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DJinTX
Sep 22, 2010, 09:36 PM
Please be aware that this thread is not about bashing Apple for removing features or delivering an inferior product, because there are enough negative threads like that already. I just wanted to express my uncertainty at this point.


When the new AppleTV was unveiled I was pretty excited. And when I heard that it was likely to have apps and that AirPlay would allow streaming of HTML5 content on the web, I was definitely getting one. But now the excitement is fading and I am having some concerns.

First and foremost, I am not sure what to think about the lack of internal storage. I realize Apple wants to go with a completely streaming product, but I'm not sure I like the idea of my MacBook being on all the time during streaming. Maybe eventually all of our iTunes libraries will be stored on Apple's servers at their big server farm in North Carolina, and we will just stream it all over the internet. If this is the case, then problem solved. But until that time, I have to have my laptop on all the time to stream my iTunes. I have never had an Apple TV before, so who knows, maybe the instances of me wanting to stream from my Mac will be very limited. Maybe my primary usage will be Netflix and TV show rentals, making this a moot point. But it is difficult to predict.

In the last week we have heard about Warner Brothers and NBC saying 99 cents is too little for rentals, and are not coming on board. This makes me worry that maybe other networks/studios will do the same thing. If only a fraction of the shows that I would want to rent actually come to the iTunes store, then there is less value there. I really really hope that the majority of content providers get on board very soon.

So for better or worse these are my concerns. Some of you may be thinking the same things. I hope it all turns out the way I want it to, but only tme will tell. I guess the good thing is if I buy an ATV for $99, and development for it goes nowhere, at least I haven't invested much money.



blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 12:00 AM
i'm just like you, so close to purchasing but not based on the info on the table.

it's like i'm buying a product that I PLAN on getting big updates with.

For me:

-I don't have a desktop, so my MBP would have to be on, which is a bit off-putting (I use this computer alot as it is).

-I don't want to convert movies (tutorials for computer programs) just so I can stream them, especially when it takes FOREVER to convert to ATV.

-I don't have a Netflix account nor do I buy tv shows online since I have DISH network.

-Alot of the TV shows that I do want aren't available on iTunes.

As far as no-hardrive thing, to me, i just hope they don't make it a ploy to buy their Mobile Me service so I can stream through it.

AZ63
Sep 23, 2010, 01:30 AM
So, I too was waiting for Steve to update the :apple:TV. It's cute and small and just 100 bucks, still I too wavier on its purchase. I was hoping to streamline the entertainment system set up. I didn't buy a Bluray player in hopes it would be included with the update. I won't go down that road but to say instead of streamlining my entertainment system I will be adding just one more thing to it. Personally, I would have gladly paid a PS3 price for an :apple:TV with the Bluray player integrated into it because of the UI Apple does so well. On the positive side, my iMac is on virtually 24/7 which means I can stream all those pictures and videos to the big screen for nana and papa to see rather than all going to the office as we do now. I own an iPad and so that streaming is also an added plus. When we have cellular choice with the iPhone, it will bring that amazing streaming ability as well. Then those stills and movies will stream to the big screen and no more huddling around a 3.5 inch screen.
I don't stream movies from iTunes or Netflix.
I have a Blockbuster account. But what I read today in USA Today on my iPad it makes me think that I will have no choice but to go with Netflix as Blockbuster appears to be experiencing rough times.
The internal hard drive is not nearly as important to me as say being able to watch/view pictures off a USB Flash Drive or SD card. Similar products have that capability.
In the end, the choice will be, do I settle for less than what I could get else where but with a great UI or suffer with a sub-par UI but get a streamlined system.
I have a couple of months to ponder.

Truffy
Sep 23, 2010, 01:42 AM
Maybe my primary usage will be Netflix and TV show rentals, making this a moot point. But it is difficult to predict.

Here in Switzerland (probably elsewhere outside USA) it's easy enough to predict: the iTunes store doesn't support TV/film rentals or downloads at all, so the whole broohaha over which networks will serve episodes and for how much is totally moot. Leaving the lack of internal storage that much more of a hole.

blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 03:36 AM
it's funny, the more research I do, the more I realize that Apple wants to compete more with Roku/Google TV boxes. It's just that those boxes do what Apple is going to do, better. I suppose Apple's selling point is iTunes but if they don't broaden their media formats for video or allow the box to stream without having a computer on, I don't know how it'll compete.

I feel like relying on the box, which relies on my macbook which relies my internet connection is making this a decision hard for me to justify.

RandomNinjaAtk
Sep 23, 2010, 03:48 AM
It may seem their going to do it better, and very well they may be initially. But no one can predict the future the apple tv. Clearly apple has plans for it or they wouldn't have made a new one. I don't see them ever not having a device for one because even if it doesn't sell in masses, all those tv shows/movies they sell with drm still need an easy way on the big screen. I think the changes to A4 running an IOS variation (too many leaks/information and it just make sense to deny it running IOS) prove apple is going to be pushing the platform further. Even Steve Jobs has hinted at a possible App Store on it. Right now with the change to the new hardware, their just merely staging themselves in position to attack and Air Video is genius! I can't wait to get my 2 pre-ordered apple tv's from amazon! I'll have to figure out what to do with the old one now though. So in the end it may very well be better then roku/google box's. Although these boxes exist to tell you the truth they don't interest me at all. The only box that's truly interesting to me is the Boxee Box and even then still things about it that I find won't work for me, so apple tv seems to be the best for my solution!

iHeartapple2
Sep 23, 2010, 04:16 AM
I currently have a Roku box and I will keep it for right now as I don't see anything Apple TV can do that Roku can't. I mainly only use my Roku box for Netflix and YouTube anyway. I do think that Apple TV is definitely not just a hobby for them anymore and with the recent agreement with Rovi I think there are bigger things coming.

blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 04:17 AM
The only box that's truly interesting to me is the Boxee Box...

There will be a boxee box app according to Boxee's website

http://www.boxee.tv/faq

blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 04:36 AM
One question: what can ATV do when it's not connected to a computer? It should still be able to connect to the internet and stay logged into iTunes - just not be able to access downloaded material so netflix, itunes store should be accessible without a connected computer, right?

RandomNinjaAtk
Sep 23, 2010, 04:48 AM
Yes, you should still be able to stream from mobileme/netflix/flickr/internet radio and other functions that are via the internet, including renting movies and tv shows. As long as you have your itunes account setup with it.

ovrlrd
Sep 23, 2010, 05:31 AM
I have a 1st gen Apple TV and I am replacing it with the new one for several reasons.


I hate having to "sync" to the Apple TV and manage what is on the device. It takes way too long and seems to start doing it at odd times, and I can never choose which of my computers will be the one that gets synced. So I just choose to not sync any of them and just do streaming only.
While it is nice to have the internal storage for downloading directly off the iTunes store on the Apple TV, I never end up doing this because the interface is not very good for browsing the iTunes store. So the internal storage gets completely wasted.
To compensate for no syncing, all my Macs are set to "Wake for network access" in energy saver prefs, which allows my AirPort Extreme Base Station to automatically wake up any Mac from sleep mode when the Apple TV wants to use it. This means I never have to worry about manually waking up a computer when I want to access it's media. This solves the whole "I hate having my computer on 24/7 to use Apple TV" complaint.
I never actually purchase anything off iTunes (outside the App Store and iBookstore) and only like to rent content. I don't like the fact that iTunes music is not lossless, so I never buy any of it. All of the movies and TV shows have DRM, so I feel like it is a waste to keep them around when I can't play them back on anything but Apple players. So I rent everything that way I don't feel guilty about buying some DRM-filled file that I will end up deleting anyway. Love the focus on renting that Apple is doing now!
AirPlay. There is not much I have to say here, but considering I own an iPhone and an iPad, and everyone I know who comes over has an iPhone, it is just an absolutely killer feature and pretty much stomps all over any of the other features for me.


I realize that not everyone has the same needs as me, but maybe the new Apple TV is just not made for everyone anyway? It is still a "hobby" for Apple and they feel like having no internal storage is the right direction, and I have to agree with them (as long as there is enough hidden storage for future expansion).

Not everyone is going to have an AirPort Extreme Base Station (or Timecapsule or whatever) plus a supported Mac that does "Wake on network access" but it does seem like Apple is kind of pointing at that as the solution for the "I hate having to turn my computer on to access shares on my Apple TV" complaints.

Not everyone likes renting stuff, and some people love to buy stuff right on their Apple TV. I personally never liked buying things on the Apple TV. If I can't rent it or stream it for free I don't want to deal with it.

Also, no internal storage means no more hard drive noise, no more heat, and the whole package is much smaller. Could they have added some solid state memory like the iPhone or iPad has (which means no heat or noise)? Well, of course they could have done that, but clearly that is not the direction they want to take it right now. Perhaps sometime in the future if there is still a demand for "syncing" (ugh, I have a headache just thinking about the memories of doing it with my 1st gen) then maybe they will start selling Apple TVs with a storage option. I doubt it though, seems they are preparing for the cloud stuff.

mike457
Sep 23, 2010, 06:27 AM
I've gone back and forth about the new ATV. I ordered one the first day, then cancelled it, and now I've reordered it. The syncing issue has never bothered me. I have an iMac in my guest room, but I don't like running it all the time, especially when I have guests. Having most of the music and some of the videos that I play regularly right on the ATV works well for me. I even got my hands dirty and expanded the storage to 320GB. Even the best wireless network has occasional drop-outs, and I hate that in the middle of my music; the current model avoids that. I don't rent TV shows, and I live in Canada, so the selection is not great. Netflix has only just opened in Canada, and their selection is not great; besides, I already have a device that plays Netflix.

After thinking more about it all, I did the reorder because 1) I decided that the slight technical advantage of supporting 30fps in 720P was all right; 2) ATV apps (should they turn up) could be huge; 3) the old ATV will not get any improvements; 4) losing the noise and heat of a hard drive from my living room is a bonus.

In the end, though, I don't find myself saying, "This is an awesome product that will change my life."

blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 06:49 AM
I literally have engulfed myself in everything it can and can't do and what it can possibly do; I have decided with the smaller pricetag that it's worth taking the leap of faith for this product. A little bit is trusting Apple and the rest is just knowing your entertainment viewing habits.

so yeah, I placed my order a few minutes ago..:apple:

ships on Oct. 15th for me, arriving on the 20th..

iancheyne
Sep 23, 2010, 07:29 AM
I actually like the fact that the aTV sync's, even though it takes time ... As I've noted before I have an ATV flash hack so all of my sync is to an external HD and I consider this a backup, plus it solves any network streaming issues. I will buy a new aTV for our guest room as there is enough movie, TV show material stored on my network that I will be able keep the grandparents happy without having to pay for another cable box.

Privacy is a two way street :D

DJinTX
Sep 23, 2010, 08:25 AM
There will be a boxee box app according to Boxee's website

http://www.boxee.tv/faq

I hate to rain on your parade but...

While there may eventually be a Boxee app for the new ATV (which would be cool), there is nothing in the link you provided that indicates this. What they are referring to is running Boxee on the old ATV. Even if they do plan a Boxee app, Apple would never let them admit to it before Apple announces it. Especially not in a FAQ.

iSee
Sep 23, 2010, 08:27 AM
To decide if ATV is for you, I think you need to focus first on what it can do and then decide if that's something you're interested in. I'm guessing the main features of potential interest to most people is:

(1) Movie rentals from iTunes store to TV
(2) TV show rentals from iTunes store to TV
(3) Netflix streaming content to TV
(4) View media from your own media server to TV

Breaking it down a little:

(2) The selection of shows for (2) is limited and may never get better (in fact the selection may shrink). So probably not a generally useful feature after all.

(4) only makes sense if you have a media server. If you don't, you'd have to do something like press your MBP into service as a temporary media server, which, of course, isn't ideal.

So (1) and (3) are really the biggies. Is it worth $99 to you to have a (presumably) easy-to-use TV interface for choosing and viewing this content?

ATV can do some other things: choose and view content from youtube and (I think?) photos or something from your mobile me account. It's hard for me to believe there are any significant number of people that would consider these killer features. I guess there are youtube junkies out there.

I'm guessing the real strength of ATV will be to support choosing and viewing content from any internet source via custom apps (available through an ATV app store. And then there will be the games. But that's based on speculation that Apple will open up the device for development and host an app store. Obviously if you want that kind of thing you can buy if/when it actually happens.

For me, I'm waiting until the ATV app store opens.

OllyW
Sep 23, 2010, 08:52 AM
To decide if ATV is for you, I think you need to focus first on what it can do and then decide if that's something you're interested in. I'm guessing the main features of potential interest to most people is:

(1) Movie rentals from iTunes store to TV
(2) TV show rentals from iTunes store to TV
(3) Netflix streaming content to TV
(4) View media from your own media server to TV

Breaking it down a little:

It all depends where you live. ;)

(1) So far only available in the US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Germany, France, Australia & New Zealand.
(2) So far only available in the US.
(3) So far only available in the US & Canada (soon).

OptyCT
Sep 23, 2010, 09:03 AM
Guys, the deciding factor for me is that it's only $99. I thought of the things that I bought (or will be buying) for over $100 and it was a no-brainer. If, down the road, they introduce an AppStore for it, expanded network show rentals, 1080p streaming, etc, that's all gravy. I think the "bang for the buck" is already there at its low entry price point. However, if it was $299, that'd be a different debate.

CrAkD
Sep 23, 2010, 09:36 AM
Airplay and $99 make it worth it for me. Plus I feel apple has plenty up it's sleeve for this device. It's only $99 no real risk.

dmm219
Sep 23, 2010, 09:47 AM
um folks, the reasonable thing to do is wait until its released and tested. See what it really can and can't do, and then make your decision.

We do not yet know for sure that AirPlay will stream everything. We do not yet know exactly how much flash memory it will have. We do not yet know if the streaming performance will be significantly better than ATV1's rather poor performance...

It makes absolutely no financial sense, whatsoever, to drop $100 on this thing at this point...wait a month...than make up your mind...

Lack of patience is what makes everyone debt slaves in this country.

WiiDSmoker
Sep 23, 2010, 10:12 AM
Guys, the deciding factor for me is that it's only $99. I thought of the things that I bought (or will be buying) for over $100 and it was a no-brainer. If, down the road, they introduce an AppStore for it, expanded network show rentals, 1080p streaming, etc, that's all gravy. I think the "bang for the buck" is already there at its low entry price point. However, if it was $299, that'd be a different debate.

If they decide to do 1080P, it'll require a new box. Just a FYI.

KDR
Sep 23, 2010, 01:51 PM
Guys, the deciding factor for me is that it's only $99. I thought of the things that I bought (or will be buying) for over $100 and it was a no-brainer. If, down the road, they introduce an AppStore for it, expanded network show rentals, 1080p streaming, etc, that's all gravy. I think the "bang for the buck" is already there at its low entry price point. However, if it was $299, that'd be a different debate.

Bingo! People, it's only $99. If it succeeds, this is only the beginning and everything you want will come in time. If not, you only lost $99.

blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 04:10 PM
It's not that it's inexpensive enough to just throw around $, it's that the product has some clear cut selling points that justify the cost with plenty of room for upgrades. That's why the cost isn't $229 - Apple made it cheaper because they want us to buy it and then they'll reveal longer term plans in the near future.

Now, when you all refer to "App stores" for ATV, I hope that also includes "Channel stores" too.

iggypod
Sep 23, 2010, 04:16 PM
Airplay and $99 make it worth it for me. Plus I feel apple has plenty up it's sleeve for this device. It's only $99 no real risk.

My thoughts exactly. I'm anxious for Airplay capabilities which will make ATV another nice to have idevice accessory.

tripjammer
Sep 23, 2010, 04:49 PM
This is an awesome product and it is going to change my life!

So I ordered one!

tbayrgs
Sep 23, 2010, 05:01 PM
I have a 1st gen Apple TV and I am replacing it with the new one for several reasons.


I hate having to "sync" to the Apple TV and manage what is on the device. It takes way too long and seems to start doing it at odd times, and I can never choose which of my computers will be the one that gets synced. So I just choose to not sync any of them and just do streaming only.
While it is nice to have the internal storage for downloading directly off the iTunes store on the Apple TV, I never end up doing this because the interface is not very good for browsing the iTunes store. So the internal storage gets completely wasted.
To compensate for no syncing, all my Macs are set to "Wake for network access" in energy saver prefs, which allows my AirPort Extreme Base Station to automatically wake up any Mac from sleep mode when the Apple TV wants to use it. This means I never have to worry about manually waking up a computer when I want to access it's media. This solves the whole "I hate having my computer on 24/7 to use Apple TV" complaint.
I never actually purchase anything off iTunes (outside the App Store and iBookstore) and only like to rent content. I don't like the fact that iTunes music is not lossless, so I never buy any of it. All of the movies and TV shows have DRM, so I feel like it is a waste to keep them around when I can't play them back on anything but Apple players. So I rent everything that way I don't feel guilty about buying some DRM-filled file that I will end up deleting anyway. Love the focus on renting that Apple is doing now!
AirPlay. There is not much I have to say here, but considering I own an iPhone and an iPad, and everyone I know who comes over has an iPhone, it is just an absolutely killer feature and pretty much stomps all over any of the other features for me.


I realize that not everyone has the same needs as me, but maybe the new Apple TV is just not made for everyone anyway? It is still a "hobby" for Apple and they feel like having no internal storage is the right direction, and I have to agree with them (as long as there is enough hidden storage for future expansion).

Not everyone is going to have an AirPort Extreme Base Station (or Timecapsule or whatever) plus a supported Mac that does "Wake on network access" but it does seem like Apple is kind of pointing at that as the solution for the "I hate having to turn my computer on to access shares on my Apple TV" complaints.

Not everyone likes renting stuff, and some people love to buy stuff right on their Apple TV. I personally never liked buying things on the Apple TV. If I can't rent it or stream it for free I don't want to deal with it.

Also, no internal storage means no more hard drive noise, no more heat, and the whole package is much smaller. Could they have added some solid state memory like the iPhone or iPad has (which means no heat or noise)? Well, of course they could have done that, but clearly that is not the direction they want to take it right now. Perhaps sometime in the future if there is still a demand for "syncing" (ugh, I have a headache just thinking about the memories of doing it with my 1st gen) then maybe they will start selling Apple TVs with a storage option. I doubt it though, seems they are preparing for the cloud stuff.

Other than #5, none of your reasons are problems alleviated by the new :apple:TV.

1). You're not forced to sync with the old :apple:TV--as you stated, you just stream, EXACTLY what you'll do with the new one--no change.
2). This makes no sense. How exactly does buying a new :apple:TV fix this?
3). Again, this also makes no sense. Stream from the old or new :apple:TV and you need to have your computer on. You just provided a solution for anyone who doesn't want to leave it on all the time.
4). You are aware that I'll be able to rent the exact same content to watch on my old :apple:TV, aren't you? Yes, I'll have to do so on my computer but you said it yourself, "the interface is not very good for browsing the iTunes store" on the :apple:TV, so I suspect based on your preferences you'll be doing the same, considering the UI on the new :apple:TV looks pretty much identical to the current one.

Some of these reasons might be good justification on choosing between buying either the old or new unit but you already have on and nothing here is really any different between the two. You sound pretty stoked about AirPlay so they alone may be worth spending another $99. Unless you're able to stream content from apps other than iTunes AND the use of AirPlay is not restricted to a specific iTunes account (neither confirmed), I really don't see the advantage of it. If I have video/music on my iPad/iPhone, I also already have it on my computer and thus would just stream it from there.

gglockner
Sep 24, 2010, 09:52 AM
In my case, the lack of sync is a real drawback to the new Apple TV. We use the original Apple TV in lieu of a DVD player. My son can turn on the TV, switch to Apple TV, and watch any of his movies or TV shows. They're all there, regardless of whether another computer is on with iTunes open. With the new Apple TV, to watch movies from your own library, you have to have iTunes open on a computer. This is a major drawback.

When I first heard about the new Apple TV, I hoped that the USB port could be used for local storage, so that you could sync just like the original model. Unfortunately, this is not the case, at least not today. Perhaps this will be enabled in the future through an official app or through a hack. Until then, I'm probably going to keep my original Apple TV.

I'd consider the Boxee or other device, but I've invested a bit in iTunes movies (darn you, DRM), and I want to have access to that content in our media room.

If Front Row was getting regular updates, I'd consider replacing the Apple TV with a Mac Mini, but Front Row seems like an orphaned product. Plus, although Mac OS X requires less reboots than Windows, it is still a computer that requires periodic system updates. That's not acceptable for a media room.

Jimmdean
Sep 24, 2010, 10:25 AM
Eventually your combined media libraries get to the point where all you can do is stream, especially if you want to play media on 2 or more devices. The internal storage of the old AppleTV was never all that big, and most people don't want to hack. As for the new AppleTV, give me Apps for Plex and EyeTV playback, and it's perfect...

Edit:
Obviously, put me in the "720P is perfectly fine" camp - I realize that is not ideal for some...

newagemac
Sep 24, 2010, 01:52 PM
Unless you're able to stream content from apps other than iTunes AND the use of AirPlay is not restricted to a specific iTunes account (neither confirmed), I really don't see the advantage of it. If I have video/music on my iPad/iPhone, I also already have it on my computer and thus would just stream it from there.

That's not true. It has already been confirmed in the iOS 4.2 beta that Airplay works with 3rd Party apps. In fact it works with any app that uses the regular built in iPhone video player. That includes apps like MLB at Bat, Air Video, Plex, Vevo, Safari, EyeTV, ABC, etc. Don't forget with Safari, you have a whole universe of web video that you can push to your HDTV. As long as it is plays on the iOS device it should play on the new Apple TV.

Also, you can easily have content on your iOS device that is not on your computer that Airplay will be awesome for. The aforementioned apps are one big example. The pictures and HD video you record on your iPhone is another. You can record 720p HD video of an event, edit it in the iMovie app on your iPhone, and then watch it immediately on your HDTV without any syncing or waiting involved. Or just play the clips as is as soon as you step back in the house.

And don't forget you can download content straight from the iTunes store on your iphone or ipad so if you're sitting on the couch and you want to purchase something and play it without getting up, you can do it on your iOS device and Airplay it right there. No Mac or PC even needed. :apple:

benhollberg
Sep 26, 2010, 02:20 PM
Apple's website: "Apple TV has been redesigned to be small in size but big on entertainment. Rent from the largest selection of HD movies many available the same day they come out on DVD. Watch Netflix titles instantly. Rent TV shows, commercial free in HD. And stream photos and music from your computer to your widescreen TV. Best of all, Apple TV is just $99."

It does not say stream videos or TV Shows or movies to the Apple TV from iTunes.

I have pre-ordered the new Apple TV and am just noticing this, I want to be able to stream my movies directly from my Mac and not have to go through my iPhone or iPad.

Does anyone know if you will be able to stream from a computer or if you have to go through an iOS device? I also plan on contacting Apple after the weekend is over to get this figured out.

GeekLawyer
Sep 26, 2010, 05:17 PM
Does anyone know if you will be able to stream from a computer or if you have to go through an iOS device? I also plan on contacting Apple after the weekend is over to get this figured out.You'll be fine. You can use AirPlay to stream from an iOS device. In addition to this new feature, AppleTV will also stream from your computer. Likely from iTunes.

newagemac
Sep 26, 2010, 06:59 PM
I just looked at the Keynote again and Steve went to the "Computers" menu and clicked on "Steve's iMac". Then the options available there were Music, Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Itunes U, and Photos. So no it's not just Music and Photos from your own computer.

He also mentioned if you have a Mobileme subscription you can watch your videos and photo galleries posted there as well.

tbayrgs
Sep 26, 2010, 07:45 PM
That's not true. It has already been confirmed in the iOS 4.2 beta that Airplay works with 3rd Party apps. In fact it works with any app that uses the regular built in iPhone video player. That includes apps like MLB at Bat, Air Video, Plex, Vevo, Safari, EyeTV, ABC, etc. Don't forget with Safari, you have a whole universe of web video that you can push to your HDTV. As long as it is plays on the iOS device it should play on the new Apple TV.

Sorry, but only audio has actually been streamed successfully to an Airport Express from a beta version. Apple is notorious for crippling their devices and seeing how iOS 4.2 is still a good 1 1/2 to 2 months away, this capability could definitely change. Not to mention that any of these apps could also disable this feature. I believe Steve Job's exact words in reply to this question of what would play through Airplay were "everything played in the Videos app." Only upon confirmation by Apple or actually seeing it work using iOS 4.2 will I believe it.

Also, you can easily have content on your iOS device that is not on your computer that Airplay will be awesome for. The aforementioned apps are one big example. The pictures and HD video you record on your iPhone is another. You can record 720p HD video of an event, edit it in the iMovie app on your iPhone, and then watch it immediately on your HDTV without any syncing or waiting involved. Or just play the clips as is as soon as you step back in the house.

I'll agree, the ability to show pictures and videos taken with the iPhone is a nice benefit.

And don't forget you can download content straight from the iTunes store on your iphone or ipad so if you're sitting on the couch and you want to purchase something and play it without getting up, you can do it on your iOS device and Airplay it right there. No Mac or PC even needed. :apple:

I certainly understand you could have music/video content on your iOS device that isn't on your computer, I just don't think it's that likely. I have never downloaded music or video on my iPhone/iPad straight from iTunes--takes too long and since we have a few iOS devices in the house, I'd rather take care of that on the home computer and sync out to the devices, rather than the other way around. Really not that hard to walk a few steps to my computer and download the material--just my opinion.

DarkAether
Sep 27, 2010, 06:05 AM
Weighing the options, I decided to get a 2nd gen 1 ATV at the clearance price. I just like the idea of the storage, the wider variety of connectivity options and - at least for now - the better hackability. I'm sure the latter will change eventually, but with the lack of storage, I still believe it will be limited.

shotts56
Sep 27, 2010, 06:40 AM
And don't forget you can download content straight from the iTunes store on your iphone or ipad so if you're sitting on the couch and you want to purchase something and play it without getting up, you can do it on your iOS device and Airplay it right there. No Mac or PC even needed. :apple:

Yes, but to do that you will have to wait until the item has finished downloading (which could be some time if its an HD movie, for example).

A step backwards as the old Apple TV could play something you had purchased before it had finished downloading.

newagemac
Sep 27, 2010, 03:59 PM
Another deciding factor for me was the speed of the UI. If you can move around the menus as fast as was demonstrated by SJ in the keynote, that's a great feature all by itself. I absolutely hate slow menus on a media center box. It's one of the reasons why I decided not to buy the new Tivo Premiere and what frustrated me the most about my Directv HR21 I got rid of.

I played around with the original Apple TV and it was a bit slow at times but not as bad as the aforementioned devices. The new one appeared to be blazing fast though. I'm sure the A4 processor has a lot to do with the speed increase.

benhollberg
Sep 27, 2010, 09:39 PM
I just looked at the Keynote again and Steve went to the "Computers" menu and clicked on "Steve's iMac". Then the options available there were Music, Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, Itunes U, and Photos. So no it's not just Music and Photos from your own computer.

He also mentioned if you have a Mobileme subscription you can watch your videos and photo galleries posted there as well.

Great to know. Just noticed my Apple TV is "Prepared for Shipment"!

tripjammer
Sep 28, 2010, 01:02 AM
Great to know. Just noticed my Apple TV is "Prepared for Shipment"!

Same here I can't wait! Its like early Xmas!!!