24, season 4

[rickvanr]

hah, palmer's back baby... yeahhh

tonight's episode was lacking action, but good nevertheless and lots of stuff happened. I'm wondering when Edgar cracks... seems soon to me.

[Toeknee]

YES FINALLY I KNEW IT!!!! Finally listening to him talking about how deep frying a turkey causes soo many injuries would pay off!!

[emw]

I'm wondering when Edgar cracks... seems soon to me.Agreed - he'll go off soon. Wonder what will happen? He'll start to storm off in a huff, Chloe will make a wisecrack, and he'll punch her? That would be worth watching.

[Toeknee]

Anyone think if the current president (forget his name) will just become Palmer's puppet and that Palmer will really be calling the shots? I thought Edgar was gonna go ape on the guy they brought in but Jack to care of him so I dunno, maybe he'll lose that disc that they so careful went out of their way to point out a couple episodes back. (sorry about the double post btw)

[sarae]

Woo! Palmer's coming back, Jack's a renegade person working against CTU's wishes, Tony and Michelle are making eyes at each other.... it's just like past seasons! :D The next few hours look to be rather action-packed, hopefully they'll keep it up.

[EJBasile]

I love 24. I watched the full 1st season on DVD in 2 days. Tonight was the first night I remember it was on and had the time to watch it.
Palmer I cannot take seriously even though he plays such a serious character. All I can think of "Are you in good hands?" from the allstate commericals he is in.

[mgargan1]

I was very impressed with tonights episode... did the last line remind anyone else of Sam Fisher from splinter cell?

[killuminati]

now that was a 24 episode

just like the good ol' days

[Balin64]

I believe it is not acceptable to make a show about events so heavily centered in the American psyche. Poeple in our country have already placed polarized lenses over their eyes on all that has to do with terrorism. With the color alerts, the Patriot Act... this show seems uncalled for.

Just my opinion.

But I completely understand your zeal for a good show. I am hooked on Carnivále... alas, it may or may not return for a third season. :(

[ToddW]

yep this is definately a good season

[rickvanr]

I believe it is not acceptable to make a show about events so heavily centered in the American psyche. Poeple in our country have already placed polarized lenses over their eyes on all that has to do with terrorism. With the color alerts, the Patriot Act... this show seems uncalled for.

Just my opinion.

But I completely understand your zeal for a good show. I am hooked on Carnivále... alas, it may or may not return for a third season. :(

I respect your opinion, but this would still be a good show if it was on 10 years ago. I find much of american policy and overreactions regarding terrorism to be a little overboard, but the show is entertaining to me regardless of what is going on in the world. This is really the first season that has had a muslim villain and it's not like the show connects them to real world countries or terrorist groups.

Side note, what's Carnivále?

[mgargan1]

I believe it is not acceptable to make a show about events so heavily centered in the American psyche. Poeple in our country have already placed polarized lenses over their eyes on all that has to do with terrorism. With the color alerts, the Patriot Act... this show seems uncalled for.

Just my opinion.

But I completely understand your zeal for a good show. I am hooked on Carnivále... alas, it may or may not return for a third season. :(

I appreciate your opinion, but if I may say so, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Simple as that.

[Dandaman]

that episode was great. Jack is back doing the crazy things he's usually doing.

[Mr. Durden]

I believe it is not acceptable to make a show about events so heavily centered in the American psyche. Poeple in our country have already placed polarized lenses over their eyes on all that has to do with terrorism. With the color alerts, the Patriot Act... this show seems uncalled for.

Just my opinion.

But I completely understand your zeal for a good show. I am hooked on Carnivále... alas, it may or may not return for a third season. :(

Lighten up. Its a TV show. You know the concept... fictional stories and what not. I guess we shouldnt watch the news either, because of our fragile psychies and all. If you hate the show so much, dont click on the thread. Go start a Carnivale thread...

Anywho... on a less ridiculous note; that episode was pretty alright. I was expecting Jack to pop that lawyer just to get him out of the way, then ask for a hacksaw... (season two reference). Next week will be great, just for the return of.... THE MAN.

[rickvanr]

Anywho... on a less ridiculous note; that episode was pretty alright. I was expecting Jack to pop that lawyer just to get him out of the way, then ask for a hacksaw... (season two reference). Next week will be great, just for the return of.... THE MAN.
I thought he was going to just 'remove' the lawyer and us marshall too.

[2jaded2care]

Last episode wasn't bad except portraying the VP, now acting Pres, as a coward for wanting to go into the bunker. He seems a wanker for other reasons, but that decision shouldn't have been received so scornfully by Novick. I mean, the bad guys just shot down AF1 with a Stealth; the football's in play; they've already kidnapped a cabinet member; melted down some power plants; blown up a train. So naturally the Secret Service would even consider letting the VP sit in the Oval Office to satisfy Novick's inexplicable sense of bravado. Right.

Oh yeah, and Amnesty "Global" trumps US national security? Didn't buy that one under these circumstances. Well, maybe in the 9th Circuit...

Interested to see how a Rep VP gets convinced to let a Dem former Pres to "advise" him -- as if it would not be political suicide (unless Palmer has switched parties).

BTW, thought they did the muslim terrorists in Season 2 with Syed Ali, no?

[sarae]

Last episode wasn't bad except portraying the VP, now acting Pres, as a coward for wanting to go into the bunker. He seems a wanker for other reasons, but that decision shouldn't have been received so scornfully by Novick. I mean, the bad guys just shot down AF1 with a Stealth; the football's in play; they've already kidnapped a cabinet member; melted down some power plants; blown up a train. So naturally the Secret Service would even consider letting the VP sit in the Oval Office to satisfy Novick's inexplicable sense of bravado. Right.

I don't think the problem was that the VP wanted to go into the bunker, it was that he seemed only concerned on his own safety, even once they got into the bunker. He is also unable to make any decisions, and wants to push things off while they don't have time. Understandable if you think about the circumstances that he became Prez, but... doesn't he realize we need to wrap this up in a couple hours? Heh.

Interested to see how a Rep VP gets convinced to let a Dem former Pres to "advise" him -- as if it would not be political suicide (unless Palmer has switched parties).


Again, under these circumstances, I really don't feel like it is that big of a political problem. It's not like he's taking Palmer on as a full time advisor, or that he has to do whatever Palmer says. The decision is ultimately his, and being the wishy-washy sort, I think it would be good for him to talk to someone who has been through national crises before. Then again, I adore Palmer and ever since I heard he was coming back, I wanted him to be an advisor. I really don't think the public would care that "oh no, when we were attacked, our new President asked for advice from an old Prez!"

[rickvanr]

Wow, that episode was intense, Chloe is a champ. Needed more Palmer. I'll wait until the West Coast gets a chance to watch to say more...

[Rod Rod]

Wow, that episode was intense, Chloe is a champ. Needed more Palmer. I'll wait until the West Coast gets a chance to watch to say more...
Yup finally Chloe gets to kick some ass (reluctantly anyway).

[rickvanr]

did you see the preview for the next episode? It looked like the Chinese or an Asian embassy, but that really doesn't make sense... or does it? I wasn't wearing my glasses.

[sarae]

did you see the preview for the next episode? It looked like the Chinese or an Asian embassy, but that really doesn't make sense... or does it? I wasn't wearing my glasses.

Don't know much about embassies in general, but maybe North Korea? They prolly don't have an embassy, let alone in LA ... but then again, this is 24! :p

[ColoJohnBoy]

Help!!! I was on the phone for the entire last half of the show and completely missed who/what/when/where/why President Palmer came back!! Honestly, I miss the character so much. I've wanted to bitch-slap most of the new cast this season, especially William Devane. (He's always annoyed me. The punk.) Anyhow, I digress. Let me know what happened! Thanks!

[Rod Rod]

Help!!! I was on the phone for the entire last half of the show and completely missed who/what/when/where/why President Palmer came back!! Honestly, I miss the character so much. I've wanted to bitch-slap most of the new cast this season, especially William Devane. (He's always annoyed me. The punk.) Anyhow, I digress. Let me know what happened! Thanks!
Yup, Palmer was called by the new President (Logan) to lead the anti-terror effort because Logan knew he totally messed up by sending the Secret Service to get Bauer, thereby helping Marwan escape through the tunnels. The new President acknowledged his error, released Bauer and Palmer is on his way to a face-to-face meeting w/Logan to hash out / make clear the terms of the arrangement. That's sort of redeeming because I was thinking Logan was a bad guy.

[notjustjay]

Go Chloe!!! :eek:

Some seriously good facial expressions in this episode. I liked Novick's little "you totally, utterly and completely royally screwed up everything -- and I hate to say I told you so" stare when the President realizes his big mistake.

[Vader]

Go Chloe!!! :eek:

Some seriously good facial expressions in this episode. I liked Novick's little "you totally, utterly and completely royally screwed up everything -- and I hate to say I told you so" stare when the President realizes his big mistake.
Then Pres is all like, danggit! I screwed up everything, it is all my fault, I want to quit!

[ColoJohnBoy]

Awww, darn it. I was kind of hoping that after Palmer resigned he would run for Congress and become Speaker of the House and Logan would eff up major and the cabinet would invoke the 25th Amendment (for the 3rd time in the series) thus making Palmer President again! But alas... I just hope he becomes a regular character again in the next seasons.

[sarae]

Then Pres is all like, danggit! I screwed up everything, it is all my fault, I want to quit!


I'll say one nice thing about that pres, he has the BEST flabbergasted, what-the-heck-do-I-do? expression. I think there was one clip as they cut to the end of the show that was just classic.

[Peyote]

YES! Best episode this season so far!

Bulletproof cop cars, chloe with an m-16, and her typical smart assed comments, a limp-d*ck president, jack arrested and released, edgar being a b*tch and chloe getting him in trouble with Tony then giving him that look...there was too much to love about tonight's episode!

[Mr. Durden]

CHLOE! CHLOE! CHLOE! Holy hell. Best episode in a while. I always hated her character, but wowser did she win me over with that M-16 (or whatever). And Palmer coming back is total sweetness. Please just give me 5 more episodes as good as this one (or is it 4?)

[notjustjay]

(potential spoiler, though this is really just speculation)


I wonder if Chloe is one of the characters they were planning to kill off this season. She's just been given the chance to play the hero, and it almost seems like she and Edgar are on the road to making peace with each other...

Possible?

[killuminati]

wow being on the westcoast really puts me behind in the 24 discussion :p

But anyways......THAT WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE. It was just like the good old days from season 1 - Jack working against orders, ctu being ambushed in a house, palmer being there (:D)

:D, I'm just very happy right now and can't wait till next week.

Speaking of next week, the preview looked interesting. I wonder what this asian goverment building (embassy?) has to do with the plot?

Oooh, I have to go rewatch the episode now.

[sirius1722]

Geeks with guns! Go Chloe!! She's been getting on my nerves all season, but when she finally kicked some boo-tay, I admit, I cheered. Being my first season, I don't really know Palmer, but he's obviously the man, besides Jack, of course.

Great episode this week. Makes up for the kind of slump they were having.

PS- Audrey is REALLY getting on my nerves.... and we haven't seen nor heard from Heller in a while....

[emw]

(potential spoiler, though this is really just speculation)


I wonder if Chloe is one of the characters they were planning to kill off this season. She's just been given the chance to play the hero, and it almost seems like she and Edgar are on the road to making peace with each other...

Possible?Dunno about that one. They had their chance last night and didn't take it. I don't think they'll whack Chloe.

I have to say, this was one of my favorite episodes this season. Especially Chloe with the M-16. Awesome. I thought she was going to walk up to him and shoot him a few more times...

[emw]

PS- Audrey is REALLY getting on my nerves.... and we haven't seen nor heard from Heller in a while....No kidding - they've destroyed her character for me.

As for Heller, I was wondering about that myself - you'd think he'd be advising the president or something. He's probably out working with the terrorists.

[Mr. Durden]

PS- Audrey is REALLY getting on my nerves.... and we haven't seen nor heard from Heller in a while....

I hear ya. I hope maybe for some reason jack gets to/has to feed her some lead. I cant stand people like that. One second she behind you all the way, the next, you get the feeling a knife will be in your back any second.

Oh yeah. Anyone else think its kind of funny that they have tortured like 8 other people previously in the episode, but now everyone is trying to take the moral high ground about this last guy? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. AND... the one guy that people are all up in arms about torturing is the one person who actually knew something. Did anyone else they have tortured actually have any info? I dont think so.

[sarae]

No kidding - they've destroyed her character for me.

As for Heller, I was wondering about that myself - you'd think he'd be advising the president or something. He's probably out working with the terrorists.


The last time we saw Heller it was 9pm-10pm. He had just gotten off the phone w/ the prez - or so he said - and was supposed to be meeting someone for an interview "in a secure location." I think he also said that he would check in with Audrey. I'm not a fan of the Audrey storyline, so I don't really care that she's being kept more off the air this way, but I am curious as to what Heller is really up to. I can't imagine his meeting would go on this long w/o calling into CTU, especially after AF1 went down.

Maybe he got captured again, and no one knows yet!

[killuminati]

Being my first season, I don't really know Palmer, but he's obviously the man, besides Jack, of course.

Really, well if this is your first season I suggest renting the first season dvd. In my opinion the first season was twice as good as this (not saying this season is bad its just that season 1 was really good).

[skubish]

wow being on the westcoast really puts me behind in the 24 discussion :p

But anyways......THAT WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE. It was just like the good old days from season 1 - Jack working against orders, ctu being ambushed in a house, palmer being there (:D)

:D, I'm just very happy right now and can't wait till next week.

Speaking of next week, the preview looked interesting. I wonder what this asian goverment building (embassy?) has to do with the plot?

Oooh, I have to go rewatch the episode now.

The flags in that embassy were for North Korea. I am speculating here but maybe the terrorists are planning to set off the bomb in the N. Korean embassy and somehow blame it on America to start a war.

PS. My wife never watched 24 with me until this season when she found out that Marwan is the actor who played Imhotep in The Mummy. She likes that actor. :confused:

[killuminati]

PS. My wife never watched 24 with me until this season when she found out that Marwan is the actor who played Imhotep in The Mummy. She likes that actor. :confused:

haha what a random thing to say

[mgargan1]

I still don;t like chloe, but I dislike her a little less now. Man, anyone yelling at the TV when Logan had Jack arrested?

Speaking of not hearing from Heller in a while, I really am curious as to how Heller's son was involved in all this.

[killuminati]

I still don;t like chloe, but I dislike her a little less now. Man, anyone yelling at the TV when Logan had Jack arrested?


Don't even get me started on Logan. I just wanted to bitch slap him sometimes. I loved when Buchanen told him that the mission failed and Logan realised it was his fault and Mike was giving him the 'you should have listened to me look'. (sorry for that run-on sentence)

[Dandaman]

Don't even get me started on Logan. I just wanted to bitch slap him sometimes. I loved when Buchanen told him that the mission failed and Logan realised it was his fault and Mike was giving him the 'you should have listened to me look'. (sorry for that run-on sentence)

ArGHHHH!!!!! Logan is such a moron!!! He looks like he's about to bust out in tears whenever the camera's on him. I hope Palmer goes there and slaps him silly when he finds out what he did.

[killuminati]

ArGHHHH!!!!! Logan is such a moron!!! He looks like he's about to bust out in tears whenever the camera's on him. I hope Palmer goes there and slaps him silly when he finds out what he did.


Yea, I hope that Logan just becomes Palmer's puppet. I would very much like to see him running things again. :)

[jefhatfield]

Yea, I hope that Logan just becomes Palmer's puppet. I would very much like to see him running things again. :)


in reality, president logan would just use the services of former president palmer...but in the world of 24, it will bring palmer back as president...grover cleveland style

[SilentPanda]

PauuuuuuulllllllllLL!!!!!!

:(

Me thinks that he just lost a girlfriend...

[Kwyjibo]

PauuuuuuulllllllllLL!!!!!!

:(

Me thinks that he just lost a girlfriend...

I totally told my family that was going to happen exactly. they did not believe until they saw ... I think audrey was planning on leaving jack after he did all his crazy jack bauer things today ... I firmly believe that jack will die this season ... he's becoming both super and inhuman. They never keep around characters that display traits that far above and outside of normal humans.

Jack ruined this for himself kinda ... what i've noticed is that ever since terry died, anybody elses family is like a poker chip to jack ... pre S1 he wasn't as cold, and then it just got worse.

[killuminati]

Jack ruined this for himself kinda ... what i've noticed is that ever since terry died, anybody elses family is like a poker chip to jack ... pre S1 he wasn't as cold, and then it just got worse.

I'v also noticed that. In season one Jack was a lot more emotional yada yada yada. Now he is much more coldhearted.

I thought this was one of the worse episodes. It wasnt very exciting except for the end.

[MacNut]

What happened to the Secretary of State. He hasn't been around in like 5 episodes. Everyone else has returned this season so will we see Kim before the day is done?

[killuminati]

What happened to the Secretary of State. He hasn't been around in like 5 episodes.

The Secretary of State is probably in the State office.

The Secretary of Defense on the other hand, is in some martial law meeting that he went to a long long time ago.

[emw]

I definitely wasn't so impressed with this issue. Paul dying was a given - as soon as they told them they were bringing the Chinese guy in, and Paul started having problems, it was obvious.

And the whole "this has to be a secret" thing with the embassy - why the hell was Tony displaying the infrared satellite imagery on a huge screen at CTU instead of his computer? And why did he tell Bill about the whole mission?

I expected more after last week's episode, but at least next week's looks to be a little better. Now I can look forward to Lost...

[clykins90]

I really enjoyed it.

For all you people that are saying: "Jacks so cold-hearted".

He had to make a choice REALLY quick. Save the guy who saved you, or save the guy that can save millions.

Having Audrey there just added to the intensity.

[killuminati]

I really enjoyed it.

For all you people that are saying: "Jacks so cold-hearted".

He had to make a choice REALLY quick. Save the guy who saved you, or save the guy that can save millions.

Having Audrey there just added to the intensity.

I agree I think that Jack made the right choice for the good of the country.

[sarae]

Yeah, I definitely Jack's call was a no-brainer (considering he was a CTU agent for so long and not simply a bystander) but I liked how the whole ep ended - not like last week's blazing glory (i.e. Chloe) but instead with Jack, confused and almost remorseful for the first time in awhile. Kind of set up the idea that they may not succeed this year (erm, or this day) unlike other years. While I always root for the good guy, I admit that it gets to be kind of boring if you know that in the last episode, Jack will come through and save the day.

I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, so I'll write it in white text anyways:
On IMDB, it claims that Chase was back in this episode, and will be for the rest of the season. Are their dates off by a week, or did I COMPLETELY miss something so huge as the return of an old character? I'm going to be very embarrassed if I missed it!

[killuminati]

I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, so I'll write it in white text anyways:


no that never happened. Maybe next episode though :)

[sarae]

no that never happened. Maybe next episode though :)

Okay, whew! I was thinking I was going nuts, even though I watched the whole thing.

You might want to change the text to grey in the quoted area, just so no one reads it unless they want to.

[killuminati]

Okay, whew! I was thinking I was going nuts, even though I watched the whole thing.

You might want to change the text to grey in the quoted area, just so no one reads it unless they want to.

oh your right, thanks for that.

Edit: hahaha, I couldnt find the right colour for the quote so I had to take it out :p

[Mr. Durden]

Excellent episode. It seems they are picking up some steam again after several weeks of less than great episodes. It would have been much more dramatic if the doctor had refused to stop working on Paul and so then Jack shot Paul, KA-BLAM KA-BLAM!!! "He's dead. Now you've got a new patient"

And I know I've said this before, but please please please please let someone SHOOT AUDREY! What a biz-nitch.

Only 3 (or 4?) episodes left and its shaping up to be a good finale. One thought, though. The bomb is supposed to go off any second now, or within 2 hours, and there are at least 3 episodes left (or 4, cant remember). Could that mean that perhaps they dont stop the bomb, but afterwards are still chasing "the mummy" to bring him to justice? Probably not, but its a possibility...

[killuminati]

Only 3 (or 4?) episodes left and its shaping up to be a good finale. One thought, though. The bomb is supposed to go off any second now, or within 2 hours, and there are at least 3 episodes left (or 4, cant remember). Could that mean that perhaps they dont stop the bomb, but afterwards are still chasing "the mummy" to bring him to justice? Probably not, but its a possibility...

Thats what I was thinking. Maybe thats what their saving the silent clock for :p

[e²Studios]

Excellent episode. It seems they are picking up some steam again after several weeks of less than great episodes. It would have been much more dramatic if the doctor had refused to stop working on Paul and so then Jack shot Paul, KA-BLAM KA-BLAM!!! "He's dead. Now you've got a new patient"

And I know I've said this before, but please please please please let someone SHOOT AUDREY! What a biz-nitch.

Only 3 (or 4?) episodes left and its shaping up to be a good finale. One thought, though. The bomb is supposed to go off any second now, or within 2 hours, and there are at least 3 episodes left (or 4, cant remember). Could that mean that perhaps they dont stop the bomb, but afterwards are still chasing "the mummy" to bring him to justice? Probably not, but its a possibility...

there are 3 espisodes left.. I WANT MORE!!! for someone that doesnt watch TV i have become hopelessy addicted to this show, I love it! Anyone else see the extreme use of Apple products in it too, or am i just too much of a geek?

And yes Audry is becoming a bit "too much" kinda like the woman that got killed off in the office building earlier in the season..

Ed

[killuminati]

Anyone else see the extreme use of Apple products in it too, or am i just too much of a geek?
Ed

Eh?

What season are you watching? In the first 3 seasons all the good guys used macs but this season I havent noticed any.

[e²Studios]

Eh?

What season are you watching? In the first 3 seasons all the good guys used macs but this season I havent noticed any.

Wasn't that guys laptop that Chloe got from the house a powerbook?

I've seen them in this season.. really... *squints eyes*

Ed

[denm316]

I think it was Season 3 when almost everything in CTU was Apple. I remember when they first showed Jack in his office, he had a Cienam display and a PowerMac G5, this was when Apple was still having shipping problems with the Rev A's. But I guess CTU gets them before us ordinary people...LOL.

[killuminati]

Wasn't that guys laptop that Chloe got from the house a powerbook?


I just checked and no, its definately not a powerbook.

[Mr. Durden]

I think it was Season 3 when almost everything in CTU was Apple. I remember when they first showed Jack in his office, he had a Cienam display and a PowerMac G5, this was when Apple was still having shipping problems with the Rev A's. But I guess CTU gets them before us ordinary people...LOL.

Yeah. The earlier seasons had TONS of Apple stuff. Everywhere you looked, there was something Apple. All the displays and CPUs where Apple. They slowly got phased out. I guess Dell and/or whomever dropped more cash on the product placement. Too bad. The Apples were definately much sexier.

[jamdr]

I really liked that episode. It was a slow go for a while there, but the last two episodes have been really good. I think the dynamic between Jack and Audrey is good and really adds to the tension. I also don't think they made Jack out to be too cold-hearted. It was obvious it was hard for him to make the decision, but it was also something he had to do. And then he kept trying to revive Paul even after he was dead, so he did feel bad about it.

I also like what they're doing with Tony and Michelle. It wouldn't have been very interesting at all if they came back after last season all married and happy. I'm looking forward to tonight's episode (although I usually don't get around to watching it for a few days).

[Kwyjibo]

It was obvious it was hard for him to make the decision, but it was also something he had to do.


no, it wasn't hard for him to make the decision... at all, he didn't have any problem stopping the doctor all he said was " you don't know that" (re: paul will die if he stops operating) , if anything he sort of had trouble living with the decision he made but I do believe he's becoming inhuman in a way and those characters don't last forever. Jack feels bad but not for a second did he question whether or not he made the right choice.

[Mr. Durden]

...Jack feels bad but not for a second did he question whether or not he made the right choice.

Of course not. It was the right decision. At the end of last season, Jack sat and cried in his car for a moment, before he drove off to take care of something else. Its not that he is a heartless person, its just that he knows that decisions have to be made, and the emotional toll will have to be paid later.

And I think its intentional that the writters keep making him more and more bad-azz and "cold hearted". He didnt start out season one that way. In fact maybe he was a bit of a softy, but by the end of the season, he was a changed (maybe damaged) man, and each season he has to take more and more drastic measures to keep the country safe. Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

[Rod Rod]

The questions about Heller's son's loyalty to his country may be answered next week, and Defense Sec. Heller finally returns on screen.

How many of us would stay awake for a full 24 hours if Fox were to broadcast (for the first time) all the episodes in a row? And -- how many people who have DVRs would still watch it for 24 hours straight when it first aired?

[emw]

Hmmm, I wonder if Cisco paid any advertising money to Fox on this episode... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I thought this was generally a pretty good episode. Makes you wonder about how all the diplomatic crap works in real life - obviously this is a fictional situation, but you know that type of thing (cover-ups, plausible denial) happens all the time.

[killuminati]

I thought it was an average episode. Interesting but not on the edge of your seat suspense.

The ending however was amazing.

Oh PS:

I'm gona kill Richard. WHAT DID HE DO?!?!?!/

[Mr. Durden]

That was a pretty darn good episode. I cant put my finger on it, but my stomach was in a know by the end of it. And then the way it ends, OMG! Edgar is such a putz. Only two more episodes left.

How much you wanna bet that the guy whos mask got lifted and they got a picture of him, is gonna get thrown to the dogs as a way to save face? Kind of a "we didnt know what he was up to, but he's part of this extremist anti-chinese faction working undercover at CTU, but you can have him..." type thing. I think it was said several times "somebody is gonna have to take the fall for this".

[atszyman]

That was a pretty darn good episode. I cant put my finger on it, but my stomach was in a know by the end of it. And then the way it ends, OMG! Edgar is such a putz. Only two more episodes left.

How much you wanna bet that the guy whos mask got lifted and they got a picture of him, is gonna get thrown to the dogs as a way to save face? Kind of a "we didnt know what he was up to, but he's part of this extremist anti-chinese faction working undercover at CTU, but you can have him..." type thing. I think it was said several times "somebody is gonna have to take the fall for this".

I felt more tense with this episode than I have in a long time.

I think you are right that someone will have to take the fall for the embassy raid but I believe it will be Jack. Jack will admit to leading the raid without the knowledge of the government to protect the US. Season 5 will then open with Jack being released from a Chinese prison. They've already managed to burn most of his bridges with Audrey so there is nothing to keep him around.

[sarae]

And then the way it ends, OMG! Edgar is such a putz. Only two more episodes left.

How much you wanna bet that the guy whos mask got lifted and they got a picture of him, is gonna get thrown to the dogs as a way to save face? Kind of a "we didnt know what he was up to, but he's part of this extremist anti-chinese faction working undercover at CTU, but you can have him..." type thing. I think it was said several times "somebody is gonna have to take the fall for this".

All this time we were led to believe that Edgar was in over his head and he was going to flip out and forget to do some crucial data processing information... but no, everything's going down because he isn't a liar (or wasn't told to lie.)

I feel bad for the guy with the missing mask.. but dude, he should have said something! Of course there's going to be security cameras! They could have gotten him out of town earlier, gotten a story all set up! But I don't think he's going to take the fall, I think it's going to be Jack. I don't think he's coming back for another year, or at least not for the full thing.

Man, the previews for next week look exciting! The one problem with this "no repeat" format is that.. I'm so used to a new episode each week! What will I do without my 24? :eek:

[sarae]

Jack will admit to leading the raid without the knowledge of the government to protect the US. Season 5 will then open with Jack being released from a Chinese prison. They've already managed to burn most of his bridges with Audrey so there is nothing to keep him around.

Didn't read your reply before submitting my earlier one. I really don't think Jack will be in/be the main focus of Season 5. But it might be interesting if the nuclear bomb actually does go off, causing massive damage. Not because that would be a good thing, but it would definitely be interesting to see the type of world they'd portray - CTU is no longer the victorious team who wins in the last minute.

[atszyman]

Didn't read your reply before submitting my earlier one. I really don't think Jack will be in/be the main focus of Season 5. But it might be interesting if the nuclear bomb actually does go off, causing massive damage. Not because that would be a good thing, but it would definitely be interesting to see the type of world they'd portray - CTU is no longer the victorious team who wins in the last minute.

Jack may not be the main focus but he will definitely show up in season 5 (if there is one). I was absolutely positive during season 3 that they were grooming Chase to be his replacement for season 4 and were going to kill of or get rid of Jack somehow. Even if Jack is not the main focus of season 5 his release from Chinese prison will play a fairly important role.

Of course this is all complete speculation and since my prediction from season 3 was proven false I'm sure this prediction will also be wrong.

[sarae]

I was absolutely positive during season 3 that they were grooming Chase to be his replacement for season 4 and were going to kill of or get rid of Jack somehow. Even if Jack is not the main focus of season 5 his release from Chinese prison will play a fairly important role.

Of course this is all complete speculation and since my prediction from season 3 was proven false I'm sure this prediction will also be wrong.

Yeah, I was originally thinking that next year would be Day 5: The Chinese War, and that Jack would get killed off. (Or, like you said, released from prison just in time to save the day at the end.) We'll find out next week how good my prediction was, as there's still a chance it will still prove true.

[killuminati]

Did any of you watch 24 inside? They interviewed the actor who plays edgar. He is COMPLETELY different that Edgar. Hes actually got a great sense of humour.

[Mr. Durden]

Did any of you watch 24 inside? They interviewed the actor who plays edgar. He is COMPLETELY different that Edgar. Hes actually got a great sense of humour.

Whats "24 inside"? Was that a special show or was it on like Entertainment Weekly or something? Did they interview any others? Come on, spill the beans.

[rickvanr]

Whats "24 inside"? Was that a special show or was it on like Entertainment Weekly or something? Did they interview any others? Come on, spill the beans.

It's a 24 news show, broadcasted online on www.fox.com.

[killuminati]

Every couple episodes they do one, and they interview a certain member of the cast.

http://www.fox.com/24/24inside

[Mr. Durden]

Every couple episodes they do one, and they interview a certain member of the cast.

http://www.fox.com/24/24inside


I cant believe I havent been checking this out. In the past, when I went to the site, it was all pretty generic stuff, and info about past episodes, etc. So I got bored and never went back. Thanks, yall.

[killuminati]

I cant believe I havent been checking this out. In the past, when I went to the site, it was all pretty generic stuff, and info about past episodes, etc. So I got bored and never went back. Thanks, yall.

haha, your welcome.

This weeks will be probably be the last interview as it will be with Marwan. So far every 'bad' guy who has been on the interviews has been killed (well its only been Dina and Behrooz :p).

[Kwyjibo]

wow .... I wonder if michelle will break the rules to save tony ... now that she loves him again and for the fact that he did it for her

[emw]

wow .... I wonder if michelle will break the rules to save tony ... now that she loves him again and for the fact that he did it for her
I thought Tony would get offed.

Is it just me, or has everything been a little too easy for the bad guys lately? Oh, well, the next two hours should be interesting.

[Kwyjibo]

right now I would rather have marwann's men on my side than any CTU security team .... they get stuff done.

[Rod Rod]

The girl in today's episode has to be one of the baddest villains ever, pimping her boy toy on Richard Heller to bug Heller's cell phone, and disposing of the bi guy pretty much right after getting some use out of him.

Other than the recap at the beginning there was no mention of the Chinese issue.

The Palmer / Logan exchange for Ashton's consumption was pretty clever.

I'm with emw in thinking Tony's about to die. I doubt Michelle can do anything to save him.

[killuminati]

I have to say that was a less than satisfactory episode.

the ending was exciting but come on....nothing really happened.

I definaately think this will be Tonys last day.

[Skull21]

Looks like Tony will not be around for the next season.

[Dandaman]

Did anyone catch that line by Mike about President Logan getting advice from President Palmer? "He's in good hands." hahaha, that's hilarious.

daniel

[sarae]

Did anyone catch that line by Mike about President Logan getting advice from President Palmer? "He's in good hands." hahaha, that's hilarious.

daniel


I can't believe I missed that! That's freaking hilarious.

I think they're setting us up too much to be thinking that Tony's about to get killed. Someone from CTU definitely has to get killed next week, but I doubt (hope!) they wouldn't foreshadow quite that much. I still think that there's a good chance that Jack'll be the one to bite it. (Not that I want it to happen!)

[Kwyjibo]

The girl in today's episode has to be one of the baddest villains ever, pimping her boy toy on Richard Heller to bug Heller's cell phone, and disposing of the bi guy pretty much right after getting some use out of him.

Not to mention stealing the photographers ID in S1 and sky diving off the plane into the desert, and Poisoning palmer in s2 ... yeah its all her. Mandy is the new super villan

[Dandaman]

I think they're setting us up too much to be thinking that Tony's about to get killed. Someone from CTU definitely has to get killed next week, but I doubt (hope!) they wouldn't foreshadow quite that much. I still think that there's a good chance that Jack'll be the one to bite it. (Not that I want it to happen!)


I agree. They are setting it up too much. I almost hope that he doesn't die because it was so predictable. Maybe Michelle will sacrifice herself for Tony. Who knows? 24 loses its edge when things become to predictable.

[sarae]

This is really nitpicky, but was anyone else annoyed when Tony was telling Michelle that they needed to leave their jobs and start over?

He DOESN'T WORK AT CTU. He doesn't have a job beyond that day! What is he thinking! Argh! It's just like Jack resigning so he could torture that guy.. he wouldn't give his resignation to Buchanen.

[Mr. Durden]

Not to mention stealing the photographers ID in S1 and sky diving off the plane into the desert, and Poisoning palmer in s2 ... yeah its all her. Mandy is the new super villan

I thought that was her! I couldnt tell for sure, but it sure seemed like it. Its odd that her parts are always so short, then she disappears and we never see her again (until the next season). Has she shown up in every season?

[Skull21]

I thought that was her! I couldnt tell for sure, but it sure seemed like it. Its odd that her parts are always so short, then she disappears and we never see her again (until the next season). Has she shown up in every season?
Not season 3.

[starcrossed]

i'm glad Mandy's back, hopefully if she is captured will begin to finally find out the true story behind her, since see if the only villian that has been tied to nearly every season. maybe we'll discover she is Nina Myers's sister or that they were working together or for the same person. i'm so exicited that we get the 2 hour season finale, with last season's finale ending a lighter note than the past 2, i'm sure this season will end will a bigger shocker.

24 the show that doesn't end until the last second.

[XIII]

This is the bit where we have to guess who's gonna die.. :D

I say Tony.. Its a bit obvious, but they seem to b leaning that way unfortunately, with the obvious Air Force One attacking etc.

[sarae]

This is the bit where we have to guess who's gonna die.. :D

Oooh, I love guessing: I'll put it out there that I think Tony will be shot, and CTU will think he is dead, but he will survive. I'm also guessing (hoping, maybe, since I doubt it will actually happen?) that Jack will be shot at the very end (by Mandy, who runs off to prepare for another season of terror?) and he'll die right as the final seconds tick down - in silence. That'll give Tony a reason to come back next year, he'll stay on to avenge Jack.

That being said, I really don't think I'll be right. Too unpopular.

[killuminati]

I sure hope Tony doesn't die. Not because I don't want him to die (which I don't) but because there would have been way too much foreshadowing.

I hope that someone that we completely wouldn't expect (like palmer[except I sure hope not]) dies.

To me, there haven't really been any huge mindboggling holy ******** ***** twists for me.

I remember in season 1 when you find out that the with terry in the car isn't alan york. The whole season until there you have no reason to doubt that he is. But when you think back on it, there are a few suspicious things that he did. When we found that out I had this feeling in my stomach that I haven't felt on 24 since then.

[Mr. Durden]

Oh goodie...

Guess 1: Jack has to shoot Tony for some reason (in the commercial, he says something like being able to kill him...) TONY DIES.

Guess 2: Jack gets it (been saying this one since the beginning) JACK DIES

Guess 3: It seems to me that "Naked Mandy" (shes been naked in some way every time) is always trying to directly kill the president. Shes never been much of a "terrorist" (in the general sense) as much as an "assassin". So... that leads me to believe that something is directly aimed at the president as opposed to a general terrorist threat... how about... the White House or wherever the V ice President is holed up gets blasted (or something). THE VICE PRESIDENT AND PALMER GET IT

[Toeknee]

Did anybody catch the cast and producers of 24 on charlie rose on pbs tonight? They had them there and were asking them some interesting questions. The number that many people called that flashed on one of the shows was brought up by kiefer who said that they were really surprised by how many people actually cared about the show. He also said that they were already working on the 5th season but didn't want to say if jack would be in it or not. It was really interesting to watch I hope many people caught it.

[ebow]

Did anybody catch the cast and producers of 24 on charlie rose on pbs tonight? They had them there and were asking them some interesting questions. The number that many people called that flashed on one of the shows was brought up by kiefer who said that they were really surprised by how many people actually cared about the show. He also said that they were already working on the 5th season but didn't want to say if jack would be in it or not. It was really interesting to watch I hope many people caught it.

Yeah, I caught about 2/3 of it. I passed by it a few times, not realizing who he was interviewing (I should have paused anyway; Charlie Rose is one of the few interviewers I can stand anymore).

The first part was an interview with Kiefer and two crew members (a writer and a producer? I'm not sure). The second part was an interview with Kiefer and the cast who play Audrey, Marwan, and Tony.

When they were asked about whether they were looking forward to the next season, all looked a bit uncomfortable, though the others more than Jack. I didn't pay much attention to "Audrey" or "Marwan" because I figure they have little reason to appear next year, but I did notice that Carlos Bernard ("Tony") seemed particularly uneasy. The questions also got a bit into whether Jack was expendable. The answer seemed to me to be a hesitant "yes, possibly, perhaps when the audience doesn't believe that Jack could be handling all these crazy days." At least that's the impression I got. Though within a few minutes of that they also said that they don't let the fans / audience set the direction of the show or destiny of the characters. Oh, and Kiefer said he's been misunderstood about not wanting to play jack anymore. He claimed he'd be happy playing that role for the rest of his career.

Edit: If you're really really interested, you'll be able to buy a copy of the transcript here (http://charlierose.com/shop/) once it's posted.

[jefhatfield]

kiefer will probably branch off into music production and/or rodeo again

i can't see him hanging onto 24 forever...five seasons, perhaps, and leaving at the top of the game...ten seasons, like everybody loves raymond or friends or frasier, no way

[sarae]

kiefer will probably branch off into music production and/or rodeo again

i can't see him hanging onto 24 forever...five seasons, perhaps, and leaving at the top of the game...ten seasons, like everybody loves raymond or friends or frasier, no way


I read an interview once where he gave the impression of not really wanting to come back for the third season, because it was going to be too Jack-saves-the-day,-survives-again predictable. So, kill Jack! :(

[jefhatfield]

I read an interview once where he gave the impression of not really wanting to come back for the third season, because it was going to be too Jack-saves-the-day,-survives-again predictable. So, kill Jack! :(

...and bring in fellow lapd detective...michael chicklis (sp?)

before ctu, jack was in the lapd vice squad

and about saving the day every time, look at batman

[XIII]

Ok, with more thinking, heres my up-to-date prediction.. :D

Mandy gets trapped by Jack, and she has something Jack needs to stop the nuke. She is holding Tony hostage.. and the seconds are counting down.. Jack shoots Tony, and then Mandy, and saves the day.. :p

What d'ya think?

[killuminati]

Mandy gets trapped by Jack, and she has something Jack needs to stop the nuke. She is holding Tony hostage.. and the seconds are counting down.. Jack shoots Tony, and then Mandy, and saves the day.. :p

What d'ya think?

Judging by the previews, I wouldn't say thats so far fetched. In the preview you see Mandy holding Tony and jack pointing a gun at both of them, and Mandy says are you going to shoot him jack?

yeap.

[jefhatfield]

Judging by the previews, I wouldn't say thats so far fetched. In the preview you see Mandy holding Tony and jack pointing a gun at both of them, and Mandy says are you going to shoot him jack?

yeap.

we have a pattern here..in a previous season, jack cut off chase's arm to save him...so this time, he will shoot tony in the arm or leg in order to shoot the perp

tony already got shot in the neck so jack won't hit him there, or in the head, so tony will get injured with a bullet, again, but he will live for season 5 of 24

but what will the show do in season 5?

season 1...bosnian terrorists
season 2...president palmer's evil, plotting wife
season 3...drug lord salazar
season 4...marwan

season 5...aliens? an evil kim bauer? an one armed chase turned into a rogue? a salazar relative out to kill jack? nina myer's evil twin sister? jack getting amnesia?

what do you think?

[killuminati]

I'm really excited for tonight. 2 hours of 24 :D

Are any of you having any 24 parties? My friend's having about 20 people over tonight for the finale.

[jefhatfield]

I'm really excited for tonight. 2 hours of 24 :D

Are any of you having any 24 parties? My friend's having about 20 people over tonight for the finale.

my only friend i know who is seriously tv addicted likes to watch big time wrestling which is on, in this market, at the same time as 24

his friends, who are mostly defense department/current and ex-military folk, action packed/adventure movie/tv types, also go with the wrestling so none of them watch 24...it was stupid for FOX to put 24 on at the same time as wrestling

i don't know how people feel about triple h, the heartbreak kid, and the rock where you live, but here in rural northern california, it is a religion and perhaps the biggest tv sport

you wouldn't believe who watches wrestling because you will find artists, stay at home moms, and people with advanced degrees

...as stupid as wwf/wwe is, i have to admit it is incredibly entertaining and hard not to watch (like howard stern or jerry springer) :)

[Mr. Durden]

I'm really excited for tonight. 2 hours of 24 :D

Are any of you having any 24 parties? My friend's having about 20 people over tonight for the finale.

No parties really, but my wife did post pone a trip to California by one day so we could watch it together tonight...

Its bitter sweet because I cant wait to watch it, but also dont want it to be over and not see it again until next year. Thats painful.

[Kwyjibo]

his friends, who are mostly defense department/current and ex-military folk, action packed/adventure movie/tv types, also go with the wrestling so none of them watch 24...it was stupid for FOX to put 24 on at the same time as wrestling...as stupid as wwf/wwe is, i have to admit it is incredibly entertaining and hard not to watch (like howard stern or jerry springer) :)

I really disagree with most of that Jef, of the people I talk to 18 - 24 males more watch 24 than wrestling, the only wrestling talk i've heard in the past two years has been reminiscent of the old days. Its not very popular here in the heartland and 24 is doing pretty well in its time slot. I think its right where it needs to be.

[hob]

I really disagree with most of that Jef, of the people I talk to 18 - 24 males more watch 24 than wrestling, the only wrestling talk i've heard in the past two years has been reminiscent of the old days. Its not very popular here in the heartland and 24 is doing pretty well in its time slot. I think its right where it needs to be.
heh - sexual harassment panda!

I watch 24, but I don't know anyone else my age that really does...! It's soooo cheesy! Most of my friends take one look at it and walk away chuckling! (then again, these are the same friends that get excited about smallville :rolleyes: )

[jefhatfield]

I really disagree with most of that Jef, of the people I talk to 18 - 24 males more watch 24 than wrestling, the only wrestling talk i've heard in the past two years has been reminiscent of the old days. Its not very popular here in the heartland and 24 is doing pretty well in its time slot. I think its right where it needs to be.


i am with you, on liking "24" over wwe/wwf/wcw

but the folks i am talking about are fbi agents, former fbi agents, former rangers now with dod, and soldiers and family of first strike elite army mountain fighters all stationed here (former ft. ord, seaside, california)

your "heartland" may mean dad and mom's kids who went to some high school near a dairy farm, but the crowd i am talking about "are" real life jack bauers, or were, and they prefer the ropes, slamming, and verbal confrontations of big time wrestling...go figure ;)

the only thing i can figure is that it's like how dr. dean edell, radio md, likened real doctors not liking tv shows about medicine...i am a pc tech and i wouldn't want to watch a tv show completely about fixing pc boxes and working over network protocols

[Kwyjibo]

i am with you, on liking "24" over wwe/wwf/wcw

but the folks i am talking about are fbi agents, former fbi agents, former rangers now with dod, and soldiers and family of first strike elite army mountain fighters all stationed here (former ft. ord, seaside, california)

your "heartland" may mean dad and mom's kids who went to some high school near a dairy farm, but the crowd i am talking about "are" real life jack bauers, or were, and they prefer the ropes, slamming, and verbal confrontations of big time wrestling...go figure ;)

the only thing i can figure is that it's like how dr. dean edell, radio md, likened real doctors not liking tv shows about medicine...i am a pc tech and i wouldn't want to watch a tv show completely about fixing pc boxes and working over network protocols

I'm glad you clarified that a bit, when I say heartland I mean the Midwest in general ... not the farm by any means. My high school had 3300 students, I graduated in a class of 800, I don't consider it the smallest of towns and its not that this was the only high school in the area, I have 10 friends who went to schools of similar size in a reasonable distance ... aka the suburbs of chicago.

I can see friends really in the field not liking it, movies and tv have to bend realism to fit plots .... we enjoy it because we know no better but they do.

ABOUT THE FINALE

wow Bauer > *, Hear no Evil .... I want to see whats gonna happen next year .... lets countdown the months.

[imac9556]

Wow. After trying to get time to watch every episode this 24 "season", I felt that the ending was great. It leaves you wanting for MORE!! lol :)
So, will the next season start next year in 2006? If so, I better try to get the earlier seasons on DVD because this was the 1st time I've watched the 24 series.
By the way, what was the stuff that made Jack come back to life? Is it some fantasy/fake medicine that CTU has again? :p

[ebow]

By the way, what was the stuff that made Jack come back to life? Is it some fantasy/fake medicine that CTU has again? :p

Nope, that's epinephrine--a.k.a adrenaline. A shot of it straight into the heart can restart it. Here's the Wikipedia entry on Epinephrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine). You may also remember it from Pulp Fiction (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050218.html).

[Kwyjibo]

Nope, that's epinephrine--a.k.a adrenaline. A shot of it straight into the heart can restart it. Here's the Wikipedia entry on Epinephrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine). You may also remember it from Pulp Fiction (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050218.html).


wow ... that should be the reference everyone thinks of because every time i hear epinephrine i think of that ...

i thought jack was gonna die, i feel wrong.

[ebow]

wow ... that should be the reference everyone thinks of because every time i hear epinephrine i think of that ...

i thought jack was gonna die, i feel wrong.

Well technically he did die. Kinda sorta.

Do you think that Michelle's boss from Division (damn, I already forgot his name, and it's not on the 24 site) was in on the deception? It doesn't seem like they had time to plan it that well. Plus he looked truly stunned as he told Audrey. Yet somehow Chloe was in on it?

And now for some wild speculation on next season... Jack works independently to shadow and covertly assist the CTU crew as theydeal with some sort of China-originated problem. Curtis and Division boss-man play bigger roles. Meanwhile the Chinese have a pretty good idea Jack is still alive and are hunting him down... Nah.

[dejo]

Do you think that Michelle's boss from Division (damn, I already forgot his name, and it's not on the 24 site) was in on the deception?

I got the feeling he didn't know.

P.S. His name was Bill Buchanan.

[ghostee]

If so, I better try to get the earlier seasons on DVD because this was the 1st time I've watched the 24 series.

Same here. I ordered the first season from Amazon.com yesterday, should arrive Wednesday. :D

Although this was the only season I've ever watched, and I think I caught almost all of it, I must say it was flat out amazing. Some of the best TV out there IMHO. Until 2006, it's back to The Shield, and the 24 DVD's.

[sarae]

Well technically he did die. Kinda sorta.

Best of both worlds.. those of us who thought he was going to die were right.. kinda. And those who thought he'd save the day are also right. Sets him up for a sweeps return next year, lol.

Do you think that Michelle's boss from Division (damn, I already forgot his name, and it's not on the 24 site) was in on the deception? It doesn't seem like they had time to plan it that well. Plus he looked truly stunned as he told Audrey. Yet somehow Chloe was in on it?

I don't think Buchanen knew.. gotta keep it small so no one knows. But Chloe needed to be told - she probably "broke" the feeds into the section where Jack was hiding, and was going to set it up with the Coroner.

[killuminati]

That was a great finale. The saddest line was Palmer saying to Jack "For all intents and purposes, Jack Bauer is dead."

It really left me wondering about next season. How will they involve Jack? OR will they???

[sarae]

That was a great finale. The saddest line was Palmer saying to Jack "For all intents and purposes, Jack Bauer is dead."



Yeah, that was really sad. :( Maybe CTU will hire this new guy who looks just like Jack, only with brown hair, named, uh, Back Jauer. Or not.

I liked the finale overall; I was kind of annoyed that they showed the clip of Jack telling Mandy he'd kill Tony if need be as a teaser last week, because then I knew Tony wasn't killed in the explosion. Oh well.

[MacNut]

All I have to say is wow, But I do hate how Fox ruined the explosion with the teaser. If they left it out it would of made it that much more dramatic. I think the acting was maybe the best in a while when Michele broke down after seeing the car explode was just great acting, IMO. Will we see Palmer again I wonder. One thing I noticed after the whole season is that if they are there 24 hrs straight were they shaving every 4 hrs to not get a shadow or was it an oversight in the continuity.

[atszyman]

All I have to say is wow, But I do hate how Fox ruined the explosion with the teaser. If they left it out it would of made it that much more dramatic. I think the acting was maybe the best in a while when Michele broke down after seeing the car explode was just great acting, IMO. Will we see Palmer again I wonder. One thing I noticed after the whole season is that if they are there 24 hrs straight were they shaving every 4 hrs to not get a shadow or was it an oversight in the continuity.

Well the shaving thing is easy if they grow facial hair like me. I usually shave once a week. The most I need to shave if I need to look good all week is every 36 hours. I have a goatee that took forever to fill in, but my wife likes it so I keep it.

I think next season will be the last. With 5 seasons it allows for one of Fox's secondary stations (FX) to run a week of 24 by putting them all back to back. It would work better if they all started at the same time but that's a minor quibble.

[Lacero]

Problem with 24 is in 10 days, these actors will age a whole decade! I guess the whole stress of their jobs causes it, because if you look from season 1, they've all aged quite rapidly.

[atszyman]

Problem with 24 is in 10 days, these actors will age a whole decade! I guess the whole stress of their jobs causes it, because if you look from season 1, they've all aged quite rapidly.

Of course they don't fill in how long it is between days.

Season 1: Palmer campaigning.
Season 2: Palmer as president
Season 3: Palmer campaigning again (so about 4 years have passed)
Season 4: Sometime in the presidency of Palmer's successor
Season 5: Palmer runs for president again?

So we are looking at roughly 2 years between seasons on average so far (assuming that there is an upcoming election in season 5).

Darn it, now they are not aging enough....

[emw]

All I have to say is wow, But I do hate how Fox ruined the explosion with the teaser. If they left it out it would of made it that much more dramatic.I thought that at first as well, but then I also figured it was pretty obvious that they wouldn't kill off the girl as well - they needed her to find Marwan and there wasn't enough time left to find another lead. So she had to be alive. Plus, it was too obvious why she left her two neighbors alive. Man, what a brutal bitch.

The episode overall was great, I'll agree, but the part where they see the missile and shoot it down seems anticlimactic. Why wouldn't they, as a precaution, have stationed F-14's/F-18's/whatever around all major metropolitan areas and simply looked for it, which in the end is what they did? Sure, it could have targeted a city they weren't watching, but they would have had a better chance.

Anyway, for those of you who've watch season 1 on DVD - what's it play like? Is it a continuous stream of all episodes, or do they have breaks of any sort? I've never watched a DVD of a TV show, so not sure how it's laid out.

[ebow]

Anyway, for those of you who've watch season 1 on DVD - what's it play like? Is it a continuous stream of all episodes, or do they have breaks of any sort? I've never watched a DVD of a TV show, so not sure how it's laid out.

At least for season 1 (the only one I've watched on DVD) each hour is presented exactly as it was on TV, except that when the clock starts ticking for a commercial break it is immediately followed by the return clock. Each of the six discs contains four episodes, and each episode starts with a "previously on 24..." intro. That's helpful when you're only able to commit to 1-2 hours of watching at a time. :D

[killuminati]

Anyway, for those of you who've watch season 1 on DVD - what's it play like? Is it a continuous stream of all episodes, or do they have breaks of any sort? I've never watched a DVD of a TV show, so not sure how it's laid out.

Season 1 is amazing. Buying the first season on DVD was the best thing I'v ever done. Every episode on the DVD is like a different episode on 24 with the whole intro and everything EXCEPT that they don't show previously on 24.

I definitely recommend getting season 1. IMO it is far superior to this past season.

[killuminati]

Each of the six discs contains four episodes, and each episode starts with a "previously on 24..." intro.

But it isn't a "previously on 24" like you see now, its not a whole 2 minute clip. All it is, is the same thing shown every episode, Jack saying "I'm federal agent Jack Bauer, Terrorists are plotting to kill the President, my family is in danger and people I'm working with may be involved. Today is the longest day of my life."

[Kwyjibo]

WI think next season will be the last.

that would be good speculation except it got renewed for two more seasons.

Definitely get / rent Season 1 of 24, you'll love it. Overall its good but the DVD could have been better too, I think it was thrown together. (this meaning the menus and such, not the content)

[emw]

Thanks for the info ebow and killuminati! I'm anxious to start watching it now. Especially with the summer rerun season coming into full gear, I should have a little more time (except Dead Zone will soon be starting I think).

[jefhatfield]

I'm glad you clarified that a bit, when I say heartland I mean the Midwest in general ... not the farm by any means. My high school had 3300 students, I graduated in a class of 800, I don't consider it the smallest of towns and its not that this was the only high school in the area, I have 10 friends who went to schools of similar size in a reasonable distance ... aka the suburbs of chicago.

I can see friends really in the field not liking it, movies and tv have to bend realism to fit plots .... we enjoy it because we know no better but they do.

ABOUT THE FINALE

wow Bauer > *, Hear no Evil .... I want to see whats gonna happen next year .... lets countdown the months.

you went to a huge high school...i am a baby boomer when the high schools were at their height and the entire four class years of the high school that i went to never exceeded 800 students, so that's what one could call sub-suburban, or rural

it would be interesting to see what demographic group watches 24...rural, urban, male, female, people in or out of the intelligence/law enforcement field, mac users, non mac users (what's with no macs this season?)

jack's fictitional character was in the us army delta force, then in the los angeles police department around the time when he received his master's in criminal science and was a detective, then with ctu, and started this season with the department of defense, and now he is presumed dead by most and hanging out in mexico

i wonder if he will run into any of the salazar clan?

[ebow]

But it isn't a "previously on 24" like you see now, its not a whole 2 minute clip. All it is, is the same thing shown every episode, Jack saying "I'm federal agent Jack Bauer, Terrorists are plotting to kill the President, my family is in danger and people I'm working with may be involved. Today is the longest day of my life."

Oops--you're right! Now that you've jogged my memory, I recall thinking it was a pretty lame intro. I used to fast forward through it each time. I still have to catch up on season 2 (I started watching with season 3) so I guess I'll find out what those DVDs are like sometime soon.

[Toeknee]

Frankly they didn't need the F-18s, all they had to do is station Patriot missiles around NYC/DC/LA, but that would have just been too easy. Yeah my graduating class was about 550 people with the whole school being about 2500. Took us a while to get through everyone 800 must have been a real pain to sit through. As far as the not having macs in this season maybe someone should have called that number to ask what the deal was with that. Yeah that look familiar and not from the other season. I called up a friend and ask him if she was in "Not Another Teen Movie" he said no but as the credits flashed by he was proved wrong, Mia Kirshner. Can't wait for next season.

[MacNut]

I wonder if 24 will go into syndication, It has to be close to 100 episodes by now. It could be cool to see the show on everyday.

[atszyman]

I wonder if 24 will go into syndication, It has to be close to 100 episodes by now. It could be cool to see the show on everyday.

If they manage to make it for 7 seasons they could start the 24 network. All 24 all the time. They'd need to shift an hour back every week so that you could watch at the same time every week and get the next episode. So maybe 6 seasons of 24 and one of 23.

[starcrossed]

Man what a great episode!! I love how they are able to keep each season finale a unique shocker. When I saw Jack dead on the ground, I didn't know what to believe. He has evaded death many times, and I knew a time would come when he actually would die, so I didn't know what to believe. When Tony and crew brought Jack back to life, I was applauding. I think if this is truly the end to Keifer on 24 it was a well excuted departure story-wise. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Keifer back again, but that final scene with Jack and Palmer on the phone says it all. Palmer: "You understand when you hang up....Jack Bauer is dead". Jack: "I understand that sir". and Jack gives a small smile, knowing that he has tried so hard to run away from the hectic CTU lifestyle like in the beggining of Season 4 but couldn't. Now that "Jack Bauer" is dead he could in a sense start life all over again, which is what he desperatly needs. But it will be interesting to find out if he will make the choice to call Audrey or Kim and let them know that he is in fact still alive and well.

[emw]

I think if this is truly the end to Keifer on 24 it was a well excuted departure story-wise. In the trailer though, they indicate he will be back.

On the first day he saved the President.
On the second day he saved a city.
On the third day he saved a nation.
On the fourth day he saved the world.

If you think you know what will happen on day 5, you don't know Jack.
That leads me to believe he'll be back next season.

[starcrossed]

Also I wanted to add that I did watch the Charlie Rose 24 interview, and in the show Keifer did confirm details about Season 5/Day 5. He said that writers had already begun planning out Season 5 and are much more ahead than they have ever been from a leaving a previous season. He said the reason was because Season 4 was leading up to Season 5 and that they were in a sense connected. He also said that the writers were also looking to tighten up the time gap between seasons which sounded like Season 5 would begin between a years or possibly months from the end of Season 4. So since the only story left unclosed in Season 4 was dealing with the Chinese consulate ordeal, that just might be the opening plot of the next season. But from looking at Keifer in the interview it seems like he will still be with 24 in Season 5, if not on screen, still on tap as a producer for the series.

[starcrossed]

In the trailer though, they indicate he will be back.


That leads me to believe he'll be back next season.

Oh my god! I didn't know they showed a Season 5 teaser. I watched it on a recording so didn't catch it. Hopefully I can find it somewhere online so I can see it for myself. Wow, great to know Jack is back in 2006.

[MacNut]

Keifer is an executive producer so he will be involved in some way, I don't think the show can survive without Jack. But if Tony and Michelle comeback it would make for an interesting working relationship again, but it sounds like they are going to leave CTU so who knows who will be in charge. I want to see Kim return, Who thinks that Audrey will be the new boss.

[emw]

Keifer is an executive producer so he will be involved in some way, I don't think the show can survive without Jack. But if Tony and Michelle comeback it would make for an interesting working relationship again, but it sounds like they are going to leave CTU so who knows who will be in charge. I want to see Kim return, Who thinks that Audrey will be the new boss.Audrey pretty much said in this last episode that she can't handle that life, which is why she left Jack. I don't see her leading CTU, but perhaps having some role if Jack lets her know he's still alive.

Personally, I'd like to see Curtis heading the operation - he's a strong character that could use a larger role in CTU, I think. Bill is probably gone.

[obeygiant]

HOpefully Chloe will be back next season.

[ebow]

HOpefully Chloe will be back next season.

You know, I was rather annoyed at the beginning of the season when I first saw she was back. But she definitely adds something to the show. Maybe next year she and Edgar will be an item. ;) :eek:

[Dandaman]

HOpefully Chloe will be back next season.

I heard that a TV Guide article said that she'd be back for sure next season.

I loved the finale like everyone else. It was closed well and still keeps me craving for more. You don't know what will become of Jack Bauer. Like 24 always does, it keeps me guessing. Definitely cannot wait until next season.

Also, someone mentioned a trailer for season 5? Anyone know if it's posted on the internet? What did it mention?

daniel

[emw]

Also, someone mentioned a trailer for season 5? Anyone know if it's posted on the internet? What did it mention?

danielI haven't seen it on the internet, and it's already deleted off of my TiVo, but it was short. I posted a summary in post #392.

[rickvanr]

Audrey pretty much said in this last episode that she can't handle that life, which is why she left Jack. I don't see her leading CTU, but perhaps having some role if Jack lets her know he's still alive.

Personally, I'd like to see Curtis heading the operation - he's a strong character that could use a larger role in CTU, I think. Bill is probably gone.

I wouldn't be crushed if Audrey were gone for good after this year. But I remember her saying in an interview she left Third Watch for 24, or something along those lines, so who knows if she's in for another season.

Curtis is a champ, and a great character. I'll be quite upset if he doesn't return. He was awesome in season 4. I enjoyed Bill too, he was especially great in the finale.

[MacNut]

It wasn't a trailer more of a teaser for next season, It would have people believe that Jack will return in some form next season.

[sarae]

I wouldn't be crushed if Audrey were gone for good after this year. But I remember her saying in an interview she left Third Watch for 24, or something along those lines, so who knows if she's in for another season.

Curtis is a champ, and a great character. I'll be quite upset if he doesn't return. He was awesome in season 4. I enjoyed Bill too, he was especially great in the finale.

Curtis is a great character. I'm guessing that Tony and Michelle will actually leave (with the option of a mid season surprise) and it'll be handed off to Curtis.

I don't really like Audrey, either, but she looked rather shocked when she was told that Jack was dead. I can see her regretting her decision to tell him they were over - decide she didn't really mean it, wanted to be with him no matter what, etc - and staying at CTU to avenge/honor Jack. Kinda lame, and I really don't want her sticking around, but..

[hob]

A strange way to end the series... But maybe not... I dunno, I liked it I think - I'm just sad I have to wait 6 months for more!

At the end though, I wish I'd written the script

[in Tony's car]
Tony: Are you OK, Jack?
Jack: [sitting up]Yeah, I'm fine...
Tony: No, Jack - noone's worn Bomber jackets since 1989... and what the hell are those glasses all about?!

:D

[XIII]

That was a great finale. The saddest line was Palmer saying to Jack "For all intents and purposes, Jack Bauer is dead."

It really left me wondering about next season. How will they involve Jack? OR will they???

Ya, that was really sad. I really thought Jack was gone for good after this series, but you guys think having seen the season 5 trailer that he isn't..? COOL.. :D

[Rod Rod]

Someone's bound to make a countdown widget similar to this webpage:
http://wtl24.atspace.com/s5countdown/

[killuminati]

Someone's bound to make a countdown widget similar to this webpage:
http://wtl24.atspace.com/s5countdown/

I know! I'v been waiting for that to happen.

[Mr. Durden]

Jack comes back to take revenge on the people who turned on him is my guess. CTU's next job is going to be to try to stop Jack. THEN, the series is over.

Just my guess. Reckon we'll see in a few months...

[hob]

Interesting thread on this on TV.com (http://www.tv.com/24/show/3866/forums.html&fpage=show_messages.php&board=2785&topic=16414&page=0) - the new TV Tome...

[killuminati]

Interesting thread on this on TV.com (http://www.tv.com/24/show/3866/forums.html&fpage=show_messages.php&board=2785&topic=16414&page=0) - the new TV Tome...

Thanks for that, its an interesting thread.

I for one hope that Jack NEVER comes back as a bad guy. Not that I can ever see the writers doing that, but still.

And I never knew TvTome moved. I like that site.

[rickvanr]

A little late, but if you didnt know, there is a 24 Marathon on A&E right now. It's in the last half right now.

[killuminati]

Seasons 1 and 2 for those of you who haven't seen them, are being shown on Channel M but it's just in Canada.

[rickvanr]

Channel M as in the Movie Network?

[killuminati]

Channel M as in Multivision Television.

[XIII]

Whens season 5 out in the States? :)

[Lacero]

Channel M as in Multivision Television.LOL. :D

[killuminati]

Whens season 5 out in the States? :)

The new season starts in January.

[XIII]

*Can't wait :)*

[killuminati]

Yea, I just hope its a lot better than last season though.

[rickvanr]

Starting next Monday at 2 PM, four straight 24 episodes on A&E. I'm assuming its going to be every Monday until the seasons have all been replayed.

[Vader]

I am another one who can't wait for next season.
I hope they go back to actually USING the real time aspect of the show like they did in the first season.

[killuminati]

I hope they go back to actually USING the real time aspect of the show like they did in the first season.

AGREED

[hob]

Anyone else notice there's a PS2 game coming out called 24: The Game? It deals with the missing info between seasons 2 + 3, such as what happened to Palmer... who was running the country.... where did Jack meet Chase, and how did Kim get to be working for CTU...

Time to steal my housemates PS2 I think...!

[jiv3turkey748]

Anyone else notice there's a PS2 game coming out called 24: The Game? It deals with the missing info between seasons 2 + 3, such as what happened to Palmer... who was running the country.... where did Jack meet Chase, and how did Kim get to be working for CTU...

Time to steal my housemates PS2 I think...!

that sounds sweet

[killuminati]

Heres a link to some trailers for the game.

Link (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1563)

[rickvanr]

Surfing IMDB.. noticed they have some of the guest characters coming in season 5. A couple interesting characters are "Don Ashton", which is a new character but I'm sure they've mentioned him in season four. Palmer's daughter is back, Rick is back from season one, as "Rick Almeida".

If IMDB's stuff is accurate, it's only making me look forward to January even more.

[killuminati]

Palmer's daughter is back?!? What, is she gonna get raped again?

And I don't remember, who is Rick Almeida. Someone related to Tony I guess, but I don't remember who.

[killuminati]

I just looked up rick on imdb and now I remember. He was one of the kidnappers.

I'm excited. I love seeing old characters. When Palmer came back in season 4 I was ecstatic :D.

[rickvanr]

I just looked up rick on imdb and now I remember. He was one of the kidnappers.

I'm excited. I love seeing old characters. When Palmer came back in season 4 I was ecstatic :D.

I giggled like a schoolgirl when palmer came back. I have no idea how they are going to work Rick back in, unless he some how runs into Jack when he's trying to lay low and then the secret gets out that he's still alive.

[Dynamyk]

Been a fan since the first episode. I've bought every DVD on it's release date, and I'm going to wet my pants when Season 5 starts :D