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Paulywauly
Oct 13, 2010, 11:12 AM
What features would you like to see in Apples new desktop OS?

(Yes i know the name hasnt been officially announced yet, but the poster from next weeks media event says it all really!)



yg17
Oct 13, 2010, 11:14 AM
Blu-ray playback

ravenvii
Oct 13, 2010, 12:21 PM
Easy: fix expose so it's back to the way it was in Leopard and prior!

jav6454
Oct 13, 2010, 12:26 PM
Reduced sizes across all apps if they aren't adding anything to them. Safari can lag at times due to it's bloatness.

Funkatronic
Oct 13, 2010, 01:09 PM
TRIM support.

Disc Golfer
Oct 13, 2010, 01:11 PM
More porn.

rprebel
Oct 13, 2010, 01:11 PM
Tabbed Finder windows

maril1111
Oct 13, 2010, 01:17 PM
Tabbed Finder windows

This and bluray support maybe even integration with ps3 and xbox if possible somehow

quagmire
Oct 13, 2010, 02:24 PM
Resolution Independence. So you don't have to take the screen off its native resolution to be able to see the words, etc. Much like the iPhone with its retina display. Resolution went up, but you could still read the words.

This will help with my dad because his eye sight is not the best and he keeps on making everything blurry on their 27" iMac by bumping down the resolution so he can read.

Kilamite
Oct 13, 2010, 02:49 PM
Resolution Independence. So you don't have to take the screen off its native resolution to be able to see the words, etc. Much like the iPhone with its retina display. Resolution went up, but you could still read the words.

This is my biggest hope, and Apple really have to do it this time. It was a feature originally advertised for Leopard.. what, 4 years ago?

AnimaLeo
Oct 13, 2010, 03:21 PM
More porn.

I concur.

jamietshaw
Oct 13, 2010, 03:31 PM
I’d rather they caught up with some of the smaller issues before doing anything fancy…

Finder

Tabbed Finder windows.
Cut and paste files.
Folders in path bar to be spring loaded.
Search: ability to display all results at once, not first 10k only; ability to copy and paste more than 10 results at once
Easy way to get a file or folder’s path.
Ability to Quick Look a folder and see its contents
Ability to do things like rename files whilst in Open/Save dialog boxes
View zip file contents, add to zip file


Servers

Easy way to connect to servers on login without Finder windows opening.
Finder windows to properly update when files are changed (e.g. date modified doesn’t update until selecting that file)
Servers to always show up in the Finder sidebar


Other

Dashboard widgets to load themselves on login, not on the first activation of Dashboard
More powerful Automator - it never quite does enough
Consistent shortcut keys for home, end etc.
Ability to prevent icons in the Dock from endlessly bouncing

Tilpots
Oct 13, 2010, 03:31 PM
Resolution Independence. So you don't have to take the screen off its native resolution to be able to see the words, etc. Much like the iPhone with its retina display. Resolution went up, but you could still read the words.

This will help with my dad because his eye sight is not the best and he keeps on making everything blurry on their 27" iMac by bumping down the resolution so he can read.

This is my biggest hope, and Apple really have to do it this time. It was a feature originally advertised for Leopard.. what, 4 years ago?

+3 from the HTPC crowd. It's been around for years now but still not implemented...

flopticalcube
Oct 13, 2010, 03:36 PM
Fast OS switching so I don't have to reboot every time I come out of bootcamp.

chrmjenkins
Oct 13, 2010, 03:56 PM
Full openGL 4.0 compliance and much better graphic driver maintenance.

rdowns
Oct 13, 2010, 04:56 PM
A $29 price tag. :D

roadbloc
Oct 13, 2010, 04:58 PM
Low system requirements. 512MB of ram should be the limit for an OS in my world.

rprebel
Oct 13, 2010, 05:01 PM
Get rid of the base 10 nonsense. I'm sorry Steve, but 1000KB≠1MB.

macquariumguy
Oct 13, 2010, 05:29 PM
Preemptive mind reading.

ravenvii
Oct 13, 2010, 06:04 PM
Get rid of the base 10 nonsense. I'm sorry Steve, but 1000KB≠1MB.

I actually like the base 10 "nonsense". What it says on the computer is what it says on my harddrive's specs.

Moreover, base 10 has been proved to be full of win. The metric system, for one.

It's a good move forward. Only computer geeks and spec-heads need to know the actual 1024-based numbers.

Paulywauly
Oct 13, 2010, 06:18 PM
apple will have learned alot from the development of IOS over the past few years, so much so that my ipad and iphone perform much faster doing day to things than my new imac. im hoping that the developers put that experience to good use for 10.7!

chrmjenkins
Oct 13, 2010, 06:18 PM
I actually like the base 10 "nonsense". What it says on the computer is what it says on my harddrive's specs.

Moreover, base 10 has been proved to be full of win. The metric system, for one.

It's a good move forward. Only computer geeks and spec-heads need to know the actual 1024-based numbers.

Yeah, the only real problem you get is the cognitive dissonance when someone quotes or lists something in base 2 numbers. In reality, they're often not that off to matter anyway.

TSE
Oct 13, 2010, 07:53 PM
Instant switch on to Windows Boot Camp partition. Less bloat. More speed. More stability. More GPU acceleration. Cleaner UI. Better energy management settings. More multitouch features.

jaw04005
Oct 13, 2010, 09:00 PM
I asked for these features in a past thread:

1. Resolution Independence (It actually got worse in Snow Leopard.)
2. System-wide Touch (Where are you? Windows 7 has it built-in.)
3. ZFS or new Apple file system (Time Machine needs you badly.)
4. Marble (We need a unified UI.) [Marble has since been confirmed to be Xcode 4, not a unified UI for OS X.]
5. Original concept of Stacks as Virtual Folders (Bring back the Stacks feature that was originally demoed where Stacks acted as a virtual folder for any set of random items in the Finder. Let saved Spotlight searches become Stacks also.)

Other wishes:

1. Revamped Display preferences with built-in Plex-like overscan adjustment for HDTVs and better resolution detection. (Snow Leopard has made an attempt, but more work is needed.)[This has been added for certain videos cards including the latest MacBooks and the new Mac mini although it’s not as good as Plex’s.]
2. System-wide Media Sharing. (Using the Sharing preference pane instead of requiring iTunes or iPhoto to be open. DLNA certification with built-in media transcoding would be nice also.)
3. Bring back QuickTime Pro X, drop the ability to install QuickTime 7. (And drop the $30 charge for Pro X.)
4. Refine the 3D Dock so it doesn't take up as much space both vertically and horizontally.
5. Fix iCal so you don't have to launch Inspector or Get Info to adjust events.
6. Put contextual services back like the Snow Leopard beta seeds where they mimic the new Services menu complete with organization and application icons.
7. Officially support AirPort Extreme AirDisk drives as Time Machine backup drives with built-in formatting accessible from AirPort Utility. Add disk repair functions (from Disk Utility) to both Time Capsule and AirPort Extreme to fix minor disk problems with internal (Time Capsule) and external (AirPort Extreme) AirDisks.
8. More integration between iCal, Mail and Address Book (Dare I say combine them a la Microsoft Outlook?).

Mike225
Oct 13, 2010, 09:01 PM
Normal mouse acceleration

DJ-R
Oct 14, 2010, 12:55 AM
I just recently bought this MacBook Pro.

Has Apple ever offer special pricing for those who just bought their new Apple computer from the last 2-3 months purchase date for the release date of OSX Lion 10.7?


11 Possibilities for Mac OS X 10.7 Lion


Mac OS X 10.7 Lion – the name is still pure speculation, but based on the Lion face peaking out from behind the logo, this is somewhat obvious. Plus, it has a better ring to it than Mac OS X Ceiling Cat.

iChat + FaceTime – this is a no brainer update, since you can now use FaceTime on an iPod touch via email addresses to initiate a FaceTime call, it’s inevitable it will come to Mac OS X

Mac App Store – with the success of the iOS App Store, why not bring one to Mac OS X apps? It would be a mistake to make the App Store the only way to install apps on a Mac, but having a central shopping and download location for all Mac software would be a big hit.

Stronger Multi-Touch Integration – Between the Magic Trackpad and Apple’s wild success with the touch based iOS, we’ll likely get stronger multi-touch support in upcoming versions of Mac OS X. Whether or not this is full on iOS integration, who knows – but probably not yet.

iOS replaces Dashboard – Dashboard is fun to check your local weather, but beyond that it doesn’t get a lot of use. Apple already filed for patents to incorporate iOS into Mac OS X in an iMac Touch, and replacing Dashboard with an iOS layer makes a lot of sense. It’s likely inevitable, but will we see it in the next version of Mac OS X?

Cloud Support – whether this is storing media in the cloud, syncing data between your Mac and iOS device from anywhere, the aforementioned Mac App Store, or something entirely different, who knows. Based on the job listing posted earlier in the year about a ‘revolutionary feature’ though, Apple is almost certainly looking at incorporating cloud computing and storage into an upcoming Mac OS X version. Will it be in 10.7? Who knows.

Updated Finder – perhaps we’ll see tabbed Finder windows, icons built for high resolution (retina for Mac?) displays, automatic file tagging and sorting, and other advanced file management features.

Updated Dock – the Dock is a great feature of Mac OS X but it could use improvement, with things like Stacks Fan view becoming scrollable, and maybe better window management and previews.

New GUI – we’ll likely see an updated (or at least unified) GUI, to what extent it will be different is anyones guess. My assumption is that it will be refinements but we’ll be keeping close to the existing Mac OS X interface

Real NTFS Support – Yes, Snow Leopard can mount NTFS volumes with read/write support but it’s not enabled by default and not officially supported. Because of this, NTFS support in Mac OS X is relegated to third party developers and the open source community. True native NTFS read and write support is essential to Mac OS X behaving well in a Windows world, so this is pretty likely feature.

Advanced AirPlay Support – AirPlay looks to have a very promising future for all of Apple’s products, it would make a lot of sense for stronger AirPlay support to exist in Mac OS X. Why limit the protocol to music and video? Why not let your Mac applications export to things like a projector, TV, or iOS device via AirPlay too

Surely
Oct 14, 2010, 12:58 AM
Yes, but I don't know if they would offer it for a purchase this far out (if December is your target release month).

I doubt it'll be more than $79 anyway........ Snow Leopard was $29, BTW.

juicedropsdeuce
Oct 14, 2010, 01:11 AM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

Surely
Oct 14, 2010, 01:20 AM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

I've heard those rumors, but I just don't see that happening. Doesn't make much business sense.

But anything is possible.....

toxic
Oct 14, 2010, 01:21 AM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

only thing I've heard is that it might only work on a 64-but EFI, since Apple's obviously working towards a completely 64-bit OS...but just about everything Apple's released since 2007 has 64-bit EFI anyway..

Surely
Oct 14, 2010, 01:22 AM
only rumors I've heard say that it will only work on a 64-but EFI...which is basically everything Apple released since 2007.

That makes way more sense. Kind of like when OSX stopped being compatible with PPC.

mulo
Oct 14, 2010, 01:23 AM
only rumors I've heard say that it will only work on a 64-but EFI...which is basically everything Apple released since 2007.

which also happens to be the only rumor that would make any sense at all.

mrkramer
Oct 14, 2010, 03:46 AM
I would be very surprised if we saw an actual release before October, Apple needs to give developers time to test their programs with betas, and for 10.4,10.5, and 10.6 that has taken about a year from when they were first released. So We will possibly see a beta go out to developers immediately after the event, but we may not see a final release until October of next year.

But to answer your question about upgrade pricing Apple usually will give cheaper pricing or possibly a free copy to people who bought their computers close to the actual release date. I think it's usually just a month before though.

Pressure
Oct 14, 2010, 05:58 AM
If they preview it next week, we will have it in around a year from then.

No worries, it will work on every 64-bit capable Mac.

OllyW
Oct 14, 2010, 06:04 AM
But to answer your question about upgrade pricing Apple usually will give cheaper pricing or possibly a free copy to people who bought their computers close to the actual release date. I think it's usually just a month before though.

Apple usually gives a free update (plus postage) to those who buy their computers after the release date of the new OS has been announced, which is usually only a few weeks before it goes on sale.

maflynn
Oct 14, 2010, 06:31 AM
Don't hold your breath on seeing 10.7 out and available before Christmas. Apple needs to give it too developers so they have time to properly update their apps, or least ensure they're compatible with 10.7. That hasn't happened and next week's event is only to to a preview to which apple will then after a period of time provide the beta to ADC members.

AdamRock
Oct 14, 2010, 07:07 AM
i highly doubt it will be available for purchase before christmas.

i would hope to see a preview of it at their event along side a new MBP :O

rdowns
Oct 14, 2010, 07:13 AM
Christmas? Surely you jest.

Next week they start dangling carrots.
Developer beta at WWDC in June.
Release next October.

fcortese
Oct 14, 2010, 08:58 AM
i highly doubt it will be available for purchase before christmas.

i would hoe to see a preview of it at their event along side a new MBP :O

Agree that Christmas seem to be an aggressive timetable. New MBP? Very, very wishful thinking. I would think that Lion or whatever it's called would be a transition like Tiger>Leopard>Snow Leopard for any of the recent Mac laptops running those OSs.

chriscl
Oct 14, 2010, 09:20 AM
I bought my MBP in late 2007, with 10.4 "Tiger" pre-installed.

This was just before Leopard was announced.

I was though able to get a Leopard DVD for the princely-postage of £6 (GBP) about three weeks later though. :D

G4er?
Oct 14, 2010, 09:26 AM
I hoping the Back to the Mac slogan isn't just for the announcement of the next version of an operating system but a general return to paying attention to desktop computers. It would be great to see a Mac for the home with some internal expandability built to a size between the mini and the Pro.

Pentad
Oct 14, 2010, 09:33 AM
There is no way that 10.7 will not be compatible with current machines. The only computers that it might not work on are Macs that don't support 64 bit CPU/EFI. I would guess the first gen Intel Macs that use the Duo Core chips would be out since they do not support 64 bit. I'm not sure about the other older Intel Macs. However, anything in the last 3 years should be fine.

I wish we would see it soon but I agree we are looking at a year or so for release. There are many alpha and beta releases to be released before we'll see a gold version.

-P

Lone Deranger
Oct 14, 2010, 09:34 AM
Full openGL 4.0 compliance and much better graphic driver maintenance.

Yes please!

talmy
Oct 14, 2010, 09:41 AM
Another vote for resolution independence. It's a serious omission.

I also don't like applications grabbing focus. You'll know this if you are typing a document when a background application pops up some notification and suddenly you are typing into that. :mad: Microsoft fixed this years ago by having an app's focus request flash it's Taskbar icon instead of changing focus.

Nothing radical that breaks existing applications or ends up requiring upgrading every system to 10.7 to get decent operation. It's too expensive in time and money for me to have to upgrade every system I maintain.

talmy
Oct 14, 2010, 09:44 AM
I hoping the Back to the Mac slogan isn't just for the announcement of the next version of an operating system but a general return to paying attention to desktop computers. It would be great to see a Mac for the home with some internal expandability built to a size between the mini and the Pro.

People have been clamoring for a mini-tower Mac for years. It just doesn't seem to be enough people! Apple is a trend seeking company and desktop computer sales are falling. The emphasis will always be on mobile devices.

frunkis54
Oct 14, 2010, 10:44 AM
now the snow leopard price was special don't count on 10.7 being that low. but there is no way it will be out before next summer.

davidwarren
Oct 14, 2010, 10:46 AM
now the snow leopard price was special don't count on 10.7 being that low. but there is no way it will be out before next summer.

I bet it will be lower than the usual $129.

netdog
Oct 14, 2010, 10:47 AM
Lion will not be released before Christmas
It will be at least $129 when it is released
It will work on current Macs


You can take that to the bank.

AdamRock
Oct 14, 2010, 12:36 PM
Agree that Christmas seem to be an aggressive timetable. New MBP? Very, very wishful thinking. I would think that Lion or whatever it's called would be a transition like Tiger>Leopard>Snow Leopard for any of the recent Mac laptops running those OSs.

lol i just want any kind of update for the mbp even if its 00.01ghz diffrence XD

also i noticed you also have the T1i, which lens do you use??

Colonel-Panic
Oct 14, 2010, 12:52 PM
Lion will not be released before Christmas
It will be at least $129 when it is released
It will work on current Macs


You can take that to the bank.

I would say all your points are safe bets. I don't think the OS will run more than $129 (except in "box set/family pack" form). However, seeing as how Snow Leopard was a under the hood upgrade, I do see "Lion" (if so named) being a full new OS (UI/performance rework) and thus justifying the $129 price tag common to Apple for such a release.

Disclaimer: Of course no one but Apple knows these things conclusively at this point though...

jamied95
Oct 14, 2010, 01:09 PM
Disclaimer: Of course no one but Apple knows these things conclusively at this point though...

In reality, very few people within Apple probably know full details... and I would doubt that the final price has been set yet, afterall, it is more likely than not still a year away, as we saw with 10.5 --> 10.6 :/

Colonel-Panic
Oct 14, 2010, 01:16 PM
In reality, very few people within Apple probably know full details...

I was using Apple in a general sense. I was referring to people in a need to know position within Apple of course. I know the low level employees in the stores and whatnot aren't given sensitive information. There are clearly people in Apple that know these things and make these decisions.

It's funny... I put that disclaimer up there for the people who would shout "you don't know those things for sure" and apparently I need to also put up a disclaimer for my disclaimer so people won't shout about that.

Disclaimer: MacRumors comments are for entertainment purposes only. Don't take yourself and everyone else so seriously! (I think that should cover pretty much anything said)

iLog.Genius
Oct 14, 2010, 01:24 PM
Anyone also think that 10.7 will be the last version of OS X? If you think of the cats being used and how Apple's been using them lately, what's really left (if there are any left...) is the lion and the lion is king and there is none bigger.

jamied95
Oct 14, 2010, 01:31 PM
I was using Apple in a general sense. I was referring to people in a need to know position within Apple of course. I know the low level employees in the stores and whatnot aren't given sensitive information. There are clearly people in Apple that know these things and make these decisions.

It's funny... I put that disclaimer up there for the people who would shout "you don't know those things for sure" and apparently I need to also put up a disclaimer for my disclaimer so people won't shout about that.

Disclaimer: MacRumors comments are for entertainment purposes only. Don't take yourself and everyone else so seriously! (I think that should cover pretty much anything said)

I was simply adding clarification to the matter, I wasn't shouting at you, merely adding to you're already good point :)

rdowns
Oct 14, 2010, 01:39 PM
Anyone also think that 10.7 will be the last version of OS X? If you think of the cats being used and how Apple's been using them lately, what's really left (if there are any left...) is the lion and the lion is king and there is none bigger.


Last version of OS X? I don't know about that. I think, from a marketing perspective that there won't be any more cat names for the Mac OS. I would expect 10.8 or 11.0 to begin marrying OS X and iOS in some fashion.

iLog.Genius
Oct 14, 2010, 02:13 PM
Last version of OS X? I don't know about that. I think, from a marketing perspective that there won't be any more cat names for the Mac OS. I would expect 10.8 or 11.0 to begin marrying OS X and iOS in some fashion.

Just so we're clear, I don't mean the last Mac OS but the last version of 10 before they move on to something else. I mean, I don't see them using a different animal (that's not a cat) and then calling it 10.8. I think after lion, it'll be Mac OS 11 with what you said, something to do or integrate with iOS.

bizzle
Oct 14, 2010, 02:20 PM
I am pretty sure 10.8 was confirmed to be named "Liger".

http://forevergeek.com/images/liger.jpg

WardC
Oct 14, 2010, 04:46 PM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

The more likely scenario is that future versions of OS X (from 10.7 onward) will not be compatible with anything but EFI64. Older EFI32 Intel Macs such as 2006 and 2007 models would not be compatible with the new versions os OS X.

WardC
Oct 14, 2010, 05:04 PM
The Lion is is town!!!

http://www.wardcurry.com/macosxlion.jpg

limo79
Oct 14, 2010, 05:07 PM
Apple should not hurry with new OSX. Why ? Because Apple consumers and experts still waiting for something really spectacular and well-rounded.

In my opinion and also some Apple experts Snow Leopard was similar mistake product like Microsoft Vista was.

Maybe it is also a time to start talking about new universal file system (what about ZFS ???), full Intel UEFI compatibility (what about users who want to run Windows 7 64-bit on Macs ???) and full GPU support under OSX. I am really bored this battle between Apple and Adobe regarding Flash. What about USB 3.0 support under OSX ? What about future - Intel Light Peak support ? What about native NTFS write under OSX without buggy drivers from external companies ? Maybe it is time to propose a real native file manager ? Questions, question, questions...

alust2013
Oct 14, 2010, 05:15 PM
Apple should not hurry with new OSX. Why ? Because Apple consumers and experts still waiting for something really spectacular and well-rounded.

In my opinion and also some Apple experts Snow Leopard was similar mistake product like Microsoft Vista was.

Maybe it is also a time to start talking about new universal file system (what about ZFS ???), full Intel UEFI compatibility (what about users who want to run Windows 7 64-bit on Macs ???) and full GPU support under OSX. I am really bored this battle between Apple and Adobe regarding Flash. What about USB 3.0 support under OSX ? What about future - Intel Light Peak support ? What about native NTFS write under OSX without buggy drivers from external companies ? Maybe it is time to propose a real native file manager ? Questions, question, questions...

I'm not sure how they relate SL to vista at all. They were two completely different things. Vista was a complete overhaul of the windows operating system, while SL was just a large maintenance/optimization of Leopard (hence the $30 price tag). Those are two completely different animals.

Also, you already can run windows 7 64-bit on a mac (in fact I am doing it currently on an "unsupported" model)

StuddedLeather
Oct 14, 2010, 05:45 PM
Yeah I think sometimes people forget SL was NOT a completely new OS upgrade.

I doubt if OSX Lion will be release this year. . . and I also doubt it'll be less than $129.

I do believe we'll see lots of new features though. Can't wait until the 20th! It'll be cool to see a redesign with the MBP's but that'll probably happen next year when "Lion" get's released.

holycowe
Oct 14, 2010, 06:41 PM
Can not wait, Lion will support trim.........i hope

appleguy123
Oct 14, 2010, 07:10 PM
Anyone also think that 10.7 will be the last version of OS X? If you think of the cats being used and how Apple's been using them lately, what's really left (if there are any left...) is the lion and the lion is king and there is none bigger.

Mountain Lion. Like the highest that Mac OS X will ever go. Then OS 11/iOS convergence.

jclardy
Oct 14, 2010, 08:42 PM
There is no way they would end support for the current line without any notice, as there would be a huge backlash.

They may drop the 32 bit processors as they upgraded the macbooks to 64 bit processors in the first year they were available (Core Duo -> Core 2).

toxic
Oct 14, 2010, 09:03 PM
what's with the predictions of Macintosh's demise in favor of iOS? iOS is for mobile devices...Macs are not (necessarily) mobile devices, unless you people foresee Apple ditching the iMac and Mac Pro.

deeesea
Oct 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
This could be a while no? I mean there's posts about a touch screen imac and what not around the interwebs. Could it be apple doing a snow leopard-ish kinda sneak peak at perhaps a touch screen imac? if that's the case, then hell no, it won't be out by december. and probably be out in the near future, like december next year.

DesmoPilot
Oct 14, 2010, 11:15 PM
- TRIM
- Resolution independence (1280x800 currently looks just horrible on the 13" MB and MBP)
- tabbed finder browsing
- not really a feature but rather a request, decent 3D drivers would be a plus.

DJ-R
Oct 15, 2010, 12:13 AM
Anyone also think that 10.7 will be the last version of OS X? If you think of the cats being used and how Apple's been using them lately, what's really left (if there are any left...) is the lion and the lion is king and there is none bigger.

CATFISH!

DJ-R
Oct 15, 2010, 12:18 AM
I doubt they will only be compatible to new Mac 2011. lol

The only thing it won't support on Mac 2010 and below + after PPC is multi-touch screen support.

Other features will be as well integrated.

Anyways, lol. I almost forgot about 10.6.5 coming update will be well round in Nov-Dec. So 10.7 is definitely NEXT year for sure.

I've lost my logical way of thinking for developers lol. More like are you kidding that they just finished working on 10.6.5 and then release 10.7. What a waste of resources!

Ttownbeast
Oct 15, 2010, 12:36 AM
I am still with 10.5 once PPC is entirely obsolete I am making the switch to Linux for good

mark28
Oct 15, 2010, 04:24 AM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

Pretty funny.

So Windows works on all computer basically, but OS X only on the next gen models.

Pretty lame if it won't be compatible with the current gen Macbook pro's.

mark28
Oct 15, 2010, 04:25 AM
CATFISH!

Sabretooth tiger :D

Creditcard
Oct 15, 2010, 05:08 AM
Sabretooth tiger :D

Pterodactyl..

Gogo power rangers! :D

Piplodocus
Oct 15, 2010, 08:38 AM
...what about users who want to run Windows 7 64-bit on Macs ???)

Like me? Who already is with bootcamp?

Piplodocus
Oct 15, 2010, 08:57 AM
I've seen a top secret apple document for all the upcoming OSes. It'll run...

10.0 "Cheetah"
10.1 "Puma"
10.2 "Jaguar"
10.3 "Panther"
10.4 "Tiger"
10.5 "Leopard"
10.6 "Snow Leopard"
10.7 "Lion"
10.8 "Mountain Lion"
10.9 "Grrrrrr!, Just Grrrrr!"

Then it'll be...

11.0 "Poodle"
11.1 "Scotty"
11.2 "Terrier"
11.3 "Chiuhauhau"
11.4 "Sausage"
11.5 "Sheepdog"
11.6 "Dalmation"
11.7 "Pitt Bull"
11.8 "Rottweiler"
11.9 "Wolf"

They haven't decided on the 12.x's yet.

Apparently there's gonna be some unbelieveable things in OS11 Sausage....

yellow
Oct 15, 2010, 09:01 AM
Yes, but I don't know if they would offer it for a purchase this far out (if December is your target release month).

I doubt it'll be more than $79 anyway........ Snow Leopard was $29, BTW.

More like $129 for retail. That's been the model for all releases so far. Snow Leopard was so cheap because it's an optimized version of Leopard (hence the name).

There's no chance in hell that the next version of Mac OS X will be released anytime soon.


So Windows works on all computer basically, but OS X only on the next gen models.

Pretty lame if it won't be compatible with the current gen Macbook pro's.

I seriously doubt the veracity of that claim. Snow Leopard was Intel only simply because there was no point in continuing to support PPC hardware.

Sirmausalot
Oct 15, 2010, 10:25 AM
Before Christmas 2011 would be my guess. So yes.

I just recently bought this MacBook Pro.

Has Apple ever offer special pricing for those who just bought their new Apple computer from the last 2-3 months purchase date for the release date of OSX Lion 10.7?

Sirmausalot
Oct 15, 2010, 10:26 AM
Actually, Snow Leopard broke a ton of drivers (many printer ones) causing many 3rd party items not to function properly. Very Vista of them IMHO

I'm not sure how they relate SL to vista at all. They were two completely different things. Vista was a complete overhaul of the windows operating system, while SL was just a large maintenance/optimization of Leopard (hence the $30 price tag). Those are two completely different animals.

Also, you already can run windows 7 64-bit on a mac (in fact I am doing it currently on an "unsupported" model)

Sirmausalot
Oct 15, 2010, 10:27 AM
10.9 Lioness

Oh and the 'X' in OS X I think is a reference to the NeXT operating system which it's based upon. So I think that's why Steve-O is loathe to let it go.

CATFISH!

deeesea
Oct 15, 2010, 06:27 PM
OSX 10.8 is confirmed to be Kitty. OSX 10.9 is confirmed to be Domestic house cat. Trust me on this guise.

rekhyt
Oct 16, 2010, 01:26 AM
Yes, but I don't know if they would offer it for a purchase this far out (if December is your target release month).

I doubt it'll be more than $79 anyway........ Snow Leopard was $29, BTW.

Snow Leopard was somewhat of a distraction for Microsoft-They were trying to extinguish the hype of 7 so they did this while they worked on Lion/10.7.

I would say all your points are safe bets. I don't think the OS will run more than $129 (except in "box set/family pack" form). However, seeing as how Snow Leopard was a under the hood upgrade, I do see "Lion" (if so named) being a full new OS (UI/performance rework) and thus justifying the $129 price tag common to Apple for such a release.

Disclaimer: Of course no one but Apple knows these things conclusively at this point though...

Agreed about the price tag-I hope it's priced at $99 though. Sounds more attractive than $129, but it's good how it's unlimited installs so restoring OSes is easy, unlike Windows.

Do you think that the older MacBook Pros (Core 2 Duos) might be at a disadvantage for this OS? Because it's quite a big gap between the Core i5/7s and Apple would want to take advantage of the processor and graphical capabilities of the newer MacBook Pros, so the UI might be slower in the older ones.

toxic
Oct 16, 2010, 02:59 AM
Snow Leopard was somewhat of a distraction for Microsoft-They were trying to extinguish the hype of 7 so they did this while they worked on Lion/10.7.

you think Apple just slapped together an OS update just because of 7? I think not. these things are planned well in advance.


Do you think that the older MacBook Pros (Core 2 Duos) might be at a disadvantage for this OS? Because it's quite a big gap between the Core i5/7s and Apple would want to take advantage of the processor and graphical capabilities of the newer MacBook Pros, so the UI might be slower in the older ones.

no. there is not "quite a big gap" between Core 2 and Nehalem/Westmere, for starters. second, any large performance advances Apple wants to make will use the GPU – notice how Apple has insisted on giving all of its computer at least a decent (i.e. not Intel) GPU, even though not everyone needs it, and even 10.6 barely takes advantage of it (if at all) despite all the hype around OpenCL.

but I doubt 10.7 will require much higher specs just to run smoothly. PPC Macs run 10.5 just fine. their limitations are from CPU-intensive tasks, which running an OS is not.

rekhyt
Oct 16, 2010, 05:44 AM
you think Apple just slapped together an OS update just because of 7? I think not. these things are planned well in advance.

no. there is not "quite a big gap" between Core 2 and Nehalem/Westmere, for starters. second, any large performance advances Apple wants to make will use the GPU – notice how Apple has insisted on giving all of its computer at least a decent (i.e. not Intel) GPU, even though not everyone needs it, and even 10.6 barely takes advantage of it (if at all) despite all the hype around OpenCL.

but I doubt 10.7 will require much higher specs just to run smoothly. PPC Macs run 10.5 just fine. their limitations are from CPU-intensive tasks, which running an OS is not.

Yes, actually. I'm quite sure that the brilliant minds within the Apple HQ had thought of excellent ideas and features for the OS.

It probably originally was supposed to all come out in 10.6, but because of the delay of the Marble interface, they probably shipped most of the good/new features to 10.7, while they did the new Exposé and the other system architectural improvements to SL.

They probably wanted to build up all their forces and beat Windows 8 when 10.7 comes out.

eco7077
Oct 16, 2010, 09:57 AM
There are many rumors that the new version of OS X will not be compatible with current computers. It will be released early next year and only be available as pre-installed on all the new redesigns (macbook/pro, iMac). :(

When Apple had the chance to dominate the PC world, SJ did that (i think with the LISA) and Apple relegated itself to that 4% market for years.

If they do it again, then it means Apple is becoming stupid again.

It wasn't Windows that almost killed Apple, it was Apple itself.

iThinkergoiMac
Oct 16, 2010, 05:48 PM
Resolution independence (1280x800 currently looks just horrible on the 13" MB and MBP)

I'm assuming that you mean things are too big? Resolution independence is all about making this bigger on high-resolution screens. Making things smaller to get more space won't work very well.

DVD9
Oct 16, 2010, 06:34 PM
Do you think that the older MacBook Pros (Core 2 Duos) might be at a disadvantage for this OS? Because it's quite a big gap between the Core i5/7s and Apple would want to take advantage of the processor and graphical capabilities of the newer MacBook Pros, so the UI might be slower in the older ones.

[gasps!] Do you realize what you just wrote?

Edit your post and then run and hide under the bed until Apple fixs the 13" MBP.
--

seek3r
Oct 16, 2010, 06:55 PM
only thing I've heard is that it might only work on a 64-but EFI, since Apple's obviously working towards a completely 64-bit OS...but just about everything Apple's released since 2007 has 64-bit EFI anyway..

I'd bet more 64 bit cpu than efi, none other than 64 bit efi would kill a number of fuly 64 bit capable machines, including the original core 2 MB, MBP, and Minis and the '06 MP, which is still a faster machine than a few general consumer machines apple currently ships. There's no reason not to include those comps, and if apple somehow does drop them, I'm sure that something like xpostfacto will show up to allow installing Lion :)

bperrella
Oct 16, 2010, 09:22 PM
you think Apple just slapped together an OS update just because of 7? I think not. these things are planned well in advance.



no. there is not "quite a big gap" between Core 2 and Nehalem/Westmere, for starters. second, any large performance advances Apple wants to make will use the GPU – notice how Apple has insisted on giving all of its computer at least a decent (i.e. not Intel) GPU, even though not everyone needs it, and even 10.6 barely takes advantage of it (if at all) despite all the hype around OpenCL.


Dont forget the C2D Macbooks From 07 with the GMA950 which is pretty far from decent... and the X3100's from 2008...

MBX
Oct 17, 2010, 08:45 AM
Let's hope. Way overdue those clunky blue buttons/ UI elements are being replaced by something more sleek.

I actually quite like the dark theme from Ubuntu 10.10 but know Apple can make it look better.

arnop
Oct 17, 2010, 09:29 AM
I'm quite happy with the way 10.6 responds on my i5 iMac. I'm sure Apple will give us a faster OS, more advanced GCD, improved Time Machine, refined Stacks and Finder and new iChat with FaceTime

brijazz
Oct 17, 2010, 09:30 AM
I'm just hoping that the dull looks of iTunes 10 isn't an indicator of future UI design. Guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

Nishi100
Oct 17, 2010, 10:38 AM
I'm just hoping that the dull looks of iTunes 10 isn't an indicator of future UI design. Guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

I hate the grey icons in iTunes 10 and find it ironic that the new icon is more colourful than the old one.

BTW : I love aqua; but, yes, it need a update maybe to make it more slick and cool looking.

arnop
Oct 17, 2010, 11:04 AM
I'm just hoping that the dull looks of iTunes 10 isn't an indicator of future UI design. Guess we'll find out on Wednesday...

i'm sure it is...

LouieSamman
Oct 17, 2010, 11:10 AM
Aqua was nice when it came out but yes it's time for a sleek look.

But what look can we see instead of the blue scrollbar? Well I believe it will resemble the iPad scrollbar, which hides and when you scroll it reappears as a thin sleek grey/black bar moving up and down.

I never use the blue scrollbar to move up and down, nor the arrows. I use my magic mouse touch input to scroll up and down. Everyone seems to do so too.

So what I think will happen is they will save up pixels to the right by removing the scrollbar of.. say.. Safari.

Also the 3 buttons on top will probably be like iTunes 10. I like it because it makes the top window border smaller. Which is always a good thing.

lewis82
Oct 17, 2010, 11:47 AM
Also the 3 buttons on top will probably be like iTunes 10. I like it because it makes the top window border smaller. Which is always a good thing.

They won't. iTunes has never been an indicator of OS X design.

Moreover, iTunes only showed "iTunes" in the top bar. Other apps show stuff (For example, my Firefox window is showing "Mac Forums - Reply to Topic", and Finder windows show the folder name) which is important. They can not get rid of it like they did in iTunes.

Lastly, people have whined so much about this, I highly doubt they will use vertical buttons.

jamied95
Oct 17, 2010, 12:11 PM
I think we'll see a mix of iOS and iTunes UI changes, which is probably a fair bet ;)

bartonlynch
Oct 17, 2010, 12:34 PM
It always seems to work this way: I don't know that I wanted it, until apple comes out with it. But seriously, I have no ideas on what Lion could have. What do you all think?

lewis82
Oct 17, 2010, 01:12 PM
-Resolution independence would be a huge plus when working with displays of different dimensions.

-Get rid of the ugly blue scroll bars, make them nice. Or no more scroll bars, actually. Mice have scroll wheels, trackpads have two-finger gestures.

-Growl to be installed by default, and then make it an official API so that more developpers, including Apple, use it.

-Cut and paste in the Finder.

-Major UI revamp.

pineapple216
Oct 17, 2010, 01:21 PM
My wishlist:

- Better graphics drivers, and drivers updates, more often.
- an improved finder with tabs.
- More customization options.
- TRIM support for SSD's.
- Quicktime support and hardware acceleration for mkv.

Corndog5595
Oct 17, 2010, 01:24 PM
TRIM Support
Resolution Independence
Tabbed Finder
Make Growl A Built In App (Thanks For Reminding Me, Above Poster)
Use Saved Searches As Stacks
Refinded 'Needy Application' Handling
Make Menu Item API Public
A Better, More Advanced Automator (This Is An Amazingly Helpful Application; Make It Better)
"Rubber Band" Scrolling On The Desktop
Better Looking Scroll Bars
Natural Language Arguments/Parameters In Spotlight (e.g., Typing "Music" Anywhere In Your Search Instead Of "Kind:Music")

iThinkergoiMac
Oct 17, 2010, 01:29 PM
-Get rid of the ugly blue scroll bars, make them nice. Or no more scroll bars, actually. Mice have scroll wheels, trackpads have two-finger gestures.

Bad idea. For one thing, scroll bars give you an idea of how long the document is. Maybe disappearing scroll bars would be great. Not every mouse has a scroll wheel either (though 99% do).

lewis82
Oct 17, 2010, 01:34 PM
Bad idea. For one thing, scroll bars give you an idea of how long the document is. Maybe disappearing scroll bars would be great. Not every mouse has a scroll wheel either (though 99% do).

Something like iOS has would be great. And for those who do not have a scroll wheel, there could be an option to bring back the old scroll bars.

iThinkergoiMac
Oct 17, 2010, 01:44 PM
Also the 3 buttons on top will probably be like iTunes 10. I like it because it makes the top window border smaller. Which is always a good thing.

Three vertical buttons take up less space horizontally than three horizontal buttons?

In other words, which takes up less horizontal space:

+
+
+

or

+++

Which layout gives a thinner top bar?

MikhailT
Oct 17, 2010, 01:50 PM
Buy Alfred and build it into the OS
Much faster/thinner OS, Snow Leopard was the beginning. Hopefully more optimizations are in place for Lion, drop 32bit requirement and go 64bit from now on.
Revamp Finder again to use multiple threads for the network shares, so that UI is not “frozen” when the network share is slow to respond
Window snaps (w7 style, drag a window to the side to resize it)
Live Actions/Quick look for dock items
Overhaul of the entire GUI, no more aqua stuff, no blue scrollbar.
iOS based dashboard

LouieSamman
Oct 17, 2010, 01:51 PM
Three vertical buttons take up less space horizontally than three horizontal buttons?

In other words, which takes up less horizontal space:

+
+
+

or

+++

Which layout gives a thinner top bar?

It removes the top bar where there is usually the title.

Just look at the old iTunes and the new iTunes 10.

I understand by the look that the vertical buttons would take up more space but it goes along the border thickness and removes the title bar.

Hopefully you understand.

gregorsamsa
Oct 17, 2010, 02:01 PM
Just so we're clear, I don't mean the last Mac OS but the last version of 10 before they move on to something else. I mean, I don't see them using a different animal (that's not a cat) and then calling it 10.8. I think after lion, it'll be Mac OS 11 with what you said, something to do or integrate with iOS.
It may well be a mountain lion. In which case I'd call 10.7, Cougar. Cougar probably also sounds better than Lion & leaves that option for 10.8.

LouieSamman
Oct 17, 2010, 02:34 PM
It may well be a mountain lion. In which case I'd call 10.7, Cougar. Cougar probably also sounds better than Lion & leaves that option for 10.8.

Why go to 10.8. what would you name 10.9?

I think they are ending the OS X 10 and getting ready to head into 11 which I believe would be a touch responsive OS so because of that they want to name this new OS X 10.7 Lion showing that this is the end of OS X 10.

Merthyrboy
Oct 17, 2010, 02:54 PM
To be able to make toast of course.
Slightly more serious note we need it to be more snappy and everything just needs to look nice because then it's nice to use (usually anyway)

gregorsamsa
Oct 17, 2010, 03:02 PM
Why go to 10.8. what would you name 10.9?

I think they are ending the OS X 10 and getting ready to head into 11 which I believe would be a touch responsive OS so because of that they want to name this new OS X 10.7 Lion showing that this is the end of OS X 10.
The new cat code obviously looks like some kind of Lion. Does that really mean the last OS X, before 11? Maybe, but not necessarily.

I'm saying there are options still without getting to the King cat yet. You may be right, but I stick with Cougar for 10.7, maybe Liger for 10.8, leaving the top cat (Lion) for 10.9 & a fitting end to 0S X, before OS 11 & a whole new series of code names. We'll know soon enough. :)

Corndog5595
Oct 17, 2010, 03:08 PM
The new cat code obviously looks like some kind of Lion. Does that really mean the last OS X, before 11? Maybe, but not necessarily.

I'm saying there are options still without getting to the King cat yet. You may be right, but I stick with Cougar for 10.7, maybe Liger for 10.8, leaving the top cat (Lion) for 10.9 & a fitting end to 0S X, before OS 11 & a whole new series of code names. We'll know soon enough. :)

Tigers are the largest cats, but that's already taken. And "some kind of lion" isn't really accurate. A Mountain Lion is the same exact animal as Cougar, Panther, and Puma.

And OS XI will obviously be named after dog species /mhm.
OS XI Black Lab

lol

wordoflife
Oct 17, 2010, 03:34 PM
OSX 10.8 is confirmed to be Kitty. OSX 10.9 is confirmed to be Domestic house cat. Trust me on this guise.

More like Hau5 cat

eah2119
Oct 17, 2010, 05:02 PM
How about more functionality with safari tabs? You might have 5, 6, 7 tabs and the name might be too long to read or it would take a while to choose which one you want with so many. Maybe Apple could introduce an expose for the tabs right inside the safari window.

Also, scrollable fan stacks and make the grid icons in stacks smaller. I have a 13' macbook pro and the grid stacks take up nearly half the screen. It's insane!

Other than that, Mac OS X is just fine for me. I guess they'll surprise me on Wednesday.

gnasher729
Oct 17, 2010, 05:20 PM
In my opinion and also some Apple experts Snow Leopard was similar mistake product like Microsoft Vista was.

Citation, please. Which "Apple experts" have been complaining about Snow Leopard?


I'm saying there are options still without getting to the King cat yet. You may be right, but I stick with Cougar for 10.7, maybe Liger for 10.8, leaving the top cat (Lion) for 10.9 & a fitting end to 0S X, before OS 11 & a whole new series of code names. We'll know soon enough. :)

On the contrary, the version after MacOS X 10.9 will be MacOS X 10.10, followed by MacOS X 10.11 and MacOS X 10.12.

Corndog5595
Oct 17, 2010, 05:30 PM
Citation, please. Which "Apple experts" have been complaining about Snow Leopard?.

The ones that can only afford Windows PCs

David085
Oct 17, 2010, 06:08 PM
would like to see blu ray playback 1080p

baddj
Oct 17, 2010, 06:27 PM
* TRIM support
* resolution independence
* tabbed finder
* make growl a built in app
* true NTFS support
* go full 64bit
* better screen color management.
* DivX support
* better way to uninstall software as dragging to the trash does not remove the whole file.

reubs
Oct 17, 2010, 09:39 PM
I'm hoping for full and official open meta support. Spotlight Comments just aren't ideal, and the apps I've used that support open meta are great.

Xavier
Oct 17, 2010, 10:53 PM
It's been my only request since Apple said they would implement it and didn't come through

Resolution Independence

ivoruest
Oct 17, 2010, 11:31 PM
I've also posted this on other threads, but I'd really like a black interface such as that in Quicktime X. For me it looks pretty good. Or even better, customizable UI for everyone.

Better graphics and gaming performance to lure developers to make more games for the mac.

Faster and better updates.

Better design of dock for space and ease of use.

Better Safari.

Redesign of iTunes icon (I think is terrible).

OpenCL and OpenGL improvements.

New iLife.

Better Graphics performance.

Cool desktop themes/wallpapers.

3D desktop interface.

And some new thrilling features.

TuffLuffJimmy
Oct 17, 2010, 11:53 PM
New wallpapers.

FrancoisC
Oct 18, 2010, 12:29 AM
Buy Alfred and build it into the OS
Much faster/thinner OS, Snow Leopard was the beginning. Hopefully more optimizations are in place for Lion, drop 32bit requirement and go 64bit from now on.
Revamp Finder again to use multiple threads for the network shares, so that UI is not “frozen” when the network share is slow to respond
Window snaps (w7 style, drag a window to the side to resize it)
Live Actions/Quick look for dock items
Overhaul of the entire GUI, no more aqua stuff, no blue scrollbar.
iOS based dashboard


If you like Windows snaps, you should try hyperdock:

http://hyperdock.bahoom.de/

MasterTick
Oct 18, 2010, 12:39 AM
A volume mixer like in Windows. Really the only feature I miss from Win7

DisMyMac
Oct 18, 2010, 06:25 AM
A new container format just for Mac.

d4v3
Oct 18, 2010, 06:28 AM
i'd love to see a lot of what you guys have been talking about, but for me my biggest day to day gripe of Snow Leopard is not being able to right click a file/folder in a stack and get a context menu appear, therefore making it impossible to find a file in a stack and copy/paste it somewhere else!

DrummerB
Oct 18, 2010, 06:42 AM
Something like iOS has would be great. And for those who do not have a scroll wheel, there could be an option to bring back the old scroll bars.

The OS could detect if the mouse has a scroll wheel and hide the blue scroll bars if it does (replace them with something like the scroll indicator in iOS).

roadbloc
Oct 18, 2010, 06:48 AM
Latest OpenGL support
Vertical traffic lights (like in iTunes 10)
Blu-Ray support
Old (or better) Expose
Same system requirements as Snow Leopard (or lower)
Some cool/useful stuff

Jelite
Oct 18, 2010, 07:33 AM
Quicklook to work in stacks.

spinnerlys
Oct 18, 2010, 07:38 AM
i'd love to see a lot of what you guys have been talking about, but for me my biggest day to day gripe of Snow Leopard is not being able to right click a file/folder in a stack and get a context menu appear, therefore making it impossible to find a file in a stack and copy/paste it somewhere else!

If you have a STACK open, hold down the Command key and click on the file to open the appropriate Finder window.
It's a workaround, but maybe enough?

mrblack927
Oct 18, 2010, 08:43 AM
All I want is better Mobile Me services and integration. For a service I pay for, it's pretty pathetic. Maybe (like another poster suggested) something like outlook where Mail/Calendar/Contacts are incorporated into one app. iDisk should be more "seamless" (like dropbox). Find My iPhone should have a desktop app. And finally, perhaps most importantly, Back to my Mac should be much more powerful. Namely, it should have a windows counterpart. How many people need to connect back to their mac from another mac? Most offices/cybercafes/universities/hotels use PCs. Almost every situation I can imagine where I would have to access my mac remotely in a pinch involves me connecting from a PC. I don't want to install VNC software or something else, I may not have admin access on that PC. I want to be able to access it from the web, from me.com. LogMeIn has an excellent implementation of this, there's no reason Apple can't do the same. Not only could they allow remote control access, but remote filesystem browsing as well. I think this would be a huge plus in an increasingly wireless world. It's like cloud computing but using your home computer instead of a server. I don't want to pay for 500+ GB of cloud storage when my mac at home is a perfectly viable fileserver. Apple... make this happen, it would be a killer feature for MM.

MikhailT
Oct 18, 2010, 09:52 AM
If you like Windows snaps, you should try hyperdock:

http://hyperdock.bahoom.de/

Thanks for sharing the info. I already use the Windows snap as part of the BetterTouchTool. The only thing I like about Hyperdock is the Dock’s Quick look features, Apple should build it in.

I don’t even care if it is stealing Microsoft’s design, MS has won that round. I may be wrong and it came first from a Linux OS, but the fact is MS is the first to bring it to the mass market.

@Apple, start your copiers and bring those over to Mac OS X.

MCIowaRulz
Oct 18, 2010, 10:15 AM
I'm surprised no one mentioned this a feature that the crap vista had, A feature that Mac OS X 10.7 needs is good speech recognition that can type what I say into any apple application as right now, Mac Speech while it has potential I don't like it compared to the Windows version.
And a final thought Do any of you think there will be a QT event live?
If so, I want it to work with my XP box as it if from 2006 and runs pretty well compared to my G4 Mac from 2001 :apple: Quicksilver 867 Mhz

lewis82
Oct 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
I'm surprised no one mentioned this a feature that the crap vista had, A feature that Mac OS X 10.7 needs is good speech recognition that can type what I say into any apple application as right now, Mac Speech while it has potential I don't like it compared to the Windows version.
And a final thought Do any of you think there will be a QT event live?
If so, I want it to work with my XP box as it if from 2006 and runs pretty well compared to my G4 Mac from 2001 :apple: Quicksilver 867 Mhz

It won't, it uses a technology only Safari has implemented. I see you have an iPod touch, it's going to work with it.

dagg5040
Oct 18, 2010, 12:41 PM
Fast OS switching so I don't have to reboot every time I come out of bootcamp.

That would be wonderful but you think it will happen... I hate those VMWARE and other crap software I am a software programming Management student and it would be nice to be able to switch from OS X to 7 faster...

C. Alan
Oct 18, 2010, 01:30 PM
There is still lots of room for improvement in finder...

-Ryan-
Oct 18, 2010, 01:38 PM
Two requests from me and I'll be completely happy with OS X;

Resolution Independence.

Cut and Paste in Finder.

Corbin052198
Oct 18, 2010, 01:41 PM
1. No annoying "The Finder cannot be opened" errors after Finder quits.
2. Runs on my iBook G3 :D

cambookpro
Oct 18, 2010, 02:11 PM
Two requests from me and I'll be completely happy with OS X;

Resolution Independence.

Cut and Paste in Finder.

What do you mean by cut and paste in finder?
Cut and paste files? It can already do that?

petvas
Oct 18, 2010, 02:47 PM
I would like to see the following:

Better Finder. A split view would be nice.
Better Mail, iCal and Addressbook apps. I would like to see more features, especially in iCal and Mail.
An improved GUI. Better way to organize apps.
A virtualization technology built in.
Blu-ray support.
A system wide app uninstaller.
Better Exchange support.
Tighter integration with MobileMe

talmy
Oct 18, 2010, 02:51 PM
What do you mean by cut and paste in finder?
Cut and paste files? It can already do that?

No it can't. Plenty of threads about this arguing -- former Windows users fret about missing cut and paste while Mac old-timers point out that it isn't necessary. The debate never ends!

TuffLuffJimmy
Oct 18, 2010, 04:08 PM
What do you mean by cut and paste in finder?
Cut and paste files? It can already do that?

First: don't end a statement with a question mark. Second: where have you been?

petvas
Oct 18, 2010, 04:23 PM
First: don't end a statement with a question mark. Second: where have you been?

I also agree that cut and paste should find its way to the Finder. In the meantime I use Path Finder who does that and more...

ivoruest
Oct 18, 2010, 04:37 PM
I think Light Peak support or something that has to do with that will be uveiled tomorrow. If I´m not wrong they both will come out by the same time. And as some of you might know, Apple has been great supporter of this new technology. I hope this is the new revolutionary technology Apple is hiring new people for.

If this is true, they would go ONE BIG STEP FURTHER! :apple:

Wild-Bill
Oct 18, 2010, 05:04 PM
Zfs

spinnerlys
Oct 18, 2010, 05:29 PM
Zfs


Apple abandons ZFS on Mac OS X project over licensing issues (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/apple-abandons-zfs-on-mac-os-x-project-over-licensing-issues.ars)

Pedromperez
Oct 18, 2010, 05:53 PM
The OS could detect if the mouse has a scroll wheel and hide the blue scroll bars if it does (replace them with something like the scroll indicator in iOS).

Also fix the progress bars to other style, the aqua thing is old.

LouieSamman
Oct 18, 2010, 06:52 PM
Also fix the progress bars to other style, the aqua thing is old.

Yeah aqua is old now. Still nice looking but been there for awhile.

Apple needs to refresh the look of OS X with something new.

Well just 2 more days left and we'll know!

reubs
Oct 18, 2010, 07:14 PM
Macstories posts some "exclusive" info. Not sure how exclusive it is, and it's nothing really feature-related. It seems to be more UI stuff.

http://bit.ly/aaOGVT

Corndog5595
Oct 18, 2010, 08:14 PM
It would be cool if certain default apps (Finder, Disk Utility, Dock, etc.) had "Expert" modes that you could enable to allow more advanced controls.

cambookpro
Oct 19, 2010, 09:54 AM
No it can't. Plenty of threads about this arguing -- former Windows users fret about missing cut and paste while Mac old-timers point out that it isn't necessary. The debate never ends!

Do you mean go into Finder - let's say I go to Documents - select the file, then cmd-C to copy the file and cmd-V to paste it into another folder? Because it works on my MBP. Cmd-X doesn't work to cut it, but copy and paste still does.

MCIowaRulz
Oct 19, 2010, 09:59 AM
Speech Recognition Anyone?
I want to talk to my computer
ala ala Dictate for Mac which needs work I want an Apple Version!

Kilamite
Oct 19, 2010, 11:11 AM
Speech Recognition Anyone?
I want to talk to my computer
ala ala Dictate for Mac which needs work I want an Apple Version!

I want more jokes. When I ask it to tell me a joke, they are always lame..

tarjep
Oct 19, 2010, 11:32 AM
Right now I need to move 400GB from one directory to another on my harddrive, and its gonna take 1-2 hour copying and deleting folders, but it would've taken 10 seconds with a cut command.

Things like this makes me mad! :mad:

Please Apple! Do something about this!

roadbloc
Oct 19, 2010, 11:34 AM
Right now I need to move 400GB from one directory to another on my harddrive, and its gonna take 1-2 hour copying and deleting folders, but it would've taken 10 seconds with a cut command.

Things like this makes me mad! :mad:

Please Apple! Do something about this!

Just drag and drop the files from one finder window to another. It aint hard.

lewis82
Oct 19, 2010, 12:31 PM
Just drag and drop the files from one finder window to another. It aint hard.

It's true, but you have to agree to the fact that cut and paste would be both easy to implement and very useful.

EDIT: just to make sure everyone understands my point of view... I'm not an ex Windows user complaining. The first computer my parents bought 10 years ago was a Mac. I've always used them, and love them, but I don't see why cut and paste is left out.

roadbloc
Oct 19, 2010, 12:40 PM
It's true, but you have to agree to the fact that cut and paste would be both easy to implement and very useful.

Well, there is no reason why they shouldn't have it.

djrod
Oct 19, 2010, 04:11 PM
.

Cut and Paste in Finder.

drag and drop while pressing cmd...

djrod
Oct 19, 2010, 04:15 PM
Right now I need to move 400GB from one directory to another on my harddrive, and its gonna take 1-2 hour copying and deleting folders, but it would've taken 10 seconds with a cut command.

Things like this makes me mad! :mad:

Please Apple! Do something about this!

Seriously, nobody knew how to cut and paste in Mac os? :confused:

Edit: You can install this to cut and paste using the keyboard :

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=ES#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=YP4KpmCZ558

DeeGee48
Oct 19, 2010, 07:56 PM
Hello All,

Just sent this letter to a friend; thought I'd share it with you as well.

DeeGee 48
_________

JonBil,

It is thought that tomorrow's OS X Lion preview might include a 'revolutionary new feature' Apple themselves said they were working on a year ago, when they advertised for a software engineer to work on the project. What could it be? There are hints of iOS interface elements and scrolling behaviors making their way into this release, and maybe an iOS layer that pops up a' la Dashboard. Resolution independence is also mentioned. But these things hardly seem 'revolutionary'. So what could it be?

We'll find out tomorrow I guess, but I had a neat thought today of a revolutionary feature---to say the least!---AND the means to accomplish it. How about ..... that neat AVATAR data grab trick? As I thought about this I thought, "That's impossible". Then, almost as quickly I realized "No it isn't either!". Here's how Apple could do it.

In the movie, the 'screens' were holographic. Hollow. Just air. That's the element we don't have right now; the thing that makes it seem impossible. But we CAN do it with the screen technology we DO have: touchscreens. Imagine two Bluetooth-equipped devices. A Mac and an iPad. Or two iPads (or Macs, or iPhones, etc). You walk in here with your iPad while I'm typing this e-mail. I say, "What'er ya doin'?" You reply, "Watching the new Harryhausen trailer for "The 8th Voyage of Sinbad". Oooooh, Bose! Naturally, I want to see it NOW! It's almost done running on your iPad, but...

With a flick of the back of your hand, or a five-finger swipe off the bezel you "push" the trailer over to my Mac via Bluetooth. That particular gesture does it, just as other gestures do other particular things. Instantaneously it:

1) throws a 'screen shot' via Bluetooth to my Mac which completely covers my e-mail;
2) launches Quicktime, which is the program you are using to view it;
3) instantaneously downloads the four-minute trailer from your iPad in a split-second (like Quicktime Pro does now with Jobs' 2-hour presentations);
4) and then replaces the static 'screen shot' by playing the trailer from the beginning!

In this way, the 'revolutionary new feature'---'Cameron Acquisition'---could be up and running! With faster chips, and the new, speedier OS X, the whole above proceedure could be initiated/completed in say, 4 or 5 seconds! And, it works equally well with anything: Pages, PowerPoint, Quickbooks, whatever. Well, whata ya think? Should I send this to His Steveness, or are they already on it???

DeeGee :-)

Sent From My Power Mac G-4
(G4 'Digital Audio', 2001)

Get A Mac!
A HAPPY MEMBER OF THE APPLE UNIVERSE SINCE 1984 :-)

lewis82
Oct 19, 2010, 08:02 PM
How does the system decide to which IP adress it should send the image/link/whatever?

It would require the first user to input an email adress/identifier, and then, for security reasons, the second user to accept the input.

It would be extremely cool, though :)

DeeGee48
Oct 19, 2010, 08:09 PM
How does the system decide to which IP adress it should send the image/link/whatever?

It would require the first user to input an email adress/identifier, and then, for security reasons, the second user to accept the input.

It would be extremely cool, though :)

I was just thinking that it would send the data to whatever other Bluetooth device was 'on' in it's immediate vicinity, say a 10 foot radius or something. I'm sure they could figure out a way to do that easily enough! In the movie remember, the guy is just walking by a large holographic monitor and 'grabs' the data for his tablet! Close range only!

benspratling
Oct 20, 2010, 12:16 AM
• Time Machine update that understands when I change the drive from being plugged in to my G5 tower to being plugged directly in to my Airport Extreme that it's the same darn backup and won't make me delete it and start over from scratch, wasting days & potentially loosing my data...
• additional columns in the Finder Find feature. like "Size" for one - I need "Size"
• be able to reassign the Fn buttons so I can use the app-only version of exposé, which makes way more sense when combined with command-tab.
• Resolution Independence - It's about time that I pick 100% on my document size and I get an 8.5"x11" image on my screen.
• Cut & Paste files in Finder. There are some times when Drag & Drop randomly does not work or is cumbersome.
• Blue-ray. Come on! Windows users laugh at me!
• Plug-ins for Keynote.
• Get away from these giant long title bars that just eat up screen space. Like in XCode documentation, where the combined bars take up 20% of my vertical screen space with gray and blue gradients
• Ability to place application menu bars on separate monitors - 'cause when your menu bar is on the 13" inch screen, it takes a little while to get the mouse in the invisible "ok" zone from the giant external monitor.
• Automator actions that are actually useful for the Apple apps. like Keynote's smart builds
• Popovers, like in iOS for file info & quicklook
• Face Time for iChat (this is the free square in Steve-bingo)
• a trackpad that works with clicks at the top in addition to the bottom - my friends don't understand you can't click near the top of the trackpad, and have just about broken it.
• developer features like design pattern analysis instead of just memory analysis. Tools to help me migrate code between languages. I need to write C++ code for work, but it's way easier to write Objective-C and then port it over, but it's tedious.
• Objective-C 3.0 unicode method/variable names, operators, & make new operators Start moving away from manual variable layout, #compiler directives & text-based coding
• Fix the bugs in the disclosure triangles in Xcode so they actually work
• light-whatever-- that intel cable that's way fast that's gonna replace all our usb's.
• Wifi sd cards hmmm... I can dream can't I? wait... those exist somewhere...
• touchable Mac screens - sometimes I just want to click that button and I don't want to reach for my mouse and try to find the cursor on the screen so I can move it in place.
• a mode where Google maps isn't the most painful experience ever with my Magic Mouse. Oh, I guess that's a google thing...

And my guess for Mac OS XI names? Greek heros.

BigQid
Oct 25, 2010, 04:53 PM
Blu-ray playback

Apple's computer is pretty expensive to not to play blu-ray.

hobbbz
Oct 26, 2010, 11:39 AM
Speech Recognition Anyone?
I want to talk to my computer
ala ala Dictate for Mac which needs work I want an Apple Version!

Your Mac has done this for at least 5 years.

Check Speech in Sys Prefs

hobbbz
Oct 26, 2010, 11:42 AM
Also, I'll just leave this here:

Sky Blue
Oct 26, 2010, 03:36 PM
hilarious :rolleyes:

lewis82
Oct 26, 2010, 05:42 PM
Also, I'll just leave this here:

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/24183/original/500pxShopped.jpg

:p

mrsir2009
Oct 26, 2010, 11:22 PM
Speech Recognition Anyone?
I want to talk to my computer
ala ala Dictate for Mac which needs work I want an Apple Version!

Nah, today's voice rec software sucks. Sure, its a fun gimmick (for a while) But its way less economical than using the mouse and keyboard.

kernkraft
Oct 26, 2010, 11:25 PM
I just wish that they called it Cougar for the fun factor and that it was a lot like Tiger.

mrsir2009
Oct 26, 2010, 11:30 PM
It would be cool if certain default apps (Finder, Disk Utility, Dock, etc.) had "Expert" modes that you could enable to allow more advanced controls.

Such as?

BigQid
Oct 27, 2010, 08:39 PM
They should try to put much better speech to text. It works great on the Google phones. Dragon dictation isn't as good on the iphone. It might get much better if Apple was working on it and building into OS X 10.7

lewis82
Oct 27, 2010, 08:55 PM
Such as?

Show hidden files, maybe?

o'glory
Nov 5, 2010, 07:15 PM
Haha, definitely a cheap price! I would like it if on the bottom of the folder where it states how many GB you have left and so on, if you can see how large the file is. So when you're browsing your video files for examples in a folder, and you select a movie... on the bottom of the folder.. it should say the file size or something. I believe this is a feature in Windows. I don't think it's a lot to ask for.

jezza70
Nov 6, 2010, 07:39 AM
update DVD player and front row interface only small things i know but would be nice

UncleMac
Nov 6, 2010, 09:21 AM
Threaded email in Mail.

stanfordb
Nov 7, 2010, 03:28 AM
My No1:

"Feature" to display and sort by FILESIZE while searching in list view.... this is Kindergarten right now.

Mal
Nov 7, 2010, 07:43 AM
My No1:

"Feature" to display and sort by FILESIZE while searching in list view.... this is Kindergarten right now.

:confused:

I can do this now. I could do this back in 1999. What's the problem?

jW

brijazz
Nov 7, 2010, 07:45 AM
:confused:

I can do this now. I could do this back in 1999. What's the problem?

jW

You can browse by filesize, but you can't filter search results by filesize, which is the feature that's being wished for.

Mal
Nov 7, 2010, 12:05 PM
You can browse by filesize, but you can't filter search results by filesize, which is the feature that's being wished for.

Hmm, never noticed that. Carry on!

jW

mattpreston11
Nov 8, 2010, 06:50 AM
Not sure if its been mentioned, But I would love to be able to control my iphone with my mac. Send texts through iTunes or something like that. Would be so much more convenient.

cmChimera
Nov 16, 2010, 10:57 AM
drag and drop while pressing cmd...

I actually never knew this.....But either way, keyboard shortcut for cut and paste would be much easier and quicker. I'm not a big fan of managing files in finder actually.

Tears Apart
Nov 19, 2010, 07:21 AM
i actually like the base 10 "nonsense". What it says on the computer is what it says on my harddrive's specs.

+1

Sky Blue
Nov 22, 2010, 10:11 AM
Threaded email in Mail.

Isn't this in Mail already?

OdduWon
Nov 23, 2010, 05:34 PM
--If it has not been said before then now will be the first, I believe Apple will add multiple "screens" to the dashboard, like the iPhone, and add Apps to the dashboard.--
This is the most obvious, but also the most useful of the expected iOS integration. I would go as far to say that the Dashboard was research project for the iOS and App interface and developer base. Maybe we will also get a new Frontrow setup that will unite the AppleTV, Mac and iPod/iphone media experience. Wireless monitor access would be sweet, since apple has already started making iSight a standard in their monitors, It would be cool if they pioneered this wire free monitor connection technology ;)

What do you all think?



MBP 2.5 Penryn... the last MBP with a trackpad button.

TuffLuffJimmy
Nov 23, 2010, 07:32 PM
--If it has not been said before then now will be the first, I believe Apple will add multiple "screens" to the dashboard, like the iPhone, and add Apps to the dashboard.--
This is the most obvious, but also the most useful of the expected iOS integration. I would go as far to say that the Dashboard was research project for the iOS and App interface and developer base. Maybe we will also get a new Frontrow setup that will unite the AppleTV, Mac and iPod/iphone media experience. Wireless monitor access would be sweet, since apple has already started making iSight a standard in their monitors, It would be cool if they pioneered this wire free monitor connection technology ;)

What do you all think?



MBP 2.5 Penryn... the last MBP with a trackpad button.

I think you don't know what you're talking about. Dashboard already has "apps" they're called widgets.

OdduWon
Nov 23, 2010, 07:44 PM
I think you don't know what you're talking about. Dashboard already has "apps" they're called widgets.

As far as I know the widgets available for download are not that same as the App store"apps". Do they have a NES emulating widget? I am aware that they are similar, but would argue that you are the one who doesn't know what their talking about. I am talking about the future of OSx with iOS integration and the use of the dashboard as a research tool. You are debating the fact that a widget is an "application", it is, Duh. my point is that they operate differently and will soon be aligned in the next OSx through the Dashboard.

Gadgets are not widgets and widgets are not Apps. Anyone else agree?

TuffLuffJimmy
Nov 23, 2010, 08:40 PM
As far as I know the widgets available for download are not that same as the App store"apps". Do they have a NES emulating widget? I am aware that they are similar, but would argue that you are the one who doesn't know what their talking about. I am talking about the future of OSx with iOS integration and the use of the dashboard as a research tool. You are debating the fact that a widget is an "application", it is, Duh. my point is that they operate differently and will soon be aligned in the next OSx through the Dashboard.

Gadgets are not widgets and widgets are not Apps. Anyone else agree?

Why would you want full scale applications living in the dashboard when we already have them in the rest of the OS? There's no point. Small single purpose tools belong in the dashboard, the rest can run from the dock.

OdduWon
Nov 24, 2010, 01:32 AM
Why would you want full scale applications living in the dashboard when we already have them in the rest of the OS? There's no point. Small single purpose tools belong in the dashboard, the rest can run from the dock.
You clearly have missed my point if you think I am talking about "full scale applications" living in the dashboard, but don't rule that out yet - there is an iTunes widget after all. I think a lot of apps for the iPhone are in fact "small single purpose tools" so I don't get why your so confused about the difference between Applications, Apps, and widgets.

ALL I am saying is it is likely that we will see integration of the app store and the dashboard in Lion as well as the utilization of the dashboard environment to introduce iOS features like "Apps"(Widgets +1 and multiple "Home Screens".

dry egg
Nov 26, 2010, 08:01 PM
i agree with them all ;)
http://www.geeksww.com

csjo00
Nov 29, 2010, 02:35 PM
Is facial recognition via the iSight camera too much to ask for? (Sorry if it has been mentioned before, I cba to read through 8 pages.)

Mal
Nov 29, 2010, 04:41 PM
Is facial recognition via the iSight camera too much to ask for? (Sorry if it has been mentioned before, I cba to read through 8 pages.)

Are you looking for this for security purposes? If so, it's not nearly secure enough (as a photograph of you could produce the same recognition as you yourself would). If not, I'm not entirely certain what the purpose would be.

jW

iPhoneCollector
Nov 30, 2010, 08:20 AM
A $29 price tag. :D

so true thats also my only hope and of course the awesome features like the new exposé

gianpan
Dec 2, 2010, 06:21 AM
I want full screen apps (they said it's coming), apps with quicktime X style, that means no borders etc. which will only appear when you need them (I feel like this will come too :D), multiple desktops (I can't really use Spaces, I want to have some apps on all my "spaces" and to be able to carry them around on the spot), improved finder with tabs, cut and ability to show unicode characters, ability to merge pdfs with preview.
And most important to continue what they started with Snow Leopard, meaning optimizations and performance improvements.

talmy
Dec 2, 2010, 09:22 AM
multiple desktops (I can't really use Spaces, I want to have some apps on all my "spaces" and to be able to carry them around on the spot), ability to merge pdfs with preview.

While not particularly convenient, you can have selected apps appear in all spaces with a setting in the Spaces Preference Pane.

Preview can merge PDFs. But, again, it isn't obvious.

When Spaces was first announced I had hoped it would be something like IBM's OS/2 introduced in the early 1990's -- real project oriented "desktops". You click on one and it opened to fill the screen with apps and windows all open on the files being used in the project. A fantastic feature I have never seen anywhere else since. I was disappointed to discover it was just a window switcher with no other organizational powers.

sheepopo39
Dec 2, 2010, 05:13 PM
An option to switch the dock from 3d to 2d without having to use terminal. I never really liked the 3d dock.

Glumpfner
Dec 3, 2010, 02:01 AM
Get rid of the base 10 nonsense. I'm sorry Steve, but 1000KB≠1MB.

Lol! Fail!
I'm sorry rprebel, but 1000KB==1MB!

Apple is the one that gets it right here, Microsoft still uses the prehistoric binary converter.

A Kilo was always a 1000, and a Mega was always a Million, no matter what units you use, if watt, bytes or Bananas.

1000MB = 1GB
or
1024MB = 1GiB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte

There is huge pressure from many government authorities on Microsoft to stop using the binary interpretation in their file managers and start using the correct calculations, like Apple did with snow leopard.

freekyzee
Dec 22, 2010, 12:15 PM
Blu-Ray,

HDMI out put,

Super Audio CDplayback,

Full 1080p,

improved proceesers-hard drive-RAM,

Interchangable Desktop pages,

Set priority on Applications in activity monitor/
Better website loading (on ALL my macs I have had problems loading web, this is partly because flash uses so much CPU hence why there not in iPhones).

Better connections to Wi-fi (For some reason my mac loses connection regularly when connected to a Wi-fi wether at home or in a cafe).

APP Uninstall,

THATS WHAT APPLE SHOULD REALLY BE ADDING IM TIRED OF TIRED OF THE GIMMICKS.

NintendoFan
Dec 22, 2010, 12:37 PM
improved proceesers-hard drive-RAM,.

Not exactly something Lion can fix.......

freekyzee
Dec 22, 2010, 03:19 PM
Not exactly something Lion can fix.......

If you wanna put it that way, half the stuff talked about in this section is something that Lion will NOT fix.

talmy
Dec 22, 2010, 03:31 PM
THATS WHAT APPLE SHOULD REALLY BE ADDING IM TIRED OF TIRED OF THE GIMMICKS.

Virtually everything you list is a hardware, not operating system, concerns, and some might be considered to be hardware gimmicks. Certainly Steve Jobs doesn't think much of Blu-Ray!

The operating system allows an application to lower it's priority, so it is up the the application to do so. Raising one's priority is risky because it could end up locking up the system.

Get "Click to Flash" to speed up the Safari browser by blocking Flash.

apelpapa
Dec 23, 2010, 03:51 AM
Merging folders instead of replacing is most definitely needed

jtcedinburgh
Dec 23, 2010, 05:29 AM
Ditch the Finder for something a bit more like PathFinder. Although I'm not wishing Apple to put that guy out of business of course...

My personal biggest OSX Finder gripe is the lame way it handles network resources. I want to be able to map a network drive easily without fiddling with startup options. I also don't want any network wobbles to cause the Finder to hang/crash. This has happened on every Mac I've had since switching in 2005...

Otherwise, yeah, resolution independence would be nice (contrary to many others' views, I'd like to make some fonts SMALLER so as to maximise what I can fit on my screens, especially when I'm working on the low-res MBP).

Can't think of anything else I'd like. It's largely fine, apart from the f**kin' Finder...

talmy
Dec 23, 2010, 06:05 PM
My personal biggest OSX Finder gripe is the lame way it handles network resources. I want to be able to map a network drive easily without fiddling with startup options. I also don't want any network wobbles to cause the Finder to hang/crash. This has happened on every Mac I've had since switching in 2005...

Hangs are inevitable because network access attempts basically have to time out. Perhaps if it were multithreaded the problem could be avoided.

I'm not sure what problem you are seeing with mapping a network drive. It's much easier than Windows (at least XP which I use) or, by far, Linux. I just navigate to the folder I want to map and create an alias (command-option drag the folder). At any time in the future, double-clicking on the alias or drilling down through it in an file open dialog (for instance) will automatically mount it.

jtcedinburgh
Dec 24, 2010, 04:56 AM
Hangs are inevitable because network access attempts basically have to time out. Perhaps if it were multithreaded the problem could be avoided.

I'm not sure what problem you are seeing with mapping a network drive. It's much easier than Windows (at least XP which I use) or, by far, Linux. I just navigate to the folder I want to map and create an alias (command-option drag the folder). At any time in the future, double-clicking on the alias or drilling down through it in an file open dialog (for instance) will automatically mount it.

Hi Talmy - are you the same Talmy from MacOSG btw? I joined here only recently after I realised that the MacOSG forums are all but dead these days - pity.

Anyway, I agree - multithreading would help, but quite aside from that I've found problems working properly with shares on a QNap TS-119Pro drive. From time to time accessing the drive (either via WiFi or via ethernet) simply causes the Finder to hang. This is with either of SMB or AFP or both enabled.

It's a pity but I am sure it's a Finder flaw as I have had a similar situation occur when working with SMB shares on a Windows 2008 R2 server in my office.

FWIW, however, the same single-threading problem seems to affect PathFinder also (great app in all other respects). Perhaps they could make the UI on a different thread to the network connection, and allow the UI thread to kill that errant thread if required.... just a thought. I think the problem may be buried deeper in OSX, though, as I've found that if a network hangs the Finder, it'll also hang PathFinder. Not certain if it works the other way around however...

talmy
Dec 24, 2010, 03:43 PM
Hi Talmy - are you the same Talmy from MacOSG btw? I joined here only recently after I realised that the MacOSG forums are all but dead these days - pity.

Yes. I still go there, but there isn't enough volume to keep it interesting.

Anyway, I agree - multithreading would help, but quite aside from that I've found problems working properly with shares on a QNap TS-119Pro drive. From time to time accessing the drive (either via WiFi or via ethernet) simply causes the Finder to hang. This is with either of SMB or AFP or both enabled.

It's a pity but I am sure it's a Finder flaw as I have had a similar situation occur when working with SMB shares on a Windows 2008 R2 server in my office.

Yep, windows does it too. If each Finder window ran on a separate thread then a network problem would only freeze that one window. The problem with network access is that it can actually be very slow.

MattInOz
Dec 25, 2010, 05:22 PM
Yes. I still go there, but there isn't enough volume to keep it interesting.



Yep, windows does it too. If each Finder window ran on a separate thread then a network problem would only freeze that one window. The problem with network access is that it can actually be very slow.

That's a big part of the problem the other part of is file size somethings just need big files. Those tend to be stuff your doing in groups so really effected by network issues. Multi threading isn't going to be a big help there. Well not unless they introduce tricks to sync big files without writing out the whole each time. That would help with a lot issues.

celticpride678
Dec 25, 2010, 09:36 PM
Play-and-pause buttons for audio in the menu bar. It would be nice if it's system wide, too.

Mac Hammer Fan
Dec 27, 2010, 04:15 PM
Better nVidia and ATI Radeon drivers: faster!

baddj
Jan 6, 2011, 11:21 PM
Better nVidia and ATI Radeon drivers: faster!

Tell me about it. my nVidia card hates rendering the RGB color rgb(249, 249, 249) but windows in bootcamp using its drivers can.

Yaboze
Jan 7, 2011, 02:16 PM
Merging folders instead of replacing is most definitely needed

OMG, yes.

talmy
Jan 7, 2011, 02:28 PM
OMG, yes.

Learn to use the command line and the tar program. It will merge just fine.

lewis82
Jan 8, 2011, 01:54 PM
Learn to use the command line and the tar program. It will merge just fine.

Not practical for most users. Very few people are able to use the Terminal by themselves.

MattInOz
Jan 9, 2011, 11:53 PM
Not practical for most users. Very few people are able to use the Terminal by themselves.

Sounds like a job for 99c app man...

talmy
Jan 10, 2011, 10:55 AM
Sounds like a job for 99c app man...

And one that would be easy to write since on the "business" end it just needs to call system("tar...

Maybe someone will make a free app that does it just to put an end to this discussion. :-)

MattInOz
Jan 11, 2011, 06:50 PM
And one that would be easy to write since on the "business" end it just needs to call system("tar...

Maybe someone will make a free app that does it just to put an end to this discussion. :-)

Hopefully they will do a better job on the interface than Apple did with the one they included with Developer Tools. To bad that one is a PITA to use otherwise I'd say Apple should just release it on the Store.

Wild-Bill
Jan 11, 2011, 07:09 PM
Better nVidia and ATI Radeon drivers: faster!

What he said ^

Plus, the ability to fully customize Spaces under multiple monitor conditions.

Jasoco
Jan 12, 2011, 12:44 AM
Interchangable Desktop pages
What is this of which you speak?

Leslie.Hon
Jan 13, 2011, 10:37 PM
1.Can disable some monitor signal when connect 2 or more monitor
For Example, if I have 3 monitors
I can use 3 , 2 or 1 monitor only at a time

2. Add one more mode of Remote Desktop work like a Windows
Can set the resolution in the remote client
Then force logout from server side
Can login from different client , user at the same time

3. Finder can get more file information in detail mode

4. Wake On Lan when the computer is shutdown

MCMarshall
Jan 14, 2011, 10:03 AM
1. Resolution Independence.

2. RIGHT CLICK OPTION IN FINDER TO CREATE A NEW FILE! Which is simply the most annoying part of OSX in my own opinion.

3. Transparency control for menu bar (slider not just option).

4. New default dock background image.

Mal
Jan 14, 2011, 10:37 AM
1. Resolution Independence.

Been planned for years, I'll be impressed if it actually shows up now.

2. RIGHT CLICK OPTION IN FINDER TO CREATE A NEW FILE! Which is simply the most annoying part of OSX in my own opinion.

Not sure what you mean here. New file? What type of file? Finder isn't for creating files, it's for managing them. Folders and aliases are about the only that you can create in the Finder, and that's the way it should be.

3. Transparency control for menu bar (slider not just option).

You know how Apple is about customization, don't expect this.

4. New default dock background image.

What's wrong with the current one? They'll probably change the Dock slightly, they like to do that with each release. Gives a nice quick visual identification of the version of OS X you're dealing with if you're a tech, so I like it.

jW

talmy
Jan 14, 2011, 11:51 AM
Windows has create new files in the Windows Explorer, so I expect that is what MCMarshall wants. I never found that particularly useful as I'd rather create new files in the appropriate application program.

MCMarshall
Jan 14, 2011, 02:20 PM
Been planned for years, I'll be impressed if it actually shows up now.



Not sure what you mean here. New file? What type of file? Finder isn't for creating files, it's for managing them. Folders and aliases are about the only that you can create in the Finder, and that's the way it should be.



You know how Apple is about customization, don't expect this.



What's wrong with the current one? They'll probably change the Dock slightly, they like to do that with each release. Gives a nice quick visual identification of the version of OS X you're dealing with if you're a tech, so I like it.

jW

Indeed I doubt it'll bring Resolution Independence, but we can hope. Just to polish off a perfectly good OS.

I am an advocate of being able to right-click and create files in place. Yes it's to browse files however I do not see why you should not be able to create them too. As a developer I do find it quite annoying, especially if I want to add a quick note inside a folder. This used to be possible with some form of component add-on before Snow Leopard.

Other comments - I like new things. :cool:

Thunderbird
Jan 15, 2011, 07:39 PM
Ditch the Finder for something a bit more like PathFinder. Although I'm not wishing Apple to put that guy out of business of course...
..

What are the chances of Apple maybe just acquiring Cocoatech?

Pathfinder is really miles ahead of what Apple has done with Finder.

TSE
Jan 16, 2011, 06:43 PM
All I want:

-Resolution Independence
-Overall faster
-Slimmer package - make it take up even less space
-Better graphics drivers

TuffLuffJimmy
Jan 16, 2011, 08:05 PM
Windows has create new files in the Windows Explorer, so I expect that is what MCMarshall wants. I never found that particularly useful as I'd rather create new files in the appropriate application program.
I use create new file all the time. I made an automator action that runs bash touch command and makes a new text file.

FoxMcCloud
Jan 18, 2011, 03:22 PM
Merging folders instead of replacing is most definitely needed

+1 !! I did not know this happened until I moved a folder with 2 pictures in to the same place with another identically named folder with 600 pictures in.
Upon checking later, I was horrified to only see the 2 pictures in that folder!!

I'd like email built into the OS like on iOS. Make Mail a core app, perhaps a little mail icon next to the clock that tells me how many new emails I have. I dont really want to have to have Mail running all the time.

Also, unify the UI! So many different styles coming from 1st party apps.

Bring some functionality from other OS's. There are quite a few things that Windows and Linux do that Mac OS does not which is a shame really.

Replace iTunes. Rewrite it into a modern app! Coca 64 bit. Strip out all the bloat, separate some functions into other apps (like iOS Apps merging into the Mac App Store) the sync of devices can then be handled by the oft forgotten iSync which will take stuff from iTunes, App Store, QuickTime and iPhoto and sync them to an iDevice!
Build a marketplace into quickTime for Movies and TV Shows. Then iTunes will go back to being about Music and the purchasing of Music.
Quicktime will be about Movies and the purchasing of movies.
App Store will be about Apps (for both platforms)

I think this would be much nicer.

Sync could also happen over Wifi...no matter if your device is plugged in by USB or connected to the network, it will show up in iSync. When you want to sync something wirelessly you have to enter the password of the device. Simples.

I think some big things are coming with Apple this year. Time for Apple to play catchup this time, and hopefully surpass. They've had a lot of time to bake Lion. I think Snow Leopard is the beta version of Lion. Like they had to get something quick out the door to meet Windows 7. None of the major stuff was ready in time, just the underlying foundation code of everything. So they released what they had and that was Snow Leopard. Think of it as a stepping stone. They paved the way for this grand OS, the big show that will be Lion. They got everyone ready with the hardware and the driving force to 64bit.

orfeas0
Jan 20, 2011, 01:02 PM
Get rid of the base 10 nonsense. I'm sorry Steve, but 1000KB≠1MB.

you're wrong, 1000KB=1MB. 1024KB=1MiB. :)

Andeavor
Jan 24, 2011, 11:38 AM
Built-in file conversion

ECUpirate44
Jan 24, 2011, 11:43 AM
Built-in file conversion

Like in preview?

Andeavor
Jan 24, 2011, 11:52 AM
Like in preview?
Yes, but already built into the finder. Applicable to images, documents, video files and more.

baddj
Jan 26, 2011, 01:25 AM
Better more stable IPv6 support.

trailofdan
Feb 21, 2011, 04:54 PM
Easy: fix expose so it's back to the way it was in Leopard and prior!

yeah, this!!!!! for god sake!!!!

TIGOS
Feb 21, 2011, 05:20 PM
- TRIM for other brands ssds.
- Better and updated OpenGL for games and to support OSX UI.
- Eliminate some weird options like Folder Actions.
- Full NTFS Read/Write
- Time Machine options like Full and Incremental backup. Not just cumulative backups.
- Better network sockets, Windows 7 run better over ICMP than OSX.
- More integraton with iOS: can run iOS Apps will be good too!
- Make OSX effects more faster! Win 7 with SSD gives me the impression of running faster.

fuzzynoise11
Feb 24, 2011, 06:10 PM
XTerm mouse reporting in Terminal! One single, easy feature

TuffLuffJimmy
Feb 24, 2011, 06:23 PM
Eliminate some weird options like Folder Actions.
Just because you don't know what Folder Actions are doesn't mean Apple should remove them. I use folder actions.

kirky29
Feb 25, 2011, 02:43 PM
Just because you don't know what Folder Actions are doesn't mean Apple should remove them. I use folder actions.

+1
I use Folder Actions a lot.

Neo Utopia
Feb 26, 2011, 05:01 PM
The ability to cut files should be at least an option, depending on the user's computer skill, but copy as default. Photos in iPhoto can be cut, so why can't files in Finder?

Only use the word Delete in the right click menu and make it stand out (the use of bold font would facilitate this) after use Mac OS X for more than eight years now and the "Move to Trash" button just doesn't pop out at me as much as it should to make it easier.

The drop down folder menu where is shows the folders within folders and resent folders should be changed to just recent folders in the drop down and an up-folder button and be on the default button collection (unlike the path button which isn't on the default button collection.) At least show the folder within folders in the opposite order to show the folders in a descending order and not the current ascending order.



Finder

Tabbed Finder windows.
Cut and paste files.
Folders in path bar to be spring loaded.
Search: ability to display all results at once, not first 10k only; ability to copy and paste more than 10 results at once
Easy way to get a file or folder’s path.
Ability to Quick Look a folder and see its contents
Ability to do things like rename files whilst in Open/Save dialog boxes
View zip file contents, add to zip file




Servers

Easy way to connect to servers on login without Finder windows opening.
Finder windows to properly update when files are changed (e.g. date modified doesn’t update until selecting that file)
Servers to always show up in the Finder sidebar


Other

Dashboard widgets to load themselves on login, not on the first activation of Dashboard
More powerful Automator - it never quite does enough
Consistent shortcut keys for home, end etc.
Ability to prevent icons in the Dock from endlessly bouncing
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HMFIC03
Mar 28, 2011, 11:37 PM
Better Smart / Common Access Card (CAC) reader support :mad:

And Cut/Copy enabled

TuffLuffJimmy
Mar 29, 2011, 02:03 AM
+1
I use Folder Actions a lot.
Now that I think about it folder actions could use a redesign that could end up being a killer feature. As it is right now it's fairly complex and not really useable for novice computer users. If folder actions could be integrated into Automator better or useful sample folder actions come with the OS that would be useful. Even folder actions that come in default folders; like downloads, documents, pictures, etc; could be extremely useful.

lshirase
Mar 30, 2011, 12:40 PM
- TRIM for other brands ssds.
- Better and updated OpenGL for games and to support OSX UI.
- Eliminate some weird options like Folder Actions.
- Full NTFS Read/Write
- Time Machine options like Full and Incremental backup. Not just cumulative backups.
- Better network sockets, Windows 7 run better over ICMP than OSX.
- More integraton with iOS: can run iOS Apps will be good too!
- Make OSX effects more faster! Win 7 with SSD gives me the impression of running faster.

:cool::cool::cool:

MattInOz
Mar 30, 2011, 07:44 PM
Now that I think about it folder actions could use a redesign that could end up being a killer feature. As it is right now it's fairly complex and not really useable for novice computer users. If folder actions could be integrated into Automator better or useful sample folder actions come with the OS that would be useful. Even folder actions that come in default folders; like downloads, documents, pictures, etc; could be extremely useful.

I agree Automator should be the starting point for all system/app automation. If you second click a folder the option to attach an action should take you to automator. From there you can drag in Applescript/shell script action. They could a library of code snippets for both of these action types.

I don't know if Automator is seeing any sort of upgrade but it would nice if it did see some improvements. Like a simple interface builder so you could bundle exposed controls into a logical interface. Plus some program logic controls would be good, Even a simple if/then/else action that could switch between to actions, or something full on visual like quartz composer object models.

Branskins
Apr 1, 2011, 02:30 PM
Some things I would like:

Clicking on the title bar of any window scrolls to the top of the window! Like on iOS when you click the top bar in Safari
Quickly pressing the space bar twice inserts a period
Some command to enter full screen

TuffLuffJimmy
Apr 1, 2011, 03:03 PM
Some command to enter full screen
command+F?

Branskins
Apr 1, 2011, 03:11 PM
command+F?

Nope thats "Find". I don't see any command listed in the View drop down.

Leslie.Hon
Apr 2, 2011, 12:49 AM
Fingerprint authentication
Cut & Paste , Tab View in Finder

TuffLuffJimmy
Apr 2, 2011, 01:39 PM
Nope thats "Find". I don't see any command listed in the View drop down.
Try it in iTunes. In Aperture it's just the F key. In iPhoto it's command option F. I wish that Apple would at least make it consistent in Lion.