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spimp31
Sep 16, 2010, 04:40 PM
Apple really ticks me off sometimes. I like to use my Apple TV to stream audio just as much (well more) than turning it on to watch TV. For some of us this serves as a 2nd Airport Express. And yet, just to FORCE us to upgrade to the new Apple TV, they take away a feature that clearly could and should work just as it had. It's not as if the Apple TV can't receive audio, cause it work damn well from my iTunes right now! And what's worse is that the optical out on the Apple TV provides far superior sound in comparison to the Airport Express.



cRuNcHiE
Sep 16, 2010, 04:50 PM
The airport express has optical output too as thats how i use mine. Or do you mean the DAC is better on the Apple TV?

spimp31
Sep 16, 2010, 04:54 PM
The airport express has optical output too as thats how i use mine. Or do you mean the DAC is better on the Apple TV?

the AE has a toshlink mini optical output, not the same as full optical. And I believe the DAC is better on the ATV as well, but that's not the issue here. Not letting me stream video to the Apple TV is one thing if the ATV original model is just not up to snuff for that kind of GPU intensive streaming from an iOS device, but it's more than fit to stream audio just as it does from my iTunes right now.

If I can stream audio from iTunes to my Apple TV, I should be able to stream audio from my iPad as well; not spend $100 for a rather pointless (and feature restricting) device.

Shoesy
Sep 16, 2010, 05:02 PM
I don't understand what you are saying I don't think. How are apple taking a function away? No steps back here are there I don't think, just functions moving forward on new devices. Correct me if I am wrong.

spimp31
Sep 16, 2010, 05:06 PM
I don't understand what you are saying I don't think. How are apple taking a function away? No steps back here are there I don't think, just functions moving forward on new devices. Correct me if I am wrong.

It's definitely functionality that is not being provided that can and should be provided. The first gen Apple TV is more than capable of being used as AirTunes (now AirPlay) speakers through iTunes. I can also select the Apple TV as my speakers from the iTunes remote app. Yet I can't toss any audio onto the device, even though it works exactly the same as an Airport Express does with iTunes.

They are 100% limiting the functionality of the Apple TV to make you upgrade, while taking away one of its uses that its other (older) product maintains. This isn't a matter of whether the Apple TV CAN do it.

Intell
Sep 16, 2010, 05:07 PM
The AE has a toshlink mini optical output, not the same as full optical.

The mini-Toshlink on the Airport Express sends out the exact same signals as any other optical digital output, be it Apple TV or an ultra high end Blu-Ray player. It even uses the same cable, when an adapter is used.

As for not being able to stream Airtunes/Airplay audio to the Apple TV. It was a stupid thing for Apple to remove.

ClutchThese
Sep 16, 2010, 05:43 PM
I agree with the OP. That's bogus for them to not allow the audio to be sent. complete crap.

william1949
Sep 16, 2010, 05:45 PM
Am I missing something here. After reading this I went to my Apple TV and am now streaming to it from iTunes. Or is it that we won't be able to stream from the iPad/iPhone?

saving107
Sep 16, 2010, 05:48 PM
Am I missing something here. After reading this I went to my Apple TV and am now streaming to it from iTunes. Or is it that we won't be able to stream from the iPad/iPhone?

from an iPhone/iPad

spimp31
Sep 16, 2010, 05:57 PM
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I thought this was the iPad forum. I'm specifically talking about AirPlay on 4.2 beta. Now this may just be a beta, but the audio streaming works on the same protocol and it's implemented with the Airport Express, so I don't think this is a beta issue.

What sucks is that the feature itself is pretty impressive. You can now stream from any app that does quicktime video or audio. It still needs some work to give you greater control of the volume and allow you to choose which apps (not all apps) are going to the AirPlay device, but I've tested it in the following apps with success, though I'm sure it works in many others:

- Safari (videos embedded from YT and Vimeo, audio files)
- YouTube
- Netflix
- Videos
- iPod
- BBC News
- MLB

william1949
Sep 16, 2010, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, that sucks.

CristobalHuet
Sep 16, 2010, 06:29 PM
Dude, it's a beta.

Wait for the finished product. The whole point of AirPlay is that you can stream to an Apple TV...if there's no audio, then what is the point?

spimp31
Sep 16, 2010, 06:38 PM
Dude, it's a beta.

Wait for the finished product. The whole point of AirPlay is that you can stream to an Apple TV...if there's no audio, then what is the point?

The whole point is that you can stream to a NEW Apple TV that you paid $100 for. I already have an Apple TV that works fine, and that I can stream audio to from my iTunes fine. This isn't a beta issue unless they still haven't figured out to cloak the fact that you CAN send video and audio both to an old Apple TV.

ovrlrd
Sep 16, 2010, 07:17 PM
I did think it was pretty messed up when I saw AirPlay didn't work with my 1st gen Apple TV once I upgraded my iPad to the 4.2 beta. That said, it is a beta, and of course things might change who knows it is really too early to say. Yes of course it works in iTunes, but maybe there is a bug preventing it from working on the iPad. It is beta software after all.

Personally I don't care, as long as it works with the new Apple TV that will be shipping to me in a couple weeks.

sam_dlg
Sep 17, 2010, 12:37 PM
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I thought this was the iPad forum. I'm specifically talking about AirPlay on 4.2 beta. Now this may just be a beta, but the audio streaming works on the same protocol and it's implemented with the Airport Express, so I don't think this is a beta issue.

What sucks is that the feature itself is pretty impressive. You can now stream from any app that does quicktime video or audio. It still needs some work to give you greater control of the volume and allow you to choose which apps (not all apps) are going to the AirPlay device, but I've tested it in the following apps with success, though I'm sure it works in many others:

- Safari (videos embedded from YT and Vimeo, audio files)
- YouTube
- Netflix
- Videos
- iPod
- BBC News
- MLB

Have you tried pandora? If that works, then I'm installing the dev preview today. :-)

bcaslis
Sep 17, 2010, 01:27 PM
The whole point is that you can stream to a NEW Apple TV that you paid $100 for. I already have an Apple TV that works fine, and that I can stream audio to from my iTunes fine. This isn't a beta issue unless they still haven't figured out to cloak the fact that you CAN send video and audio both to an old Apple TV.

I think the issue is that things that are firmware based (like Airport Express) and are iOS 4 based can do this. But the old Apple TV is Mac OS X based. It's likely that's the issue. Note that I have the old Apple TV also, so I feel your pain. But I suspect there is an incompatibility here that is causing the problem.

spimp31
Sep 17, 2010, 05:09 PM
Have you tried pandora? If that works, then I'm installing the dev preview today. :-)

Yep, Pandora works as well, though you currently have to set your audio to AE speakers in another app, then jump into Pandora and it will play as well. It will be interesting to see what API hooks allow developers to build in audio controls into their own apps. Hopefully that occurs.

MacRumorUser
Sep 17, 2010, 07:12 PM
Airplay is pretty rough at the moment. Streaming audio often stutters, and couple of occasions I have had to restart my iPad to get sound to play through the iPad speakers after initiating airplay and sending audio to my base stations.

So let's not get worked up we are on Beta 1

shandyman
Sep 18, 2010, 05:21 AM
airplay from ipad and iphone is a new feature, is anyone REALLY surprised they're not including some new features that they haven't made compatible with an OLD device? just look at the iphones, iPhone 3G doesn't get game center, iPhone 3GS doesn't get HDR... the list can go on...

Killyp
Sep 18, 2010, 05:31 AM
And what's worse is that the optical out on the Apple TV provides far superior sound in comparison to the Airport Express.

The 1s and 0s which come out of the Apple TV's optical output are all in the same order as the 1s and 0s which come out of the Airport Express optical output, therefore (so long as your DAC isn't appalling), the sound will be identical.

Ciclismo
Sep 18, 2010, 08:12 AM
Yep, Pandora works as well, though you currently have to set your audio to AE speakers in another app, then jump into Pandora and it will play as well. It will be interesting to see what API hooks allow developers to build in audio controls into their own apps. Hopefully that occurs.

I don't get it - isn't Airplay a feature of iOS 4.2?

Slightly off topic, but I think you should be grateful - without a foreign credit card I cannot even get Pandora here in New Zealand (or Radio.de).

Kahnyl
Sep 18, 2010, 09:51 AM
Yes I'm just heartbroken that Apple no longers supports my three and a half year old device.

I may just stick my head in the oven.

CrAkD
Sep 18, 2010, 09:48 PM
yeah its super lame. Im going to get the new ATV but I was going to move my old ATV downstairs and it would be nice to have the airplay functionality in more then 1 place. I was considering getting an airport express to extend my wifi downstairs but that still wont give me video downstairs as well.

monaarts
Sep 18, 2010, 11:07 PM
OMG! I just heard that this isn't going to work with the iMac G3 I have!!!!

Seriously people, it is technology. This is what happens with EVERY company. They create something new and prevent it from working on something old to not only optimize it but also to force people to move on. They eventually need to stop supporting devices they aren't making anymore.

If it is that big of a deal, go pay $99 and get a new AppleTV!


- Joe

dissdnt
Sep 21, 2010, 02:24 PM
I'm using 4.2. What devices actually support Airplay right now? Just the airport express? I have an original AppleTV and Airport Extreme. No Airplay icon on my iPad when using iPod, video etc.

15danielp
Nov 15, 2010, 09:06 PM
The airport express has optical output too as thats how i use mine. Or do you mean the DAC is better on the Apple TV?

The Apple TV does not have a DAC. It only has an optical output which is digital. DAC means "digital to analog converter". The Apple TV does not have a analog output.

But just to note, the Airport Express has a pretty nice Bur Brown DAC. Most a/v have similar quality DACs.

15danielp
Nov 15, 2010, 09:37 PM
The Apple TV does not have a DAC. It only has an optical output which is digital. DAC means "digital to analog converter". The Apple TV does not have a analog output.

But just to note, the Airport Express has a pretty nice Bur Brown DAC. Most a/v have similar quality DACs.

Nevermind. I now see that you were referring to the first Apple TV. It has a Realtek DAC who's output is limited to 16bit/44.1k. That is pretty subpar.

goalpost
Nov 28, 2010, 04:40 PM
After spending three hours over two days trying to make my ipad stream audio over to my ATV I find out there is a issue or a "Known Issue" trying this through my airport extreme. Apple will be calling me back tomorrow with an official reply. What is upsetting is I just finished reading in the Independent Guide Book to everything MAC that the MAC is a better product due to its longevity and Hardware and Software is able to stay useable throughout the years.
Guess the wrote the article before they elected to try and Stream using AirPlay.
What sucks is you need to upgrade to get the "Good Stuff"
And of course the much waited for "AirPrint" only works with HP wireless printers. Guess the much touted Airport extreme capabilities to hook any printer up to it and print wirelessly does not fit into the new Apple Business model of making money by making us poor souls upgrade to get the "GoodStuff"