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Richard8655
Sep 26, 2010, 02:41 PM
I know this has been discussed before. But lack of arrow keys to me is a big issue and flaw with the product. Many websites present a dialog or input entry box that is impossible to scroll and navigate in, without arrow keys. This even includes this website where once you enter your comments and attempt to go back to edit, you can't scroll within the data entry window.

Am I missing some new functionality with iPad that provides cursor navigation, or is everyone experiencing the same problem?



flopticalcube
Sep 26, 2010, 02:43 PM
I also feel this is an issue.

PhazonUK
Sep 26, 2010, 02:49 PM
I may have completely misunderstood your post. But you can move the cursor by holding your finger down on the screen inside a text box.

StuartL
Sep 26, 2010, 02:50 PM
Hold your finger in the input box so the magnifying glass appears and drag off the box to the left or right of the box and the text should scroll.

Don Kosak
Sep 26, 2010, 02:57 PM
You can scroll inside of those boxes by using two fingers close together and sliding them up or down inside of the box.

It's a little inconvenient, and if you do a lot of editing, you'll sometimes find that there is an App available to make editing much easier. There are apps for Wordpress, and MediaWiki, and other popular types of sites.

(full disclosure: one of the wiki editing apps is mine.)

Richard8655
Sep 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Yes, thanks guys, that does work (magnifying glass and 2 fingers screen control). Not well known and I didn't see these techniques described in the iPad user guide. Both a bit kludgy, but these are certainly better than nothing. Thanks again.

Don Kosak
Sep 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Two finger scroll is really the way Apple designed those boxes to work. The magnifying glass trick is kind of kludgy. LOL

pooryou
Sep 26, 2010, 03:00 PM
Two finger scroll sucks though, doesn't work right half the time.

You can also use a physical keyboard, USB (with adapter) or BT but I realize that's not really a 'solution'.

flopticalcube
Sep 26, 2010, 03:07 PM
On a similar note, I would like to see a small number row on the top of the alpha keyboard. It's pain to keep switching.

Richard8655
Sep 26, 2010, 03:12 PM
On a similar note, I would like to see a small number row on the top of the alpha keyboard. It's pain to keep switching.

Same here with this issue... much needed improvement. Looks like an external keyboard (per pooryou) or Apps (per Don) are the only available practical solutions for now.

Corndog5595
Sep 26, 2010, 03:14 PM
I know this has been discussed before. But lack of arrow keys to me is a big issue and flaw with the product. Many websites present a dialog or input entry box that is impossible to scroll and navigate in, without arrow keys. This even includes this website where once you enter your comments and attempt to go back to edit, you can't scroll within the data entry window.

Am I missing some new functionality with iPad that provides cursor navigation, or is everyone experiencing the same problem?

Scroll in areas, such as a forum post box, with two fingers in the box at a time.

flopticalcube
Sep 26, 2010, 03:15 PM
It would be great if apple let you install a 3rd party keyboard program so that you can get a keyboard of your choice in all apps.

Piggie
Sep 26, 2010, 04:05 PM
Yes, also agree the hold a finger down and magnifying glass idea is an unnecessary complication when just 1 press on a keyboard arrow would do the job 20x faster

phyrexia
Sep 26, 2010, 04:10 PM
I use iTap RDP Client and the keyboard it uses is perfect. It has another page with function keys, arrows, etc.

The stock keyboard needs another page with a numpad and some arrows. There is even room for a button for it. Switch to the number keyboard and there is an empty place where the ? key is.

I can't scroll sideways using the two finger method (for instance, in Safari's address bar) but can scroll vertically using this method. Do others share this experience or am I holding it wrong?

Does anybody know how to turn the keyboard black? I have seem some shots but can't find it in the interface.

tmarks11
Sep 26, 2010, 04:53 PM
I was hoping that the "more keyboard" types in the OS4.2 keynote speach meant we were going to see a five row keyboard (numbers on the top row), and dedicated cursor and DEL key.

Since no beat testers have reported this, I guess we will have to live without a fully functional keyboard awhile longer. Rats.

It is ironic that theipad keyboard doc has arrow keys. So someone at Apple must have felt they were needed.

I miss a good keyboard more then I miss flash.

Which isn't hard, since the only place I miss flash is at the vanguard website, and they do have an app for that (although not an HD one).

kirky29
Sep 26, 2010, 05:25 PM
I'd actually love to see the arrow keys, I feel dragging the magnification glass to be slow at times. :)

Ciclismo
Sep 26, 2010, 07:14 PM
Since no beat testers have reported this, I guess we will have to live without a fully functional keyboard awhile longer. Rats.

On the flip side, I haven't heard from anyone about any of the new keyboards, and it was announced that there would be many new layouts coming (but no specifics, so I hope one of them is UK English Dvorak).

Ashka
Sep 27, 2010, 12:44 AM
Does anybody know how to turn the keyboard black? I have seem some shots but can't find it in the interface.

The black keyboard turns up with a long passcode lock. Not sure if it works now as I do not have a Passlock on but does in iOS4.

skullnbones
Sep 27, 2010, 01:45 AM
Even with two finger scrolling, it scrolls the text that I've written, but leaves the cursor where it was - in the physical position - in the box, such that the cursor ends up several lines down the text to where I wanted it. I flind moving the cursor in small news website text boxes to be incredibly frustrating.

I'm typing this on a bluetooth keyboard not a very good one mind you - the freedom pro. I did use the Apple BT keybaord for a while and it's a great keyboard but it's not very portable in a small ipad bag.

PhelpsiPhan
Sep 27, 2010, 03:01 AM
Yeah i really hate having to hold my finger on the screen then awkwardly drag it around to get where i need to be

enrvuk
Sep 27, 2010, 04:00 AM
the single most frustrating thing on my iPad. It often takes longer to make small edits on an article than it does to type it.

TraceyS/FL
Sep 27, 2010, 04:19 AM
Everyone has left feedback of their wishes right??? Because apple won't get it from here!!

Apple.com/feedback is the place to go!

enrvuk
Sep 27, 2010, 05:07 AM
Everyone has left feedback of their wishes right??? Because apple won't get it from here!!

Apple.com/feedback is the place to go!

GPWM.

I just did.

kirky29
Sep 27, 2010, 06:03 AM
Everyone has left feedback of their wishes right??? Because apple won't get it from here!!

Apple.com/feedback is the place to go!


I just did it too! :)

TraceyS/FL
Sep 27, 2010, 06:30 AM
I just did it too! :)

Cool beans!!!! you guys have taken the first step into getting what you want.... Maybe.....someday anyway! LOL!

Now, tell all your friends to do the same when they complain :D

PhelpsiPhan
Sep 27, 2010, 07:04 AM
Cool beans!!!! you guys have taken the first step into getting what you want.... Maybe.....someday anyway! LOL!

Now, tell all your friends to do the same when they complain :D

Apple may read MacRumors....;)

TraceyS/FL
Sep 27, 2010, 07:19 AM
Apple may read MacRumors....;)

Oh I'm sure they have someone reading it, but they have stated time and time again that they have no clue on some issues that have been bitched about in the forums.

Nothing wrong with getting an official word in now is there? :D

Bisz
Sep 27, 2010, 09:35 PM
+1 for having arrow keys and the option to have numbers at the top of the alpha keyboard.

EssentialParado
Sep 28, 2010, 09:25 AM
On a similar note, I would like to see a small number row on the top of the alpha keyboard. It's pain to keep switching.

To make it easier, you can just hold on the .?123 key then drag to the number you want and let go. It'll automatically return to alphabet keyboard. This means you can enter a number with one button press.


Even with two finger scrolling, it scrolls the text that I've written, but leaves the cursor where it was - in the physical position - in the box, such that the cursor ends up several lines down the text to where I wanted it. I flind moving the cursor in small news website text boxes to be incredibly frustrating.
Yeah i really hate having to hold my finger on the screen then awkwardly drag it around to get where i need to be

You don't need to drag the cursor. Just tap on a piece of text and the cursor will go where you tapped. It takes a while to get used to, but now I can put the cursor immediately where I need it to be most of the time; faster than using cursor keys or a mouse, in fact.