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edtorious
Oct 20, 2010, 01:14 PM
I've been waiting for this but if Apple has to approve an app first before releasing it to the Mac App Store then I will hate it! How about you?



Brradley
Oct 20, 2010, 01:20 PM
As long as you can still get other 'apps' not through the app store, it's alright.

Might we see jailbreaking for the mac!? :p

Small White Car
Oct 20, 2010, 01:21 PM
LOVE IT.

Seems to take all of the benefites of the iOS App Store while avoiding all the downsides. What more do you need?

edtorious
Oct 20, 2010, 01:23 PM
As long as you can still get other 'apps' not through the app store, it's alright.

Might we see jailbreaking for the mac!? :p

well hopefully the devs are not going to start getting greedy by releasing their apps thru app store so they can at least charge .99 cents on their apps, hate to see all the freewares gone :mad: there should be an option to just donate also. :rolleyes:

Eric5h5
Oct 20, 2010, 01:27 PM
It was clearly stated that the Mac app store is not the sole method of getting Mac apps. So anyone who posts reactionary nonsense about "closed", "forced", etc. needs to leave the internet.

As an optional thing (which, again, it is), I've been in favor of something like this for quite a while. I just hope they improve discovery and browsing options, because the iOS app store as-is needs work in that area.

--Eric

rorschach
Oct 20, 2010, 01:40 PM
Like it, since it's a really good, but not the ONLY, way to get apps. I also noticed that all the iLife and iWork apps are available (and separately too).

The automatic installation is really nice too. It will be nice not to have a million .dmg and .pkg files in my Downloads folder that I always forget to clean up. :rolleyes:

thenetstud
Oct 20, 2010, 01:42 PM
I like it. I think it will give developers the opportunity to showcase their apps and at the end of the day earn them more money.

Branskins
Oct 20, 2010, 01:43 PM
This will make application discovery a lot easier for people! Not everyone is as good as us when searching for applications!

Plus, a lot of us already trust Apple with our credit cards, so this will make it really easy for someone to buy something without worrying about fraud.

I also find it interesting this is getting its own App and not somehow being integrated into iTunes (thank god!). They will no doubt link the accounts, but I am very glad they made this a separate app!

And one more thing, this makes complete sense with their philosophy of getting rid of optical drives. To install Pages I don't need the disk. There really is no reason to have a disk anymore. I guess it is only becomes important when you need to install a huge program and you have limited bandwidth. I guess that can be a huge problem!

I think in the end it makes complete sense. It makes discovering apps extremely easy. It makes it more "safe" and trustworthy. I would rather give Apple my credit card rather than some random website. It gives a consistent experience across iOS and OS X devices.

The only problem I see is the confusion between buying it on the web or through the app store. Online, the developer gets 100% of the money while on the app store they only get 70%. I hope they don't find some way to entice you to buy it online because then it could become a mess. I wonder if it could actually lower the prices online so it benefits the people that know how to find applications? At the same time, 70% of the money is still really good when you have a forum such as the App Store to get your application seen by a lot of people.

This will probably piss off a lot of people now, but it really does help the consumers in the end. When I first came to the Mac last year, it was slightly difficult to find the right applications to get. I knew nothing about it. If there had been a Mac App Store upon first boot-up, it would have been very fun to go through and see what applications people like. Think about all the people out there that get a Mac and don't really search for very useful applications. I have many friends who just stick with the stock apps plus Pages or Microsoft Word. This should greatly help them!

shrakner
Oct 20, 2010, 02:09 PM
This will make application discovery a lot easier for people! Not everyone is as good as us when searching for applications!

This. I agree wholeheartedly.

There's a lot of cool Mac apps that are out there, largely undiscovered. Suddenly they'll get a lot more attention, and hopefully drop in price a bit. Right now, I don't begrudge them their price at all, people need to make money. But if you can get your app to the stage where a lot more people can see it, if you make a good app, you sell more and everyone wins. Yes, I realize that volume doesn't always equal profit. But in the segment of utility apps that are often never heard of, I see this as a great boon. And I'm interested in jumping on board... so let's get that developer page updated, Apple. :)

bankshot
Oct 20, 2010, 02:13 PM
As long as Apple never even thinks about locking down future Mac OS X versions to only run app store apps, then I think this is a good thing.

That is really my only worry, and has been since iOS popularity started shooting through the roof - hypothetical or improbable as it may be now. The iOS app store is obviously wildly successful, so what if they start thinking that a similar lockdown on OS X would only drive away, say, 5% of advanced users while bringing in another 20% of users who want the simplicity? Seems like a net win in that case, so would they make the jump?

I suspect it will never happen because those advanced users are typically the ones who advise less advanced friends and family. Make them mad and you won't lose just them as customers. But it's still a concern as today Apple has unquestionably moved a little closer to that horror. :eek::rolleyes:

Of course, a Mac app store will likely suffer the same problems as the iOS app store - primarily too much pure junk crowding out the few really good apps. Will be interesting to see how they evolve it to tackle this problem over the years.

Also will be interesting to see if all or most of the big guys jump in - Adobe, Microsoft, etc.

Edit: edtorious brings up a good point: what about freeware developers? Will Apple charge the same $99/year for developer access to the Mac app store? That seems like a good way to discourage freeware because who wants to pay for the privilege of giving something away for free? And at the same time, if this store takes off, any developers, freeware or not, may be forced to use it if they want their software to be noticed. The $99/year (as opposed to a one-time $99, say, for the developer tools) is my biggest gripe against getting into iOS development myself. Again, it will be interesting.

VPrime
Oct 20, 2010, 02:17 PM
Directly copied from another post of mine in another thread.


Why would it be a locked down OS? What did apple show today that made everyone think it is locked down?!
NOTHING!
Every one is worried about the appstore. Steve jobs specifically said that the app store is only one way of getting apps, NOT THE ONLY WAY.
Every thing you are used to stille exists, nothing has changed. You don't have to use the app store!

As for the 30% apple takes, it is actually quite reasonable.
If you developer your own software and sell it on your own site.. You still do not make 100%. I would guess it is below or right around the 70% mark any ways.
You must factor in LOTS of advertising, web hosting, LOTS of bandwidth to be able to supply your software. This stuff is not cheap.
Apple is taking the heavy load off the developers, this lets developers focus on writing programs, not selling them.


The app store is a huge benefit to developers and consumers. It lets developers get their apps tot he masses.. And the masses to the apps.

The appstore is also an alternative, it is not the only way to get applications. You can still go to macupdate, the store..... google....... Or various torrent sites (legal, or illegal).

There is no need to jailbreak an operating system you are already given root access to.

DrummerB
Oct 20, 2010, 02:53 PM
I hope there will be an official support of Trial/Lite versions. While I might pay a few bucks for an unknown iPhone app, I'll certainly not pay $20+ (price of a typical Mac app) without trying it first, even if the reviews are good. If Apple won't support Trial versions, the Free category will be spammed with them again. It should be like it is with most Mac apps currently. You download the Trial version, try it for 30 days. And if you decide to buy it, you can continue using it without losing the data from the trial period.

Hellhammer
Oct 20, 2010, 03:00 PM
I like the idea. Steve said it won't be the only place so I'm happy. Auto updates etc, makes it even better. Don't have a reason to complain

R94N
Oct 20, 2010, 03:00 PM
I think from the average consumer point of view (i.e. not a geek/nerd who follows the tech space) it's very useful, but personally I don't tend to install any apps other than my Twitter/IRC client and Onyx. Auto updates are an excellent feature in my opinion, because a lot of people just end up forgetting to update.

Cougarcat
Oct 20, 2010, 03:21 PM
Well they've posted the Mac app guidelines, and apparently iStat Menus breaks half the rules. Terrific.

iggypod
Oct 20, 2010, 03:22 PM
I definitely like it.

Rizon
Oct 20, 2010, 03:23 PM
This will make application discovery a lot easier for people! Not everyone is as good as us when searching for applications!

I disagree. The app store is a miserable mess, a disorganized pile of software. If you only look at the most popular 'top' apps, if you're looking to discover those then sure it's going to help; but beyond the top apps, it's spaghetti. The search feature is amazingly subpar.

The mac app store feels like a slippery slope into more iOS features making their way into OSX (as Jobs himself stated). iOS is fine for portable devices, but for a computer, it's a terrible choice.

KingYaba
Oct 20, 2010, 03:27 PM
The mac app store feels like a slippery slope into more iOS features making their way into OSX (as Jobs himself stated). iOS is fine for portable devices, but for a computer, it's a terrible choice.

Prepare yourself because that's the future of OS X.

Hastings101
Oct 20, 2010, 03:39 PM
I really like all of the new features in OS X that they showed, if this is that horrible iOS and OS X combining thing people are complaining about then I'm all for it.

mrkramer
Oct 20, 2010, 03:40 PM
Since it's not the only way to get apps, I think it is a great idea and I've been wanting something like this for a while. As long as Apple is strict about what apps they approve it should be a good place to find high quality programs that I may not have heard about otherwise.

ipedro
Oct 20, 2010, 03:52 PM
well hopefully the devs are not going to start getting greedy by releasing their apps thru app store so they can at least charge .99 cents on their apps, hate to see all the freewares gone :mad: there should be an option to just donate also. :rolleyes:

And you're not being greedy for wanting free apps? It's 99¢

If the developer created something you want to keep using, then they deserve to be paid.

czeluff
Oct 20, 2010, 04:01 PM
I disagree. The app store is a miserable mess, a disorganized pile of software. If you only look at the most popular 'top' apps, if you're looking to discover those then sure it's going to help; but beyond the top apps, it's spaghetti. The search feature is amazingly subpar.

The mac app store feels like a slippery slope into more iOS features making their way into OSX (as Jobs himself stated). iOS is fine for portable devices, but for a computer, it's a terrible choice.

Please explain to me how google.com is less of a spaghetti mess than this will be for finding apps.

One of the important things that no one is understanding here, is that this eliminates the .dmg. Not every Mac users "gets" the concept of moving the application from the dmg to Applications directory, then ejecting the dmg and throwing it away.

This makes Windows with their mandatory InstallShield installs look COMPLETELY silly now.

mb25667
Oct 20, 2010, 04:24 PM
I think they could have incorporated this into iTunes for the Mac. They didn't need a standalone store.

However, if this turns the app shopping experience into what it is for the iPhone/iPod/iPad...then it is going to be awesome.

Hopefully it will inspire even more development for the mac as well.


However, I'm going to call this now. If 10.7 is about a Mac App Store...10.8 will be: GameCenter for the Mac!!

rhett7660
Oct 20, 2010, 04:30 PM
I like the idea. Steve said it won't be the only place so I'm happy. Auto updates etc, makes it even better. Don't have a reason to complain

My thoughts exactly. If he would of said we can't get our software from somewhere else.... I would not be a happy camper!

elppa
Oct 20, 2010, 05:13 PM
If it makes panic more money to go via panic.com I'll keep doing it that way.

I do think there are a LOT of good Mac apps which don't get much attention. If your new to the platform and wanted an SVN client then you could quickly find Cornerstone and Versions on the app store, whereas with the current setup you might have to do a bit more work on Google.

I am concerned that while big open source project (I'm thinking Mozilla with Firefox) will likely pay the admission fee, what about a good IM client like Adium? Or the open source SequelPro?

I know you CAN get these tools by bypassing the app store, I suspect most people won't. They'll do it the convenient way (and the app store is convenient). Then the open source applications (which may be just as good or better) aren't on a level playing field.

lewis82
Oct 20, 2010, 06:13 PM
As long as you can still download apps the regular way (which will be possible, as said Steve), I'm OK with it.

Discovering new apps will be easier. For non technical users, it will be super easy to install and maintain apps (no more need to eject the disk image, delete the .dmg, no more running the app from the disk image, etc).

And since installing apps the long way will still be possible, hacks will still be available, as well as apps which wouldn't be allowed in the App store.

HLdan
Oct 20, 2010, 07:01 PM
As long as you can still get other 'apps' not through the app store, it's alright.

:p

Agreed but if every application for Mac was on the Mac App store there would be no point in getting it elsewhere..........unless people are bit torrenting. :p

Brien
Oct 20, 2010, 08:58 PM
Hmm, I wonder...

Will a Mac App Store and the low price entry ($99, like for iOS) lead to more craptastic OS X apps? The iOS store is mostly junk.

PS: For those worrying about Apple locking down 10.8, keep in mind that Windows 8 is going to have an "Application Marketplace".

goobot
Oct 20, 2010, 09:21 PM
i like

applemagic123
Oct 21, 2010, 12:33 AM
I keep all my applications and dmg's on both external hard drives. I can't live without SMCfancontrol and iStat Pro.

powerbook911
Oct 21, 2010, 12:39 AM
The App Store will simply inspire MORE exciting Apps as people will know they have a shot to make money out of them.

People will have more to do with their Macs. Obviously, the intent by Apple is to have an App Store as it WILL help sell more Macs. The App store helps sell iPhones and iPads. By comparison, people are doing LESS with Macs (your average Joe) than they do with their iPad and iPhone.

This fixes that. This gives your average user a place to expand the capabilities of the computer.

Us prosumers will continue to get Apps elsewhere too, where no restrictions are in place.

For the average consumer though, this will make Macs MUCH more exciting. For many, web, email, and iTunes is all they use computer for. That eventually gets boring.

Weepul
Oct 22, 2010, 04:14 AM
To me, it seems unnecessary to have the Mac App Store be an OS feature. It can ship pre-installed, for sure, but also should downloadable from Apple's web site like iTunes and Safari. It should function for at least 10.5.6+; the only reason I see for it to not is to have another incentive for people to buy a new upgrade of their OS.

In fact, this seems like something which should be a separate application, not an OS feature.

The app store concept itself seems like a fine addition to Apple's ecosystem.

However, WTF is this scheiße?!
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256777&stc=1&d=1287738609

As long as Apple never even thinks about locking down future Mac OS X versions to only run app store apps
This.

I am concerned that while big open source project (I'm thinking Mozilla with Firefox) will likely pay the admission fee, what about a good IM client like Adium? Or the open source SequelPro?
Why not? The fee ought to be insignificant compared to the costs of not charging for one's labor, which they've already accepted.

roadbloc
Oct 22, 2010, 04:26 AM
I like it. I'm looking forward to it. I think it is LONG overdue.

unixperience
Oct 22, 2010, 01:46 PM
I disagree. The app store is a miserable mess, a disorganized pile of software. If you only look at the most popular 'top' apps, if you're looking to discover those then sure it's going to help; but beyond the top apps, it's spaghetti. The search feature is amazingly subpar.
...

I see the appstore as being this:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/
http://www.apple.com/downloads/
(WHOO i jsut noticed that autocad for mac is finally out, i wonder if i can use my regular license i already have for the mac version if i disable my windows the other one)apple already has these links, i've used them before... and as of now they are a mess really is subpar for searching, hopefully the apstore will have better search functions

I would assume whatever criteria apple used for the downloads site now will port over to the newer apstore.
I also think it will definitely spark more development the same way opening the ipod appstore has attracted lots of programmers this shoudl work the same. and hopefully it will bring osx more into mainstream. just a thought

DesmoPilot
Oct 22, 2010, 07:24 PM
What worries me is where they go from the App store. Basically what I'm trying to say is, what happens after 10.7? They really seem to be going down a path to a more closed system, which on a desktop, is a laughable idea (though would be great for profits, which is their only real motivator).

mrsir2009
Oct 26, 2010, 01:10 PM
I think it'll be great! No longer will you have to trawl the internet searching for "Mac" versions of things :)

mm1250
Oct 28, 2010, 06:27 PM
I have mixed reviews about the Mac App Store.

1st is the long-term effects and plan for Apple. Considering how popular the iOs store has become, it's not unrealistic to believe once the Mac App Store goes live, a majority (over 90%) of OSX apps bought will be via the App Store. With this in mind, third party mac retail sites and even your local Best Buy or Amazon website will see their software sale for Macs decrease by 90%.

2nd, Considering Apple perhaps taking a large % of the Software sales distribution for their platform. It gives them practically a monopoly of who they can allow to distribute apps to their userbase since overtime, a user will not really think about buying XYZ software program through Amazon, the Mac App Store will be the GOTO. This means, if Apple does it's crazy restrictions of approval of apps, Apple will control the software distributed to it's platform. Will Apple allow me to distribute my porn app through the Mac Store? hmmmmm... again "WALLED GARDEN".

Longterm, this is a bad idea, if they creates guidelines for apps to be distributed. For this to be successful, Apple cannot have the ability to deny software on the store based on their stupid criteria (like hating Google and denying them their apps)..

MasterHowl
Oct 30, 2010, 04:45 PM
I've got an iPod Touch, and the App store for that is, as I'm sure you'll know, amazing. It just... works! Perfectly! Easy, simple, and nice to use. This is the reason why I love Apple.

But the Mac App store... I really hope it's as good.

I think it will be :)

Peter.Howard
Oct 30, 2010, 07:34 PM
I like the idea. Steve said it won't be the only place so I'm happy. Auto updates etc, makes it even better. Don't have a reason to complain

I agree with what you are saying

When most of us grew up with computers if you wanted a new software program you went to the store, looked through the shelves and read the instructions on the back etc.. bought it, took it home and installed it from a floppy disk or CD, in the age of the Internet this seems so outdated, and borders on madness, having to go to the stores to buy software? why? download it, install it, if you need to ever reinstall you should just log-in with your itunes, apple store..whatever account and reinstall it. Think of the savings to the environment alone, bits of data flowing over the Internet, no plastic wrapping, no CD ROMs etc..
Then there's the convenience, ease of intalling, knowing that the framework around the software, Apple Store...Itunes.....means it works on your system you have.


Buying software online is a great concept, works well on the Iphone,


but you need to keep the market open and allow competition, I don't like as others here like the concept of locking a device down to only one source of software. But it sounds like that is not going to happen with the Apple Store, so that is not an issue.

santaliqueur
Nov 4, 2010, 02:43 PM
I love it. It will make unknown developers' apps available, and established developers can choose not to make their apps available on the store. I can't wait.

amarcus
Nov 4, 2010, 02:48 PM
I'll welcome anything that will streamline uninstall unwanted applications!

DesmoPilot
Nov 4, 2010, 04:21 PM
I'll welcome anything that will streamline uninstall unwanted applications!

Even the eventual "closing" of a desktop OS?

santaliqueur
Nov 4, 2010, 04:23 PM
Even the eventual "closing" of a desktop OS?

Have you *any* evidence this will happen? Or are you just trying to stir up trouble? Troll harder.

DesmoPilot
Nov 4, 2010, 04:39 PM
Have you *any* evidence this will happen? Or are you just trying to stir up trouble? Troll harder.

As I said in my original post earlier in the thread, where can they really go from the App store but towards a more closed system (especially considering the money there is to be made)? Apple's path seems pretty clear if you ask me.

santaliqueur
Nov 4, 2010, 06:25 PM
As I said in my original post earlier in the thread, where can they really go from the App store but towards a more closed system (especially considering the money there is to be made)? Apple's path seems pretty clear if you ask me.

Yes if you ask YOU, a conspiracy theorist who is looking to demonize. So you think a company like Adobe would be willing to sell through Apple's Mac Store for a cut of 30% right off the top? Me neither.

And you think Apple would be stupid enough to cut off an enormous developer such as Adobe? Where's your logic?

I get the "ZOMG ITS GONNA BE CLOZED SOON" discussion, but the logic doesn't even make sense. It's absolutely no benefit for Apple to close off their already successful developer base, they are simply adding another method of delivery. It's humorous to see people panicking and coming up with wacky theories, though.

DesmoPilot
Nov 4, 2010, 11:01 PM
Yes if you ask YOU, a conspiracy theorist who is looking to demonize. So you think a company like Adobe would be willing to sell through Apple's Mac Store for a cut of 30% right off the top? Me neither.


Calm down there buddy, conspiracy theorist? Quite the exaggeration to say the least. You didn't really comprehend/read my post correctly, I said a "more closed type of system", emphasis on the type. You're taking me to literal when I say closed.

Also, Adobe wouldn't be all that hurt if that eventually somehow happened. Adobe could operate at a profit just fine without developing OS X software.



And you think Apple would be stupid enough to cut off an enormous developer such as Adobe? Where's your logic?


You really think Apple cares? Contrary to popular belief, though popular, Adobe's OS X user base isn't nearly as big as it once was.




I get the "ZOMG ITS GONNA BE CLOZED SOON" discussion, but the logic doesn't even make sense. It's absolutely no benefit for Apple to close off their already successful developer base, they are simply adding another method of delivery. It's humorous to see people panicking and coming up with wacky theories, though.

Makes a lot more sense than you're willing to admit. Simply adding another method of delivery? If only it were that simple, the OS X App Store is quite the game changer and Apple is very aware of it (you'd be amazed at how many focus groups and marketing studies they do before making any move). What wacky theories are those? Elaborate please, "theories" I'm hearing are decently plausible considering the recent activity of Apple.

You seem to be taking me all wrong and essentially putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is the potential/possibility (and hints) that Apple will take it's desktop OS in a more closed type system definitely isn't as far off base as you are willing to admit. Having dealt with and been a part of Apple policy (internal policy, stuff that consumers are never made aware of, well short of a leak. I'm an authorized Apple repair technician) for the last decade plus, Apples recent moves in these past couple years has, in many ways, put the writing on the wall - Moving everything to a more "closed" type of system is their future. Now, don't take the word closed to literal (as you already have), the real question lies in how far they go in "closing" their desktop platform. OS X Lion is just the beginning of the application of this new philosophy and direction (which is working great for them on - the entirely different - mobile platform) to a desktop platform, we won't see a a clearer picture of it until 10.8 and beyond.

dusk007
Nov 7, 2010, 12:19 PM
I guess it really could be something awesome. I hope they have a proper admission fee model, because small but really good freeware and open source projects will be left out if they are charged for their work.
If someone creates a little program like there are so many and makes it available for free or on voluntary donation basis he should be able to put his app into this store for free.

Aside from leaving behind good freeware. I always liked the simple way you can install programs of the open source community in Linux or OSX (MacPorts). It is just so awesome to simply start up the finder typ in a few words and press enter and everything else is done automatically.
I never understood why there is no equivalent on windows (aside from maybe Steam) or on any Platform for payed apps.
If you can just search for a program click install and your finished it becomes so much easier than opening a browser, searching in google, clicking through all kinds of pages till the download from some server starts and than you still have to go through the whole installation process that usually consist of multiple clicks on the next button.
Just install everything with default and let those that need custom settings choose them afterwards or at first startup.


ad closed system
I guess it is also a question of how far they can go in closing their system. A personal computer OS is a little different than some mobile phone OS. It is at the very least always going to be a by default jailbroken system ;)

Lord Appleseed
Nov 7, 2010, 01:06 PM
I dont think this App Store is bad at all. Why buy iWoks when you only need Pages?, Why buy iLife (in case you dont have it) if you only want iPhoto?
Not to think of all the other programs you could get much easier than before.

kntgsp
Nov 10, 2010, 08:18 PM
Please explain to me how google.com is less of a spaghetti mess than this will be for finding apps.

One of the important things that no one is understanding here, is that this eliminates the .dmg. Not every Mac users "gets" the concept of moving the application from the dmg to Applications directory, then ejecting the dmg and throwing it away.

This makes Windows with their mandatory InstallShield installs look COMPLETELY silly now.

The only thing that it makes look silly is Mac users. Program installation on Macs is so simple that mentally disabled people can figure it out. The .dmg's generally auto-mount and a window pops up with an icon of the program and an arrow pointing to the applications folder. It's unbelievably simple.

To say that this was necessary speaks volumes about the current Mac crowd and almost functions as a sort of meta-parody. It's like Apple meets Idiocracy.

kntgsp
Nov 10, 2010, 08:25 PM
Have you *any* evidence this will happen? Or are you just trying to stir up trouble? Troll harder.

You, and every other person who parrots the "It's just more options, there's no proof they'll do that, blah blah" are the EXACT same people who said we were insane for thinking that Apple would try to bring iOS to the desktop a year ago.

And look what happened. It's a very, very, slippery slope. Corporations are drooling over the prospect of having complete control over users' desktops. Soon it will be "only applications that are installed through the OSX App Store can take advantage of these overlay features, etc.", then you'll need Terminal, then you'll need to pay $99 to get a "developer's license" to get access to terminal.

spinnerlys
Nov 10, 2010, 08:25 PM
The only thing that it makes look silly is Mac users. Program installation on Macs is so simple that mentally disabled people can figure it out. The .dmg's generally auto-mount and a window pops up with an icon of the program and an arrow pointing to the applications folder. It's unbelievably simple.

To say that this was necessary speaks volumes about the current Mac crowd and almost functions as a sort of meta-parody. It's like Apple meets Idiocracy.

According to many threads here, some people just don't get the concept of dragging and dropping of applications, even if it is that simple. Many mount the .dmg every time they want to start an application and wonder why that is.

And many applications don't come with such nice hints and Applications folder alias, thus they get confused.

Maybe Apple should include some simple tutorials into their installation screens or before/after the Setup Assistant starts, but they seem to think, that the Mac App Store is the easier variant.

Anyway, as there still is the option to use the usual ways outside of the Mac App Store, we are still lucky.

And to tie my post to your "Idiocracy" comment: I've have seen an influx over the years of switching Windows users, who are just not good with computers, but I guess that is normal, but sometimes it seems, more "idiots" are drawn to Mac OS X than ever.

applemagic123
Nov 11, 2010, 12:10 AM
i'm getting really sick and tired of Apple assuming that all of their customers are idiots when it comes to anything computer related. Yah, macs are designed for idiots, but that doesn't mean that people need to continue being idiots.

Back in 2007 my mom bought me my first mac. A macbook. I didn't know anything about it. My best friend, who worked at the apple store, told me that all I really need to know is that I can access EVERYTHING through either the finder or through system preferences.

Later, I learned everything by taking apple's "Applecare Technician Training" which I paid 300 dollars for. I was taking it so that I could be a genius at the apple store. EVERYTHING was super easy and it got me thinking, "You know, this is so simple, why do they even call them genius in the first place?" And I figured out that it's just a marketing scam. Make all the idiot mac customers think that these "geniuses" know everything about macintosh. Most of the geniuses know LESS about computers than I do. It really makes me sick. Macs are way simple to use, anyone can learn about dmg's and dragging and dropping.

applemagic123
Nov 11, 2010, 12:25 AM
I dont think this App Store is bad at all. Why buy iWoks when you only need Pages?, Why buy iLife (in case you dont have it) if you only want iPhoto?
Not to think of all the other programs you could get much easier than before.
Ummmmm............you DO realize that you have the option to do a CUSTOMIZED install where you can CHOOSE which apps get installed......don't you?

I have a pirated version of iLife '08 dmg on my external hard drive. Every time I do a delete and reinstall of OSX (I do it about once a year to keep my hd fresh) I ONLY choose to install iPhoto and garageband because I don't use the other ones. Same thing can be done with adobe suite (I only choose to install photoshop and that's it) and microsoft office (I only chose to install word and excel, and that's it.)

You REALLY need to learn how to use your mac!

spinnerlys
Nov 11, 2010, 12:54 AM
Ummmmm............you DO realize that you have the option to do a CUSTOMIZED install where you can CHOOSE which apps get installed......don't you?

I have a pirated version of iLife '08 dmg on my external hard drive. Every time I do a delete and reinstall of OSX (I do it about once a year to keep my hd fresh) I ONLY choose to install iPhoto and garageband because I don't use the other ones. Same thing can be done with adobe suite (I only choose to install photoshop and that's it) and microsoft office (I only chose to install word and excel, and that's it.)

You REALLY need to learn how to use your mac!

I think Lord Appleseed meant the custom installation regarding to the price, as you would pay less for Pages than for the entire iWork suite, as you can currently see with the iOS App Store.

Why buy iWork, if all you need is Pages? Why buy MS Office, when all you need is Word? And so on.

CosmoPilot
Nov 11, 2010, 04:16 AM
I guess you could call me one of the mac idiots, as I've only had my MBP for 3 months now. I know my way around the PC and would classify my experience level on one as a "genius." However, the Mac is a "different" way of doing things. Each day I find myself learning something new from my Mac. Most of the time, it becomes a "WOW" moment where I think...this makes so much more sense.

With that said, I'm still learning my way around the machine. However, a computer is only hardware. The software is what brings the computer to life and allows all of us to become more efficient at what we do. I believe having a centralized location that offers software to Mac users is a HUGE plus. As the community grows, we can read each other's reviews and determine if the software is appropriate or not.

There is absolutely no way Apple is going to "lock" down a computer. Organizations, companies, businesses, you name it...need computers to conduct day to day operations. Most companies have organizational specific software (designed and tailored to meet their needs). Do you think Apple will now turn their Macs into paper weights because the specific software engineered for their company is 'not approved?'

I know I'm new to the forum and to the Mac life in general, but I'm completely floored when I see the mass hysteria surrounding the App Store. You will ALWAYS be able to install third party software on a Mac outside of an app store. Apple is not going to lock the computer down. Anyone remember Microsoft's troubles surrounding IE? If developers are forced to pay apple money, another lawsuit is forthcoming...think.

I envision the app store to be like an Amazon.com for your Mac. A one stop shop to get everything you need. However, it will not be the only place to shop. So to me, the App Store is going to be huge so I can make the computer more capable than it already is without much hunting and searching for the apps I would like.

I'll end on this thought. I've switched to the Mac because I've been told (and have subsequently discovered myself) that they "just work." To this point, I trust Apple to continue to innovate and find ways to continue making things easier, more capable. In the end, they are a business looking to make a profit...but they realize that customer satisfaction is their strongest product to date. I truly believe they have the customer in mind when they make decisions. Maybe I've drank too much Kool-Aid, but my Mac is WAY better than the PC I just left...

Cosmo

Mal
Nov 11, 2010, 11:48 AM
I think Lord Appleseed meant the custom installation regarding to the price, as you would pay less for Pages than for the entire iWork suite, as you can currently see with the iOS App Store.

Why buy iWork, if all you need is Pages? Why buy MS Office, when all you need is Word? And so on.

Don't bother reasoning that with him, he already stated he stole his version, so he's not going to care about the costs.

jW

Liqwid
Nov 11, 2010, 09:52 PM
Don't bother reasoning that with him, he already stated he stole his version, so he's not going to care about the costs.

jW

+1 lol

Cox Orange
Nov 12, 2010, 03:34 PM
as said before, one will still have the www to search on their own (if installing from other sites then the app-store is allowed then).

Do they actually test the software herein http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/ before listing it?
If using the App store, do they just test legal issues and whether the developer followed their guidelines or will they test the Apps before adding them for download?


PS: though I like this http://download.cnet.com/mac/3150-20_4-0.html?filter=&filterName=&sa=operatingSystem&tag=ltcol;narrow better, because of multiple options to narrow down search results. Better than http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/ I mean.

drewyboy
Nov 16, 2010, 01:33 PM
I know I'm new to the forum and to the Mac life in general, but I'm completely floored when I see the mass hysteria surrounding the App Store. You will ALWAYS be able to install third party software on a Mac outside of an app store. Apple is not going to lock the computer down.

Welcome! Get use to it because it happens a lot here :rolleyes: I have notice my 5 years here at MR that as Apple becomes more popular and as the years have gone on, the newer people to apple are the most illogical people. You'll hear, "OMG!!! I"M sooooo pissed :mad::mad::mad:! I just bought a _xyz_ 4 months ago I can't believe their updating _xyz_!:mad:" Or the "I just got a mac 8 months ago, I can't believe OSX 10.Z doesn't include ___!:mad::mad::mad: I'm switching back to windows! MAC SUCKS!"

So just an FYI, you seem a very intelligent, well grounded person but you'll notice many here aren't. Usually those of us who have been on MR the longest don't respond to these threads. At first you try to correct them, but you'll get to the point where you just don't care and don't bother. So again, welcome to MR and enjoy the world of Apple.

Icaras
Nov 16, 2010, 01:41 PM
I've been waiting for this but if Apple has to approve an app first before releasing it to the Mac App Store then I will hate it! How about you?

Unless you're an App developer, I'm not sure how you can hate this.

Cougarcat
Nov 16, 2010, 01:52 PM
Unless you're an App developer, I'm not sure how you can hate this.

Waiting? Especially for bug fixes.