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stubeeef
Dec 28, 2004, 06:52 PM
link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&e=3&u=/nm/20041228/bs_nm/economy_dc)

Incase anyone wants to know something other than how bad everything is.
I am an optomist on this one thing, many will chime it to say how really rotten things really are. But thought I would try to say 1 good thing.

(Reuters) - U.S. consumer confidence (news - web sites) grew to a five-month high in December, bolstered by improved employment opportunities and cheaper energy, according to a report released on Tuesday.

Confidence in the economy was also given a boost earlier on Tuesday with the release of data showing U.S. chain store sales rose for the fourth week in a row in the week ending Dec. 25.

But the big market mover on Tuesday was the surprisingly strong consumer confidence data from The Conference Board (news - web sites), a New York business research group. The index rose to 102.3 in December, the highest level since July.

"The continuing economic expansion, combined with job growth, has consumers ending the year on a high note," said Lynn Franco, director of consumer research at The Conference Board.

The result easily topped both November's upwardly revised reading of 92.6 and economists' expectations.

The number sparked buying in the stock market and selling in the bond market, as investors in each market expressed their own brand of confidence in the economy.

The strong consumer confidence levels had debt investors thinking the Federal Reserve (news - web sites) will be more inclined to continue to boost official interest rates if economic confidence is growing. Higher interest rates mean lower debt prices.

The employment picture played a key role in the growth in confidence, with the number of consumers saying jobs are "plentiful" rising to 19.4 percent in December from 17.1 percent, while those claiming jobs are "hard to get" eased to 26.4 percent from 28.0 percent in November.

"The (headline) number does show that people feel jobs are much more plentiful and are more optimistic about spending," said Elisabeth Denison, economist at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein in New York.



mactastic
Dec 28, 2004, 07:48 PM
What a biased headline! It ignores the bits in the article further down that say:
Sales at major retailers rose by 3.0 percent on a year-over-year basis for the week ended Dec. 25, but sales in December to-date were down 4.0 percent compared with November, according to Redbook Research, an independent company.

Also in some downside news for the economy, the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank said on Tuesday its Midwest manufacturing index slipped in November to 117.1 from a downwardly revised 117.5 in October.

The dip was mainly due to weaker automotive production. Midwest auto output compared with a year earlier fell 2.7 percent while national production rose by 3.1 percent.

Not only does the biased title of the article omit these details, but Stu forget to mention them as well!

stubeeef
Dec 28, 2004, 08:12 PM
What a biased headline! It ignores the bits in the article further down that say:


Not only does the biased title of the article omit these details, but Stu forget to mention them as well!

What in the article contridicts the headline?
You may be upset at the fact I think a headline in another thread is biased because the headline mis-states the facts. Here the facts are stated as in the headline. I am sorry that you don't see that, but then again my optimism paid off-I knew you would come through! :p

Thanatoast
Dec 28, 2004, 11:08 PM
From your quote:Confidence in the economy was also given a boost earlier on Tuesday with the release of data showing U.S. chain store sales rose for the fourth week in a row in the week ending Dec. 25.
Um, sales rose for stores in the four weeks preceding Christmas? Was anyone expecting anything else? Seems shaky to base an economic recovery off of.

I'll be happier when we finally make back all the jobs we've lost since W's been president. AFAIK, we're still in the hole on job creation overall, and we still aren't creating enough jobs to even keep up with population growth. Couple that with the less-than-inflation rise in wages, the increase in insurance premiums, and Bush's continuing crusade to defend the moneyed interests from inconvenient taxes to pay for his hugely expensive war, I'd say the economy is still pretty screwed.

Xtremehkr
Dec 29, 2004, 12:07 AM
So Bush finally has a net gain of jobs during his Presidency, a balanced budget and a reduction in the national debt?

A yes or no answer will suffice as an answer to all three parts or to any part individually. Though one will cover all three, which one?

What will it take for the sky to be 'officially' falling?

mactastic
Dec 29, 2004, 07:04 PM
What will it take for the sky to be 'officially' falling?

A Democratic president would do it I'm sure. :p

I'm guessing Stu would have said the sky is falling for the eight years prior to 2001.