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mrmarts
Oct 23, 2010, 02:19 AM
I'am guessing that OSX 10.7 will get shipped on DVD but will the next OSX be on blu ray or will mac get rid of the optical drives in the future and preinstall the osx software in the future.



lbro
Oct 23, 2010, 02:21 AM
I don't get it... why bluray?

kuwisdelu
Oct 23, 2010, 02:54 AM
Given the new MacBook Airs' reinstall drive, it's far more likely that if DVDs ever get too small for OS X, we'll see it distributed via USB drive.

QuarterSwede
Oct 23, 2010, 03:01 AM
Given the new MacBook Airs' reinstall drive, it's far more likely that if DVDs ever get too small for OS X, we'll see it distributed via USB drive.
To clarify, the MacBook Air now comes with OS X on a flash drive.

You can bet the Macs will never have BluRay natively. Apple is going to skip it and go straight to downloads. Heck, they've already started with iTunes and now the Mac App Store.

VPrime
Oct 23, 2010, 03:40 AM
To clarify, the MacBook Air now comes with OS X on a flash drive.

You can bet the Macs will never have BluRay natively. Apple is going to skip it and go straight to downloads. Heck, they've already started with iTunes and now the Mac App Store.
I don't believe this to be true. I think they will put off blue ray as long as possible.. Then once they are cheap enough for them to make a huge profit they will introduce them as a BTO option.
There are more uses for blueray than what every day consumers will be using.

Movie studios use mac pros quite a bit.. Burning their hours and hours of footage onto DVDs can sometimes be tedious when often a single blueray can get the same job done.
At the same time, blue ray makes for great data back up..

So once blueray drives are ~75 dollar range... and apple can charge 2-300 dollars for the option.. You will see blue ray :D

brijazz
Oct 23, 2010, 07:01 AM
I too think it'll be a while before we see Blu-ray drives in the Mac lineup, but I'm hoping that 10.7 at least allows for Blu-ray playback for those that elect to get a third-party Blu-ray drive for their machines.

treichert
Oct 23, 2010, 08:52 AM
I for one hope they ditch optical drives with Lion entirely.

The space in my 13" MBP is completely wasted on the ********** DVD Drive.

brijazz
Oct 23, 2010, 09:06 AM
I for one hope they ditch optical drives with Lion entirely.

Dream on :)

As long as there are Mac "switchers" who want to rip their CD collections into iTunes, there will be optical drives.

maflynn
Oct 23, 2010, 09:48 AM
apple will probably never have blu ray, in part because that will eat into their core business of selling/renting content.

They have also commented on the licensing aspect of Blu Ray, as a factor though I'm not sure that's more of Jobs throwing up his RDF

lewis82
Oct 23, 2010, 10:58 AM
There are two primary reasons.

1) As said earlier, it would be a competitor to iTunes.
2) Blu-Ray supposedly requires decoding software to run with root privileges, which could potentially lead to exploits and such.

SDAVE
Oct 23, 2010, 04:23 PM
Blu-Ray supposedly requires decoding software to run with root privileges, which could potentially lead to exploits and such.

Oh please.

Those security holes will be the responsibility of the software companies that make BD playback software, not Apple's.

Windows plays BD fine. Have you ever seen any windows machine being hacked due to BD?

flopticalcube
Oct 23, 2010, 04:26 PM
I doubt they will ever distribute an OS on BD. More likely a DVD or a flash drive will install the core components and you download the optional stuff.

Chozo
Oct 24, 2010, 09:02 PM
I don't get it... why bluray?


I'm sick of people asking this and it's absolutely ridiculous that no one gets it.

How many of you out there remember a point in time when Apple prided itself for any kind of media creation? Do they still? I don't know anymore.

One thing that IS prevailing is HD media. So if I want to burn my HD media to a disc on a Mac...oh wait. Who needs a blu-ray disc when you have flash drives, right? Fine, let's go down this route. Not every blu-ray player has a usb connection and I think most of us know how much codecs are a pain in the ass when it comes to a lot of media devices in general.

What if I want to watch a blu-ray movie on my iMac with a "higher than HD resolution?" Oh wait...I am forced to watch compressed HD video off of iTunes and other sources. And those of us in Canada have capped bandwidth (Awesome!). So compressed video/audio mixed with a capped bandwidth limit means my new awesome iMac display is useless for movies.

It just comes down to functionality. What reason is there to NOT have it? If I want to have an option to hook my Mac Mini up to my TV, why do I have to use another device to play blu-ray?

lbro
Oct 24, 2010, 09:54 PM
I'm sick of people asking this and it's absolutely ridiculous that no one gets it.

How many of you out there remember a point in time when Apple prided itself for any kind of media creation? Do they still? I don't know anymore.

One thing that IS prevailing is HD media. So if I want to burn my HD media to a disc on a Mac...oh wait. Who needs a blu-ray disc when you have flash drives, right? Fine, let's go down this route. Not every blu-ray player has a usb connection and I think most of us know how much codecs are a pain in the ass when it comes to a lot of media devices in general.

What if I want to watch a blu-ray movie on my iMac with a "higher than HD resolution?" Oh wait...I am forced to watch compressed HD video off of iTunes and other sources. And those of us in Canada have capped bandwidth (Awesome!). So compressed video/audio mixed with a capped bandwidth limit means my new awesome iMac display is useless for movies.

It just comes down to functionality. What reason is there to NOT have it? If I want to have an option to hook my Mac Mini up to my TV, why do I have to use another device to play blu-ray?

Whoa buddy, I didn't mean that at all:cool:. I was asking, why should the next versions of OSX be on bluray. I was not asking why a bluray drive should be put in Macs.

SDAVE
Oct 24, 2010, 09:56 PM
I want to see OS X on floppy disks! :D

NoSmokingBandit
Oct 24, 2010, 09:56 PM
If we are using OSs that require more than a 9gb DVD to install from then we have bigger problems to worry about!

David085
Oct 24, 2010, 10:07 PM
I want to see OS X on CD instead of DVD or Blu-ray back into the stone age j/k:rolleyes:

nicroma
Oct 24, 2010, 10:25 PM
If we are using OSs that require more than a 9gb DVD to install from then we have bigger problems to worry about!

If you think that is a problem, then I can guarantee that there will be problems in the future. Maybe not soon, but it will eventually happen.

QuarterSwede
Oct 24, 2010, 10:57 PM
Movie studios use mac pros quite a bit.. Burning their hours and hours of footage onto DVDs can sometimes be tedious when often a single blueray can get the same job done.
At the same time, blue ray makes for great data back up..

So once blueray drives are ~75 dollar range... and apple can charge 2-300 dollars for the option.. You will see blue ray :D
Movie, production and recording studios all use external hard drives because they're so cheap per GB.

They have also commented on the licensing aspect of Blu Ray, as a factor though I'm not sure that's more of Jobs throwing up his RDF
It's not. It's fairly wide known how bad the licensing is. It's gotten better but it's still not great from what I understand.

To clarify what I meant, I could see a BTO for the Mac Pro and 17" MBP for pro use eventually but I highly doubt you'll see it as an option on the iMac, MB or 13" & 15" MBP.

Chozo
Oct 24, 2010, 11:42 PM
Whoa buddy, I didn't mean that at all:cool:. I was asking, why should the next versions of OSX be on bluray. I was not asking why a bluray drive should be put in Macs.

My bad. A thousand apologies!

VPrime
Oct 24, 2010, 11:56 PM
Movie, production and recording studios all use external hard drives because they're so cheap per GB.


It's not. It's fairly wide known how bad the licensing is. It's gotten better but it's still not great from what I understand.

To clarify what I meant, I could see a BTO for the Mac Pro and 17" MBP for pro use eventually but I highly doubt you'll see it as an option on the iMac, MB or 13" & 15" MBP.
Ah your right, external hard drives have slipped my mind.:D

As for licensing, I have seen some very low end acer laptops with blue ray drives.. If they can do it, why not apple- for at least a BTO option?

Arnel
Oct 25, 2010, 01:58 AM
I've always kind of assumed (and, you know, to assume is to make an ass of u and me) that we wouldn't get Bluray drives in Macs until OS X can provide the protected video playback paths that Bluray requires. That may or may not be coming in 10.7, but I don't think Apple want to include the drives if you can't watch a Bluray movie with them.

Nishi100
Oct 25, 2010, 06:48 AM
Why don't you just wait for Apple to put HDMI in their machine's, then use an external blu ray drive.

I don't think we will ever see blu ray drives in Apple products (while SJ is still CEO); but I can see HDMI ports, in the iMac's; however, Apple (Steve) loves Light Peak which, can / will / could, replace HDMI, so I can see Apple skipping HDMI straight to lightpeak, in 2012...

steviem
Oct 25, 2010, 06:55 AM
I'd be really disappointed in apple if their OS install disk needed more space than a Dual layer DVD...

Although I agree, we're more likely to see a USB key drive than optical media. Such faster transfer sp reds than optical...

lewis82
Oct 25, 2010, 02:50 PM
Oh please.

Those security holes will be the responsibility of the software companies that make BD playback software, not Apple's.

Windows plays BD fine. Have you ever seen any windows machine being hacked due to BD?

Which is why I have put the other reason :rolleyes:

bobr1952
Oct 25, 2010, 02:54 PM
Considering all of the threads on this forum about how much Steve hates Blu Ray, this is kind of a funny question. :D

R94N
Oct 25, 2010, 02:55 PM
This (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=956807) thread only just dried up a couple of days ago :D

colourfastt
Oct 25, 2010, 04:20 PM
Considering all of the threads on this forum about how much Steve hates Blu Ray, this is kind of a funny question. :D

This poor horse has been beaten to death over the past couple of years. For those who never bothered to search for those threads, the general consensus is: 1) Blu-ray won't be used in Macs due to licensing issues, and; 2) there won't be Blu-ray in a Mac until there is a 9.7mm SLOT loading Blu-ray player.

mrsir2009
Oct 25, 2010, 10:26 PM
Nope. I bet it will go straight from coming on DVDs to coming on USB flash drives.

cuestakid
Oct 30, 2010, 09:59 PM
I am more or less convinced that Blu-ray will never get Steve's blessing. I became convinced when Steve showed off the new Apple TV and talked about how people don't like streaming or syncing.

cuestakid
Oct 30, 2010, 10:00 PM
Nope. I bet it will go straight from coming on DVDs to coming on USB flash drives.

That or a PC will have the OS built into the motherboad...

Peter.Howard
Nov 1, 2010, 03:48 AM
Will we ever see a OSX on blu ray

Well I guess obviously you first have to have macs from the factory with bluray players in them, for 12 - 24 months, so they are fairly common in the marketplace.


I would guess, that maybe Apple will come up with some sort of online install system, that you can "somehow" boot the machine to a network/Ethernet connection and install from their servers somewhere.

The average users probably never users their restore system discs anyway.

2Bad4U
Nov 10, 2010, 11:15 PM
Nope.

hachre
Nov 17, 2010, 09:15 PM
BluRay is not gonna happen, it's a matter of principle for Steve Jobs. As long as he exists at Apple there won't be any official BluRay support.

On the other side with USB 3 nothing will stop 3rd parties anymore from supplying external Blu-Ray drives with their own software to play movies.

filmweaver
Nov 22, 2010, 12:43 AM
I'm in for BluRay, I have satellite service and have a daily download limit of 200Mb. Hardly enough to support CLOUD, ATV, iTunes and the rest. That would essentially cut me out of any new services offered. I guess we will have to figure out how to transmit on Barbed Wire fences used for COWS. I can't even get a cell phone to work in my area.

SXR
Nov 22, 2010, 04:41 AM
I think in the future we wont see OSs on dvd or bluray for that matter.
Cloud or usb is my guess.

roadbloc
Nov 22, 2010, 09:51 AM
Probably never. Not that I've seen much of a huge adoption of Bluray in many other computer sellers. It just doesn't seem to be taking off like DVD did.

Not fussed tbh, I don't have any disks which require bluray.

drjsway
Nov 23, 2010, 09:27 PM
compressed HD video off of iTunes and other sources. ?

Blu ray movies are also heavily compressed. An uncompressed two hour movie is in the terabytes.

Bluefusion
Nov 24, 2010, 05:05 PM
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Apple will def support blu-ray when it's feasible to do so. Right now they have a lot of licensing issues to work out, plus they really believe it to be unnecessary (for most people). I don't really know why they think that, but they do.

But either way, hopefully OS X never gets big enough to require a BD!

datamonger128
Dec 5, 2010, 01:11 AM
If we are using OSs that require more than a 9gb DVD to install from then we have bigger problems to worry about!

I'm not entirely sure about Snow Leopard, but I believe Leopard was on a dual-layer DVD because of the fact that it has both PPC and Intel code on it. If I'm not mistaken though, the OEM Leopard discs that came with Intel Macs were single layer.