Jaguar 10.2 Arrives

[arn]

Jaguar arrived this weekend with quite a bit of fanfare...

Apple stores opened at 10:20pm August 23rd to lines of hundreds of Apple fans looking to puchase Jaguar.

Extensive coverage links: MacCentral (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0208/24.jaguar.php), Jason Ediger's photos (http://homepage.mac.com/ediger/), live Jaguar photos (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0208/25.jaguar.php), and MacSlash (http://www.macslash.org/100minutes/).

Meanwhile, Mac OS X 10.2.1 (Build 6D42) is already making the rounds (http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-08-25#3264).

[G4scott]

I just installed it, and it's worth every penny! Now I can share my epson printer without a hitch!

Just one question: Is anyone else having problems with drag-and-drop? I can't drag any items in Finder, and it's really annoying. It worked on my G4, but not on my iBook...

[Classic]

According to Think Secret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/macosx1021.html) the latest build is actually 6D47...

[MacMaster]

Uh...anyone speak french? http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-08-25#3264
Translation please!:eek:

[zim]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardmac.com%2Fniouzcontenu.php%3Fdate%3D2002-08-25%233264%5Dis%2520already%2520making%2520the%2520rounds%5D&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

i hope this link works. i used google's language tools page to translate it.

[RogueLdr]

Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone that has installed Jaguar could fill me in on what speed improvements they have noticed over 10.1.x. I have a copy of 10.2 on order and don't want to get myself too excited without hearing how well it works for other users.

For reference, I have a 400Mhz G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) w/ 1.5GB RAM and a GeForce 2MX (32MB) AGP Card. Any insights would be appreciated.

Also, if anyone could point me to a benchmarking suite that I could run under 10.1, and then on 10.2, so that I might have some figures to compare regarding both CPU and video performance, that would also be helpful.

Thanks,

RL

[Gigglebyte]

Originally posted by RogueLdr
Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone that has installed Jaguar could fill me in on what speed improvements they have noticed over 10.1.x. I have a copy of 10.2 on order and don't want to get myself too excited without hearing how well it works for other users.

For reference, I have a 400Mhz G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) w/ 1.5GB RAM and a GeForce 2MX (32MB) AGP Card. Any insights would be appreciated.


you should see a bit of a speed improvement as you have a decent ammount of RAM and good video.

Classic - unless there is a different build for internal copies vs external the build should be 6C115 and this is after the 8-23 security update

[Gigglebyte]

Originally posted by MacMaster
Uh...anyone speak french? http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-08-25#3264
Translation please!:eek:

if you are running 10.2 there is a translation utility in Sherlock...and if you want to have fun with it take the disclamer on the bottom of the page and translate it back and forth a couple of times and see what you get :D

[MacMaster]

Originally posted by Gigglebyte


if you are running 10.2 there is a translation utility in Sherlock...and if you want to have fun with it take the disclamer on the bottom of the page and translate it back and forth a couple of times and see what you get :D
Pretty soon!:D

[Who]

Any idea when they're going to start selling systems other than the PowerMac with 10.2 preinstalled?

[kanaka]

Originally posted by RogueLdr
Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone that has installed Jaguar could fill me in on what speed improvements they have noticed over 10.1.x. I have a copy of 10.2 on order and don't want to get myself too excited without hearing how well it works for other users.

For reference, I have a 400Mhz G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) w/ 1.5GB RAM and a GeForce 2MX (32MB) AGP Card. Any insights would be appreciated.


Well, I'm running Jaguar on a 400Mhz G3 iMac, and I haven't seen much of a speed improvement. Of course, I don't benefit from Quartz Extreme with my lovely 8MB ATI Rage128. On the other hand, I'm loving the software improvements. Everything I open seems to have been tweaked, from TextEdit to Calculator.

[beatle888]

Originally posted by RogueLdr
Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone that has installed Jaguar could fill me in on what speed improvements they have noticed over 10.1.x. I have a copy of 10.2 on order and don't want to get myself too excited without hearing how well it works for other users.

Damn i hope so, i thought that's what jaguar was all about.:eek:

[peterjhill]

Originally posted by G4scott
I just installed it, and it's worth every penny! Now I can share my epson printer without a hitch!

Just one question: Is anyone else having problems with drag-and-drop? I can't drag any items in Finder, and it's really annoying. It worked on my G4, but not on my iBook...

Did you use any Developer Releases? I had the same problem, I couldn't drag and drop anywhere.

Try this, open the Applications -> Utilities -> Console
Then try to drag in any application. If you see an error (maybe -900, but I'm not sure) then you have the same bug that I had. I did a clean install of OS X and all my apps, and do not have the problem anymore. I don't know if there is an easier fix.

[DavPeanut]

I went to the Release at one of the Apple stores. My mom and I went in to get the $129 10.2 and came out with that plus and iBook w/ applecare, Printmusic, and a 250,000 image Library. Oh, and a mousepad plus two Jaguar Shirts. Much fun was had by all. We left the store at 1:00 AM.

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by DavPeanut
I went to the Release at one of the Apple stores. My mom and I went in to get the $129 10.2 and came out with that plus and iBook w/ applecare, Printmusic, and a 250,000 image Library. Oh, and a mousepad plus two Jaguar Shirts. Much fun was had by all. We left the store at 1:00 AM.

Suggestive selling and customer interaction is the main reason why brick and morter retail is so successful in the face of internet and mail order selling. There is no replacement for talking with a human and seeing a product you were NOT originally thinking about IN PERSON and feeling, seeing and touching it. And the ability to instantly take delivery and enjoy it while it is peak on your mind.

Apple's retail efforts are likely to become a significant revenue source that mostly does not supplant other sales operations including other dealers.

Rocketman

"All politics is local."

[ibjoshua]

Originally posted by kanaka


Well, I'm running Jaguar on a 400Mhz G3 iMac, and I haven't seen much of a speed improvement. Of course, I don't benefit from Quartz Extreme with my lovely 8MB ATI Rage128. On the other hand, I'm loving the software improvements. Everything I open seems to have been tweaked, from TextEdit to Calculator.

thats disapointing. i'm pretty happy with 10.1.5 software-wise i was really expecting a bit of a speed bump on my wee ibook

josh

[JohnStrass]

Originally posted by MacMaster
Uh...anyone speak french? http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-08-25#3264
Translation please!:eek:
This is the French Text:
- Mac OS X 10.2.1 6D42 - Lionel - 15:47:12
Une personne souhaitant garder l'anonymat nous signale que la mise à jour d'OS X 10.2.1 est disponible aux développeurs inscrit sur le site de l'ADC.
Elle est numérotée 6D42.

A ce rythme, on aura Mac OS X 10.3 payant dans 2 mois :)))
My translation:
"Someone, wiching to remain annonymous, tells us that OS X 10.2.1 is available to developers who are registered at the "ADC" site. Its number is 6D42. At that pace, we'll have 10.3 paid upgrade in 2 months."

Now that I did something useful, can I ask a naive qestion? I have a 17 in iMac on the way (hopefully). My old imac (333 MHz, 96 RAM) is still on 8.6. Can I load 10.2 on it without it going haywhire or should I just bring it up to 9.1 and leave it there?
Merci a tous!
Joh:confused:
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iMac 17 / 500 RAM (on the WAY!!)
iMac 333 chugging along
Newton MP 2100 gathering dust:mad:

[wchamlet]

Being the OS 10.2 is finally out, I figure it's time to ask the inevitable question of whether or not the software upgrade tickets are any good to use for the purchase of OS 10.2? I just bought a a refurbished DP Powermac, and I have 3 little update tickets, just waiting to be used. My guess is no, becuase this isn't a perfect world.

Chad

[lazyrighteye]

Reply to Who:
A buddy of mine bought a 17" iMac at the Aspen Grove Apple Store here in Colorado two weeks before Jaguar hit the streets, and it came with 2 10.2 discs.

Side note:
The Jaguar release here at the above mentioned Aspen Grove Apple Store appeared to be a HUGE success. I was at the store's grand opening, and the line for 10.2 was significantly larger. More importantly, people were walking out with products - 10.2, iMacs, iBooks, etc. - and grins.

Also, I don't know if 10.2 is any "snappier," but it does feel a little better (on both my iBook/500 and G4/500), which I think is completely psychological.
Airport Software Base Station returns (don't know why it left)!
But what I was most looking forward to was the documented return of Clam Shell Mode - the ability to close my iBook's lid, and it still run, as apposed to Sleeping. This feature, however, does not return with 10.2 on my iBook/500. According to a phone call and conversation with an Apple tech, this is a hardware issue with my particular make of iBook. Bummer.

lazyrighteye

[sehix]

Now that I did something useful, can I ask a naive qestion? I have a 17 in iMac on the way (hopefully). My old imac (333 MHz, 96 RAM) is still on 8.6. Can I load 10.2 on it without it going haywhire or should I just bring it up to 9.1 and leave it there?

Shouldn't be a problem. One of my daughters has been running OS X on 333MHz iMac since last March.

[beatle888]

Originally posted by DavPeanut
I went to the Release at one of the Apple stores. My mom and I went in to get the $129 10.2 and came out with that plus and iBook w/ applecare, Printmusic, and a 250,000 image Library. Oh, and a mousepad plus two Jaguar Shirts. Much fun was had by all. We left the store at 1:00 AM.


will your mom adopt me.......:rolleyes:

[Gigglebyte]

Originally posted by JohnStrass

Now that I did something useful, can I ask a naive qestion? I have a 17 in iMac on the way (hopefully). My old imac (333 MHz, 96 RAM) is still on 8.6. Can I load 10.2 on it without it going haywhire or should I just bring it up to 9.1 and leave it there?

well if you look at the requirements you do meet the CPU but your RAM is going to be a little lacking...you should be able to install and run 10.2 but it is going to be slow. the recomended memory is 128 with 1.5 Gig HD available. I have seen 10.1.x run on 32Meg before and it was NOT a pretty sight...but it did run or should I say crawl.

[ladrums1000]

I installed 10.2 on my 667 powerbook this weekend. According to some websites, I am supposed to see a smiley face with the words Hello underneath, but I am not seeing it. I just get a grey screen with a small apple in the middle, with the circle cursor spinning (it actually sits on this screen for almost a minute). I called the apple store at the grove this morning, and they said I won't see a smiley face. I am not sure if this is correct or not. Can anyone else tell me what they see when they first turn on their computer with OS X 10.2.

Also, when I installed my 10.2 it spent a majority of time loading in and verifying foreign language set up items for Japanese, Finnish, German, etc. Should this have happened? Not sure why I would want my computer configured for a bunch of foreign languages I will never use, especially since it took so long on those items. I would think the software would have prompted me to choose whether I wanted those or not. Any other people see this?

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

[Gigglebyte]

Originally posted by ladrums1000
I installed 10.2 on my 667 powerbook this weekend. According to some websites, I am supposed to see a smiley face with the words Hello underneath, but I am not seeing it. I just get a grey screen with a small apple in the middle, with the circle cursor spinning (it actually sits on this screen for almost a minute). I called the apple store at the grove this morning, and they said I won't see a smiley face. I am not sure if this is correct or not. Can anyone else tell me what they see when they first turn on their computer with OS X 10.2.

Also, when I installed my 10.2 it spent a majority of time loading in and verifying foreign language set up items for Japanese, Finnish, German, etc. Should this have happened? Not sure why I would want my computer configured for a bunch of foreign languages I will never use, especially since it took so long on those items. I would think the software would have prompted me to choose whether I wanted those or not. Any other people see this?

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

who ever told you that there should be a smiley face was incorrect as in 10.2 you do get the light gray screen with a dark gray apple and the line icon. The only time you will see the smiley face is if you change your startup disk to OS9.

As for the languages you do have an option when doing the install to not have them loaded. Personaly I didn't load any of them on any of my installs and disk 2 is optional (but best to load so your iApps work right). you can also choose what printer drivers you want loaded based on brand but not model and a word of warning for the printers, currently the drivers for 10.1.x do NOT work in 10.2 so you will want to check and see if there are drivers for the printer you are using.

[DavPeanut]

Originally posted by beatle888
will your mom adopt me.......:rolleyes:

I needed a laptop for school anyway. I just would have gotten an older iBook instead of this one.

And no, my mom won't adopt you

[Mike Ball]

I was amazed how simple the upgrade process was.
It wasn't a complete reinstall as of old, no having to remember to back up preferences, extensions and the like. Yes I found the installation of all the foreign language elements a bit strange even though I'd clicked on a a basic English upgrade at the start. Or At least I thought I did? My main concerns so far are that my intellimouse explorer no longer works properly,
it hangs momentarily before it does anything. I do wish Apple would finally give us a two button mouse? It's a real pain going back to their single button one. Also I can't get inkwell to work because the latest Wacom drivers won't load up.
There is definitely a speed increase but still not as responsive as would be ideal.

[Gigglebyte]

even if you select a language the packs still get loaded unless you deselect them...don't ask me why but that is the way it works. As for your mouse I haven't heard of any issues with them. I use a Logitech and haven't had any issues with that one but I know what you mean about going to a 1 button mouse...shudder

[beatle888]

LOL

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

anyone having networking problems? I'm trying to network my pc and my iBook 500mhz but it keeps on giving me a (error=-36)

I can easily find the computer but i can't get it to open. I've done it with other Apples but I wanted to see if I could actually network it with a PC since that IS one of the features....

EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out. Woohoo....Now I don't have to burn MP3 discs on my PC in order to listen to them on my Mac

APPLE, great job!!!!!!

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Jaguar is sweet! I say it's worth the $129 even though I bought it for $69.
I'm basing all my opinion on my iBook 500Mhz w/ 384megs of ram. I didn't do a clean install but I just did a upgrade with 10.2

Jaguar is definately a speed boost from 10.1.5 Still not sure if it's the same speed as OS 9 but it's definately faster. Pop up windows sure seem fast, too. The dock is definately faster.

Drag and drop is great. This is definately a keeper for Apple. Never be without it again.

Networking with a pc seems to be flawless, the only problem that i had was that i had to tell the pc to allow networking but that's on the pc's side.

iChat is great, once you try it, you'll never look at instant messaging in the same way. Too bad they can't incorporate MSN Messenger clients with it. I have a couple friends on AOL but alot on MSN...

Address book is....alright. I wish I could import the files off of my pda's database, though. I don't really want to spend the time typing all those peoples names all over again in a new database.

Mail is not bad. I can check my mac.com email on it but is there a way I can check my hotmail on it also? Not sure on this......

Sherlock 3: the only search I've done on it was look for movie listings. I could've believe that it actually had listings for Hawaii's movie theatres. It was still missing some but just the fact that we're there in the book seems to make me happy.

The new simplefinder. That's been something I've been waiting for awhile. It's just like the old days.

Adobe Photoshop results, it still seems to be the same, take into consideration that I haven't updated it to 7.1 but speed seems to be the same.

Web browsing, i've used IE, Chimera, and Mozilla on it. Scrolling is still the same speed. Page load ups on Mozilla seems to have increase(i've tried them all on the apple.com homepage) Chimera and IE are about the same.

Toast seems to work, I don't know why some people can't get it to but it burnt me a cd in the same time it used to in OS 9.

Startup and shut down times on Jaguar seem to be longer also. Not sure why.....Hopefully it get's addressed in the 10.2.1 update.

All in all, my final judgement on Jaguar is that it's worth the $129. Good Job Apple!

[ladrums1000]

I agree with the post above...it only took about 4 or 5 seconds on my 667 Powerbook to shut down, where not it takes about 10 to 12 seconds. Also the boot up time seems to take a bit longer. It moves quickly once you get to the "X" screen, but while the apple is on the screen, with the circling scroll wheel spinning, it seems like eternity before that screen clears and moves on. I hope they fix that in 10.2.1. Has anyone else seen these longer times?

Other than that, I really like the new OS. I can't wait for iCal, from the screen shots it looks great.

Does anyone know if you are able to load the address data from my handspring into the new address book? I do have the data on my computer in the palm software for X, but I can't seem to load that into my address book.

Any help on that would be great!

Thanks.

[ibjoshua]

i nearly lost all my old mail.

this is addressed to anyone who is as untrusting of 'wizards' and hand holding functions like the 'Archive & install' option as I am.

i decided that a true, clean install would be best in order to get the full optimisation promised by 10.2.
so i copied all my files to an external drive and did the reformat and full install.

it worked like a dream but one problem arose. my mailboxes did not import correctly into the Mail app. eventually i worked out that you can just copy/move the *.mbox files over without using the 'Import Mailboxes' function.

so for anyone who has the same problem, don't panic.

1. Copy the contents of /yourBackupDrive/Users/yourName/Library/Mail/Mailboxes
to
/yourDrive/Users/yourName/Library/Mail/Mailboxes

2. Open Mail. All your folders should now appear.

3. If your Inbox appears empty but all your other folders are there close Mail and change the name of the INBOX.mbox file to something else (oldInbox.mbox maybe) before copying it over. Open mail and copy the contents of the modified folder into the IN folder and delete the empty folder.

Done

X.2 rocks. i did a fresh minimal install of 9.2 and i can't believe how quick classic starts up. i wish i had done that before now. i was avoiding classic like tha plague and now that i hardly ever need it it's suddenly really quick. doh.

josh

[ibjoshua]

Originally posted by ladrums1000
Does anyone know if you are able to load the address data from my handspring into the new address book?

can your handspring export to a plain text file?

from what i remember about my original migration to the address book in X it is very picky about importing files but if you have a very tidy CSV file it should import ok.

josh

[Gigglebyte]

for anybody that has purchased a new computer that has the 10.2 CD's included with the system you will NOT want to install it on any other system than what it came with. These CD's are CPU specific and while the MIGHT work on another system you can expect 'issues' with your computer.

[skunk]

CPU specific? There's nothing to identify them on the surface, so how would they know which one is which? In my experience, the CPU specific OS CDs have the model printed on them.

Anyway, my copy is loaded successfully on 3 different networked Macs. Works a treat! (Of course that's just while I'm waiting for my other licences...;) :p

[Gigglebyte]

Originally posted by skunk
CPU specific? There's nothing to identify them on the surface, so how would they know which one is which? In my experience, the CPU specific OS CDs have the model printed on them.

Anyway, my copy is loaded successfully on 3 different networked Macs. Works a treat! (Of course that's just while I'm waiting for my other licences...;) :p

if you have the upgrade CD's there isn't an issue, if you have the retail/family there isn't an issue, if you have a machine that came preloaded with 10.2 and try to install off those disks you may have problems

[skunk]

oic :rolleyes: