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tiptopp
Sep 17, 2010, 03:33 AM
I've just seen this: http://www.youview.com/.

As it appears to have as it's partners all of the terrestrial TV companies, I can't see them giving away all of the same stuff to Apple as well. It also does the whole Freeview and PVR thing.

I was tempted by Apple TV, and the price is almost good enough to simply try it and see how it works out, but now I don't know... Maybe Youview will incorporate Airplay?

TT



roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 04:05 AM
PS3 has BBC iPlayer
Nintendo Wii has BBC iPlayer
Most set top boxes can access BBC iPlayer
All computers with an internet connection can access BBC iPlayer

The only reason AppleTV will never support BBC iPlayer is because there is no money in it for them.

Ingster
Sep 17, 2010, 04:12 AM
But will Apple TV recieve an update to run youview in the future, such as entering a youview app, but looking at the system specs for developers you need a hard disk of 300gb minimum and a scart, darn!

The Phazer
Sep 17, 2010, 04:19 AM
But will Apple TV recieve an update to run youview in the future, such as entering a youview app, but looking at the system specs for developers you need a hard disk of 300gb minimum and a scart, darn!

And to be running Linux as an OS, so no. Never.

Phazer

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 04:29 AM
Looks very interesting and it's good to see Humax on board.

We don't get Freeview HD where I live until next year so hopefully YourView will be ready at the same time. :)

tpg
Sep 17, 2010, 04:34 AM
One reason to use a 'real' computer rather than an AppleTV (like a mac mini). You simply have much more flexibility. Am I right in thinking you can stream videos from your computer to the AppleTV though?

I'm sure there's a way to get iPlayer that way...

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 04:36 AM
One reason to use a 'real' computer rather than an AppleTV (like a mac mini). You simply have much more flexibility. Am I right in thinking you can stream videos from your computer to the AppleTV though?

I'm sure there's a way to get iPlayer that way...

I've got iPlayer running in Boxee on my hacked Apple TV.

afd
Sep 17, 2010, 07:53 AM
The only reason AppleTV will never support BBC iPlayer is because there is no money in it for them.

if apple put Safari in it, then that's iPlayer supported.

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 08:39 AM
And the likelyhood of Apple putting Safari or any other web browser on the ATV is none. Apple like to be firmly in control of what content you're able to view on the ATV once they add a browser, thus opening the door to people viewing other web based content, they lose that control and all the profits that go along with it.

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 08:50 AM
And the likelyhood of Apple putting Safari or any other web browser on the ATV is none. Apple like to be firmly in control of what content you're able to view on the ATV once they add a browser, thus opening the door to people viewing other web based content, they lose that control and all the profits that go along with it.

How do you explain the Netflix app on the US Apple TV?

Apple won't have any control of what is viewed from Netflix.

DJinTX
Sep 17, 2010, 09:27 AM
How do you explain the Netflix app on the US Apple TV?

Apple won't have any control of what is viewed from Netflix.

I am from the US, so this conversation doesn't affect me directly...
However, I think that Netflix on the US ATV is very telling and signals of good third party support to come. Apple gets no money for doing this, unless they cut a deal with netflix for a small portion of the revenue. I guess this is possible, but seems doubtful as netflix is already on a ton of devices. They don't really need Apple. So, other services could come to ATV at some point.

The main reason I wanted to comment though is because of this YouView device. If the promo video is to be believed, this sounds amazing! If I interpreted correctly it looks like it has current programming, reruns, and Live Sports. Probably the ability for premium channels. So you can pretty much watch anything anytime you want. This sounds amazing. Are all networks on board and is it super expensive?

This has to be a really new development because when Steve was asked about Apple transforming the Television industry, he made it sound currently impossible to have a go to market strategy given that every country and cable operator would have varying technologies and would be a barrier to making it work. They would all have to be on board somehow. Or maybe this is a US limitation? Maybe in the UK you all have much fewer cable companies and they are much more likely to work together. So what's the deal? and when does YouView come to the US? This is exactly what I would expect Apple to deliver. Maybe Apple is about to purchase youview. Now that would be awesome!

tiptopp
Sep 17, 2010, 09:27 AM
And the likelyhood of Apple putting Safari or any other web browser on the ATV is none. Apple like to be firmly in control of what content you're able to view on the ATV once they add a browser, thus opening the door to people viewing other web based content, they lose that control and all the profits that go along with it.

But over on another thread (and front page) is this post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11075263&postcount=10) which seems to say that lots of apps can stream to some extent via Airplay. So there's hope...

TT

McScooby
Sep 17, 2010, 10:39 AM
When I plug my iphone into tv via composite cable it can stream anything on the iplayer, so i'm hoping that this airplay will make it possible by the apple tv, at this moment i can't see why not!

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 11:16 AM
But over on another thread (and front page) is this post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11075263&postcount=10) which seems to say that lots of apps can stream to some extent via Airplay. So there's hope...

TT

If you read that post it says:-
You can now stream from any app that does quicktime video or audio.
The only quicktime stream BBC iPlayer has is a low res iPod stream that will look horrible on a TV. Alot of web based stream are still flash based and so probably wont work with Airplay.

Not to mention the fact that using Airplay you now not only need an AppleTV you also need something like a iPhone/iPad to actually send the stream. Who wants to sit watching TV with their iPhone/iPad turned on, kind of makes it pointless.

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
The main reason I wanted to comment though is because of this YouView device. If the promo video is to be believed, this sounds amazing! If I interpreted correctly it looks like it has current programming, reruns, and Live Sports. Probably the ability for premium channels. So you can pretty much watch anything anytime you want. This sounds amazing. Are all networks on board and is it super expensive?

The 4 main terrestrial TV networks (BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five) and a group of internet providers and technology companies are the driving force behind YouView. The standard programming and re-runs are all free and you don't have to pay any fees for the PVR services. I'm expecting the set-top box to cost around 300 at launch and it may also be subsidised by the ISPs.

This has to be a really new development because when Steve was asked about Apple transforming the Television industry, he made it sound currently impossible to have a go to market strategy given that every country and cable operator would have varying technologies and would be a barrier to making it work. They would all have to be on board somehow. Or maybe this is a US limitation? Maybe in the UK you all have much fewer cable companies and they are much more likely to work together. So what's the deal? and when does YouView come to the US? This is exactly what I would expect Apple to deliver. Maybe Apple is about to purchase youview. Now that would be awesome!

The two big players in the UK Pay TV market, Sky (satellite) and Virgin (cable) are not partners in this venture and don't seem very happy about it. Virgin lodged a complaint with the media regulator Ofcom in August saying it was anti-competitive and Sky have called it "nothing short of BBC mission creep".

It won't be coming to the US, it's only a UK project. As for Apple buying it, no thanks! :eek:

Queso
Sep 17, 2010, 11:53 AM
The two big players in the UK Pay TV market, Sky (satellite) and Virgin (cable) are not partners in this venture and don't seem very happy about it. Virgin lodged a complaint with the media regulator Ofcom in August saying it was anti-competitive and Sky have called it "nothing short of BBC mission creep".
Sky for one can **** off. They're just bitter that after years of having a monopoly over digital broadcasting in this country where they could charge content producers whatever they want suddenly they have competition coming from all sides. James Murdoch will also use every possible avenue to criticise the BBC, so the comments of either him or the company his father lets him run on this subject can be totally discarded.

I mean, why the hell shouldn't the major terrestrial broadcasters try and co-operate with the major Internet providers on a new delivery platform? Should everyone else stop being allowed to innovate unless Sky and/or Virgin make money from it?

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 12:09 PM
Sky for one can **** off. They're just bitter that after years of having a monopoly over digital broadcasting in this country where they could charge content producers whatever they want suddenly they have competition coming from all sides. James Murdoch will also use every possible avenue to criticise the BBC, so the comments of either him or the company his father lets him run on this subject can be totally discarded.

I mean, why the hell shouldn't the major terrestrial broadcasters try and co-operate with the major Internet providers on a new delivery platform? Should everyone else stop being allowed to innovate unless Sky and/or Virgin make money from it?

I totally agree and I'm not expecting the regulator to take any action to stop YouView. :)

DJinTX
Sep 17, 2010, 12:56 PM
The 4 main terrestrial TV networks (BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Five) and a group of internet providers and technology companies are the driving force behind YouView. The standard programming and re-runs are all free and you don't have to pay any fees for the PVR services. I'm expecting the set-top box to cost around 300 at launch and it may also be subsidised by the ISPs.



The two big players in the UK Pay TV market, Sky (satellite) and Virgin (cable) are not partners in this venture and don't seem very happy about it. Virgin lodged a complaint with the media regulator Ofcom in August saying it was anti-competitive and Sky have called it "nothing short of BBC mission creep".

It won't be coming to the US, it's only a UK project. As for Apple buying it, no thanks! :eek:

Being an Apple fan, I usually find that the US has the technology advantage as it pertains to my needs. However, the US can't touch this. I hope that YouView is upheld by the courts and is super successful. If so, then hopefully the rest of the civilized world will follow.

You may not like Apple and therefore not want them to buy YouView, and I'm sure it will never happen, but it sure would be great for me :D It's also a little strange because YouView sounds exactly like what I expect Apple to finally deliver someday in the US. For now I think our structure of cable companies and TV/Movie networks and competing technologies are too fractured for this to work.

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 01:01 PM
I agree YouView could be the service the UK has been waiting for if:-

a. They can deliver on the content aspect.
b. More importantly they can deliver a box that is usable, the main reason I cancelled my Virgin cable subscription is because the box was next to useless to operate, I could literally press a button on the remote and go and make a cup of tea before anything happened. I have also yet to find a freeview box with a good interface that works reliablely.

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 01:09 PM
You may not like Apple and therefore not want them to buy YouView, and I'm sure it will never happen, but it sure would be great for me :D It's also a little strange because YouView sounds exactly like what I expect Apple to finally deliver someday in the US. For now I think our structure of cable companies and TV/Movie networks and competing technologies are too fractured for this to work.

I like Apple products and certainly own enough of them, including the Apple TV. But this is an open project and Apple prefer the walled garden approach. They also like taking your money and the beauty of YouView is that you don't have to pay for anything unless you want anything from the premium content.

Apple want you to pay $0.99 to rent a TV show, with YouView it will be available free of charge for at least a week.

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 01:10 PM
This has to be a really new development because when Steve was asked about Apple transforming the Television industry, he made it sound currently impossible to have a go to market strategy given that every country and cable operator would have varying technologies and would be a barrier to making it work. They would all have to be on board somehow. Or maybe this is a US limitation? Maybe in the UK you all have much fewer cable companies and they are much more likely to work together. So what's the deal? and when does YouView come to the US? This is exactly what I would expect Apple to deliver. Maybe Apple is about to purchase youview. Now that would be awesome!

Bloody hell I hope not, Steve would strip out all the good parts, and then sell it back to you telling you thats it's now better than ever.... Oh no wait silly me thats what he did with the AppleTV:D:D:D

Seydlitz
Sep 17, 2010, 01:13 PM
I am from the US, so this conversation doesn't affect me directly...
However, I think that Netflix on the US ATV is very telling and signals of good third party support to come. Apple gets no money for doing this, unless they cut a deal with netflix for a small portion of the revenue. I guess this is possible, but seems doubtful as netflix is already on a ton of devices. They don't really need Apple. So, other services could come to ATV at some point.


I would be utterly and totally shocked if Apple didn't get a significant cut. Ity's telltale that the 99ct seems rather expensive considering this snippet:


How much does it cost?

Netflix costs $8.99 a month. You get 1 DVD out at-a-time which you can exchange as often as you want. Plus, you can instantly watch online on your PC or Mac or right on your TV via an Internet connected Netflix ready device. Instantly watch as often as you want, anytime you want.

Can I instantly watch TV episodes & movies via my Wii, PS3, or Xbox 360 right on my TV?

Yes, you can watch via any or all of these devices, and you are on an Unlimited plan. All of them connect to the Internet and stream from Netflix. You can watch as often as you want, anytime you want. Sign up for Netflix today and follow the instructions after sign up to get started.

I must be missing something, because it seems the Apple TV is really really expensive... Also, it seems they have to compete with XBOX 360's and PS3, which are more versatile systems (yes, esp Xbox is louder).

OllyW
Sep 17, 2010, 01:14 PM
b. More importantly they can deliver a box that is usable, the main reason I cancelled my Virgin cable subscription is because the box was next to useless to operate, I could literally press a button on the remote and go and make a cup of tea before anything happened. I have also yet to find a freeview box with a good interface that works reliablely.

I've got a Humax PVR-9300 which is simple to use and reliable. That's why I'm so pleased Humax is one of the partners in this project.

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 01:21 PM
I've got a Humax PVR-9300 which is simple to use and reliable. That's why I'm so pleased Humax is one of the partners in this project.

I've never tried a Humax box, I finally settled on using my PS3 with a PlayTV tuner, the interface is fantastic and as an added bonus it's easy to transfer recorded content to a PC for re-encoding to an AppleTV friendly format. The only thing it lacks is a series link function.

Queso
Sep 17, 2010, 01:35 PM
Being an Apple fan, I usually find that the US has the technology advantage as it pertains to my needs. However, the US can't touch this. I hope that YouView is upheld by the courts and is super successful. If so, then hopefully the rest of the civilized world will follow.
The only advantage of this over what we have already is that it's going to be multiple provider. Both TalkTalk and BT currently have well developed IPTV services offering 80 odd channels and a large library of VoD content, including catchup TV, the latest film releases and a whole bunch of free VoD content based on TV series boxsets. The TalkTalk one was inherited with their purchase of Tiscali and has been around for nearly a decade. Sadly it's been lagging lately in terms of the development work they're putting into it, but that's basically because they're planning to migrate their userbase to a YouView based platform next year.

DJinTX
Sep 17, 2010, 03:12 PM
I like Apple products and certainly own enough of them, including the Apple TV. But this is an open project and Apple prefer the walled garden approach. They also like taking your money and the beauty of YouView is that you don't have to pay for anything unless you want anything from the premium content.

Apple want you to pay $0.99 to rent a TV show, with YouView it will be available free of charge for at least a week.

For TV, I don't think Apple necessarily prefers a walled garden, I think the walled garden approach is plan B because they are having a hard time doing what YouView is doing. Now iTunes content will always cost something, and usually you will pay a premium for Apple hardware (although not so for the new ATV), but I think they are just being stifled by the networks and cable companies of the world.

An interesting article over on 9 to 5 Mac about what they believe some of the true functionality of the ATV will be involving Airplay. It's a good read...

http://www.9to5mac.com/27015/airplay-is-apples-go-to-market-internet-tv-strategy

If this is true, then it looks like Apple will be allowing free streaming of SD content, and only charging if you want HD versions. I for one am fine with free So content for catching up on shows. Although movies will definitely need to be HD.

DJinTX
Sep 17, 2010, 03:25 PM
Bloody hell I hope not, Steve would strip out all the good parts, and then sell it back to you telling you thats it's now better than ever.... Oh no wait silly me thats what he did with the AppleTV:D:D:D

Off topic...Kudos for encorporating "Bloody Hell" into your post. I think that gets you the "colorful brit" achievement for today :D

As for the new ATV, the only thing "stripped out" was the hard drive. Of course to meet one of their goals and drop the price significantly, they had to do this, and it also lined up with their streaming philosophy. I can't see Apple's roadmap, so the lack of internal storage makes me feel uneasy, but I think it will work out. They tend to know what they are doing.

Besides this, the ATV is an improvement in almost every way. The old ATV used a very old processor and video chips, was laggy, ran extremely hot, and was just stagnating. I guess some users were telling Apple it was too big, although I could care less about it's size. To me it was still much smaller than any other box on my shelf, so it was fine. Of course, I don't mind them making it tiny either.

So now it has all new internal components, it runs cool and silent, is tiny, and has a new core OS that will be much more efficient and will support apps/widgets (if apple decides to add this functionality).

I think it's going to be a very good product.

afd
Sep 17, 2010, 04:44 PM
And the likelyhood of Apple putting Safari or any other web browser on the ATV is none. Apple like to be firmly in control of what content you're able to view on the ATV once they add a browser, thus opening the door to people viewing other web based content, they lose that control and all the profits that go along with it.

I'm not so sure, Apple need to do more to make the Apple TV appeal to the masses. Putting a browser or other apps on it would add to it's appeal. The last version wasn't that different from the current so they have to do more to make it sell like iPods or iPhones.
Unless my current Apple TV dies, I won't be replacing it with a new one in it's current form. Am app store, or even just a few more apps - browser, email and some dashboard-type widgets and I'll be straight over to the Apple Shop.
You might be right about apple just wanting to restrict us to the iTunes content, but if they don't realise the devices potential I'm sure the jailbreak community will.

roidy
Sep 17, 2010, 06:14 PM
Off topic...Kudos for encorporating "Bloody Hell" into your post. I think that gets you the "colorful brit" achievement for today :D

YES, I've finally won something... Thank You.:D

As for the new ATV, the only thing "stripped out" was the hard drive. Of course to meet one of their goals and drop the price significantly, they had to do this, and it also lined up with their streaming philosophy. I can't see Apple's roadmap, so the lack of internal storage makes me feel uneasy, but I think it will work out. They tend to know what they are doing.

Actually it's not the removal of the hard drive that annoys me, I only ever stream to my ATV, it's the fact that without it I can no longer purchase content on the new AppleTV. I'm a firm believer in buying rather than renting my media, I can quite happily watch a movie or TV show 3 or 4 times and after that many watches rental becomes more expensive than buying. The fact, for me, is that now the new ATV is no longer a completely stand alone lounge experience, if I want to purchase content I will have to browse and purchase using iTunes on a computer, were as at the moment I can get comfortable on the sofa, browse for a movie, purchase it and watch it without ever having to move.

Besides this, the ATV is an improvement in almost every way. The old ATV used a very old processor and video chips, was laggy, ran extremely hot, and was just stagnating. I guess some users were telling Apple it was too big, although I could care less about it's size. To me it was still much smaller than any other box on my shelf, so it was fine. Of course, I don't mind them making it tiny either.

So now it has all new internal components, it runs cool and silent, is tiny, and has a new core OS that will be much more efficient and will support apps/widgets (if apple decides to add this functionality).

I think it's going to be a very good product.

I agree that apart from the lack of storage and the inability to purchase content that the new hardware is far more powerful, but why make it more powerful and then not use that extra power? I doubt it would of added that much more to the price for Apple to just add a tiny bit of storage so people like me could continue purchasing their media on the ATV. But Apple like the rental only business model because in the long run it will probably make them more money.

So will I be buying one.... Not at first no, for me my current ATV does much more than the new one will. I'm from the UK so no NetFlix and I'm not interested in renting TV shows. Now if and when the new AppleTV gets hacked then it becomes a different story:D

iKennett
Sep 17, 2010, 06:37 PM
You wont get YouView on the Apple TV as it wont meet the hardware requirements, you could however seen the Film/TV side of iTunes on YouView..... but a doubt that. Apple TV wasn't made with the UK in mind really.

YouView is going to blow up the UK TV market and I can't wait!

DJinTX
Sep 17, 2010, 08:44 PM
YES, I've finally won something... Thank You.:D

Actually it's not the removal of the hard drive that annoys me, I only ever stream to my ATV, it's the fact that without it I can no longer purchase content on the new AppleTV. I'm a firm believer in buying rather than renting my media...

I agree somewhat, and it would be nice to at least initiate the purchase on the ATV, even if it goes directly to your Mac instead of the ATV. Who knows, maybe Apple already has a solution for this. But honestly, I haven't bought many shows online. Some of the ones I have purchased have been deleted, and the ones I kept, I have never watched again. I anticipate my rental/purchasing frequency to increase quite a bit after getting this new AppleTV, so I may change my mind about being able to store them. And if I do I will just have to do it on my Mac.


I agree that apart from the lack of storage and the inability to purchase content that the new hardware is far more powerful, but why make it more powerful and then not use that extra power? I doubt it would of added that much more to the price for Apple to just add a tiny bit of storage so people like me could continue purchasing their media on the ATV. But Apple like the rental only business model because in the long run it will probably make them more money.



I think they will be using this extra power, but I don't think power is related to a hard drive. I think they want to use the power to stream. It seems very logical that eventually Apple wants to host all of our content at their billion dollar server farm in North Carolina. If they do this, then we won't need to store it locally. The little black box can remain cool silent and hard drive free, and still give instant access to all our media. I'm not saying I am on board with this...but it could work. It's just a very new concept to get used to.

As for you asking for a "tiny bit of storage" on the ATV... how tiny? Let's just say that the Apple TV had 40 GB, some might call that tiny...this wouldn't allow for much of a collection, and you would be full very quickly. Then you start talking about a little more and a little more...eventually you need 2TB, and that's not cheap. So no hard drive equals much better price. They can't satisfy everyone's storage needs, or can they? Maybe they can if they store everyone's content on their unlimited servers.

roidy
Sep 18, 2010, 03:25 AM
I agree somewhat, and it would be nice to at least initiate the purchase on the ATV, even if it goes directly to your Mac instead of the ATV.

Thats a great idea.

I think they will be using this extra power, but I don't think power is related to a hard drive. I think they want to use the power to stream. It seems very logical that eventually Apple wants to host all of our content at their billion dollar server farm in North Carolina. If they do this, then we won't need to store it locally. The little black box can remain cool silent and hard drive free, and still give instant access to all our media. I'm not saying I am on board with this...but it could work. It's just a very new concept to get used to.

No of course power has nothing to do with the hard drive, the point I was making is they've made the new ATV more powerful but as of yet haven't used any of that power. As for Apples "cloud storage" thats another wild idea that annoys me, Apple keeping all of my media on there server farm. It's my media I want to store and manage it myself. I don't want to sit down one Saturday night to watch one of my own movies only to have a message pop up on screen saying "Sorry Apples wizz bang new server farm is down for maintenance. Please try again later...."

As for you asking for a "tiny bit of storage" on the ATV... how tiny? Let's just say that the Apple TV had 40 GB, some might call that tiny...this wouldn't allow for much of a collection, and you would be full very quickly. Then you start talking about a little more and a little more...eventually you need 2TB, and that's not cheap. So no hard drive equals much better price. They can't satisfy everyone's storage needs, or can they? Maybe they can if they store everyone's content on their unlimited servers.

When I say a tiny bit I mean just enough to allow me to purchace media on the ATV itself, no more that 8-16Gb.

bigchrisfgb
Oct 7, 2010, 05:21 PM
I think we will see BBC iPlayer on the Apple TV. The main reason, because all of it's rivals in the UK has it, not only but Apple lack any sort of TV coverage for the Apple TV here. It may well be a case of Apple allowing BBC iPlayer on the Apple TV, with content allowed to be viewed within the usual iPlaer 1 week for nothing, while as the season of the shows end or after that date it will then go onto iTunes content that you have to pay for.

For example we might be able to watch the latest episode of Dr Who up to a week after it has first aired, then as soon as the series of DR Who ends it will be available to buy or rent on iTunes like it is available to buy on iTunes now

TheBritishBloke
Oct 8, 2010, 10:06 AM
If the App Store comes out on the ATV2, I wouldn't be surprised if BBC did jump in there, along with ITV, 4oD, 5 Demand.

I'd like BBC iPlayer, but I think they might not be let on there because "the i will cause brand confusion" xD

What I really want is Sky Player, that's more like the Netflix of the UK (excluding LOVEFiLM, there Streaming section sucks, nothing on it :/), as only subscribers who pay 50/Month for their Satellite (like me ;)) get access to it, so no loss for Apple, and it's on the Xbox 360, so I don't see why not 8]

tiptopp
Oct 8, 2010, 10:33 AM
On a different thread (lost it now), a Brit has mentioned firstly how much they love their ATV, and secondly, how they were a bit surprised that BBC and 4OD content on Youtube can't be played via the ATV Youtube channel.

To me, this means one of two things. Either Youview is too important to them to allow their content to be played through any other new, potentially high volume gadget, or there's an iPlayer and 4OD player on the way.

I pray it's the latter - or that the rumoured 'permanent' Jailbreak allows app launching on the ATV...

Cheers,

TT

The Phazer
Oct 14, 2010, 09:19 AM
On a different thread (lost it now), a Brit has mentioned firstly how much they love their ATV, and secondly, how they were a bit surprised that BBC and 4OD content on Youtube can't be played via the ATV Youtube channel.

To me, this means one of two things. Either Youview is too important to them to allow their content to be played through any other new, potentially high volume gadget, or there's an iPlayer and 4OD player on the way.

I pray it's the latter - or that the rumoured 'permanent' Jailbreak allows app launching on the ATV...

Cheers,

TT

I'm afraid all it means is that YouTube's contract to distribute Channel 4 and Five programmes (I assume you mention the BBC in error, there are no BBC full programmes on YouTube) states that YouTube *must* distribute them using RTMPE, and hence they must be played using Flash 10+.

It's worth noting that they're missing from any device that doesn't support RTMPE (including mobiles), and still there if it does (the Playstation 3 gets them, the Wii doesn't, because the PS3 has Flash 10 and the Wii only has Flash 8 and hence no RTMPE).

I don't think any of the broadcasters are holding things exclusively for YouView - the iPlayer is available on dozens of devices, and so is Demand Five, including intergrated TVs from Sony etc. My understanding from people I know at various broadcasters is simply that Apple hasn't even *asked* any UK broadcaster about Apple TV. At all. Presumably all development is being done in the US, and services Steve can't access Steve doesn't want the team wasting their time developing a UX for.

Phazer

garybUK
Oct 14, 2010, 10:07 AM
I believe this YouView (Project Canvas) is the outcome from 'Project Kangaroo' which was blocked but YouView is the modified version of said project to meet Ofcom's findings. It was an idea put forward by the BBC to create a standard 'On Demand' platform that was open-source and had certain open standards so any network could put their content on without bias and create an easier delivery method for users.

This is a great idea and should hopefully create a good on demand system.

I doubt Apple will be able to buy this thing as its a community lead project.

I read somewhere the ATV has some inbuilt storage, and solder pads for more. I don't see why this couldn't be licensed out to closed systems like the PS3 / ATV / Wii to be implemented? Maybe a 'Streaming Only' branded version of YouView for ATV etc.

tiptopp
Oct 14, 2010, 10:19 AM
I'm not a developer by any means, so don't understand how iOS works at all, but if Airplay can push video to the ATV, which it can, is there any way that Apple/BBC, etc. can stop it pushing iPlayer video? It appears to play in the same iPhone media player as anything else, so is this actually the simple answer?

Cheers,

TT

The Phazer
Oct 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
I read somewhere the ATV has some inbuilt storage, and solder pads for more. I don't see why this couldn't be licensed out to closed systems like the PS3 / ATV / Wii to be implemented? Maybe a 'Streaming Only' branded version of YouView for ATV etc.

The published specs have a mandatory hard drive, some form of broadcast tuner (I believe some of the metadata is coming with the broadcast EPG), Linux as the OS and hardware level support for Marlin DRM, so I can't see it being implemented in any of them. The PS3 is the only one of those platforms that could implement them, and I don't think it has the secure boot for the DRM into linux.

It also requires Flash...

Phazer

The Phazer
Oct 14, 2010, 10:22 AM
I'm not a developer by any means, so don't understand how iOS works at all, but if Airplay can push video to the ATV, which it can, is there any way that Apple/BBC, etc. can stop it pushing iPlayer video? It appears to play in the same iPhone media player as anything else, so is this actually the simple answer?

Cheers,

TT

They can block it in an app. Don't know about the web streams.

If the BBC don't feel they have the rights, they could always withdraw the iPhone streams and replace it with the already announced iPhone iPlayer app anyway...

Phazer