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fivepoint
Sep 30, 2010, 01:21 PM
Does anyone else find it annoying that you can only access your movies, photos, music, etc. through the 'Home Sharing' function on your new AppleTV now? My movies aren't under the movie heading anymore, my music isn't under the music heading anymore... it's all under 'computers'!

Annoying.



trip1ex
Sep 30, 2010, 01:32 PM
Yeah it is kind of annoying.

On the plus side it does clearly separate the store from the rest though.

But the interface is worse. It's listy. I wouldn't mind seeing a the cover art of the movies on my computer displayed on the screen like they are under the MOvies tab.

The solution would be a customizable interface ala the Touch/iPad/iPhone.

Let me rearrange how I want. They could let us do it using the computer through iTunes.

NightStorm
Sep 30, 2010, 01:50 PM
Doesn't this also mean you can only access content purchased from a single iTunes account through the new appletv? If I remember correctly, home sharing does not allow me to stream/play content that my wife has purchased with her iTunes account, even though we keep all of our content in a single iTunes library.

This is a major problem for me as we've both purchased a lot of video content from apple, and now do not have an easy way to access it in the living room.

Mr Kram
Sep 30, 2010, 01:53 PM
i never thought of this. it does seem kind of annoying. guess, i'll stick my old ATV.

DJinTX
Sep 30, 2010, 03:45 PM
Doesn't this also mean you can only access content purchased from a single iTunes account through the new appletv? If I remember correctly, home sharing does not allow me to stream/play content that my wife has purchased with her iTunes account, even though we keep all of our content in a single iTunes library.

This is a major problem for me as we've both purchased a lot of video content from apple, and now do not have an easy way to access it in the living room.

I don't have a new ATV yet, but I am wondering...

I was thinking that any media that you copied to your mac from your wife's mac via homesharing, would then become part of your library and account, making it streamable to ATV. Is this not the case?

newagemac
Sep 30, 2010, 03:53 PM
Home Sharing does allow you to stream and play content from other people's iTunes accounts on the same Home Share as you. And yes, the cover art of the movies stored on your computer and accessed through Home Sharing is displayed on the Apple TV's interface.

DJinTX
Sep 30, 2010, 04:08 PM
Home Sharing does allow you to stream and play content from other people's iTunes accounts on the same Home Share as you. And yes, the cover art of the movies stored on your computer and accessed through Home Sharing is displayed on the Apple TV's interface.

This makes perfect sense, because now that I think about it, when I set up home sharing on our Macs at home, they all use the same AppleID login (mine) to do it. SO it basically treats my Apple ID as the main one.

HT Guy
Sep 30, 2010, 04:41 PM
I wish I could access iTunes via sharing. Sharing will not work with my ATV2 even though all my settings are correct. I had a Roku and an Airport Express. The combo of the Roku and the AE worked better than the ATV2 so far. If Apple does not fix this soon the ATV2 is going back.

DJinTX
Sep 30, 2010, 04:49 PM
I wish I could access iTunes via sharing. Sharing will not work with my ATV2 even though all my settings are correct. I had a Roku and an Airport Express. The combo of the Roku and the AE worked better than the ATV2 so far. If Apple does not fix this soon the ATV2 is going back.

I assume you have already updated to iTunes 10? If you are on version 10, and all settings are correct you should take it back to the store and exchange it.

HT Guy
Sep 30, 2010, 04:56 PM
I assume you have already updated to iTunes 10? If you are on version 10, and all settings are correct you should take it back to the store and exchange it.

Yes... Please see the thread in my link. I guess because of the price I will give it some more time. I have seen postings of other people besides me having problems with home share. My remote app on my iPad does not work consistently as well.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1023313

newagemac
Sep 30, 2010, 06:01 PM
I wish I could access iTunes via sharing. Sharing will not work with my ATV2 even though all my settings are correct. I had a Roku and an Airport Express. The combo of the Roku and the AE worked better than the ATV2 so far. If Apple does not fix this soon the ATV2 is going back.

Others said they rebooted their Macs, turned Home Sharing off and then back on (on the ATV) and then it worked for them.

thetruth1985
Sep 30, 2010, 06:02 PM
Does anyone else find it annoying that you can only access your movies, photos, music, etc. through the 'Home Sharing' function on your new AppleTV now? My movies aren't under the movie heading anymore, my music isn't under the music heading anymore... it's all under 'computers'!

Annoying.


I totally agree with you on this. On the old apple tv, I could be looking at my own movies in like 2 clicks. I am one of the rare few people that never purchase movies from itunes so I would care less what is under the movies and tv shows tabs. I want to see my own content as soon as I turn this on dammit!

blybug
Sep 30, 2010, 08:43 PM
I totally agree with you on this. On the old apple tv, I could be looking at my own movies in like 2 clicks. I am one of the rare few people that never purchase movies from itunes so I would care less what is under the movies and tv shows tabs. I want to see my own content as soon as I turn this on dammit!

Leaving the TV at the menu level after you have clicked into your computer sort of simulates this, but as soon as you go up a menu all your content is suddenly relegated to the wasteland of the "Computers" menu. Why not have the content of the currently chosen Share populate a "My Movies" choice under Movies, "My TV Shows" under TV Shows, etc...

Agree also with the OP...Home Sharing was a cool feature to make song swapping within a family as easy as it always should have been. However to extend Home Sharing to the TV and even the new iPhone Remote App...without any settings as to what can log into and control what...is annoying.

I may want to share Music with my wife and son via iTunes, but we may not all want our Libraries up for sharing on the TV, or have our iTunes wide open to being controlled by each other's Remote app. But Home Sharing as it exists now seems to be "all or nothing." Some Home Sharing toggles are needed on each device that define what other devices can control it, and what content each device shares with each other device. Add Airplay to the mix of iDevices and your head will be spinning with what is being streamed from where.

It already gets very recursive controlling the TV with the Remote app, when the first submenu that appears after selecting TV is the same list of Computers/Libraries from the first screen, but now listed as possible Computers/Libraries available for sharing on the TV. This would all make much more sense if  actually sold an iTunes server, that centralized all the media, instead of swip-swap-stream-sharing back and forth between every gadget. It's "cool" for  loving geeks like me and pretty seamless, but will confuse the heck out of my wife.

Did that even make sense?

T4R06
Sep 30, 2010, 09:01 PM
Most annoying is if your Mac went to sleep you cannot access anymore on apple tv... Am I missing something? I thought it will automatically wake up if you access it via apple tv.

HT Guy
Sep 30, 2010, 09:17 PM
Homesharing started working on it's own at 8:34 p.m. I made no changes. If it will continue to work I have no complaints.

I have my iMac set to on a schedule to wake at 4 p.m. And to sleep at 12:00 a.m.

^^ CoolMacLover
Sep 30, 2010, 09:21 PM
i never thought of this. it does seem kind of annoying. guess, i'll stick my old ATV.

If what I'm getting is right, that cover art etc dont show up, its all just lists, I think I might go and get myself an old TV then. I worked hard to get all my artwork right ready for my new TV... :mad:

goMac
Sep 30, 2010, 09:25 PM
If what I'm getting is right, that cover art etc dont show up, its all just lists, I think I might go and get myself an old TV then. I worked hard to get all my artwork right ready for my new TV... :mad:

Cover art shows on my AppleTV.

scottlitch
Oct 1, 2010, 12:08 PM
This makes perfect sense, because now that I think about it, when I set up home sharing on our Macs at home, they all use the same AppleID login (mine) to do it. SO it basically treats my Apple ID as the main one.

Using home sharing means I have to put MY ACCOUNT on my roommate's copy of iTunes. I don't like this at all. Also, I was used to controlling my remote speakers when i was connected to the AppleTV with the remote app. It appears now I have to switch to the library I'm streaming from to activate the AirTunes (AirPlay) speakers. I don't want to have to switch libraries to do this. If I'm listening to music on AppleTV and want to turn it on in other rooms, I should be able to without connecting to my iMac, then switching back to the AppleTV. I also don't like the main menus are mostly for purchasing content. I feel like I just put an Apple sales rep. in my living room. Why are the computers segregated into a secondary section?

newagemac
Oct 1, 2010, 12:25 PM
Couldn't you just create a new Apple ID specifically just for Home Sharing?

NightStorm
Oct 1, 2010, 12:28 PM
Home Sharing does allow you to stream and play content from other people's iTunes accounts on the same Home Share as you. And yes, the cover art of the movies stored on your computer and accessed through Home Sharing is displayed on the Apple TV's interface.
I can confirm that in atleast my case, where my wife and I share one library but use multiple iTunes accounts for purchases, setting up Home Sharing to use my AppleID allows for content purchased by both of us to work with the new AppleTV.

rkuo
Oct 1, 2010, 01:39 PM
Sounds like we can just create a bulls*** apple id specifically for home sharing if we're worried about handing out account info to other ppl in the house.

jajohns8
Oct 2, 2010, 10:16 AM
Yes, very annoying. Homesharing loses the connection to my library every time the Apple TV goes to sleep. I then have to turn homesharing off and then back on for it to recognize my computer/iTunes library.

I am not a fan of homesharing.

The first Apple Tv got it right. The way you accessed your content just worked and it made sense. This is a step backwards.

trip1ex
Oct 2, 2010, 10:34 AM
Most annoying is if your Mac went to sleep you cannot access anymore on apple tv... Am I missing something? I thought it will automatically wake up if you access it via apple tv.

It's supposed to if you have the right equipment. (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774)

I need to hook up my Apple router so I can test it out. Surprised not a single site tested to see if this worked or not.

MacProDude
Oct 2, 2010, 11:27 AM
It's supposed to if you have the right equipment. (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774)

I need to hook up my Apple router so I can test it out. Surprised not a single site tested to see if this worked or not.

You just made my day. I had no idea about Bonjour Sleep Proxy, and I have an n-capable Airport Express that works with it. Works great for Remote on iPhone->iTunes on sleeping Mac Pro. Sorry, don't have an ATV to confirm with home sharing.

magicjosh
Oct 2, 2010, 04:08 PM
Most annoying is if your Mac went to sleep you cannot access anymore on apple tv... Am I missing something? I thought it will automatically wake up if you access it via apple tv.

This is incredibly frustrating. I want to listen to some long podcasts uninterrupted while working in my house. Keeps crapping out. This isn't very 'apple' of an apple product. Not seamless at all running back and forth to restart my home sharing.

henrikrox
Oct 2, 2010, 04:27 PM
i purchased some movies from itunes store the other day.

can anyone tell me if under home sharing if you get plot info etc, or just the covers. if so, thats totally gay.

ovrlrd
Oct 2, 2010, 04:33 PM
The only annoying thing about Home Sharing is that is requires you to authorize each computer on that iTunes account. This means you can only have a maximum of 5 computers connected to the Apple TV.

Thankfully AirPlay will probably make up for everything and it won't really matter. If only it was November already. Basically I won't need to give anyone who comes over access to my Home Sharing because they can just use AirPlay.

henrikrox
Oct 2, 2010, 04:38 PM
If Apple just would fix that you cant stream movies natively from your PC to your ipad/iphone. The Apple TV can do it, why apple hasn't implemented this is beyond my belief.

However, hopefully you can use apps like air video, and send to the Apple TV

CrAkD
Oct 2, 2010, 04:39 PM
home sharing is annoying for the simple fact it doesnt always work. everytime I open the remote app on my iphone/ipad i have to mess with it to find my library. I get the spinning wheel forever if I dont start turning home sharing off and on. I dont know if its my router or what but its a pain in the ass.

jajohns8
Oct 2, 2010, 04:40 PM
home sharing is annoying for the simple fact it doesnt always work. everytime I open the remote app on my iphone/ipad i have to mess with it to find my library. I get the spinning wheel forever if I dont start turning home sharing off and on. I dont know if its my router or what but its a pain in the ass.

Nope, not your router. I have had the same issue.

CrAkD
Oct 2, 2010, 04:46 PM
Nope, not your router. I have had the same issue.

how is your network setup? I was thinking maybe its cause my apple tv is wired to the network instead of being directly wireless like the ipad/iphone.

gramirez2012
Oct 2, 2010, 04:54 PM
Yes, I do find it annoying - Maybe I don't want everyone in my family to be able to access my iTunes library... What would really be cool is if they brought Home Sharing to the AirPort Express and Time Capsule, so I could access my library on my AE's hard disk from my ATV directly, without having my computer as a middle-man.

ovrlrd
Oct 2, 2010, 05:15 PM
Yes, I do find it annoying - Maybe I don't want everyone in my family to be able to access my iTunes library... What would really be cool is if they brought Home Sharing to the AirPort Express and Time Capsule, so I could access my library on my AE's hard disk from my ATV directly, without having my computer as a middle-man.

I think the whole point of using Home Sharing is definitely for flexibility in the future. They are basically prepared for when they start to roll out the iTunes Cloud features.

fpnc
Oct 2, 2010, 05:31 PM
If Apple just would fix that you cant stream movies natively from your PC to your ipad/iphone. The Apple TV can do it, why apple hasn't implemented this is beyond my belief.

However, hopefully you can use apps like air video, and send to the Apple TV

On a Mac you can enable web sharing and stream content from that Mac to an iPhone/iPad (you view the content in Safari on the iOS device and you can zoom/go full screen using the standard playback controls). This even works for protected iTunes content and you don't need any third-party apps or extensions. In my hands this has worked very well, I can even stream from a lowly PowePC Mac mini with no problems whatsoever. The only limitation is that the content must be in a format that is supported natively on the iPhone/iPad and the files to be streamed must be linked to a directory that is enabled for web sharing.

jajohns8
Oct 2, 2010, 05:38 PM
how is your network setup? I was thinking maybe its cause my apple tv is wired to the network instead of being directly wireless like the ipad/iphone.

I am using a linksys wrt320n. I have tried wired and wireless.

I have had issues with both concerning homesharing.

Homesharing is clearly bugged.

Marvin1379
Oct 2, 2010, 08:29 PM
After I got the home sharing to work for both my MBP and my iPhone remote app, i'm wondering (from within the Remote app) why :apple:TV2 can't select the various speakers around my apartment. Both iTunes and my original :apple:TV (when controlled from the Remote app) can select/deselect the speakers. Will this only be available once iOS 4.2 comes out? Likewise with streaming from the iPhone....this iEcosystem is getting crowded, and ironically, confusing.

ascender
Oct 4, 2010, 02:54 PM
I don't like the way that your content is no longer at the top level. Part of the joy of ATV as a solution was that it was idiot proof and even technophobes could just pick up the remote and get going. It was all there at the top leve, "My Movies, My Music etc".

Going to "Computers" first isn't as intuitive at all imo.

timROGERS
Oct 4, 2010, 03:06 PM
It's really a shame that they haven't designed the device for content that you already have. I don't mind having to go to the computers menu as much, but can you really not sure all your artwork and stuff from PC stored videos on the :apple: TV2?

godslabrat
Oct 4, 2010, 03:12 PM
Whoa, did not know about this at all.

Basic question: If I want my iTunes movies to appear at the top-level of my (future) AppleTV, do I need to get an older model? I do not buy or rent movies from iTunes, this will be purely for watching DVD rips.

paulgarb
Oct 4, 2010, 03:26 PM
Can't help feeling that many of the problems noted above are due to unrealistic expectations. If you want, for example, to stream non iTunes stuff get a WDTV Live this device does exactly what Apple said it would do, I bought it on that expectation and I am thrilled with it.

Don't know also why there appear to be issues with home sharing - it just works for me and I have all sorts of 'complications' like Linksys router, homeig networks and a very old house.

I hope all your issues get resolved, really I do, but don't complain when it doesn't do something out of specification.

reticulate
Oct 4, 2010, 04:33 PM
Can't help feeling that many of the problems noted above are due to unrealistic expectations. If you want, for example, to stream non iTunes stuff get a WDTV Live this device does exactly what Apple said it would do, I bought it on that expectation and I am thrilled with it.

First off - sure, if you buy this and expect not to have to use iTunes, that's pretty stupid. I have no doubt a cloud or even NAS-based system will be on the way at some point, but right now it's very obvious you need Home Sharing and whatnot enabled to use it.

(As an aside - I'm certain Time Capsule or APBS could be updated to support some manner of home sharing without needing a computer turned on all the time, perhaps only needing to authenticate when you're copying stuff to it?)

I think the complaint is more of a UI issue than anything, going by the comments. You've now got a bunch of extra clicks to get to iTunes streamed stuff.

I was about to pick one up when I realised they've relegated all your existing content into one corner under 'Computers', and put the (practically useless in Australia) rental stuff front-and-centre. This is not only for your handbraked/torrented/etc DVD's and TV Shows, but stuff you buy via iTunes on a Mac as well.

It strikes me as odd when the very point of Home Sharing and whatnot is to essentially create a unified home library of all your content that can be accessed by a bunch of different devices. The current distinction on Apple TV doesn't really sell that concept at all.

It's doubly weird because Take 2 fixed this particular issue with the old model ('My Movies', 'My TV Shows', etc). They've regressed the UI.

dhy8386
Oct 4, 2010, 04:37 PM
Well thats not entirely fair. The Old Apple TV worked differently than this one and so users who made the switch and/ore were familiar with the old interface will find the new one to be what appears "less integrated".

But i think people are insane if they bought this thinking it would be as free and open as a WD or Plex or Boxee. I mean are the experiences with iOS and iphone/ipad really that far removed from everyones collective memories?

Apple design products for 90%+ of their user base and for them this is the impementation they want to ingrain. Its all about online services. Thats why its rent and not buy - for now. Once they have iTunes in the cloud, all your movies and tv and music will appear under the top level menu with the online being all the services and apps being all available apps. All your home media is stuffed under a second level menu because apple needs to provide that functionality now but they want to make it clear its a whole separate category/class. As the online services are delivered it will complement the home media services which will then (in apples opinion) be less relevant because you will have everything online.

I am not saying I agree but the implementation makes sense when you look at it from that perspective.

That said, what this device really needs is a spotlight feature so you could search for a playlist, artist, song or album across all connected devices.