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BlackMangoTree
Oct 17, 2010, 02:56 AM
No Movies or Tv shows within folders.

When selecting a genre under music and select all albums it displays the whole entire library no just from that genre.

No date shown in the Music metat data or comments displayed.

No itunes or Movie Extras.

Subtitles don't work on movies with a resolution higher than 1200.

Can't select the output resolution.

Air Speakers has vanished.

These things need to fixed as of yesterday.

Im seriously pissed off that it's such a huge step backwards over the original.



detoxguy
Oct 17, 2010, 03:27 AM
No Movies or Tv shows within folders.

When selecting a genre under music and select all albums it displays the whole entire library no just from that genre.

No date shown in the Music metat data or comments displayed.

No itunes or Movie Extras.

Subtitles don't work on movies with a resolution higher than 1200.

Can't select the output resolution.

Air Speakers has vanished.

These things need to fixed as of yesterday.

Im seriously pissed off that it's such a huge step backwards over the original.

Guess you shouldn't buy it then. Aren't you glad you did your research before purchasing this product? Imagine if you bought it before knowing you wouldn't like it!

LouieSamman
Oct 17, 2010, 03:41 AM
No Movies or Tv shows within folders.

When selecting a genre under music and select all albums it displays the whole entire library no just from that genre.

No date shown in the Music metat data or comments displayed.

No itunes or Movie Extras.

Subtitles don't work on movies with a resolution higher than 1200.

Can't select the output resolution.

Air Speakers has vanished.

These things need to fixed as of yesterday.

Im seriously pissed off that it's such a huge step backwards over the original.

Want to know the reason?

The Apple TV is smaller and it's more of a streaming service now so many options and extras that was in the first Apple TV has vanished.

Updates are needed and we will see a gradual uprise in the software.

I personally love it and don't need all that, maybe because I never owned the 1st gen Apple TV.

I am only waiting for an update to introduce apps on the Apple TV to take it beyond.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 17, 2010, 03:42 AM
Guess you shouldn't buy it then. Aren't you glad you did your research before purchasing this product? Imagine if you bought it before knowing you wouldn't like it!

One would expect the features of the original to be carried over.

Why would any company make an inferior product? and called it version 2. it's more like version 0.5

There is no way in the world any owner of the original can like the new model better, i can't see one thing it does better, Maybe netflix, and thats only useful to the U.S

LouieSamman
Oct 17, 2010, 03:48 AM
One would expect the features of the original to be carried over.

Why would any company make an inferior product? and called it version 2. it's more like version 0.5

There is no way in the world any owner of the original can like the new model better, i can't see one thing it does better, Maybe netflix, and thats only useful to the U.S

They like to switch from the first gen to the 2nd one because it's smaller. No hard drive to store your movies/tv shows, just rent and buy. And for the fact that soon there is going to be apps on the device that you can download. Yeah and also Netflix, Flickr, YouTube.

jzuena
Oct 17, 2010, 07:17 AM
One would expect the features of the original to be carried over.

Why would any company make an inferior product? and called it version 2. it's more like version 0.5

There is no way in the world any owner of the original can like the new model better, i can't see one thing it does better, Maybe netflix, and thats only useful to the U.S

Its got a faster CPU. If they ever allow a Plex or even XBMC app, I would get one and move one of my aTV1's to a SDTV using the composite output patch. I use aTV as a front end to MythTV and to play DVD rips. I tried playing HD mkv files and it stutters in XBMC and Sapphire, so I wouldn't mind having one with a little more horsepower.

jaw04005
Oct 17, 2010, 08:13 AM
One would expect the features of the original to be carried over.

Why would any company make an inferior product? and called it version 2. it's more like version 0.5

There is no way in the world any owner of the original can like the new model better, i can't see one thing it does better, Maybe netflix, and thats only useful to the U.S

I'm sure all of that is coming eventually. Most of it is a limitation of iOS (AirSpeakers, iTunes Extras, etc).

Streaming (and buffering) is drammatically better on the new Apple TV since it uses QTKit and not the old QuickTime 7 framework, and AirPlay will be a unique feature (once it actually arrives). And Jobs has pretty much said apps are coming soon.

Porting the old Apple TV's UI to iOS had to be a big job. So, I'll withold judgement until iOS 4.2 ships for the Apple TV.

It took three years to get the old Apple TV's software where it was when they ported it. If you're an Apple TV owner you should be used to waiting.

zedsdead
Oct 17, 2010, 08:41 AM
This is due to the complete rewrite that had to occur to move it from Tiger based Quicktime 7 to iOS 4.

I am not happy with the missing features, but I am sure a fix will be in place soon.

The new Apple TV otherwise is MUCH better than its predecessor. Much faster, less issues.

wodeh
Oct 17, 2010, 11:27 AM
I never owned an original Apple TV. They were too expensive for what they were, and I had plenty of other devices that did the same thing.

But the Apple TV2 absolutely schools the Xbox 360/PS3 at media streaming and I'm happy for it to do just that.

PwnageTool has other things in store for it, however, and I think that's where many potential Apple TV2 buyers were coaxed into picking one up.

Furthermore, I invite you to point out exactly where Apple refer to the Apple TV as the Apple TV 2. Certainly not on the box, the store, or the promotional website subsection dedicated to it. It's known simply as "Apple TV." The "2" is just the communities way of differentiating it from its predecessor. They certainly didn't call it "version 2," unless you know better?

BlackMangoTree
Oct 17, 2010, 11:40 AM
The user interface i could put up with until it's slowly made better with updates.

The video stuttering that us Pal countries are experiencing is not aceptable.

The #1 point of this device is to playback video and it does a poor job.

NightStorm
Oct 17, 2010, 12:22 PM
The user interface i could put up with until it's slowly made better with updates.

The video stuttering that us Pal countries are experiencing is not aceptable.

The #1 point of this device is to playback video and it does a poor job.

I hope you submitted this list to apple.com/feedback.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 17, 2010, 12:27 PM
More than once i have sent feedback.

Surf Monkey
Oct 17, 2010, 12:50 PM
More than once i have sent feedback.

So, your backup plan is to troll this board?

steviem
Oct 17, 2010, 01:53 PM
To be fair, all I'm not liking about the Apple TV so far are the following:

-No RCA audio out - This is more a complaint at myself and the poor audio on my hdmi monitor, I'll probably get an HDMI AV receiver to fix this.
-TV Shows should be sorted so you can click into them and look at the seasons, but this appears to be a problem that is in iTunes too.
-No Volume Control - But this is a problem with my Monitor...

i really am enjoying the Apple TV so far. I liked the original, but I wasn't prepared to spend the amount Apple asked for. 99 is that magical number for a purchase, it's where games consoles go to as they are reaching saturation.

Hopefully apps will appear, I'm watching ESPN Gamecast on my 2nd monitor right now and I would really love to pay for an NFL App that streams my teams game and lets me see the scores of the other games in progress.

It was enough for me to sell my PS3!

jamesarm97
Oct 17, 2010, 01:58 PM
I also hate that the "In Theaters" under movies shows them all alphabetically instead of most recent first, unless I am missing something.

fpnc
Oct 17, 2010, 02:18 PM
Its [ATV2] got a faster CPU...
Actually, the CPU in the ATV1 is computationally more powerful than the 1GHz A4 processor that is rumored to be used in the ATV2. Here is a link from another thread which provides some details on this situation.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11239740&postcount=22

GermanSuplex
Oct 17, 2010, 04:04 PM
Ridiculous that iTunes LP and Extras aren't supported out of the box, but I'm sure its coming soon.

Airplay will remedy the remote speakers, it should come when the next update to iOS 4 is released next month. This WILL be an upgrade, because it will work with audio AND video.

I feel it's a decent upgrade. I consider it a decent improvement over the first-gen, even if a bit imperfect.

pirateRACE
Oct 17, 2010, 07:51 PM
I never owned an original Apple TV. They were too expensive for what they were, and I had plenty of other devices that did the same thing.

But the Apple TV2 absolutely schools the Xbox 360/PS3 at media streaming and I'm happy for it to do just that.

PwnageTool has other things in store for it, however, and I think that's where many potential Apple TV2 buyers were coaxed into picking one up.

Furthermore, I invite you to point out exactly where Apple refer to the Apple TV as the Apple TV 2. Certainly not on the box, the store, or the promotional website subsection dedicated to it. It's known simply as "Apple TV." The "2" is just the communities way of differentiating it from its predecessor. They certainly didn't call it "version 2," unless you know better?

^Couldn't agree more.

I love my new Apple TV and I plan to get one for every TV in my house. This version most definitely will have more mass appeal. I can't wait until AirPlay for iOS and for a possible App Store.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 08:38 AM
One would think that Apple would add additional features not take them away.

If you look around you can by the Original 160gb Apple TV for the same price as the new one. It's superior in every way.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 08:42 AM
I feel it's a decent upgrade. I consider it a decent improvement over the first-gen, even if a bit imperfect.

How so ? what does it actually do that the original can't ?

All i can see is missing features from the original.

diabolic
Oct 18, 2010, 09:18 AM
If you look around you can by the Original 160gb Apple TV for the same price as the new one. It's superior in every way.

There won't be any future software upgrades or new features for the original.

I think it depends on how you are using it. Most of the things you've listed are software changes that are easily added or fixed. The entire interface had to be rewritten for iOS, so I expect it will improve rather quickly.

pirateRACE
Oct 18, 2010, 09:25 AM
One would think that Apple would add additional features not take them away.

If you look around you can by the Original 160gb Apple TV for the same price as the new one. It's superior in every way.

I'd disagree. The original cannot stream Netflix, will not support AirPlay, it is larger/louder/consumes more power and will no longer be issued software updates.

I understand that you are disappointed, but I don't think it's fair to say it's a lesser product. For me it's a better product for the things mentioned above as well as the future possibilities with an iOS based TV device.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 09:47 AM
Airplay we have no idea how it's going to change anything. So one can't say wait till that comes.

To remove AirSpeakers was criminal.

NextFix the only added feature that 99% of the world can't use.

It used to be great to buy Movies Tv Shows & Music from the Apple TV, now i can't do that. I have to do everything from the Computer.

In Australia we can't rent Tv shows, i was happy buying them now i can't.

Movie rental prices here are so high i might as well buy the movie, i can't do that anymore. Same with music.

I was watching a movie the other night and my modem re synced loosing the connection for a minuet and the Apple TV lost connection to my Shared Library. This surely can't be the case ? No internet one can't watch stream anything ?

KeithJenner
Oct 18, 2010, 10:02 AM
To remove AirSpeakers was criminal.


I am not at all surprised that Airspeakers isn't featured due to the differences in what the new Apple TV does compared to the old one.

As there is no content on the Apple TV, it is not the unit which will lead Airspeakers. Using the remote App, you can now stream from the iTunes which has the content to other speakers. It is possible when the iOS update happens we find that we can control this from an Apple TV.

It would have been a very odd decision to spend development time on a feature which was going to be made obsolete by the first firmware update a month after the unit was released.

Personally, having bought an Apple TV when released, knowing that a fairly major update was due so soon, I'm going to wait for that update until I start complaining about any missing features. We effectively haven't got the finished product yet. Maybe Apple should have waited for the update before releasing the unit, but then we'd have been complaining that we have got iPhones and iPads with Airplay but no Apple TV to use them with.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 10:21 AM
I agree with you, in the future the APple TV 2 will turn out to be superior than the original.

I agree with that they should of held it back until it at least had the same functionality as the original.

Lucky i kept my original so the wait till the update start coming it wont be painful.

xraydoc
Oct 18, 2010, 10:33 AM
I agree that the new Apple TV should at least replicate features that were in the original one, at least up to the point where said feature can be accomplished without internal storage. AirSpeakers should work, though I understand how purchasing content would be problematic.

I have 3 original Apple TVs and like them very much. I'm thinking about adding 3 more new Apple TVs for my kids' rooms - for them it'll be perfect since all they're going to do is stream content already stored in our main iTunes library.

mchalebk
Oct 18, 2010, 10:54 AM
I read more than once in this thread that there will be no more software updates to the original AppleTV. However, no one knows if that will prove to be the case. Apple has stated that it has no plans to bring the new features of the AppleTV 2 to the original model. That does not mean they won't issue any new software updates. In fact, since they're still selling them (albeit in Clearance), I feel it is likely that the original will at least get some update, if only to handle changes in future releases of iTunes.

There will undoubtedly come a time when Apple will, indeed, cut off the old units. However, since they are still selling them, they will continue to support them for some time to come. Whether this support entails any software updates, however, is up in the air.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 11:25 AM
It's funny to watch a movie stutter free i need to use the original Apple TV. The new one is driving me nuts with subtitles. Trying to work out how to get the to display.

laurim
Oct 18, 2010, 12:19 PM
To be fair, all I'm not liking about the Apple TV so far are the following:

-No RCA audio out - This is more a complaint at myself and the poor audio on my hdmi monitor, I'll probably get an HDMI AV receiver to fix this.
-TV Shows should be sorted so you can click into them and look at the seasons, but this appears to be a problem that is in iTunes too.
-No Volume Control - But this is a problem with my Monitor...



You must not have your metadata tagged correctly. I have two seasons of a tv show and on the main TV Show screen there are two buttons, one for each season. I choose Season 2 and then have a list of shows in that season, in episode order. I keep it on the Unwatched tab so as I watch an episode, it leaves the list so I know where I'm at. Perfect!

If you have a mac, use the TV tag Automator script to tag your shows, found in the How to sticky at the top of this forum. It works great! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/242398/BatchRipActions-1.0.4.dmg

KeithJenner
Oct 18, 2010, 05:11 PM
You must not have your metadata tagged correctly. I have two seasons of a tv show and on the main TV Show screen there are two buttons, one for each season. I choose Season 2 and then have a list of shows in that season, in episode order. I keep it on the Unwatched tab so as I watch an episode, it leaves the list so I know where I'm at. Perfect!

If you have a mac, use the TV tag Automator script to tag your shows, found in the How to sticky at the top of this forum. It works great! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/242398/BatchRipActions-1.0.4.dmg

I'm pretty sure that isn't what he meant.

What people want is to just see the show name on the main menu and then, when you click on that you see the episodes. I'm sure that will be coming fairly soon, and hope so as it does make the list very long at the moment.

laurim
Oct 18, 2010, 05:15 PM
I'm pretty sure that isn't what he meant.

What people want is to just see the show name on the main menu and then, when you click on that you see the episodes. I'm sure that will be coming fairly soon, and hope so as it does make the list very long at the moment.

That's EXACTLY what I see. In COMPUTERS/TV Shows menu I see two buttons: True Blood Season 2 and True Blood Season 3. I click on True Blood Season 2 and I get a list of all the episodes in that season, in order.

What else do you want? Three levels of menus like True Blood/True Blood seasons/episodes for that season? I suppose that would be nice if you have a huge library but do most people have a huge library of TV Shows they watch over and over again?

andiwm2003
Oct 18, 2010, 05:26 PM
bah, it's just a little black small streaming thing that is quiet, doesn't get hot and is good for streaming netflix and itunes shows. cheap and boring. i most likely buy one after we buy a new TV. seriously, it's a worryfree streaming device and it's good at that.

KeithJenner
Oct 18, 2010, 05:49 PM
That's EXACTLY what I see. In COMPUTERS/TV Shows menu I see two buttons: True Blood Season 2 and True Blood Season 3. I click on True Blood Season 2 and I get a list of all the episodes in that season, in order.

What else do you want? Three levels of menus like True Blood/True Blood seasons/episodes for that season? I suppose that would be nice if you have a huge library but do most people have a huge library of TV Shows they watch over and over again?

I meant what you describe in your second paragraph. A typo probably didn't make it clear.

It would be very handy as some of us do have very large collections, and if you have a show that has many seasons then it would be much tidier if they were stacked like this.

As I understand it, that is how the Original Apple TV worked and the amount of feedback that Apple must have received on this issue makes it fairly likely that it will be added.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 18, 2010, 10:24 PM
Yes it is how the original worked. The new Apple TV is pathetic for organising tv shows, now i have a list from here to mars and back. Same goes for movies.

jajohns8
Oct 19, 2010, 09:50 AM
Have to agree with BlackMango on this one.

The stuttering playback of HD material (Itunes store bought or encoded with Handbrake) has been a huge disappointment that gets to the core of what the device is supposed to do.

Throw in how Itunes Metadata is now being handled (actually ignored or mishandled), subtitles not working, Home Sharing not working consistently and yes, you have a completely inferior experience to the Apple TV 'First Generation.'

I have shelved my ATV2 in favor of the first generation one until Apple fixes these issues.

BlackMangoTree
Oct 19, 2010, 02:05 PM
jajohns8, what part of the world you from ?

The subtitles not showing and stuttering are the biggest 2 issues they are the core of the machine and the part that should be performing perfectly.

I can't believe that i have wasted 2 weeks trying to resolve subs and stuttering issues.

Like jajohns8 i have gone back to the original until these issues are fixed.

shotts56
Oct 20, 2010, 07:35 AM
I'm afraid I'm the same.

I'm a bit of a tech geek and love to get the latest gadgets to play with. The original ATV suits the family needs perfectly (two young kids), but there seem to be so many things not working properly with the ATV2, I'm holding off from buying one until I see evidence in the form of software updates that these bugs are being looked at.

At the moment it does seem like a product hastily thrown together with software which hasn't gone through an awful lot of testing. Poor show Apple.

jajohns8
Oct 20, 2010, 03:39 PM
the USA

steviem
Oct 20, 2010, 04:12 PM
Yeah, Scrolling through 9 seasons of Family Guy is a bit of a drag. I like the Unwatched tab in order of air date and for that I'm glad that I bought iFlicks!

I've found 720p to play really well but only on N networks or ethernet.