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techguy40
Oct 7, 2010, 12:30 PM
What software for the mac you recommend to tag for movies that you backup with handbrake so they show up nicely on your new apple tv with information and movie cover?

Thanks



wrkngclasshero
Oct 7, 2010, 12:32 PM
Assuming you mean for OSX... I like MetaX or Subler.

I use MetaX for TV shows (you can tag batches)
I use Subler (more tagging options including HD tags and editing CnID.

I bet you will hear these two names a lot.

pedz
Oct 7, 2010, 12:39 PM
MetaX is also available on window. I just started using it and love it. It does support HD tags and templates, searches, ... Before this i was using the atomicparsley command line, so this was a huge leap forward for me.

egorka
Oct 7, 2010, 12:42 PM
MetaX is also ported to windows.

Make sure to encode in Apple TV Legacy or else MetaX won't tag it.. Not sure about the other packages.

wrkngclasshero
Oct 7, 2010, 12:48 PM
MetaX is also available on window. I just started using it and love it. It does support HD tags and templates, searches, ... Before this i was using the atomicparsley command line, so this was a huge leap forward for me.

Windows Metax does support HD tagging, however Mac does not. OP what are you running?

Also, if you are running a Mac, Subler is developed by one of the HB dev team members, if that is of any consequence to you.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 7, 2010, 12:49 PM
MetaX you serious ? it's mega poor app hasn't been updated in years.

Check out iDentify, iFlicks or MetaZ all blow away MetaX

OptyCT
Oct 7, 2010, 12:52 PM
I use Subler. Yeah, there's no documentation, but if you play around with it, it's very easy to use. Here are the basics:

1.) Rip a movie
2.) Launch Subler (you'll see the Subler icon in the dock)
3.) Open Finder and locate the movie file you want to tag
4.) Drag the movie file to the Subler icon on the dock - Subler will open
5.) Click on the magnifying glass icon in the top right corner
6.) Type in the movie name that you're looking to tag - hit enter
7.) Select the tag file you want to use - hit the "Add" button
8.) Clicking any blank line under "Chapter Track", etc., will show you the "Metadata", "Artwork", and "Other Settings" buttons.
9.) All of this info can be manually edited by double-clicking the field
10.) To change the artwork, double-click the artwork field, and hit "delete" to clear the field. You can then find artwork online (I prefer themoviedb.org), copy the image, and paste it into Subler's artwork field using "Command-V"
11.) Note: for those who intend on putting their movies on the iPad, check the "Create Preview Images" box under Subler's preferences. This will create those chapter preview images that you see for iPad videos
12.) Once all of the tagging information is to your liking, select "File-Save"
13.) Important: after you save it, select "File-Optimize" to finish the tagging operation
14.) Your file is now tagged. Enjoy!

newagemac
Oct 7, 2010, 12:55 PM
From what I understand MetaX is not being actively supported on the Mac. Not sure about the Windows version. If it only works with Legacy Apple TV encodes that tells you something right there. Handbrake deprecated that quite a while ago.

iFlicks looks interesting. Anyone have any experience with it?

BlackMangoTree
Oct 7, 2010, 01:03 PM
iFlicks looks interesting. Anyone have any experience with it?

It's the app of my choice, it's by far the best tagger around and it integrates with iTunes perfectly. Has every single feature you could ask for.

Not free but worth every cent.

Looking for something free the iDentify is excellent.

liquidsuns
Oct 7, 2010, 01:05 PM
I used to use MetaX but stopped for some reason that I can't remember. I've since been using Subler, which did something that MetaX didn't do, but I can't remember what. But the last couple days I've been using iDentify 2.0 and I think I like it better except it doesn't add thumbnail pics to chapter markers like Subler. However iDentify does auto title chapters, which Subler doesn't do. So....I guess I'll use them both.

pedz
Oct 7, 2010, 01:16 PM
Was not aware MetaX was not supported, will have to look at that. I understand most people on this thread are using mac, but any other recommendations for the PC? The others listed appear to be mac only.

Thanks,
Peter

newagemac
Oct 7, 2010, 01:25 PM
It's the app of my choice, it's by far the best tagger around and it integrates with iTunes perfectly. Has every single feature you could ask for.

Not free but worth every cent.

Looking for something free the iDentify is excellent.

Ok I think I might try it. Have you used it with EyeTV by any chance? If so, what is your workflow like?

ojk7
Oct 7, 2010, 01:31 PM
I would definitely invest in iFlicks it is regularly updated and I have had far fewer issues with it than MetaX, it's well worth the cost if you regularly encode movies or tv shows.

mcdermd
Oct 7, 2010, 01:56 PM
I use Subler and iFlicks. Both are great apps.

Omne666
Oct 7, 2010, 05:33 PM
I would definitely invest in iFlicks it is regularly updated and I have had far fewer issues with it than MetaX, it's well worth the cost if you regularly encode movies or tv shows.

I use to use MetaX which had replaced Lostify, and have been using iFlicks at around a year now. Great product, does more then just metadata, though I only use that feature. Extremely well supported. The developer is very responsive on email.

Cant recommend it enough.

guywoodman7
Oct 7, 2010, 06:29 PM
So I have a pretty large library of movies. All dvd rips and encoded to ATV friendly mp4s.

Can any of the apps were talking about in this thread batch tag already encodes mp4s?

I'm just trying to avoid having to tag every movie, one by one.

GermanSuplex
Oct 7, 2010, 06:42 PM
MetaX you serious ? it's mega poor app hasn't been updated in years.

Check out iDentify, iFlicks or MetaZ all blow away MetaX

MetaX has been routinely updated for Windows. That's what I always use, have never had a problem with it either. Works great for me.

From A Buick 8
Oct 7, 2010, 07:01 PM
I will throw out a yes vote for Identify2, that is what i use and so far i like it a lot.

pasipple
Oct 7, 2010, 07:09 PM
So I have a pretty large library of movies. All dvd rips and encoded to ATV friendly mp4s.

Can any of the apps were talking about in this thread batch tag already encodes mp4s?

I'm just trying to avoid having to tag every movie, one by one.

I just bought iFlicks and it works very well for tagging. I pointed the program at a folder of about 35 recent movies and it had no problem tagging all at once. I then imported the movies into iTunes.

Took me while to figure out how to do it because I don't see any real online manual...but it worked so much better than MetaX.

techguy40
Oct 7, 2010, 07:59 PM
Does iFlicks work well with the New Apple TV? Does it do a better job than handbrake when converting?

Mr Kram
Oct 7, 2010, 08:05 PM
i've used metax for my 1000+ movies and tv shows. it has never failed me. some of these other options look worthy of consideration though.

michial
Oct 7, 2010, 08:57 PM
Sorry for my newbness but what is tagging? I just converted over from windows as a new mac user. I have 3 tb of movies and asst video files most of which are avi,xvid,divx,etc and dont work in my itunes. I just got the new apple tv and would love to convert them, or is tagging them another way without converting?

GermanSuplex
Oct 7, 2010, 09:01 PM
Sorry for my newbness but what is tagging? I just converted over from windows as a new mac user. I have 3 tb of movies and asst video files most of which are avi,xvid,divx,etc and dont work in my itunes. I just got the new apple tv and would love to convert them, or is tagging them another way without converting?

Tagging means embedding metadata into your files. That is, information other than audio/visual information pertaining to the video. For instance, an mp3... the artist, album title, album artwork, year of release, lyrics, etc. is tagging. It's the digital equivalent of artwork on a DVD case.

I strongly suggest using mp4 video as your format of choice since it can hold the tags within the files. If I delete a video from iTunes and add it back, all the album art, chapter marks, director, actor, producer info is still in the file, I don't have to re-add it.

You may lose a tad of quality, but odds are that with those types of files they're not that great of quality to start with. I don't think you'll lose that much quality in the long run and you'll have the benefit of being able to add them to iTunes, iPods, Apple TV, etc.

michial
Oct 7, 2010, 09:13 PM
Tagging means embedding metadata into your files. That is, information other than audio/visual information pertaining to the video. For instance, an mp3... the artist, album title, album artwork, year of release, lyrics, etc. is tagging. It's the digital equivalent of artwork on a DVD case.

I strongly suggest using mp4 video as your format of choice since it can hold the tags within the files. If I delete a video from iTunes and add it back, all the album art, chapter marks, director, actor, producer info is still in the file, I don't have to re-add it.

You may lose a tad of quality, but odds are that with those types of files they're not that great of quality to start with. I don't think you'll lose that much quality in the long run and you'll have the benefit of being able to add them to iTunes, iPods, Apple TV, etc.
Thanks. So which one should I get? And by tagging them do I have to convert the file type to or does it do that for me when its tagged. Thanks

GermanSuplex
Oct 7, 2010, 09:40 PM
I don't think the avi files can hold tags that can be read by several programs. Plus, iTunes doesn't have built-in support for such files... my suggestion is to either convert them all to mp4 with Handbrake (you can put all your avi files in a folder, then use Handbrake to queue them all up to convert while you are asleep, at work, etc.), then use MetaX along with iTunes to tag them.

If you don't want to convert them, then I'd use a catalog program that can sort and name your files in a nice interface.

pasipple
Oct 7, 2010, 10:14 PM
I....like most....used Handbrake to convert all my DVDs and .AVIs to .MP4s.

Then I used MetaX to tag most of my movies. As I said earlier in this thread...just purchased iFlicks and it's so much better than MetaX. I had a lot of problem finding the newer movies on MetaX. iFlicks found them all very easily and the UI is a 1000x better. Best $25 I've invested in my movie collection.

techguy40
Oct 7, 2010, 10:23 PM
I....like most....used Handbrake to convert all my DVDs and .AVIs to .MP4s.

Then I used MetaX to tag most of my movies. As I said earlier in this thread...just purchased iFlicks and it's so much better than MetaX. I had a lot of problem finding the newer movies on MetaX. iFlicks found them all very easily and the UI is a 1000x better. Best $25 I've invested in my movie collection.

Doesn't iFlicks convert too? So your converting it twice by using handbrake and iflicks?

I thought iFlicks converts and tags. Does iFlicks tag only too without converting?

Is handbrake better to use for converting than iFlicks?

g-boac
Oct 7, 2010, 10:30 PM
Couple questions - I've always used MetaX, and it's worked great. It simply embeds the metadata directly into my .m4v/mp4 file.

When I tried using iFlicks, I never had any luck - every time it told me something like my file needed to be put into a "quicktime .MOV container", and although it added the metadata (movie poster, rating, actors, etc), it did some sort of conversion, and I always saw ~1-1.5 gigs disappear off my hard drive. And here's a link to the iFlicks page that talks about this:

http://www.iflicksapp.com/faq#i-already-have-encoded-my-videos-can-i-just-import-them-into-itunes-as-they-are

So I am getting really confused as to why I need ANY sort of conversion or "reference file"? I just want my .m4v/.mp4 iTunes movies tagged with metadata "as is", which is what MetaX seems to accomplish. . .can anybody shed some light onto this for me? I'd love to give iFlicks a shot if I can get it to work (simply tagging my files - not having to create duplicates or reference files), and would appreciate any help anyone can offer.

thanks!!
Mark

pasipple
Oct 7, 2010, 10:32 PM
Doesn't iFlicks convert too? So your converting it twice by using handbrake and iflicks?

I thought iFlicks converts and tags. Does iFlicks tag only too without converting?

Is handbrake better to use for converting than iFlicks?

Yes...iFlicks converts and tags. I had already converted my files using Handbrake and had 30-40 movies yet to tag so I've only used it for tagging. The tagging was a breeze....love the improved UI.

I couldn't tell you which is better for converting. Handbrake has such a following and there is tons of info on the web about how to tweak Handbrake...what the best settings are...etc. So Handbrake probably has a lot more flexibility...but I haven't tried iFlicks for conversions yet. I'll have to play around with it.

For purposes of tagging...iFlicks is wayyy better than MetaX.

newagemac
Oct 7, 2010, 10:50 PM
Couple questions - I've always used MetaX, and it's worked great. It simply embeds the metadata directly into my .m4v/mp4 file.

When I tried using iFlicks, I never had any luck - every time it told me something like my file needed to be put into a "quicktime .MOV container", and although it added the metadata (movie poster, rating, actors, etc), it did some sort of conversion, and I always saw ~1-1.5 gigs disappear off my hard drive. And here's a link to the iFlicks page that talks about this:

http://www.iflicksapp.com/faq#i-already-have-encoded-my-videos-can-i-just-import-them-into-itunes-as-they-are

So I am getting really confused as to why I need ANY sort of conversion or "reference file"? I just want my .m4v/.mp4 iTunes movies tagged with metadata "as is", which is what MetaX seems to accomplish. . .can anybody shed some light onto this for me? I'd love to give iFlicks a shot if I can get it to work (simply tagging my files - not having to create duplicates or reference files), and would appreciate any help anyone can offer.

thanks!!
Mark

I might be mistaken but I believe they updated it to where it is able to tag only without reencoding now. Someone with more experience with it might be able to confirm that. I just downloaded it today and playing around with it now.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 7, 2010, 10:57 PM
iFlicks, You don't have re encode any video if you don't want to. You can use it just to tag your files from within iTunes if you like. It integrates with the TMDB & TVDB, find info for your movies and Tv shows is a breeze. You don't even need too launch the app it can retrive the info from within iTunes.

It really is the best tagger on OS X

Best thing to do is download it, it's fully functional for 14 days. Give it a try.

techguy40
Oct 7, 2010, 11:08 PM
Yes...iFlicks converts and tags. I had already converted my files using Handbrake and had 30-40 movies yet to tag so I've only used it for tagging. The tagging was a breeze....love the improved UI.

I couldn't tell you which is better for converting. Handbrake has such a following and there is tons of info on the web about how to tweak Handbrake...what the best settings are...etc. So Handbrake probably has a lot more flexibility...but I haven't tried iFlicks for conversions yet. I'll have to play around with it.

For purposes of tagging...iFlicks is wayyy better than MetaX.

cool. how long does it take to tag only?

michial
Oct 7, 2010, 11:35 PM
On a related issue, I am new to imac for a week now. Just started using handbrake about an hour ago for the first time. After converting some looney tunes halloween cartoons I noticed the fans on my new 27" i7 2.93 8gb kicked in. I felt the top of the imac and it was pretty toasty. I hear it conducts heat away from the internals, but its hot and the fans went on for about 5 minutes or so. Is that normal? I want to put some files into this and run it overnight but wonder if the machine can handle it or if it will overheat?

One other thing how do I put multiple items or a whole folder into handbreak? I can only seem to add one file at a time. When I try to add a folder it doesnt seem to register.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 7, 2010, 11:48 PM
cool. how long does it take to tag only?

If the movie is already in iTunes folder about 2 seconds.

If not it will make a duplicate of the movie which is pretty quick depending of the size of the movie 1 - 2 minuets.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 7, 2010, 11:50 PM
On a related issue, I am new to imac for a week now. Just started using handbrake about an hour ago for the first time. After converting some looney tunes halloween cartoons I noticed the fans on my new 27" i7 2.93 8gb kicked in. I felt the top of the imac and it was pretty toasty. I hear it conducts heat away from the internals, but its hot and the fans went on for about 5 minutes or so. Is that normal? I want to put some files into this and run it overnight but wonder if the machine can handle it or if it will overheat?

One other thing how do I put multiple items or a whole folder into handbreak? I can only seem to add one file at a time. When I try to add a folder it doesnt seem to register.

Make sure all the video you would like to add are in the same folder, select source and select that folder they will all show under title.

Your iMac will be good to go for many encodes in a row i have been using one of my iMac since 2007 almost non stop for video encoding, no issues at all.

michial
Oct 8, 2010, 12:20 AM
Make sure all the video you would like to add are in the same folder, select source and select that folder they will all show under title.

Your iMac will be good to go for many encodes in a row i have been using one of my iMac since 2007 almost non stop for video encoding, no issues at all.

Does your imacs fan kick in and does the top get toasty-Ive read on these forums about overheating so I was concerned. If its normal no big deal.

Also I have tried adding a folder that had all the star wars movies in it and it said it wanst a valid source. But when I tried to add them individually it was recognized?

Omne666
Oct 8, 2010, 12:28 AM
Does iFlicks work well with the New Apple TV? Does it do a better job than handbrake when converting?

Unfortunately no....HB is better at it due to the amount of control it gives. iFlicks converts but all to .mov files, which I detest, :confused: though I cant remember why now...its been so long.

But for adding metadata, putting the file then in a required location, adding it to itunes and deleting the original, its a dream to use.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 8, 2010, 12:56 AM
Nothing wrong with .Mov they play on all Apples devices and support multi Audi AC3 tags ect... they are perfectly fine.

iFilcks will keep your file as a m4v now.

Poobah22
Oct 26, 2010, 03:36 PM
I use Subler. Yeah, there's no documentation, but if you play around with it, it's very easy to use. Here are the basics:

1.) Rip a movie
2.) Launch Subler (you'll see the Subler icon in the dock)
3.) Open Finder and locate the movie file you want to tag
4.) Drag the movie file to the Subler icon on the dock - Subler will open
5.) Click on the magnifying glass icon in the top right corner
6.) Type in the movie name that you're looking to tag - hit enter
7.) Select the tag file you want to use - hit the "Add" button
8.) Clicking any blank line under "Chapter Track", etc., will show you the "Metadata", "Artwork", and "Other Settings" buttons.
9.) All of this info can be manually edited by double-clicking the field
10.) To change the artwork, double-click the artwork field, and hit "delete" to clear the field. You can then find artwork online (I prefer themoviedb.org), copy the image, and paste it into Subler's artwork field using "Command-V"
11.) Note: for those who intend on putting their movies on the iPad, check the "Create Preview Images" box under Subler's preferences. This will create those chapter preview images that you see for iPad videos
12.) Once all of the tagging information is to your liking, select "File-Save"
13.) Important: after you save it, select "File-Optimize" to finish the tagging operation
14.) Your file is now tagged. Enjoy!

This is very comprehensive. Thanks for it. Dumb question, though...what if the movie has already been moved to iTunes? Do I still just drag the file into Subler and when I'm done, it's updated in iTunes?

petvas
Oct 26, 2010, 03:52 PM
I use MetaX on my Mac and I am happy with it. I haven't used iFlicks but I will be testing it soon.

laurim
Oct 26, 2010, 03:55 PM
If you're on a mac and just want to tag movies and tv shows, check out the automator script referenced in the sticky about automating the ripping process:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=805573

Works great for me, free and easy.

tbayrgs
Oct 26, 2010, 04:32 PM
This is very comprehensive. Thanks for it. Dumb question, though...what if the movie has already been moved to iTunes? Do I still just drag the file into Subler and when I'm done, it's updated in iTunes?

Yes. You may not see the changes immediately--just right click on the title in iTunes and select 'Get Info' and you should see whatever changes you made.

henrikrox
Oct 26, 2010, 04:34 PM
mkvtools, for converting mkv's high bitrate movies to mp4, takes about a half and hour on my imac.

THen use iflicks to add tags, iflicks is so much better then the useless junk out there.

aelalfy
Oct 27, 2010, 12:10 PM
I have a question for those that use iflicks.

I use handbrake to encode to .mp4 and then use iflicks to tag them. And it works great but the artwork is not the same size as iTunes. Ie it's not square but the usual DVD cover size. So on the appletv it looks cropped on the main menu of the appletv UI. Is there a solution to this?

On a side note: when I watch a tv show on my appletv fully, it doesn't change the unwatched icon to watched. Meaning the tv show remains unwatched. I'm wondering if this has to do with the way I encode or tag or just an appletv things? I can go and long hold and change it to watched. Also if I watch a tv show partially, it changes the status to half watched, which is correct but never changes it to watched.

Thanks in advance,
AE

ftaok
Oct 27, 2010, 12:56 PM
I'm new to this, but I'm learning more and more what works for me.

I have a load of DVDs ripped onto an external HDD and a bunch of downloaded TV shows from torrent sites that are typically h264/MKV and MPEG-4/AVI files (note - these are shows that I can legally view via my cable subscription, but I don't have HDD space on the DVR for them all).

I typically use Handbrake to convert the VIDEO_TS DVD folders using the AppleTV preset. I have tried MetaX and it hosed my files. I tried Subler and couldn't figure it out ... although I may try again in the future. I'm now using Vidalin to tag my movies. It works pretty good, except I can't figure out why some of the artwork is lo-res. This forces me to swap the artwork in iTunes.

For the TV shows, I tried converting a 1.5 hour, 720p MKV file using handbrake (1280x720, 1500 kbps) and it took over 6 hours on a 2Ghz CoreDuo Macbook. Not acceptable, but the output file was decent enough. I'm guessing at the AppleTV preset (tweaked for 1280x720) would give me a much bigger file and a shorter encode time.

Ultimately, I am now just passing through the MKV and AVI files through MKVTools to convert the audio file. The process takes about 20 minutes and the file size is the same as the MKV file. I've tested 720p and 360p files and they play in iTunes and the new AppleTV. I haven't tested these files with Metadata Hootenany to add chapter marks ... yet.

ft

jaw04005
Oct 27, 2010, 02:12 PM
I love iFlicks. It's the best $30 on Mac shareware I've spent in a while. New version is supposed to support MKV encoding.

emaja
Oct 27, 2010, 03:27 PM
I was using MetaX, but was getting frustrated with how slow it became under Snow Leopard and its lack of updates. I downloaded and tried iFlicks, but since I am encoding with Handbrake, I just want to tag. I am not seeing how to do this.

I tried it with a few files just to see what it did, but it seems that the file sizes are different - smaller - after I run them through iFlicks. I am using the default settings and do not see an option for "tag only."

EDIT: I think I found it. Instead of dragging the raw, untagged file, you seem to have to grab the file from within iTunes. Seems odd to me to add it to iTunes untagged, then drag to iFlicks, then have it do its magic and re-inport to iTunes.

pasipple
Oct 27, 2010, 03:57 PM
I was using MetaX, but was getting frustrated with how slow it became under Snow Leopard and its lack of updates. I downloaded and tried iFlicks, but since I am encoding with Handbrake, I just want to tag. I am not seeing how to do this.

I tried it with a few files just to see what it did, but it seems that the file sizes are different - smaller - after I run them through iFlicks. I am using the default settings and do not see an option for "tag only."

EDIT: I think I found it. Instead of dragging the raw, untagged file, you seem to have to grab the file from within iTunes. Seems odd to me to add it to iTunes untagged, then drag to iFlicks, then have it do its magic and re-inport to iTunes.

I couldn't find any straightforward instructions for iFlicks either. And like you...I use it specificallly for tagging. But with a little experimentation I learned that it takes about two clicks to tag and add a movie to iTunes.

1) At the very bottom left...hit the "+" button and navigate to the file you wish to add to iTunes. Select the file...and it will be added to the iFlicks workspace.

2A) If the file was identified by iFlicks you should see the cover art. If this is correct...hit the "start" button on the very bottom right. After 20-30 seconds iFlicks will finish and you are done. The file should now be tagged and visible in iTunes.

2B) If the file was NOT identified by iFlicks...hit the "magnified glass" button on the very bottom left. A dialog box will appear giving you a list of movies that most closely match the title of the file you are trying to tag. Browse this list and select the appropriate selection. Then hit the "start" button and your file will be added to iTunes.

Hope that helps....

emaja
Oct 27, 2010, 04:03 PM
I couldn't find any straightforward instructions for iFlicks either. And like you...I use it specificallly for tagging. But with a little experimentation I learned that it takes about two clicks to tag and add a movie to iTunes.

Those are the same steps I did, but I am not sure why the tagged files end up being smaller than the untagged files. Like I said, I am using the default settings and that includes the "Flatten to QuickTime." preset. I'm not sure if I need to use another preset. The others look like they do encoding.

pasipple
Oct 27, 2010, 04:08 PM
Those are the same steps I did, but I am not sure why the tagged files end up being smaller than the untagged files. Like I said, I am using the default settings and that includes the "Flatten to QuickTime." preset. I'm not sure if I need to use another preset. The others look like they do encoding.

Yea...I don't know. I use the same preset....but I've never noticed the file size. Next time I add a movie I'll check it out myself.

henrikrox
Oct 29, 2010, 02:09 PM
If you are encoding with handbrake or any other software, and just use iflicks for tagging, just use the flatten to quicktime preset. It just copies the file with metadata. And should just take a minute +-

Best program i found so far is mkvtools, its maxing all my quad cores, and use much less time to encode then iflicks/handbrake.

And then i get good quality hd movies, instead of the divx/xvid crap