A friendly reminder about Apple's warnings:

Thank you Doctor Q. I didn't disconnect my OWC Firewire Elite with 10.3.6 or any prior upgrades. But I think that I will heed your advice. Usually when one is warned that is just the time that problems occur.

Have noted about others saying that the boot-up after the update is slow. It should be very interesting with a Dual 450 G4.

[erikk18]

Whoa. You're Right! I had not noticed until you pointed it out.


Well I am glad that I am not the only one... I know it's such a minor thing, but the more I look at it, the more it annoys me!!!

[Noiseboy]

This update didn't do anything for iSync and my Nokia 6620. Although i didn't expect it to. I am hoping tha they get this working in Tiger.

Thanks for that Stewie.
Has anyone running ProTools LE updated and then tried PT yet? Thats all thats stopping me, this seems to be a very positive update.

[jdurston]

I seem to have narrowed down the cause of excessively long login times. For those with complaints.

I was a good boy and repaired permissions and prebinding before and after along with the other stuff "Onyx" does.

I have been suffering extremely long login times and all of my macs, a 500mhz cube, 667 TiBook, and 2x2GHz G5. The desktop would appear but the menu bar would not fully load for the better part of a minute while the beachball spins.

I have a local airport (extreme) network. When I turned airport off in the menu bar and then restarted/logged out and then back in there was no delay whatsoever. I have the latest airport software installed on all computers and the basestation.

Another thing to note is that the cube is connected to the basestation thru a wired hub not wirelessly and experiences the same slow login.

There has been some discussion on 10.3.7 and DNS issues on the apple.com/support discussion forums.

It would be nice if someone could come up with a fix for this.

I believe that I have followed due diligence when upgrading.

Hope this helps someone

Josh

[lagoleer]

FYI I've been running at that res for quite a few updates, nothing new I'm afraid.

Argh, at 65hz? That would be murder on the eyes....

[lagoleer]

10.3.7 did not fix the major Diablo slowdown. Still have to run in software mode instead of OpenGL mode.....sigh

I guess maybe on older machines this is still a problem, but it DID address the problem. On my DP 2.5ghz, 10.3.6 w/ Diablo II was horrific. Major slow down, and drops into the 5-10fps range in battles.

With 10.3.7, FPS are back up to 40-60fps in heavy battles and 100fps+ in cities. Not the 100fps+ I was getting before in battles, for more than playable.

[jdurston]

Login times:

My login times turned almost to instant when I changed my Airport TCP/IP settings to DHCP with manual address from DHCP. For some reason the airport was causing a major hang up on log in even on wired connections.
(this is a further development from my previous post)

[MacBandit]

Login times:

My login times turned almost to instant when I changed my Airport TCP/IP settings to DHCP with manual address from DHCP. For some reason the airport was causing a major hang up on log in even on wired connections.
(this is a further development from my previous post)


Do you have an iPod docked to any of those computers?

[MacBandit]

I think this was mentioned ealier, but 10.3.7 breaks PCI Extreme 2.0 (which allows Quartz Extreme to run across the PCI bus in Yikes! G4's and Blue & White or Beige G3's).

I'm not too happy about it. I guess I'll be rolling back to 10.3.6 on the B&W.


The tests I've seen show that the overall system does not see any speed benefits with this hack. In fact video frame rates suffered. I wouldn't implement it QE on unsupported hardware.

Just peruse this link and you'll see what I mean.

http://xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/quartz_extreme_PCI_mod.html#storytop

[mcdermd]

While maybe there are not any true speed improvements, the UI benefits greatly from the QE over PCI hack. The only time you may notice it as a detrement is if you're gaming. The proof is actually in using it yourself. Choppy Expose, smooth Expose. Night and day.

So, I really don't care about the actual framerates, the perceived smoothness is all that matters on that machine.

[Blue Velvet]

I believe that I have followed due diligence when upgrading.

Josh

Anyone who uses the phrase 'due diligence' when upgrading deserves the blessing of the Apple Gods & Goddesses...

Max respect. :)

Merry Xmas, everyone.

BV
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