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Macwick
Sep 23, 2010, 11:11 PM
I personally don't care that the Apple TV2 has no local storage - I'm fine with streaming everything from my iMac. However, it does raise an interesting question - with the original Apple TV you could buy music from iTunes directly on the Apple TV (it would later be synced back to your Mac).

Anyone know if you can still do this with the new Apple TV? I don't care if I can't buy movies but I regularly buy music directly on my Apple TV, and I'd hate to lose this feature....



blueprint1983
Sep 23, 2010, 11:12 PM
same goes for tv shows and movies, i'd assume it'd download similar to a fashion when you open iTunes and a podcast gets updated..

DJinTX
Sep 24, 2010, 08:21 AM
same goes for tv shows and movies, i'd assume it'd download similar to a fashion when you open iTunes and a podcast gets updated..

Are you saying that your guess is that you can buy music on the new AppleTV and then when you go to iTunes it will automatically download?

I would be very shocked if it worked this way because they specifically said you won't be able to buy movies r TV shows on the new ATV, only rent them. Any purchases of TV shows/movies will have to be done in iTunes. So, I would be surprised if music were any different.

dmm219
Sep 24, 2010, 08:55 AM
Are you saying that your guess is that you can buy music on the new AppleTV and then when you go to iTunes it will automatically download?

I would be very shocked if it worked this way because they specifically said you won't be able to buy movies r TV shows on the new ATV, only rent them. Any purchases of TV shows/movies will have to be done in iTunes. So, I would be surprised if music were any different.

I agree. I still think this will be a big negative on the new ATV when it comes out. There simply will be no content there. The store will basically be empty except for movie rentals and few, sparse selection of TV shows. The huge library that exists on currently on the old ATV will be non existent on the new one.

The will greatly impact and limit the convenience of the end user on the couch.

Personally, I think rentals will fail as FOX pulls out later this year. At that point, the new ATV will have little going for it. Apple will NEED to add apps or make sure AirPlay works with any iOS product in order to make it useful.

Its way to early to buy one of these...the picture will be a lot clearer a year from now.

OptyCT
Sep 24, 2010, 11:23 AM
I agree. I still think this will be a big negative on the new ATV when it comes out. There simply will be no content there. The store will basically be empty except for movie rentals and few, sparse selection of TV shows. The huge library that exists on currently on the old ATV will be non existent on the new one.

The will greatly impact and limit the convenience of the end user on the couch.

Personally, I think rentals will fail as FOX pulls out later this year. At that point, the new ATV will have little going for it. Apple will NEED to add apps or make sure AirPlay works with any iOS product in order to make it useful.

Its way to early to buy one of these...the picture will be a lot clearer a year from now.

Do you often bet against Steve Jobs? Fox isn't going anywhere. Rupert Murdoch's News Corp has way too much invested in print newspapers and he sees the iPad as the savior of newspapers. Murdoch's partnership with Apple is a natural.

As for NBC/CBS, their recent negative comments toward Apple's rental pricing structure were done to appease their nervous advertisers. As we know, iTunes TV show rentals exclude advertising/commercials. The networks aren't truly concerned that the 99 cent rental price "devalues content". The networks already do a good enough job of devaluing content by putting out tons of unwatchable programs. They are just scared of losing advertising dollars. However, with advertising revenue at an all-time low, the networks have already been abandoned by their sponsored partners. The networks are actively looking to replace this lost revenue. Itunes rentals gives the networks that second source of income. Overall, this will also be beneficial to the advertisers, who will better be able to negotiate lower advertising contracts with the networks. The networks will take the reduced revenue from advertisers because they'll be making up for it on the other end with the rentals.

The way I see it, Apple holds the cards here. They're the ones that have the army of 150 million iTunes users. All they have to do is show the revenue dollars that ABC & Fox are making from 99 cent rentals, and CBS/NBC won't be able to resist jumping on board. Remember, when iTunes launched, it didn't have the full support of every record label. Some record labels were charging up to $3.99 per song on their websites. The 99 cent per song price was groundbreaking and made the record companies very nervous. Sound familiar?

DJinTX
Sep 24, 2010, 01:42 PM
Do you often bet against Steve Jobs? Fox isn't going anywhere. Rupert Murdoch's News Corp has way too much invested in print newspapers and he sees the iPad as the savior of newspapers. Murdoch's partnership with Apple is a natural.

As for NBC/CBS, their recent negative comments toward Apple's rental pricing structure were done to appease their nervous advertisers. As we know, iTunes TV show rentals exclude advertising/commercials. The networks aren't truly concerned that the 99 cent rental price "devalues content". The networks already do a good enough job of devaluing content by putting out tons of unwatchable programs. They are just scared of losing advertising dollars. However, with advertising revenue at an all-time low, the networks have already been abandoned by their sponsored partners. The networks are actively looking to replace this lost revenue. Itunes rentals gives the networks that second source of income. Overall, this will also be beneficial to the advertisers, who will better be able to negotiate lower advertising contracts with the networks. The networks will take the reduced revenue from advertisers because they'll be making up for it on the other end with the rentals.

The way I see it, Apple holds the cards here. They're the ones that have the army of 150 million iTunes users. All they have to do is show the revenue dollars that ABC & Fox are making from 99 cent rentals, and CBS/NBC won't be able to resist jumping on board. Remember, when iTunes launched, it didn't have the full support of every record label. Some record labels were charging up to $3.99 per song on their websites. The 99 cent per song price was groundbreaking and made the record companies very nervous. Sound familiar?

Agreed. Steve Jobs definitely knows what he is doing. I read an article yesterday that Apple has just moved up and is now the second largest company in the world in terms of market value. Which is amazing when considering where they were in the mid to late 90s. This doesn't happen by accident.

As for the rest of your post, I have been worried about this for about a week now, but you are make a lot of sense. I hope you are 100% correct.