24, season 4

[sarae]

Noticed the Lost + Alias threads, which got me to wondering: anyone else out there watch 24? Season 4 starts tonight, with a virtually all-new cast. I've been a fan since the first season, and am pretty happy that Kim isn't scheduled to be on this season - no more cougars attacking. :rolleyes:

[Kwyjibo]

kim will be making a few appearences i'm sure, I expect them to explain her story this first episode. She was only really essnetial as a character in the first half of season 1 but she made for some fine eye candy in season 2.

I'm pretty pumped about the new season, i'm glad nina, palmer, and many others won't be back, they're story lines were getting dry and uninteresting. The new cast is a way to keep people guessing, I mean I knew by the the third season that nina was all too dangerous as a character.

time to fire up the eyetv to make myself some dvds for intermitten rewatching.

[cwright]

24 is my absolute favorite show. I've watched every episode since Season One. Last season, my dad (who watches it with me) and I kept getting behind and then lost track of our recorded episodes... :D so we hardly saw any of Season 3. Anyway, just last week we bought the Season 3 DVD and watched all of the episodes back to back to get ready for Season 4, which starts in 15 minutes!

I'm excited, they're showing the first two episodes tonight, and then episode 3 and 4 tomorrow. Good way to get new viewers hooked I guess :)

I didnt know Kim wasnt going to be in this season... but I didnt find her near as annoying in Season 3 as I did in Season 2. In Season 3, she at least had a purpose in the show and wasn't just an annoyance. I did hear though that it was almost a completely different cast. Other than that, all I really know is that Jack is fired, and then ends up having to come back. The previews do look really cool.

Well I gotta go watch episode 1 :)

[Kwyjibo]

Other than that, all I really know is that Jack is fired, and then ends up having to come back. The previews do look really cool.

Well I gotta go watch episode 1 :)

this is different tho from S2. He was fired from CTU but he still works for the gov't .....

get me a hacksaw.

[cwright]

get me a hacksaw.
this may be a stupid question... but what is that supposed to mean? :confused:

[MacDawg]

Always wanted to watch, but never did...
I watched tonight for the first time and liked it a lot.

A friend has seasons 1-3 on DVD
I have season 1 to watch but haven't started yet

Guess I will now.

2 more hours tomorrow night...
Easy to get behind!


Woof, Woof - Dawg

[Thomas Veil]

I don't think it's a stupid question....

Anyway, somehow I knew the new head of the CTU, Driscoll, was going to be a pain in the ass. And I think we all knew that via some deus ex machina, Jack was going to end up being out in the field again.

So far the story line is good, although I think it might have been more interesting this time if they'd gone with home-grown terrorists instead of another batch of foreigners. Fanatical neo-cons for season 5, anyone?

[cwright]

After watching the first 3 seasons with mostly the same characters, I thought it was kinda strange with all but two of them (jack and chloe) now gone. And I wish Chloe (sp?) was gone too... she's still a pain in the ass. Very annoying.

Overall I think it was a really good start. Should be another good season.

I'm glad Jack's replacement is already dead too... I didn't really like him :D

[Deefuzz]

There goes Jack again, doing whatever the hell he wants...but he gets results :p

Interesting to see all of CTU pretty much restructured...Jack's gal is pretty cute too :)

I wonder if they will mention Tony and Michelle at all, I remember he was taken away at the end of season 3, I wonder if he was shown any leniency due to his record of service.

And yes, hopefully no Kim...I don't need to see her get raped by a bear or anything :rolleyes:

[atszyman]

get me a hacksaw.

this may be a stupid question... but what is that supposed to mean? :confused:

Edit:
Beware the following paragraph has a season 2 spoiler. However I believe it is in the very first episode so it's not much of a spoiler.
/Edit

In the beginning of Season 2 in order to get in contact with their first suspect Jack had them call in the lead witness in a federal case against the suspect. Jack promptly shot and killed the witness and asked for a hacksaw, cut to commercial.

Every year I think they should just call it quits on this show since they gimmick is starting to get old and I am a firm believer in quitting while you are ahead. However I keep watching so it can't be that bad. I'm actually amazed that Fox hasn't cancelled it yet for some stupid reality show that costs a fraction of the money to make. Of course I'm still bitter about Firefly but that's another thread.

[Kwyjibo]

Yeah, its not much of a spoiler, just one of my favorite lines.

I hope we can discuss season 4 in here without too many spoiler warnigns except for timezone differences so people who are waiting to watch them but haven't might want to stay away.

[Thomas Veil]

Spoilers typically should be announced in caps, and then written in white (so that you have to click-and-drag to read them).

[Counterfit]

This is the first time I watched 24, and I think this looks pretty promising.
My predictions: the kid and his girlfriend are both going to die. Or almost get killed, probably by his father.

[atszyman]

Spoilers typically should be announced in caps, and then written in white (so that you have to click-and-drag to read them).

It would have been had it been a real spoiler from a recent episode. Of course it's a moot point since I haven't figured out how to type in white. So I don't comment on new episodes and give away anything. A two year old scene from the season opener isn't much of a spoiler. Just thought I would preface it for those who are trying to catch up by watching the DVDs.

[MacNut]

This season is gonna be great, every year I get sucked back in, 2 more hours tomorrow and I can't wait.

[Kwyjibo]

This is the first time I watched 24, and I think this looks pretty promising.
My predictions: the kid and his girlfriend are both going to die. Or almost get killed, probably by his father.

i dont' think either will die, i think the mother is the mastermind and the father will die or be shot.

[Rod Rod]

i dont' think either will die, i think the mother is the mastermind and the father will die or be shot.

Has anyone here seen The House of Sand and Fog? The actors playing Bairuz and his mother (Jonathan Ahdout and Shohreh Aghadashloo) played son and mother in that movie. It was kind of neat/strange/interesting seeing them paired in 24 again. I sort of expected the father to look more like Ben Kingsley.


So far the story line is good, although I think it might have been more interesting this time if they'd gone with home-grown terrorists instead of another batch of foreigners. Fanatical neo-cons for season 5, anyone?

I agree that it would have been more interesting to see domestic bad guys, but it's possible in the next 22 episodes the writers might add some twists on the formula. The neo-con angle may just play out in the form of Secretary Heller's character development. There have been hints of it in his son's explanation / fight with him about the (attempted) speaking engagement at the Lockheed protest.

[sarae]

I wonder if they will mention Tony and Michelle at all, I remember he was taken away at the end of season 3, I wonder if he was shown any leniency due to his record of service.

And yes, hopefully no Kim...I don't need to see her get raped by a bear or anything :rolleyes:


Man, I thought last night's episodes were great. I was a little skeptical at first with their decision to play 4 eps in 2 days.. but I forgot how whenever I want 1 ep, I want the next one right away!

I'm sure they're going to mention Tony and Michelle, maybe there'll be a cameo (remember, she had been offered some job in DC..) but at the very least I'm sure Jack or Chloe will make some reference to what they're doing now, a la how Jack quickly summed up that Chase + Kim were buying a house, blah blah.

I for one think the terrorist-family angle is moving way too fast to be upheld all season long.. there have GOT to be a number of twists in order to keep it from becoming too predictable.

Man I love this show. :)

[Thomas Veil]

Of course it's a moot point since I haven't figured out how to type in white.Easy. There's a color pull-down menu right above the text box you type your posts in. (There's also the rarely-used font pull-down menu.) ;)

The one thing I didn't like about the episode is that Heller's son, who's obviously a liberal, is being portrayed as a whiny, useless, utopian wimp. But then, this is Fox....

[Kwyjibo]

well a few things, I think Palmer was pretty clearly a liberal. I'm fairly liberal and I even laughed at the jab at michael moore because it was funny. and if you think about it for the direction of the show in the grand scheme, they're putting a conservative on trial for war crimes, so don't automatically assume that the show is taking a bias.

[aricher]

Lots of hubub on talk radio this morning about people being offended by the way 24 portays a Muslim family as terrorists. Personally I don't care but I did remark to my wife while we were watching last night - "oooh - let me guess - the brown people are bad, right?

[edesignuk]

I love 24, can't wait for the new series to kick off over here in the UK :cool:

[iAlan]

I will have to wait a long time to order the 24 s4 DVD's from amazon.com. 24 s3 was released on Dec. 22 in Japan (for 22,000 yen or about $US200) so buying from amazon.com was the cheapest option (including shipping) In fact, I could have gotten all 3 seasons for less than 1 season in Japan!

I don't know if 24 s4 will be available for rental here any sooner, but the show is quite popular, and FOX may want to capitalize on DVD sales of s3 and release rentals here quickly...

[cwright]

Watching episode 1 and 2 last night really reminded me that we need HDTV... We've got a 55" HD-ready tv and surround sound, which was awesome when watching season 3 on DVD, but now that we're watching the broadcast, we have no widescreen, no surround sound, a somewhat fuzzy reception... and those damn commercials. plus the fact that you can't watch 10 episodes in a row if you get hooked :)

maybe I should just wait until season four comes out on DVD :D


edit: spelling errors

[Rod Rod]

Watching episode 1 and 2 last night really reminded me that we need HDTV... We've got a 55" HD-ready tv and surround sound, which was awesome when watching season 3 on DVD, but now that we're watching the broadcast, we have no widescreen, no surround sound, a somewhat fuzzy reception... and those damn commercials. plus the fact that you can't watch 10 episodes in a row if you get hooked :)

maybe I should just wait until season four comes out on DVD :D


edit: spelling errors

You can see it in HDTV if you're in range of the over-the-air HD broadcast signal. All you need is the special HD antenna. And of course, the DVDs are all standard definition, not HD (but the widescreen and clear picture make it look great compared to standard broadcast).

HD antennas cost around $60 the last time I looked.

I agree though, I'd really like to watch it in HD too.

I'm guessing Debbie is Driscoll's daughter.

[cwright]

You can see it in HDTV if you're in range of the over-the-air HD broadcast signal. All you need is the special HD antenna. And of course, the DVDs are all standard definition, not HD (but the widescreen and clear picture make it look great compared to standard broadcast).

Yea I know that DVDs aren't HD, but it is much better than the broadcast. We do have basic cable, so it isnt over-the-air reception, but it still isnt crystal clear.
Also, our TV is HD-Ready, not HD-Built In (gotta love the marketing schemes). So, we would need a HD tuner as well, which I think is somewhat expensive. Plus, we basically live in a hole... the lowest point in our city, and my dad swears that we wouldn't get a good OTA HD reception.

He won't listen to me, but I figure it would be worth a shot since the HD over the air signal is so much stronger than SD. oh well... :mad:

[Rod Rod]

[snip] we would need a HD tuner as well, which I think is somewhat expensive. Plus, we basically live in a hole... the lowest point in our city, and my dad swears that we wouldn't get a good OTA HD reception.


Hopefully before too much of the season goes by you'll be able to prevail upon your dad to get the HD tuner and antenna. You might convince him by showing him a cost comparison between that solution and subscribing to digital cable. After a couple of months the cost should be justified, especially if your dad is also into 24... let alone sporting events like the Superbowl.

[cwright]

I hope so, but ATSC tuners are still pretty expensive. At first glance, I was able to find this one (http://www.bestbuyplasma.com/Plasma/Product.asp_X_Sku_Y_SIRT351) for $300. Its a Samsung, which would probably be nice since our TV is a Samsung. We'd also need an antennae, which I wouldnt be surprised if that cost another $50.

Does anyone know where I could find a cheaper ATSC tuner? or am I asking for too much?

All I know is when I go off to college next year, I'm getting myself a nice 30" widescreen HDTV with an ATSC tuner built in :D

[emw]

I am so far behind. Just watched the first 4 hours of S4, wrapping up last night. (Thank you, TiVo!). I had never watched the show before this season, but am definitely hooked on it. Perhaps since I haven't seen previous seasons (although we did get S1 on DVD), everything still seems new to me.

This year's storyline, though still a little implausible, has been interesting. It sounds like once they get Heller out, they might move on to other targets or situations that don't include the current crop of terrorists - is this the pattern they've followed in past seasons?

Anyway - good show. And having Kim Raver on is nice as well. I missed her after Third Watch.

[atszyman]

So far the story line is good, although I think it might have been more interesting this time if they'd gone with home-grown terrorists instead of another batch of foreigners. Fanatical neo-cons for season 5, anyone?

The one thing I didn't like about the episode is that Heller's son, who's obviously a liberal, is being portrayed as a whiny, useless, utopian wimp. But then, this is Fox....

You may get your wish yet. My theory appears below in white so I can't be accused of spoiling it. However as my wife will be more than happy to point out, I am probably wrong.

Theory : (possible spoiler, highlight to read)
The mastermind is a liberal. They are employing the Turkish to mislead the govt assuming that since the operatives are foreign the mastermind must be as well (racial profiling). 2 reasons to suspect:
1. Heller's son was the only one who knew Heller would be there, if he mentioned it to one of his liberal friends it may have worked it's way up to the mastermind.
2. The whole trial aspect seems more like something a protester would do to prove their point where a true "terrorist" seems like they would make their demands or just kill him already.

[Toeknee]

Has anyone noticed that lack of Apple products in the show so far? Would be pretty nice to have seen a HUGE 30" display in a couple of the scenes.

[emw]

Has anyone noticed that lack of Apple products in the show so far? Would be pretty nice to have seen a HUGE 30" display in a couple of the scenes.
You mean like all of the Apple placement in Alias? The season premier was littered with Apple products (although Sidney's Mac was the older G4 iMac).

[Rod Rod]

Theory : (possible spoiler, highlight to read)
The mastermind is a liberal. They are employing the Turkish to mislead the govt assuming that since the operatives are foreign the mastermind must be as well (racial profiling). 2 reasons to suspect:
1. Heller's son was the only one who knew Heller would be there, if he mentioned it to one of his liberal friends it may have worked it's way up to the mastermind.
2. The whole trial aspect seems more like something a protester would do to prove their point where a true "terrorist" seems like they would make their demands or just kill him already.

That's good thinking, except for:
1. I'm pretty sure Heller's visit to his son's place was a surprise. I vaguely remember seeing spotters for the bad guys tracking the motorcade.
2. There are all sorts of terrorists, and many of them try to project the idea that their cause is just. The kangaroo court thing is consistent with the m.o. of many terrorist groups (attempting to show legitimacy, exacting revenge and calling it justice).

Has anyone noticed that lack of Apple products in the show so far? Would be pretty nice to have seen a HUGE 30" display in a couple of the scenes.

Yeah I was on the lookout for Apple products and so far I didn't notice any. Maybe the same Fox exec who asked the O.C. to stop showing white earbuds got 24 to stop showing Apple products. That doesn't make sense of course, because the HP and Dell logos on the desktop monitors are noticeable. I guess the message is that if Apple wants to show their computers they should advertise on the show, like Ford does with its F-150.

[sarae]

That's good thinking, except for:


But...
I don't remember if the son was surprised when Heller showed up, but Heller and his daughter were talking about it before getting in the car, and sent Jack to the CTU meeting solo because of it. (Right? Maybe I need to rewatch the first hour..) In which case not many people would know.. but those in the government might. Never count out a government conspiracy!



Yeah I was on the lookout for Apple products and so far I didn't notice any.

Maybe Jack was the one who liked the Macs, and now that he doesn't work for CTU anymore, they're trying to allude that the "good" is gone. :D Or maybe other companies decided to fork over the dough. I remember that the first season's website had OS9 screenshots integrated in it... who knows.

Edit: how do you get the hidden text to stay hidden, when you quote it? :confused:

[Mr. Durden]

Hello all. I've been a long-time lurker of this site, but seeing a post regarding my all-time favorite TV show made me finally sign up. Looking forward to talking to you all and maybe making a new friend or two.

And by the way, how many long-time viewers of 24 just knew right away that Jack was going to shoot that guy in the leg to get the info out of him (in episode 1). as soon as they took the suspect into the room I thought, "Jacks gonna shoot this guy". Gotta love Jack.

[emw]

Hello all. I've been a long-time lurker of this site, but seeing a post regarding my all-time favorite TV show made me finally sign up. Looking forward to talking to you all and maybe making a new friend or two.

And by the way, how many long-time viewers of 24 just knew right away that Jack was going to shoot that guy in the leg to get the info out of him (in episode 1). as soon as they took the suspect into the room I thought, "Jacks gonna shoot this guy". Gotta love Jack.
Welcome to the group - look forward to seeing some good stuff from you.

I'm not a long time watcher - in fact, this is my first season. But I still knew Jack was going to shoot him, albeit about the time he went walking back there, vs. earlier.

[Rod Rod]

how do you get the hidden text to stay hidden, when you quote it? :confused:

Just change the color to "#EEEEEE" for quoted text, and "#FAFAFA" for your own text (because white isn't quite invisible).

To find those colors I used Digital Color Meter in the Utilities folder (cmd+shift+U from Finder).

[cwright]

Has anyone noticed that lack of Apple products in the show so far? Would be pretty nice to have seen a HUGE 30" display in a couple of the scenes.
Yea I was noticing this too... kinda strange since macs have been very prevelant in the past 3 seasons.

I did notice a bunch of the new popular LCD panels though, like the HP L2335 and the Dell 2005fpw :D

[evoluzione]

Lots of hubub on talk radio this morning about people being offended by the way 24 portays a Muslim family as terrorists.


that's just stupid, i hate that. i'm english and i wasn't in the least offended with last season's criminal mastermind (i am remembering correctly right?)

[Rod Rod]

that's just stupid, i hate that. i'm english and i wasn't in the least offended with last season's criminal mastermind (i am remembering correctly right?)

Easy for you to say. You're not harrassed at airports and borders because of prejudice and ethnoreligious profiling. Customs officials likely don't ask you where your parents were born. You probably don't know what it's like to be treated as a second class citizen due to your skin color and/or religious identity. You've probably never been questioned about how loyal you are to your country of citizenship. It's a sensitive topic for a reason.

[sarae]

Easy for you to say. You're not harrassed at airports and borders because of prejudice and ethnoreligious profiling. Customs officials likely don't ask you where your parents were born. You probably don't know what it's like to be treated as a second class citizen due to your skin color and/or religious identity. You've probably never been questioned about how loyal you are to your country of citizenship. It's a sensitive topic for a reason.


That's why I liked Season 3 (sorry if anyone hasn't watched it yet, but I figure it really isn't spoiling if it was on a year ago) how they played up to the prejudices and then also showed how wrong those blind assumptions can be. I'd like to think that they do something similar this year - not the same thing, but not the whole "middle easterners who hate America" stereotype that, sadly, some people believe.

[Kwyjibo]

but in season 3 they had these mexican mobsters who were dealing high volumes of drugs and wanted to cash in on an illicit virus .... thats not a stereotype thats bad also .... ? IF anything I think 24 does its best to keep things in reality, and when it can is pushes social norms, IE african american president. We also don't know if this crew will even be the villans in the second half. If anything the most cliched villan in 24 is the rich business man, not a specific one but the classic rich business man out to make money, and that stereotype will no doubt be protrayed this season, I mean the keeler thing can go on for four or five ours more max, he's dying in 3 without intervention and intervention can't take 15 hours.

[evoluzione]

Easy for you to say. You're not harrassed at airports and borders because of prejudice and ethnoreligious profiling. Customs officials likely don't ask you where your parents were born. You probably don't know what it's like to be treated as a second class citizen due to your skin color and/or religious identity. You've probably never been questioned about how loyal you are to your country of citizenship. It's a sensitive topic for a reason.


don't get me wrong, i totally sympathise with people that have a hard time like that...it was just the moaning about the stereotyping that i didn't like...we hear it all the time and most of the time it's a complaint when the complainer hasn't even seen the show (i'm thinking of Shallow Hal here as an example, where fat people complained but in actual fact, had they watched, they'd have realised that there was a good message in there)

i've had my fair share of tough times at immigration, nothing compared to some i'm sure, and so far my name has yet to be flagged on a watch list, which i'm sure must be a royal pain in the butt. the thing is though, there's nasty people the world over, and the kid, Beiruz (sp?) appears to be a great kid. so, are these people complaining about him too???

anyway, back on track....

i agree, the heller thing has a few hours left in it, that's it. and the bad guys are not the only ones, they'll be more, from elsewhere....and i hope Kim makes a small appearance, she's great eye candy. there's plenty more action yet anyway!

[Mr. Durden]

There is a difference betwen "Muslims" and "Muslim Extremists". While Muslims have a overall peacefull belief system, Muslim Extremists have a looong record of attacts against the US and US interests (among others). That being the case, I'm not offended that a TV series shows what are obviously Muslim Extremists partaking in acts of terror.

That said, it does feel a bit like propaganda sometimes. I guess I can see either side. Regardless, I dont think its a conscious decision to portray a certain race or religion as evil.

[sarae]

I know it was hinted before that some members of previous casts were going to be making an appearance.. but I sure was glad to see Tony stopping by.

I missed a couple minutes in the second half (due to a phone call.. arggh).. what was going on with the mother & son Araz, the last we saw them?

[mcmav37]

I missed a couple minutes in the second half (due to a phone call.. arggh).. what was going on with the mother & son Araz, the last we saw them?


Fairouz called his mom to say what had happened and she said she would come pick him up, but Daddy overheard and came along. He made her pick him up and told her to drive to a specific spot where he and his buddies would follow and "take care of business." Just as he was about to get in the car, she told him to run to the train and daddy shot her, so Fairouz go in the car and took the controls to try to help his mom.

[Deefuzz]

I know it was hinted before that some members of previous casts were going to be making an appearance.. but I sure was glad to see Tony stopping by.

That was a very pleasant suprise for me, I cheered! :D

[Aldaris]

Okay For anyone who hasn't seen season 3 just move on... Unless your wondering about Tony...

Spoiler for some...
Okay Tony, was taken away for treason if I recall, for going against the authorities and going to save his wife... (who worked at CTU and then got kidnapped after the Hotel Virus incident,) So any speculation on how he's alive and out of prison?

(hopefully this will be explained next week)

Thanks for any input

[evoluzione]

Okay For anyone who hasn't seen season 3 just move on... Unless your wondering about Tony...

Spoiler for some...
Okay Tony, was taken away for treason if I recall, for going against the authorities and going to save his wife... (who worked at CTU and then got kidnapped after the Hotel Virus incident,) So any speculation on how he's alive and out of prison?

(hopefully this will be explained next week)

Thanks for any input


and also....how come he lives next door??? he was there to help Jack in what? 3-4 minutes?

[sarae]

Just as he was about to get in the car, she told him to run to the train and daddy shot her, so Fairouz go in the car and took the controls to try to help his mom.


Okay, thanks. I saw all that, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything that happened after that.

[notjustjay]

Edgar reminds me of Dennis Nedry.

Also, consider this: if anyone has the ability to spontaneously dump stuff to other people's computers ("send this to my screen"), isn't that rather of a security risk? Or at the very least, a severe nuisance? ("Hey, who sent this naughty picture?")

At the very least, I think CTU seriously needs to revamp their Human Resources and Security department :D

[2jaded2care]

I kinda like the set design with the glass-enclosed conference room and boss's office, so everyone can see what's going on inside... I mean, it's not like CTU's ever had a mole, right?

(Don't get me wrong,though, I like the show...)

[killuminati]

yay, cant wait for tonight. Its hard watching an hour at a time. I should just buy the dvd at the end of the season and watch 24 for 24 hours :p. like a movie :D

[atszyman]

Ok, it's bugging me again, as it did in the second season when Nina released the Virus at CTU.

No one ever thinks to disconnect from the internet/computer networks! Any sort of network has a finite number of entry points, sever/disconnect those and you can isolate yourself from the rest of the world.

Season 2

I always thought that the second season computer virus should have had a network disconnect as one of the first layers of defense to avoid infecting all of CTU rather than just a few divisions. I can get past this, viruses travel fast and by the time you realize your infected everyone else probably already is.

Season 4

Nuclear (nucular) plants are under control of a remote device. Somewhere is a network connection that allows access to the plant. One would think that the plant would default back to local control should the network become unavailable. So cut the connections and get control of the plants back! Why didn't they do this 2 hours ago when they realized what the terrorists had? No network = no terrorist access and plant under local control.

That being said the show is entertaining it just seems they make things more complex than they already are.

[Aldaris]

Spoiler

In the Season 1 conlusion, Nina Myers is installing somesort of hard drive in the CTU Tech/Server room, before she shoots Mrs. Bauer if memory serves... Thats imho how the virus set off in season 2...

Feel free to give any input...

Season 4 Speculation

Although the internet network question is a valid one, and this is in no reason an answer or defense, but there seemed to be some answers to why the OVERRIDE was somewhat unstoppable... remember this is an override system and it is a TV show, but we all enjoy the heck out of it anyway right.

Looking forward to 4:00-5:00
"Whats Gonna Happen to Jack"

It just occured to me that if CTU had still be running on Mac's... Jack would have already saved the day.

http://www.apple.com/pro/photo/rush/

[killuminati]

omg, tonights episode was amazing. It was definately the best of the season. Im in shock. Can't wait till next monday!!!!!!

[sirius1722]

Dammit, I got hooked on this show when I watched the first episode of Season 4 out of boredom because my mom recorded it on our DVR. I watched the first two then downloaded eps S4.03-08 to catch up. ARGH! I was doing good, not watching TV, but then I had to watch 24. *sigh* I'll probably be lurking in this thread for awhile ;)

BTW, tonights episode was great! :D Glad that kid finally got some American sass rubbed off on him and stood up to his dad. I cheered for him!

[killuminati]

last night was actually one of my favourite episodes not just from this season, but from the whole series. I felt so bad for edgar (his mom a little), even if they did try too hard to make it melodramatic.

[atszyman]

Spoiler

In the Season 1 conlusion, Nina Myers is installing somesort of hard drive in the CTU Tech/Server room, before she shoots Mrs. Bauer if memory serves... Thats imho how the virus set off in season 2...

Feel free to give any input...

Season 4 Speculation

Although the internet network question is a valid one, and this is in no reason an answer or defense, but there seemed to be some answers to why the OVERRIDE was somewhat unstoppable... remember this is an override system and it is a TV show, but we all enjoy the heck out of it anyway right.

Season 2 : I realize that the virus was already at CTU but I would think that one of the first lines of defense when you catch a virus on your system would be to cut your site off from the other government networks that it is connected to in order to limit the spread which may or may not work depending on how fast you can detect the virus and disconnect.

Season 4 : I realize that the device is an over-ride but since it cannot be physically at all of these plants it would make sense that if they were to physically disconnect the plants from the networks they should fall back under local control since the over-ride would no longer have a medium to access the plant. If not then some engineer deserves to be locked up for a design less secure and more dangerous than anything Microsoft has ever released.

That being said I love the show and watch religiously. They just seem to miss the obvious solutions. Of course if they did that you'd have 8 hours of watching Jack sleep which probably wouldn't be good for ratings.

[Aldaris]

Possible Spoiler if your behind

When CTU found out that the terrorist group, had control of the Over-ride ddevice, and were being debriefed by the company-head that manufactured the device, didn't he say that (something to the effect) "The device was/is intended for remote control over power plants in the event, something happens internally... In the event something -COULD POSSIBLY- happen..."

Again this is personal speculation and unless someone can prove or disprove this, we'll just have to wait until the season is released later in the year hopefully...

"Whats Gonna Happen?"

[killuminati]

Possible Spoiler if your behind

When CTU found out that the terrorist group, had control of the Over-ride ddevice, and were being debriefed by the company-head that manufactured the device, didn't he say that (something to the effect) "The device was/is intended for remote control over power plants in the event, something happens internally... In the event something -COULD POSSIBLY- happen..."

Again this is personal speculation and unless someone can prove or disprove this, we'll just have to wait until the season is released later in the year hopefully...

"Whats Gonna Happen?"

I don't quite understand what you saying.

What I don't understand is.....we arent even halfway through the season. There has to be another major plot. This nuclear disaster plot will soon be finished (2 hours and they will melt down (2 episodes)), and it would be very un-24ish to have the plants melt down and the rest of the show be about rescue efforts etc... So what new thing will happen? Any ideas?

[Aldaris]

Yeah, you bring up a very good point this isn't the whole season plot...
I totally agree with you...

1. First Jack has to get Behrooz, Dina will tell CTU what she knows-
2. possibly another plant will melt down... Driscol's daughter has just dissappered from the last episode (Has anything else happened since she stopped breathing???
3. Jack has to stop/catch the Terrorist Group, and tie into at least one of the previous seasons... (i.e. at the end of season 2 the girl from beggining of sesaon 1 shook President Palmers hand and he contracted a nasty condition... Also at the end of previous seasons there seems to almost always be someone (Bad Guy-Master Mind-Financire) Looking at the failure and planning the next move against america/jack...

Spoiler Question

At the end of one Season, (I'm not positive which one) but wasn't there a phone call to a guy on a boat, saying that the failed the task, and guy on the boat just said "we'll have to do something else"???

Or something like that... Again this is personal speculation and theories, if anyone has any input feel free.

"Whats Gonna Happen?"

Thanks...

[Aldaris]

So Tonight was great... But I still can't wait till next week...

Spoiler
Did anyone else suspect Paul Raines was dirty? What about the guys who took out Mary Ann?

Let the Speculation Begin...

I can't wait to see how this all plays out!!!

GO JACK

[killuminati]

Spoiler
Did anyone else suspect Paul Raines was dirty? What about the guys who took out Mary Ann?

GO JACK

Spoiler
I never thought that he was dirty. Who were the guys who took out Marianne? I didn't recognize them at all, were they from a different season?

[Aldaris]

I don't believe I've seen them before in a different season, but it seems to really be progressing... I still think Behrooz did a very stupid thing shooting his dad before they had a chance to question him... I do think that this will be a good season and am really looking forward to Jack kicking some major butt...

What I don't get is...So far the Terrorists have been pretty good at covering their tracks why would they leave their Planning Room intact for CTU to find?... Also how did they have knowledge of the stop to Hellers' son's home?... Did Paul know???

Just a few questions... Like always input is always welcome...

[killuminati]

What I don't get is...So far the Terrorists have been pretty good at covering their tracks why would they leave their Planning Room intact for CTU to find?... Also how did they have knowledge of the stop to Hellers' son's home?... Did Paul know???

I agree. There must be something up because it doesn't make any sense for the terrorists just to leave everything up like that. During that scene where Jack and Tony were looking around in the basement, I found it very creepy. It reminded me of that movie with the guy who put up the newspapers because he thought that he was part of an organization. I forget what it was called.

So anyway this season is getting really good and I wonder what the new plot will be.

[Aldaris]

Just with the way they've covered their tracks (Terrorists) thus far... They KILLED Debbie... Why on earth would they leave all that info posted on the walls...

Another point of interest is/was there any new information that CTU has not found out about yet... Like other/new targets?

Input always welcome...

[killuminati]

Just with the way they've covered their tracks (Terrorists) thus far... They KILLED Debbie... Why on earth would they leave all that info posted on the walls...

Input always welcome...

Maybe it was left on the wall because the terrorists knew that by the time ctu found it, it wouldn't matter anymore. Right now there is nothing in that room that ctu didn't know. Unless they find fingerprints or something there isn't much there that can help them

[emw]

Some other questions/comments...

What I don't understand - not only did they leave the planning room intact, but apparently the only power to the thing was through an extension cord to the main room that they left plugged in?? That seems a little odd, especially, as others have said, since they've covered everything else up so well.

As for Paul - I didn't suspect him before this, but it makes sense that he may have leaked the information about Heller going to his son's house.

Overall, though, a very good episode. I'm also wondering what the next challenges will be - they're not far enough along in the day to wrap too much up.

[SilentPanda]

Soooo I did a little digging and... don't click on this link if you don't want to but... the Internet Movie Database lists all those whole will have guest appearances through the end of Season 4. So if Jack (I'm picking him since he's a main character and not a guest character) is listed in episode 22 you can assume he's alive until then. Also you may be able to discern what new characters are coming up.

(Spoiler Link)
IMDB Link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285331/guests)

There's actually not a ton of people on there for upcoming episodes but... it could fuel some speculation.

Also a spoiler here (http://www.tvtome.com/24/season4.html) on episode 91...

[SilentPanda]

I also noticed this in the trivia for 24 on the IMDB website... I really wouldn't consider it a spoiler but I'll white it out anyhow...

"Gabriel Macht was originally offered the role of Jack's partner Chase Edmunds but the producers were so impressed by James Badge Dale's audition they offered him the role and promised Gabriel Macht a significant role in the next season."

As far as I know we haven't see Gabriel's character so if the promise of a "significant role" is followed through he could be a new main character coming up.

[BakedBeans]

i just wanted to say thanks for writing in white - so it doesnt spoil or brits fun, thats a really nice gesture

thanks

[SilentPanda]

i just wanted to say thanks for writing in white - so it doesnt spoil or brits fun, thats a really nice gesture

thanks

So yer a brit? Just one more step in my stalking attempt... :p

(that's in reference to your supposed location BTW)

[killuminati]

you guys are never gona believe what just happened to me and my friend about 45 minutes ago. My heart is still racing

So it all began....

When I read an article that fans were calling a phone number that was shown on 24 and were able to talk to people on the set.
So me and my friend were bored and decided to phone the number. We ended up talking for 5 minutes to Howard Gordon, who is the head writer and producer. IT WAS AMAZING!!! :D
One of the things I asked was what they were working on and he told me that they were filming episode 17 and the writers were writing episode 23 and 24. I asked to talk to Kiefer but he was busy in his trailer.

Now I understand that some of you may be skeptical. I had read similar accounts like mine of people calling, in the 24 forum. When you are reading something that someone else wrote, I admit its kind of hard to believe. But once I called I almost had a heart attack (big fan of 24).

I URGE you guys to give it a try. You may get the mailbox, but then just try again. We were lucky enough to get through on our first try.

BTW, here is the link to the forum where I found the number

Forum Link (http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=fox24&msg=57698.1)

The first posts are from a while ago, but if you go down a couple thousand pages you can see recent ones. The phone number is at the bottom of the first page (310-597-3781).

Edit: We called again later and spoke to the production manager. :D

[killuminati]

I guess nobody is happy for me :(

[Vader]

I think that is AWESOME!!!!

I will have to try it!

[killuminati]

You really should, its great. Unfortunately you will have to wait untill monday because the phone is closed on weekends. And supposedly its very hard to get through on mondays because its the day of the new episode and lots of people call about it.

[Vader]

I guess I will try it on Tuesday then!

[XIII]

Hehe, I *have* to speak to Keifer.. :)

[killuminati]

Hehe, I *have* to speak to Keifer.. :)

hehe, I'm also gona try and talk to him the next time I call. :rolleyes:

[XIII]

Shut at the weekend, COME ON MONDAY! O__o! :D

[Aldaris]

Whats gonna happen?

And in regards to those fellow members, saying that they can't wrap things up so soon.... I'd just like to say...

It's a rollercoaster with so many twists and turns,... who knows whats gonna happen, but a lot can...

Again as always, Input is always welcome...

-Go Jack

[Porshuh944turbo]

I have to say I was disappointed Chloe left the show.. yes she was a bit weird, but anyone else find her kind of hot?

Maybe it's the geek in me that finds her attractive. She looked much better at the beginning of season 4 than she has before too.. too bad she had to leave the show. :(

[killuminati]

I have to say, I don't miss Chloe, she was a good character but I just didn't like her. Oh well

[Porshuh944turbo]

She always was good for a laugh in a time of peak drama. She always made sure those around her knew how she felt.

[starcrossed]

In case you don't know about the origin of the that 24 phone number, in the episode just after Behrous's girlfriend dies, her phone rings and when he looks at her phone, it displays "Mom" with that number at the bottom, and surprisiging to viewers it was the traditional 555-**** number we're used to, so people starting calling to see if it was definitly real. And it was, it was purposly put to see if people would start calling this secret 24 hotline that linked viewers to the set.

[Aldaris]

Cool, as for the origin of the phone number...

But as for Chloe, I really think she lost some weight, from the previous season(s?)... But she was far too emotional to deal with the daily CTU challanges, imho,... But, I don't think she deserved to just be kicked out of CTU,... I'm suprised Jack hasn't had a way to re-instate her... But anyway...

Can't wait till tonight...(6 Hours 42 Minutes and counting)...

[XIII]

Damn, that Chloae leaving thing is news to me in the UK.. :(

[notjustjay]

I wouldn't discount her yet, there's still plenty of time in the season.

I'm betting she'll be back.

[Porshuh944turbo]

Yeah, I do hope she makes it back on. She was good for the show. So far, I like the casting from season 3 the best.

[Aldaris]

I agree that the casting is not what it was this season from previous seasons, I especially liked seasons two and three's casting,... season two had great twists and turns regarding the cast (with the family, and various terrorist charcters) I thought Jack was going to hook up with the older sister in that season,...

But I still miss Pres. Palmer...
The new guy is,... well theres something I can't put my finger on about him...

[killuminati]

In case you don't know about the origin of the that 24 phone number, in the episode just after Behrous's girlfriend dies, her phone rings and when he looks at her phone, it displays "Mom" with that number at the bottom, and surprisiging to viewers it was the traditional 555-**** number we're used to, so people starting calling to see if it was definitly real. And it was, it was purposly put to see if people would start calling this secret 24 hotline that linked viewers to the set.

Yes I was aware of that, but I never actually tried calling until I read a bunch of others peoples experiances on the 24 forum.

[killuminati]

Damn, that Chloae leaving thing is news to me in the UK.:(


How far behind are you guys?


But I still miss Pres. Palmer...
The new guy is,... well theres something I can't put my finger on about him...

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I don't like him either
I think hes involved with the terrorists:P

[Kwyjibo]

ok, i'm sorry I have to say this but this thread is a discussion of season 4 in america, if the UK's S4 isn't at the same speed you should probably avoid this thread ... if you don't want to avoid it then expect some surprises to come up! Or start a new UK branded discussion thread cuz I personally won't type in white after this post - its a pain to change and a pain to read -

spoiler
I was just starting to like curtis
/spoiler

[killuminati]

spoiler
I was just starting to like curtis
/spoiler

Really, I'v always liked him. I wonder what will happen to him

3:01:00 counting down :D

[Kwyjibo]

he's doin ok now after a few neck snaps

[starcrossed]

For a second tonight they had me thinking that the next episode would be Jack chasing and capturing that guy, and then last 12 hours would be characters just getting back to normal and learning a little bought them. But then I remembered this is 24, you can't make any asumptions, and the shows doesn't end until the final second in the season.

Next week talk (Possible Spoiler if you don't want next week previews) :













Its really going to be interesting seeing Tony back into his old position, especially since you thought it would never be possibly after what he did last season. Hopefully this may mean a happier Tony and the return of Michelle (even though Reiko's supposedly has another show shes working on so it may not be likely). With still 12 hours left in the season and having 2 major terrorist plots stopped, its interesting to think what they have cooked up for rest of this season that could be worse than the other scenarios. Hopefully nexts week's hour will give us a nice look into what is the come in the next act of Day 4.

[notjustjay]

I dunno, it all seems kinda deus ex machina to me. (Wow, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that phrase for years.) Oh look, Jack and Tony are reprising the same roles they've held for all four seasons. How convenient.

In other news, was anyone else reminded of JDS Uniphase when they stormed the building looking for the override?

[sarae]

I dunno, it all seems kinda deus ex machina to me. (Wow, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that phrase for years.) Oh look, Jack and Tony are reprising the same roles they've held for all four seasons. How convenient.


Yeah, that's the problem with the fact that the show's been on so long. On one hand, I applaud the fact that they canned almost the entire staff from previous seasons, but at the same time it feels a little weird to have hardly any link to the past seasons, aside from Jack, Chloe and now Tony.

I have to say, I'm pretty stumped as to what they're going to do next. There's got to be some big plot diversion around the corner, but I have no idea what it'll be. I like trying to predict what's up next, so I hate this!

[Kwyjibo]

I dunno, it all seems kinda deus ex machina to me. (Wow, I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that phrase for years.) Oh look, Jack and Tony are reprising the same roles they've held for all four seasons. How convenient.

In other news, was anyone else reminded of JDS Uniphase when they stormed the building looking for the override?

not the exact same
s1: jack is director - tony is like the #3 guy at best
s2: Mason is dirrector- gets radiated = tony put into power becuase he's now the #2 guy naturally promoted , chapelle lets him keep his job
s3: new division of power with jack at tactical and tony at comm ..... independant until jack ousts tony for doing bad stuff
s4: tony in jail.

seems like its only a repeat of .5 season truly .... and 1.5 vaguely ... Heller is going to be staying at CTU for a while it seems ... anyone else get a hinky vibe from audrey today ...?

[killuminati]

That was a great episode. Its really got me guessing as to the next plot twist. What could be worse than a huge nuclear meltdown???

BTW, If your interested there was a 24inside webcast released tonight. They interview Kim Raver and Joseph Hodges.

[jefhatfield]

Its really going to be interesting seeing Tony back into his old position, especially since you thought it would never be possibly after what he did last season. Hopefully this may mean a happier Tony and the return of Michelle (even though Reiko's supposedly has another show shes working on so it may not be likely). With still 12 hours left in the season and having 2 major terrorist plots stopped, its interesting to think what they have cooked up for rest of this season that could be worse than the other scenarios. Hopefully nexts week's hour will give us a nice look into what is the come in the next act of Day 4.

i think the terrorists will turn out to be more than just a middle eastern operation...they will have ties deep into the us govt and something tells me that the secretary of defense has some subordinates who are not completely honest...maybe the secretary of defense has something big to hide

i can't see another half of a season devoted to having jack singlehandedly, with little help, stopping a terrorist contingency plan ala a-bomb, kidnapping, or virus...it all has been done

jack will have some problems with his relationship to his girlfriend and that will be the major subplot from now on, i think

perhaps salazar's men will come back into the fold...so far, they were the best evil villains on 24

[killuminati]

I just still don't understand. The next plot has to be bigger than a nuclear meltdown. They wouldnt have the plots go down in importance. But what in the world would be bigger than that??? Even if they assisinated the president it wouldnt be as bad. Millions of people would have died.

I really liked the ending of this episode though because it wasn't that suspenseful. I'll be able to last till next monday

[Aldaris]

I was just thinking "Heck Ya" finally someone else at CTU (besides Jack of course...) can handle themselves,... when curtis took out those two guards,...

I most likely think that the plots will be "Marwan" telling other terror cells to commence their own specific attacks (if any), and Jack trying to get Marwan before to much else can happen... imo...

But I am glad that we can get off the whole meltdown plot now...

(Humorful Opinion) Hey hopefully Edgar Stiles will get a raise, see a doctor and fix his speech impediment...

Looking forward to next week...

[sirius1722]

Driscoll's daughter's suicide kind of caught me off guard. I mean, you knew something was gonna happen to her, but not her slashing her wrists... I actually gasped and my friend got on my case about it (I never get into TV series :p) This is my first season of 24 and I have to admit, it's won a place into my favorites list.


On a side note, whenever I see Marwan, my friend and I can't help but start chanting, "Imohtep....Imohtep..." ;)

[killuminati]

Driscoll's daughter's suicide kind of caught me off guard. I mean, you knew something was gonna happen to her, but not her slashing her wrists...

Even though it was sad when she commited suicide, a part of me was relieved. I was starting to get sick of this side plot. Everytime you would see that I would think to myself 'Ok, hurry up and get back to the action!' :p

[SilentPanda]

(Spoiler of future episodes)

Michelle will be back as will Palmer... if you look at the IMDB guest appearance list you see that Palmer will be back April 25th (Episode 19, 1am onwards) and that in the very last episode somebody is credited as Michelle Dessler's assistant... I suppose that doesn't mean Michelle is back but... something about her... maybe Tony and her get back together or something. Who knows?

[emw]

That was a great episode. Its really got me guessing as to the next plot twist. What could be worse than a huge nuclear meltdown???

From the previews, it looks like a couple of things:

1) Either gov't or gov't contractors selling weapons to terrorists

2) The comment about "get the choppers out of the area" and then the following scenes seem to indicate a potential EM bomb (a la Alias)?

3) The comment from the mother about multiple cells would seem to indicate (as someone else mentioned) that there will likely be more action from other independent cells. Perhaps tracking them down somehow through Marwan.

I agree that this episode was good. I haven't watched S1-3, so I don't get bogged down in any plot similarities, which I guess is an advantage.

[emw]

ok, i'm sorry I have to say this but this thread is a discussion of season 4 in america, if the UK's S4 isn't at the same speed you should probably avoid this thread ... if you don't want to avoid it then expect some surprises to come up! Or start a new UK branded discussion thread cuz I personally won't type in white after this post - its a pain to change and a pain to read - I agree completely. I think any discussion about what has already been aired (either on the show or in previews) is open for conversation here. I'd also say any opinions or predictions of plot twists should also be allowed. People coming to this thread should assume that we'll talk about things we've seen...

If you have something (like SilentPanda) that may be considered "privileged" information, or something that is factual beyond currently aired information, then it should be whited out.

Sound about right?

[SilentPanda]

Neat! I have privileged information! Glad I got CTU to upgrade my clearance... :P

Yeah... certainly any "factual" stuff (or near factual stuff) from future episodes should be whited out...

[Aldaris]

So I'm assuming "pure speculation" has no need to be whitend?...

But yes I agree totally with if your behind "your the one looking at this thread..." why should we have to step on eggshells...

And I too am greatly relieved that Dressler's daughter is now out... She really was only filler, (Please don't be offended by this opinion, remember it is T.V. ...), when ever they got into a mia scene thats when we talk about stuff that can't wait till the commercial...

[SilentPanda]

So I'm assuming "pure speculation" has no need to be whitend?...

But yes I agree totally with if your behind "your the one looking at this thread..." why should we have to step on eggshells...

And I too am greatly relieved that Dressler's daughter is now out... She really was only filler, (Please don't be offended by this opinion, remember it is T.V. ...), when ever they got into a mia scene thats when we talk about stuff that can't wait till the commercial...

It's weird though... as far as we know, Driscoll's daughter (I'm assuming that's who you actually mean) was only there to make her quit so Tony could step up.

But yeah... I'd agree it's bad in "a real life" way that she killed herslef but in a "get outta my way I want to watch the show" I'm glad she's gone.

[Aldaris]

Pure filler, but "SilentPanda" you do bring up a good point as far as her being there only for a plot progressor, by having Tony, take charge of CTU,...

Anyone else think it's weird that up until the point where Mia went unconcious (Few hours ago...) we didn't hear anything about her until 5:00 and then she ultimatley commits suicide...

Well any thoughts, speculation, or explanation would be greatly appriciated, as always any input welcome.

[emw]

Anyone else think it's weird that up until the point where Mia went unconcious (Few hours ago...) we didn't hear anything about her until 5:00 and then she ultimatley commits suicide...I was wondering about that, too. Perhaps Maya was there to provide an "out" for Driscoll - the job's too much and she resigns, leaving the door open for Tony, which is who they really wanted there?

[SilentPanda]

I was wondering about that, too. Perhaps Maya was there to provide an "out" for Driscoll - the job's too much and she resigns, leaving the door open for Tony, which is who they really wanted there?

Yup... Driscoll was simply a placeholder for Tony and nothing more... unless she comes back and does something interesting... I don't actually recall her doing much of anything except not liking Jack initially...

[L2EPT1L3]

From the previews, it looks like a couple of things:

1) Either gov't or gov't contractors selling weapons to terrorists

2) The comment about "get the choppers out of the area" and then the following scenes seem to indicate a potential EM bomb (a la Alias)?

3) The comment from the mother about multiple cells would seem to indicate (as someone else mentioned) that there will likely be more action from other independent cells. Perhaps tracking them down somehow through Marwan.

I agree that this episode was good. I haven't watched S1-3, so I don't get bogged down in any plot similarities, which I guess is an advantage.

This is my first season I've ever watched, and it's turning out to be the best I've seen yet on TV... Me and my freinds are addicted. And yes, I agree.. Driscol's daughter was getting nervewracking when the action kept getting stopped. I feel sorry for the girl.. I really do. My freind keeps saying that they should've been watching her, it's their job.. Complaining that those people didn't do their job right n crap.. A'wellz...

This Habib Marwan guy freaks me out.. As far as I know, engineers can almost do anything involving technology of all sorts. You gotta watch out for him defenately..

If you take a look at the override's computer, it runs on a pitiful low level windows (maybe 98 or so, I saw ahem... Taskbar *cough*, and *cough* window looking thing *cough*, ).. LOL.

I got a odd feeling when Curtis found the override and was looking around, for a second (when he looked under the desk after he was IN the chair), I thought seriously he was going to say it was a fake override or something.. Scaring me.. lol, but in fact, it WAS the real one. Ah'wellz.. Time for spoilers.

SPOILER:
Now that some of the plan has failed.. Lets remember back, don't you remember that Arab women Dina saying something about there being something else if it did not go right? She hinted VERY VERY tiny, but I noticed she said something, even if it was little, if you were a fanatic, you caught it.. In order for Habib to escape, or a better way to escape, they set off this ElectroMagnetic pulse thing I think.. Which knocks out all survalience and lets him get away. Plus, who knows, all the data on the computers at the corporation will probably be wiped out.. Geez, what drama.. In the previews that MACHINE caught my eye, I almost thought it was another nuclear thing in the building >,< ... From what I see Habib meets up with a man in an alley and they talk (of course not telling you the details.. LOL), but they talk about something else, and that Habib can't go with him now..

[killuminati]

I have a prediction of what will happen now. It's a spiler because its just a guess but I'll put it in white just because im nice :p

I think what will happen now is that since Marwan is impersonating a CTU Officer, he will probably go up to Paul and Audrey and tell them that they need to come with him. And Audrey will be kidnapped again. I think we will then find out that Paul is involved with the terrorists because one of his companies sold them weapons (hence the "they will find out we sold the terrorists weapons" in the preview for next week.

Thats just a guess though, I hope that doesn't come true.

[Aldaris]

Great input and speculation,... I do remember somthing Dina said about some contingincy plan, but not the exact words... but Marwan also said if he's caught it's ALL over...

Did anyone notice on Feb. 28th's episode during the Presidential/CTU/Heller conference, the three spheres on the screen (There was clearly a Red/Yellow/and Green One very similar to Apple's finder windows... any way it was just nice to see a familiar face even if only foe a few seconds...

Keep this thread going! Cause I can't wait till next monday!

[killuminati]

Did anyone notice on Feb. 28th's episode during the Presidential/CTU/Heller conference, the three spheres on the screen (There was clearly a Red/Yellow/and Green One very similar to Apple's finder windows... any way it was just nice to see a familiar face even if only foe a few seconds...

I never noticed that, I will have to rewatch the epipisode

[XIII]

In the UK, the last episode was where we discover that coloured woman is working for the other side (supposedly).. Ya, I think we're miles behind.. :)

[kristo]

what i love about 24 (and maybe this has been brought up earlier but I am far to lazy to read all the pages herein) is

a) Incredibely funny techy dialouge
Ex : 24 - The only way you would see a NAT table is if you are stealing software
Me - Ow Ow, PAIN....
(note : I am a network engineer, so I am probably in the 0.001% that feels this way)

b) the incredibely funny ethnic stereotyping.
Ex : 24 - The code seems to be arabic, maybe turkish
Me - but, turkish ISN'T written in arabic...ow ow ow.

I mean, I understand that the (and try not to take too much offence, and if you do, then I guess you are in the 0.001% of americans that have seen past disney world) "average" american couldn't tell the difference from a turkish person and say, a syrian person, but still....10 seconds on google?

Not that I want to rat on the show, I love it, Jack canes, I love his moments of carnage, excellent stuff. In fact, seeing Jack be so flawless is the reason to watch the show, he is master of his domain, all shall bow, but the rest (cept Curtis now, he is a tough mofo) are just asking to have their corpses teabagged.

heh.

[rueyeet]

I agree that Mia was becoming annoying, but was caught by the near simultaneous discovery of her suicide by Driscoll with someone saying "the meltdown is over" about the day's crisis. I think she was meant to parallel Driscoll's professional stress with the personal.

There's also a continuing theme this season of "sacrifice the children"--Heller authorizing his son's torture, the way Navi Araz treated Beruz, Driscoll having to put aside her daughter's crisis for the nation's....

So now the focus shifts to "catch Marwhan". Did anyone catch that the actor playing Marwhan also played Imhotep, the arch-villian in the Mummy movies? All of which means squat, of course, except that he's damn sexy with his shirt off. :)

Based on the presence of entirely too many non-Arab folks on the bad guys' side, and the unsolved thread of what Heller's son might have been hiding, and the previews with Paul, I'd also agree that the whole plot, from the kidnapping of Heller to the nuclear override to whatever "contingency" they'd planned, smacks heavily of high-level involvement from somewhere in the US and possibly other governments.

We've taken to waiting 15 minutes into the episode and then watching via Tivo....you can skip the commercials on the current episode that way.

[killuminati]

We've taken to waiting 15 minutes into the episode and then watching via Tivo....you can skip the commercials on the current episode that way.

I dont have Tivo so what I do is I just download the episode torrent after the eastern showing (im in the west) and when mine is airing, if I see something I want to rewatch or something I missed, I just rewatch it on my computer during the commercials.

[Mr. Durden]

I mean, I understand that the (and try not to take too much offence, and if you do, then I guess you are in the 0.001% of americans that have seen past disney world) "average" american couldn't tell the difference from a turkish person and say, a syrian person, but still....10 seconds on google?

heh.

Ahh yes. Us dumb Americans. Its amazing we can get our pants on right. :rolleyes:

I have "seen" past disney world... nothing but ocean. :D

[emw]

Can't wait for tonight's episode! Speaking of which, anyone think we'll ever find out what happened to Chloe's friend - the computer guy?

[killuminati]

anyone think we'll ever find out what happened to Chloe's friend - the computer guy?

I believe he is still in the hospital recovering.

The other day I bought the season 1 DVD. I hadn't seen any from that season and I am loving it!!!! I think it is better than the current season.

[Aldaris]

Well season 1 is extremely good and has many plot twists...

But I'm still looking forward to tonight... 1 Hour left...

"Whats gonna happen next?"

[MacNut]

Why did the cell phones work in the building yet everyone else's stopped working. Michelle is back who saw that coming.

[MacNut]

This is the only show on TV that can pull me off of the couch in suspense.

[sarae]

Why did the cell phones work in the building yet everyone else's stopped working. Michelle is back who saw that coming.


I thought those were some kind of heavy duty walkie-talkie.. but I would have thought they'd be affected too..

The moment they said that Driscoll's replacement was there and that it was a "she" I knew it was Michelle. Looking forward to next week!

[atszyman]

I thought those were some kind of heavy duty walkie-talkie.. but I would have thought they'd be affected too..

They are heavy duty walkie talkies and the reason they work is range pure and simple. The WTs only have to communicate a few hundred feet max, the cell phones need to make it to the nearest cell base station which could be blocks away. The WTs did have a lot of excess static but were still useable.

Hope this helps.

[killuminati]

Michelle is back who saw that coming.

I did, but I never imagined her coming back as head of ctu. I had a hunch though when heller said it was a she.

[Kwyjibo]

I figured it out as soon as Heller said we'll get someone from division, it was noted earlier that michelle was at division.

[emw]

You know, I love this show, but sometimes it must be like a doctor watching ER, or a cop watching NYPD Blue - you pick up on all the stupid technological inconsistencies.

I love how they're inside a defense contractor's building - on a network that's likely got to be fairly secure, right? But somehow Edgar can open up a chat window to a PC on site? Why didn't they just hack in and get the information that way?

Then Jack moves to another PC and gives an "ethernet address" like 6E3F99 or something. WTF is that?

And finally, they stumble upon an incriminating encrypted file. What do they do? Save it to a USB drive or something? No, they print it out.

Ah, well, you can't expect perfection, I suppose.

That being said, I'm looking forward to the next couple of episodes.

[Toeknee]

Michelle is back who saw that coming.

Man I soooo saw that coming I dont know why. Just to throw a wrench into things at CTU.

[mgargan1]

You know, I love this show, but sometimes it must be like a doctor watching ER, or a cop watching NYPD Blue - you pick up on all the stupid technological inconsistencies.

I love how they're inside a defense contractor's building - on a network that's likely got to be fairly secure, right? But somehow Edgar can open up a chat window to a PC on site? Why didn't they just hack in and get the information that way?

Then Jack moves to another PC and gives an "ethernet address" like 6E3F99 or something. WTF is that?

And finally, they stumble upon an incriminating encrypted file. What do they do? Save it to a USB drive or something? No, they print it out.

Ah, well, you can't expect perfection, I suppose.

That being said, I'm looking forward to the next couple of episodes.

I was thinking the same thing, actually I was expecting an IP, like 192.68.. etc, then I thought he was going to name the MAC address, but that would take FOREVER. I think they did that to save time, and have to assume that due to tv magic, that it just works (i guess they use some sort of macs).

[emw]

I was thinking the same thing, actually I was expecting an IP, like 192.68.. etc, then I thought he was going to name the MAC address, but that would take FOREVER. I think they did that to save time, and have to assume that due to tv magic, that it just works (i guess they use some sort of macs).Yeah, I guess I was hoping perhaps they'd just say something generic like "what's the workstation ID?" Too picky, I guess.

[SilentPanda]

Why did the cell phones work in the building yet everyone else's stopped working. Michelle is back who saw that coming.

I mentioned she would be coming back sometime on March 1st... but not until the last episode of the season... ah well...

[SilentPanda]

I love how they're inside a defense contractor's building - on a network that's likely got to be fairly secure, right? But somehow Edgar can open up a chat window to a PC on site? Why didn't they just hack in and get the information that way?

While I agree it was silly I think it's more like once Paul got onto the computer he was logged into iChat or something and then Edgar could message him that way. Silly but... it's not like he "hacked" into it, installed a messaging program, etc. Although why Paul would've logged into iChat... who knows? But it was simply a way to reach them although I do agree it was pretty dumb.

Then Jack moves to another PC and gives an "ethernet address" like 6E3F99 or something. WTF is that?

I think they were conveying the MAC address but only gave 3 of the 6 numbers. I could see not wanting to give a valid MAC address so just cut it short...

And finally, they stumble upon an incriminating encrypted file. What do they do? Save it to a USB drive or something? No, they print it out.

Maybe they didn't have one? Printing it out, while slow, was the only non-electrical way to store it.

The other thing to take into consideration is that people are sometimes not as smart as they normally are when they're under a lot of pressure... the first option that comes to ones head is usually your only option due to time. Just be glad he didn't say, "Good thing I have this anti-EMP USB drive". :)

[SilentPanda]

I was thinking the same thing, actually I was expecting an IP, like 192.68.. etc, then I thought he was going to name the MAC address, but that would take FOREVER. I think they did that to save time, and have to assume that due to tv magic, that it just works (i guess they use some sort of macs).

An IP address is only 4 digits and a MAC address is 6 digits... it wouldn't have taken that much longer...

[emw]

Maybe they didn't have one? What? Not even an iPod Shuffle?! :D

Printing it out, while slow, was the only non-electrical way to store it.True, I suppose.

I guess I'm a little unclear on the whole EMP thing. If it wipes out even "passive" electrical devices like a USB drive, why would the flashlights still work?

[SilentPanda]

I guess I'm a little unclear on the whole EMP thing. If it wipes out even "passive" electrical devices like a USB drive, why would the flashlights still work?

I was actually curious about that too until I remembered I have no idea what an EMP is other than what Hollywood tells me it is.

[emw]

I was actually curious about that too until I remembered I have no idea what an EMP is other than what Hollywood tells me it is.
Extremely
Manipulative
Plot device

It's like using amnesia, only more exciting.

[atszyman]

Then Jack moves to another PC and gives an "ethernet address" like 6E3F99 or something. WTF is that?

This bothered me too, until about 2 minutes ago. Here's what I think. Having worked for a large defense contractor I remembered that IT was in charge of setting up computers and named them based on the employee number of the computers main user. The 6E3F99 could easily be an employee number, part of the computer's SN or some other asset tracking number used for conformity.

As for EMPs if I understand them correctly, which I probably don't, they will royally F-up any active electronics and manage to corrupt any magnetic media beyond repair. Flashlights should still work since I don't think an EMP would hurt the batteries and shouldn't do anything to the filaments in the bulbs. A USB flash drive would have been a better choice for storing assuming that you get it unplugged before the EMP. Of course I'm probably wrong.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the printout, are they going to get someone to type it in? Also have you ever opened an encrypted/compressed file in a text editor? A 1 MB zip is over 11,000 pages long, they must have the worlds fastest printer and use 1 pt fonts, if Paul is going to cary that around.

Edit:
Another thought, don't you think that any company researching EMPs would have a really good offsite backup just in case something went wrong?

[SilentPanda]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the printout, are they going to get someone to type it in? Also have you ever opened an encrypted/compressed file in a text editor? A 1 MB zip is over 11,000 pages long, they must have the worlds fastest printer and use 1 pt fonts, if Paul is going to cary that around.

Edit:
Another thought, don't you think that any company researching EMPs would have a really good offsite backup just in case something went wrong?

They could always OCR the printout into a system.

I would hope they'd have off site backups but... there's no guarantee that that data would be off site. Often times backups will only take place on corporate servers and not on personal machines. So any data that was soley on the users machine may not have been backed up off site.

[SilentPanda]

Now that I think about it, the printout is pretty worthless even if they got the whole thing printed out and laminated it for safe keeping... since it was an encrypted file odds are a decent amount of the characters were outside of the "normal" printable range... therefore a lot of the characters on the printout that are blank or just blocks or whatever are most likely many different hex values. There's pretty much no way to restore a data file from a printout. Many of the bytes aren't going to print as unique values.

They may as well throw it out.

[benpatient]

I had a bigger problem with the whole EMP thing....namely that a defense contractor does live research on a top-secret weapon in it's downtown LA corporate headquarters!

I mean, WTF is that? "Let's go down to the EMP chamber and set off our in-building experimental EMP bomb?"

No, if they had such a device, it would be in a bunker in Nevada somewhere....

I was also impressed with the stupidity of mary ann using the power lines to hack into sara's system...i know what technology they were trying to reference, but it isn't capable of doing what they said she did. Pretty embarrassing "solution" to a problem they could have easily worked around in the plot.

[baummer]

For these technical "glitches", one thing to keep in mind...24 is set in the day after tomorrow; the future. Perhaps ethernet addresses have changed, etc. Just a thought.

[jefhatfield]

This bothered me too, until about 2 minutes ago. Here's what I think. Having worked for a large defense contractor I remembered that IT was in charge of setting up computers and named them based on the employee number of the computers main user. The 6E3F99 could easily be an employee number, part of the computer's SN or some other asset tracking number used for conformity.

As for EMPs if I understand them correctly, which I probably don't, they will royally F-up any active electronics and manage to corrupt any magnetic media beyond repair. Flashlights should still work since I don't think an EMP would hurt the batteries and shouldn't do anything to the filaments in the bulbs. A USB flash drive would have been a better choice for storing assuming that you get it unplugged before the EMP. Of course I'm probably wrong.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the printout, are they going to get someone to type it in? Also have you ever opened an encrypted/compressed file in a text editor? A 1 MB zip is over 11,000 pages long, they must have the worlds fastest printer and use 1 pt fonts, if Paul is going to cary that around.

Edit:
Another thought, don't you think that any company researching EMPs would have a really good offsite backup just in case something went wrong?

the so called network address is a hex number, that's all, as opposed to octets, binary numbers, etc...

we don't want jack bauer and company to find out too soon about all the movements of the evil defense contractor since we still have a lot of weeks to go...and to build or rebuild the michelle and tony relationship...that alone should be worth a couple of episodes ;)

[SilentPanda]

For these technical "glitches", one thing to keep in mind...24 is set in the day after tomorrow; the future. Perhaps ethernet addresses have changed, etc. Just a thought.

Let's see... day after tomorrow would be.... Thursday... we'll see what's changed by then... we'll see...

;)

We also realize it's a TV show and not perfect. We just like to question things... :)

[rueyeet]

An EMP as defined within the show is supposed to wipe out all electronic devices within the radius; I would think that would apply to a USB memory stick if it's supposed to apply to every hard drive in the building. Why it wouldn't also fry the flashlights when it darkened city blocks all around, I have no idea. We were just happy that the EMP pulse wasn't visible, even if the thing itself glowed when it was set off.

But yeah, who has one of those in the heart of any downtown area?

One thing certain: the company MUST have offsite backups. Otherwise, they'd lose all their research for however many years is on their drives.

Who else thinks that the company guys (except the CEO) were somehow in on what Marwan was doing, and are in on it? Given the reprecussions of killing a federal agent, it does seem they're trying to avoid more than bad press. :eek:

[SilentPanda]

Who else thinks that the company guys (except the CEO) were somehow in on what Marwan was doing, and are in on it? Given the reprecussions of killing a federal agent, it does seem they're trying to avoid more than bad press. :eek:

I partially recall one of the 3 men saying something about them "selling weapons to terrorists". It sounded like something completely separate from the override which wasn't really sold to Marwan... so that may have been something else they were trying to conceal.

[atszyman]

An EMP as defined within the show is supposed to wipe out all electronic devices within the radius; I would think that would apply to a USB memory stick if it's supposed to apply to every hard drive in the building. Why it wouldn't also fry the flashlights when it darkened city blocks all around, I have no idea. We were just happy that the EMP pulse wasn't visible, even if the thing itself glowed when it was set off.


Well HDs are magnetic media so a massive magnetic field would corrupt the data, where as a Flash memory is not magnetic.

As for the flashlights I assumed that the EMP was killing electronics associated with distribution stations rather than the light bulbs themselves which would explain the flashlights.

[killuminati]

I can understand how people can get _______(negative word) about all the technical wrongs in 24, but people its only a show. It is so much more enjoyable if you just watch and believe what is happening. In everysingle moive/tv show there will always be slight technical mistakes. But wouldn't you rather have a well written and well acted show as opposed to a boring show with nerds where everything is perfect?

[obeygiant]

a boring show with nerds where everything is perfect?

hay that sounds cool, we could call it "PERFECT NERD LAND SHOW".


Anyway, 24 has its good moments and bad moments. Bad being the point where Jack started electricuting Paul for information, instead of explaining the situation first and asking good questions. Its like the motif in this show is torture first, think and ask questions after.

Eventhough I thought it was stupid to pass up Curtis to head CTU when Erin Driscoll left, i did like the plot twist of bringing in that dudes ex-wife at the end.


Furthermore, I realize some things and situations and just in the story to serve as a plot device, but having Erin Driscoll's daughter being an obnoxious schizo and getting on everyones nerves is kinda stupid. (okay 24 isnt real but i'm going to pretend right now) Like they should've sedated her and made her sleep the day off, and where the hell did she get the instument to slit her wrists? And when Erin came in and found her daughter dead. I like how all the doctors and nurses are just sitting around staring at her instead of doing anything about it. Thats fricking retarded. When Erin walked in there is a Doctor Squatting right next to her doing nothing. DUMB.




Anyway, who else thinks they'll Bring back super-bitch Chloe by the end of the season. Raise your hand.

[killuminati]

Eventhough I thought it was stupid to pass up Curtis to head CTU when Erin Driscoll left, i did like the plot twist of bringing in that dudes ex-wife at the end.


Obviousely you are a new watcher. The new head of CTU isnt just some guys ex-wife. She's Michelle. She was in the previois seasons. That's why the show ended with that scene, because they brought back an old character that everyone wanted to see.

[obeygiant]

Obviousely you are a new watcher. The new head of CTU isnt just some guys ex-wife. She's Michelle. She was in the previois seasons. That's why the show ended with that scene, because they brought back an old character that everyone wanted to see.

no,, i remember her from last season. I also like the back story of the fact that (god, i cant remember that guys name!) MR. X and how he virtually gave up everything for her and did all this **** for her and then she dumps him.
Whats that famous line in "As Good As It Gets"?

Girl: How do you write women so well?
Jack Nicolson: Easy, I write for a man and I take away reason and accountability.


pwned

[Vader]

Obviousely you are a new watcher. The new head of CTU isnt just some guys ex-wife. She's Michelle. She was in the previois seasons. That's why the show ended with that scene, because they brought back an old character that everyone wanted to see.
I am totally excited about Michelle being back, I love seeing the old characters come back, I almost peed my pants in excitement when Tony came on, and I like that he still has his cubs mug! :D

[killuminati]

I believe you are talking about Tony, Tony Almeida. I love is name, it sounds so cool.

Funny quote.

[Vader]

no,, i remember her from last season. I also like the back story of the fact that (god, i cant remember that guys name!) MR. X and how he virtually gave up everything for her and did all this **** for her and then she dumps him.
Whats that famous line in "As Good As It Gets"?

Girl: How do you write women so well?
Jack Nicolson: Easy, I write for a man and I take away reason and accountability.


pwned

His name is Tony Almeida, and he was getting drunk and all depressed and sorry for himself when he got out of jail, so she dumped him.

[Kwyjibo]

Anyway, 24 has its good moments and bad moments. Bad being the point where Jack started electricuting Paul for information, instead of explaining the situation first and asking good questions.

cuz jack is a badass, chloe ain't a super bitch quite the opposite, she's just uppity.


the show stretches somethings but still works in the realm of reality for me most of the time.

[SilentPanda]

but people its only a show

Maybe you should mark this as a spoiler? I thought it was real life and the terrorists had an agreement with the camera people that they could be filmed so long as they didn't tell anybody at CTU.

Next you're going to tell me "The Snorks" aren't real either... but try proving that...

[obeygiant]

Maybe you should mark this as a spoiler? I thought it was real life and the terrorists had an agreement with the camera people that they could be filmed so long as they didn't tell anybody at CTU.

Next you're going to tell me "The Snorks" aren't real either... but try proving that...


LOL SNORKS


Maybe Speach-impediement man (Edgar Stiles) could pass for a snork..
or possibly Gargamel from the smurfs. bd-I bd-get bd-u bd-next bd-time bd-u bd-wacky bd-smurf/terrorists.

[Vader]

I call him "Special" Ed!

[XIII]

*bump* :)

UK is at a nice point atm. :D Any other UK watchers here? I wanna talk about it! :)

[SilentPanda]

U.S. Spoiler for Mar 21st:

Chloe will be back.... so says the IMDB.

[Aldaris]

Okay anyone who's whining about a pay-grade and a "False" accusation on a day like that... Needs to be gotten rid off... That's ridiculous or at least I thought so...

Anyone else glad to see some civilians help out Jack?

And any speculation on Paul's fate, (and possibly Audrey's found feelings for him...)

Oh and here is the biggy for speculation... now that were back to 12 hours or less... what is gonna happen to the President?

[emw]

Okay anyone who's whining about a pay-grade and a "False" accusation on a day like that... Needs to be gotten rid off... That's ridiculous or at least I thought so...Agreed, though I'm not real sure of the plot value of getting rid of her. She went from b**** to showing her softer side with Tony, so it didn't establish a clear personality for this season. (I'm not familiar with previous seasons)

Anyone else glad to see some civilians help out Jack?That was sweet.

And any speculation on Paul's fate, (and possibly Audrey's found feelings for him...)He dies, Audrey blames Jack.

Oh and here is the biggy for speculation... now that were back to 12 hours or less... what is gonna happen to the President?This new guy appears to be either a part of the presidential guard, given the outfit, or maybe a pilot for Air Force One. I don't think anything will happen - it will be a matter of how they prevent something from happening, I think.

[Aldaris]

This is Gavin's first Season with 24, ... and I agree she hasn't really established anything,... even Edgar has established him even with the "Special" factor...

And I really do agree with the Audrey-Paul-Jack triangle... As far as her blaming Jack when he kicks the bucket, or becomes a vegtable... She already said that she feels different,... seeing the other side of him...

And the next target seems to be the President, although it is not known in what capacity... (Marwan's buddy is going to impersonate a Military official to some extent, thats all we know so far,...-He also takes the family of the guy he's impersonating hostage from the teaser for next week-)

Can't wait...

[benpatient]

my less-than-certain prediction from week 3 still holds. This week, i felt it was made stronger. Those that don't know, I am predicting that SecDef Heller is in reality a terrorist, or at least in bed with them. If he isn't, then his son almost certainly is.

There is too much about the "abduction" and "trial" that was beyond coincidental. Either this season's writing doesn't hold up on a macro level, or there are some "gotcha" twists coming up soon that will allude to things we "should have figured out" in the first couple hours of the season.

I was terribly annoyed by Sarah Gavin turning into Chloe all the sudden last night.

I was also annoyed by jack saying "we need to start a firefight so CTU will find us" and then Tony saying the exact same thing 10 minutes later. That was pretty stupid. "I know how jack thinks" isn't a good enough excuse. There isn't a "downtown post-EMP-blast-and-any-coordinated-radio-chatter-is-a-sign-of-an-intentional-firefight-to-show-us-where-our-agents-are" protocol. That's just silly. And how many gun stores are there in downtown (business district) L.A.?

I think Audrey is going to "get over" Jack when Paul dies/vegetables, and then she's going to decide that she likes Tony.

So Jack and Tony will be fighting over Audrey, and Michelle and Audrey will be fighting over Tony. Then, just when it couldn't get any worse, Jack will turn to the only person he can trust (because he can't trust Tony anymore), Former President Palmer. Then Chloe will come back because she heard that Erin has been relieved of duty (and that Tony aaand michelle are back, woo hoo!), and she'll bring Kim Bauer along, because Kim is the only one who can outrun the Terrorists/SecDef's trained mountain lion commandos (with frickin' lasers attached to their heads, no less), and then she will fall in love with That arab boy whose parents were trying to kill him earlier in the day.


There you have it...if any of this stuff comes true, then I apologize for the spoilers in advance. I have not seen the script.

;)

[Vader]

My favorite line was what senator Heller said to the President's people, "I think the President should stay in the air for at least another hour."

I couldn't believe it, he has already been up there all day, he will need to refuel soon!

[SilentPanda]

My favorite line was what senator Heller said to the President's people, "I think the President should stay in the air for at least another hour."

I couldn't believe it, he has already been up there all day, he will need to refuel soon!

They can refuel in the air. Also planes can fly for well over 12 hours.

[jefhatfield]

my less-than-certain prediction from week 3 still holds. This week, i felt it was made stronger. Those that don't know, I am predicting that SecDef Heller is in reality a terrorist, or at least in bed with them. If he isn't, then his son almost certainly is.

There is too much about the "abduction" and "trial" that was beyond coincidental. Either this season's writing doesn't hold up on a macro level, or there are some "gotcha" twists coming up soon that will allude to things we "should have figured out" in the first couple hours of the season.

I was terribly annoyed by Sarah Gavin turning into Chloe all the sudden last night.

I was also annoyed by jack saying "we need to start a firefight so CTU will find us" and then Tony saying the exact same thing 10 minutes later. That was pretty stupid. "I know how jack thinks" isn't a good enough excuse. There isn't a "downtown post-EMP-blast-and-any-coordinated-radio-chatter-is-a-sign-of-an-intentional-firefight-to-show-us-where-our-agents-are" protocol. That's just silly. And how many gun stores are there in downtown (business district) L.A.?

I think Audrey is going to "get over" Jack when Paul dies/vegetables, and then she's going to decide that she likes Tony.

So Jack and Tony will be fighting over Audrey, and Michelle and Audrey will be fighting over Tony. Then, just when it couldn't get any worse, Jack will turn to the only person he can trust (because he can't trust Tony anymore), Former President Palmer. Then Chloe will come back because she heard that Erin has been relieved of duty (and that Tony aaand michelle are back, woo hoo!), and she'll bring Kim Bauer along, because Kim is the only one who can outrun the Terrorists/SecDef's trained mountain lion commandos (with frickin' lasers attached to their heads, no less), and then she will fall in love with That arab boy whose parents were trying to kill him earlier in the day.


There you have it...if any of this stuff comes true, then I apologize for the spoilers in advance. I have not seen the script.

;)

actually, having seen all the previous seasons, much of what you predict does not sound all that crazy

kim will come back now that they have tony and michelle back in the script

chloe will come back since she has gained regulars status

and somebody big, like secretary heller, or even the president, will turn out to be "in bed" with the terrorists...perhaps it won't be heller or the president being that tight with marwan, but they will have a common friend which will have to make heller and/or the president go into coverup mode...and like always, jack bauer will be alone fighting everybody...jack is best when he is an island and goes against the world...and because of that, he will lose his girlfriend

and in the end jack will be right...and the terrorists, the us government, ctu, and the los angeles police department (who he used to work for) will all be wrong

from the past seasons, remember how flawed they made president palmer? he did tons of illegal things yet he was still a good guy and i have a feeling that they will make this current president evil and perhaps controlled by somebody within his own administration

the terrorists will end up being a conglomeration of arabs, americans, and europeans...and of course, people within ctu...ctu has to always have a turncoat(s) every season to make this show work

[benpatient]

you reminded me of something that i forgot to complain about.

The imbedded dual-purpose PSA in last night's episode. They managed to be pro NRA (if you couldn't buy assault rifles in downtown LA, then jack and paul would have been slaughtered last night...therefore guns are good!) and do a little "see, not all arab men are terrorists" supplimental apologizing because they've been so...blatant...about it this season. I bet those 2 brothers who owned the gun shop weren't arabs until News Corp execs saw the script and started "suggesting changes" a few months ago.

pretty transparent pandering...


"yes, all of the bad guys in our show are arabs, but look! we put these two hard-working, america-loving arab guys in the show who were willing to die to defend america from the terrorists!!!"

[killuminati]

"yes, all of the bad guys in our show are arabs, but look! we put these two hard-working, america-loving arab guys in the show who were willing to die to defend america from the terrorists!!!"

Exactly what I was thinking while watching. It's pretty sad that they have to do that though.

As for Sarah, she needed to go. All she seemed to care about was money. She could have talked about it at the end of the day, why bring that up then? Although Michelle seemed to be the bad guy (or girl) in that scene I probably would have done the same thing.

[emw]

Hmmm. No chatter on last night's episode? Not quite sure what to think. There were several parts that just seemed wrong - like why would Dina Araz not shoot Jack, given the chance with Marwan. She's stated several times that she still believes in her cause, she knows CTU can't see what she's doing, and she already stated she wanted to kill him. She's and intelligent woman, so I can't imagine she'd see any benefit to killing Marwan.

Ah well, good to see Chloe back. And I'm even more suspicious of Heller after the cell phone conversations... next week should be interesting. The fact that the plan is to shoot down the President (I'm assuming, since that guy is hijacking a fighter jet) points even more so to Heller, since he's been suggesting to the President that he "stay in the air a couple more hours."

[Kwyjibo]

interesting connection EMW, I thought about that too ... I do not suspect Heller (YET) because that would follow a pattern (in s2 the secretary of defense was bad, TWICE) so I don't know but maybe he's being manipulated ... Heller was taking those phone calls sort of in secrecy but the President asked for him to keep it private too ....

this episode was mostly filler, things had to switch over and new plotlines had to develop. That being said ... They've always said the true suspense is that anyone (including Jack) can be killed at any time .... and this makes me think it might be jack's last season ... I'm not at all saying I want that but its something in the back of my mind and something I consider possible.

heres some speculation based on spoilers ....


Zap2it has reported palmer is coming back in late april .... why is palmer coming back ... he's not in any line to take an office ... I'm sure it has to do with Jack because him and Jack are so close ... could it be mourning Jack's death or working with jack and jack dying? its all very possible right now.

[sarae]

Hmmm. No chatter on last night's episode? Not quite sure what to think. There were several parts that just seemed wrong - like why would Dina Araz not shoot Jack, given the chance with Marwan. She's stated several times that she still believes in her cause, she knows CTU can't see what she's doing, and she already stated she wanted to kill him. She's and intelligent woman, so I can't imagine she'd see any benefit to killing Marwan.


I think it was entirely due to her son. She didn't know for sure that they weren't still under surveillance - I'm sure Jack was worried after switching cars, but I doubt they told her exactly what was being done to follow them. She knew that if she killed Jack, they'd keep Behrooz from her and she's shown that that's her primary motivation. I figure she tried to shoot Marwan as a last resort - she couldn't kill Jack, and knew if she didn't, she'd be shot.

[emw]

I think it was entirely due to her son. She didn't know for sure that they weren't still under surveillance - I'm sure Jack was worried after switching cars, but I doubt they told her exactly what was being done to follow them. She knew that if she killed Jack, they'd keep Behrooz from her and she's shown that that's her primary motivation. I figure she tried to shoot Marwan as a last resort - she couldn't kill Jack, and knew if she didn't, she'd be shot.Yeah, I suppose. But if she kills Marwan then they both die anyway - Marwan's henchmen kill her and Jack, and the CTU still doesn't get any information. Of course, the whole "hand her an unloaded gun" trick is the oldest one in the book...

[jefhatfield]

in every season jack always finds himself unarmed, injured, and captured

that is rule #1 of 24

the whole point of this series is that he is like batman and robin...escaping and against all odds, taking out the bad guys in the last minute

the only other rule, from what i have seen, is that jack can't always rely on his ctu because jack is doing something they look down upon or there are moles inside of ctu

one day, the makers of the series will truly throw in a monkey wrench and either kill jack in the last hour and bring in a new hero, or just end the series right then and there

[MacNut]

What if Jack gets killed off, its not a guarantee that he will survive everything.

[jefhatfield]

...or jack could go bad like nina myers

[SilentPanda]

I doubt Jack will die this season but... who knows I guess...

However... (spoiler)

Chase comes back on May 2nd (2am-3am, ep 20) and will be back through the end of the season.

[Mr. Durden]

I dont think this is really a spoiler, so I'm not going to white it out... I read an interview with Kiefer and he stated that he didnt really want to come back for season 3, but they convinced him to. I think he said he doubted he would be back for another season past 4, so...

He could get killed off. That would be a hellova shocker. No more Jack Bauer Power Hour. :(

Then of course they would have to try another season with Soul Patch Tony as the lead. I think he could pull it off. But I would still rather Jack keep on rampaging for a few more seasons. :D

[Mr. Durden]

Oh yeah. Forgot to rant on this:

Can you believe how Jack's girlfriend is acting? "Jack, how did this happen?" Then she gets a disgusted look on her face. WHAT? They were just in a gun fight, guys are dropping like flies, Jack keeps all the good guys safe (and he didnt want the guy to come along anyway), and then the guy jumps in front of the bullet and its Jack's fault?

Me thinks she needs some dental work done....

And you can bet that he's gonna die from it, and she'll totally blame Jack. And how about the way they were riding "Special Ed Edgar" about keeping focused after his mom kills herself, but they take half the episode off when wussy guy gets shot!? HE'S NOT DEAD YET! GET BACK TO WORK!

I soooo hope she is in with the terrorists so Jack can pop her one. KA-BLAAAM!

End of rant.

[BoredinEdmonton]

bring Kim back!!

[Vader]

Spoiler, oh, wait, no it isn't:

Jack is caught right now, but there is a secret agent there, with a sniper. They shoot everyone (except Jack), and get Marwan in the leg, then they take the mask off, and it is Kim!!

LOL

[Mr. Durden]

HELLO? (echo: hello, hello, hello)

Ummmm. Are all the 24 posters out there gone? Or was this week too lame to bother posting about? :)

[XIII]

Lol. :)

No one from the UK talks about it.. :(

[Aldaris]

I just think there hasn't been much going on, at least not enough to speculate and discuss...

And I personally think (IMHO) that when Jack leaves, 24 will be over,...
and I'm looking forward to Palmer coming back (more than the Allstate ads anyway.)

So Lets keep this thread moving and speculate on the new unknown plot regarding the President, and the man in uniform.

[MacNut]

Is it me or did Audrey's hair get lighter as the day goes on, and did anyone notice everyone in the whole city is using Sprint phones

[MacNut]

Jack lives another hour.

[MacNut]

Next weeks tease hints Edgar maybe involved.

[sarae]

Next weeks tease shows Edgar maybe involved.
Yeah, but the teases tend to be misleading. I wonder if it will be a mole, they've done that before. Hope it's something else.

[emw]

Yeah, but the teases tend to be misleading. I wonder if it will be a mole, they've done that before. Hope it's something else.Another mole? They need a new trick - they've already had a mole this season in Marianne.

I don't really think Edgar is involved.

[Rod Rod]

The sniper taking out the sniper at the prisoner exchange was a nice piece of suspense. The exchange thing as a diversion for the pilot getting up in the air appears to have worked.

[sarae]

Another mole? They need a new trick - they've already had a mole this season in Marianne.


Theoretically they could still have a mole, because Marianne was a horrid excuse for a mole. She wasn't a trusted member of CTU, was set up to be suspicious from the beginning, and we saw way too many of her phone calls for it to be a surprise. That being said, I'll be annoyed if they go the mole route this season.

If there was one, Edgar would be a pretty bad choice - he seemed far too inept early on, and if he knew the plan he would have saved his mother beforehand, or not been as affected by it, as he would have known what was coming.

[evoluzione]

certainly looks like a good episode next week, but don't they always?

anyone else watch last nights episode with TiVo??? looks like a new TiVo commercial thing, to maybe satisfy the networks....when fast forwarding through the ads, there was a constant "splash screen" type ad displayed over the fast forwarded images in the background. very clever, but somewhat annoying. still, if it keeps TiVo from getting killed, i'm all for it.


anyway, back to 24....yeah the distraction worked well it seems. how many thought Edgar would lose the CD in the pile and forget about it? i love the bad work dynamic between him and Chlöe too. quite a different character to his FBI role in the Sopranos!

[SilentPanda]

anyone else watch last nights episode with TiVo??? looks like a new TiVo commercial thing, to maybe satisfy the networks....when fast forwarding through the ads, there was a constant "splash screen" type ad displayed over the fast forwarded images in the background. very clever, but somewhat annoying. still, if it keeps TiVo from getting killed, i'm all for it.

Didn't notice... I use the commercial skip instead of fast forward... if you have a Tivo Series 2 the code is:

Select - Play - Select - 3 - 0 - Select

I can never get the code to go in while I'm watching Live TV. Only when I'm watching a recorded show. Otherwise it changes to channel 30 instead. Also you may have to reinput the code when your Tivo software is updated (but it's sort of a nice, "Hey we updated your software" notice too... :)).

The when you press the button that used to skip to the end of the program it should skip ahead 30 seconds. If you go to far press the button opposite it which goes back 8 seconds. Fun huh?

[Mr. Durden]

Didn't notice... I use the commercial skip instead of fast forward... if you have a Tivo Series 2 the code is:

Select - Play - Select - 3 - 0 - Select

I can never get the code to go in while I'm watching Live TV. Only when I'm watching a recorded show. Otherwise it changes to channel 30 instead. Also you may have to reinput the code when your Tivo software is updated (but it's sort of a nice, "Hey we updated your software" notice too... :)).

The when you press the button that used to skip to the end of the program it should skip ahead 30 seconds. If you go to far press the button opposite it which goes back 8 seconds. Fun huh?

I love that Tivo trick. I got tires of always having to re-enter it though. Seems like my software was being updated every other day or something.

I did watch it via Tivo, by the way and didnt notice the splash screen thingamajig. I'll pay closer attention next time.

Speaking of Tivo... an I the only one who hates to watch live TV any more? Even at times when I can watch a show when its actually scheduled, which is rare, I usually wait about 15-20 minutes just so I can skip the commercials.

Oh, and since this is the 24 thread, not the Tivo thread.... JACK ROCKS! Although the last couple weeks have been somewhat... how should I say.... ummm.... BORING. Yes, thats it. Boring. Looks like next week may pick up a bit though. And my pick for there being another mole is the secretary of defense guy. In the last episode, I think, he was telling the President to stay up in the air.... hmmmm.

[killuminati]

Although the last couple weeks have been somewhat... how should I say.... ummm.... BORING. Yes, thats it. Boring. Looks like next week may pick up a bit though. And my pick for there being another mole is the secretary of defense guy. In the last episode, I think, he was telling the President to stay up in the air.... hmmmm.

Thats because the last couple episodes have been filler. The other plots were finished and their introducing us to the new one. I think next week it will pick up though. I'm still so sad about Dina. She was my favourite character :(

[emw]

Speaking of Tivo... an I the only one who hates to watch live TV any more? Even at times when I can watch a show when its actually scheduled, which is rare, I usually wait about 15-20 minutes just so I can skip the commercialsI'll tie TiVo and this thread together - I'm in a hotel room last night watching 24, and it's pure hell. Man, I need to have a "portable TiVo" that I can bring with me on the road. Maybe an adapter for my iPod so I can put my spare 10 GB to use!

[jefhatfield]

Oh, and since this is the 24 thread, not the Tivo thread.... JACK ROCKS! Although the last couple weeks have been somewhat... how should I say.... ummm.... BORING. Yes, thats it. Boring. Looks like next week may pick up a bit though. And my pick for there being another mole is the secretary of defense guy. In the last episode, I think, he was telling the President to stay up in the air.... hmmmm.

the second i saw the "bad" pilot i knew it would be an attempt at air force one

i think the president will get killed...this season did not get us to warm up to this president and i think he was only in the plot to get killed, or be a bad guy in the event he does not get killed

perhaps the makers of this show are going to try to cash in on the conspiracy thing (us president and/or high staff partnered with evil, rich terrorists in the middle east) and jack will alone have to stop the conspiracy

in the end it all comes down to backroom deals and the culprits' need to keep things quiet in the name of big oil money

24 is one of the only shows on fox without a conservative agenda...palmer the democrat is the good guy and the republican challenger, who is now the president is the evil guy

and also the "defense contractor" willing to kill jack and his fellow agents in the name of profits and keeping away the bad press

this whole season is leading up to a major betrayal of the bigwigs in the administration or us government against jack and ctu

everything else has been done already...murder, kidnap, evil relatives :) , capture and interrogation, teens in trouble with the law, moles, a-bomb, bio/chem warfare...so we need to see something huge come along...maybe something that will have to be continued into the next season

[rickvanr]

And I'm even more suspicious of Heller after the cell phone conversations... next week should be interesting. The fact that the plan is to shoot down the President (I'm assuming, since that guy is hijacking a fighter jet) points even more so to Heller, since he's been suggesting to the President that he "stay in the air a couple more hours."

I'm more suspicious just because we never got a definitive answer to how they'd know he'd be at his son's. I don't want it to be true, but I don't think I'd be completely shocked if it were the case.

[killuminati]

The fact that the plan is to shoot down the President (I'm assuming, since that guy is hijacking a fighter jet) points even more so to Heller, since he's been suggesting to the President that he "stay in the air a couple more hours."

I also believe that that is their plan. But doesnt airforce one have a bunch of missile defense systems and other things to protect it from attack. I also considered the pilot trying to fly into airforce one but I dont think thats what they would do. The white bad guys dont really seem to enjoy dying.

[jefhatfield]

I also believe that that is their plan. But doesnt airforce one have a bunch of missile defense systems and other things to protect it from attack. I also considered the pilot trying to fly into airforce one but I dont think thats what they would do. The white bad guys dont really seem to enjoy dying.

he's flying a stealth fighter, the f-117, so if he attacks air force one, the president and his staff would never know what hit them

the only way to stop the stealth fighter is to shoot it down before it shoots at air force one, and jack will have to somehow figure out that there's a missing stealth fighter up there ready to do harm to the president

of course the stealth fighter can miss or have a malfunction but that would be very corny

[killuminati]

thanks for that. I don't know anything about whatever subject that is.


:o

[sarae]

I also believe that that is their plan. But doesnt airforce one have a bunch of missile defense systems and other things to protect it from attack. I also considered the pilot trying to fly into airforce one but I dont think thats what they would do. The white bad guys dont really seem to enjoy dying.


I bet they're going to fly the plane into Air Force One. Remember how the jet was being inspected, and the repair guy said that there was a problem with the landing gear. He basically said that the plane would take off and fly perfectly, but that in order to land the plane the pilot would have to eject out of the jet. Once the pretend-pilot found that out, he shot the repairman - he doesn't care about landing the plane.

Spoiler:
Additionally, I think that everything's been pointing towards the president actually dying in the attack. As someone else pointed out, we haven't learned that much about him, unlike previous seasons. Also, Palmer is supposed to be coming back in two weeks (I think) and what better way than to help the Vice President/new President handle the stress of an attack? Palmer has a good relationship with CTU, and could therefore be called in to help out.

[rickvanr]

I bet they're going to fly the plane into Air Force One. Remember how the jet was being inspected, and the repair guy said that there was a problem with the landing gear. He basically said that the plane would take off and fly perfectly, but that in order to land the plane the pilot would have to eject out of the jet. Once the pretend-pilot found that out, he shot the repairman - he doesn't care about landing the plane.


But the pilot does care about staying alive and getting his money. So I don't think it's going to be a kamikaze mission.

[Rod Rod]

This isn't directed at rickvanr, but I guess it's for everyone who's been writing spoilers in white, and for everyone who may be tempted to quote those spoilers.

When quoting something that's color coded as a spoiler, please use the color "EEEEEE." When color coding a spoiler, please use the color "FAFAFA." Thanks. :)

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It's COLOR=EEEEEE (with brackets around it) and COLOR=FAFAFA.

[rickvanr]

or you could do what i did, and delete the spoiler part from the quote

[starcrossed]

Wow! I kinda had a feeling they were going to attack AirForce One but seeing it actually happen was still a real shock. I got the same feeling at the end of this episode that I got in Season 2 where the nuclear bomb went off and it was just quiet and you couldn't believe just what you saw.

Also did anyone notice the return of Mike, former aid to Pres. Palmer from the previous seasons, returning in next weeks episode. I figured after Palmer fired him he would be done for 24, since I can't imagine him working for the opposite political party, but I guess somehow the Vice-President is connected to him, we'll see.

[killuminati]

amazing episode!!! I know this sounds bad but I was kind of happy to see airforce one shot down. I was kinda feeling deprived of 24 'action'. Oh well, I'm all pumped for next week now :D

[Kwyjibo]

I kind of thought keeler would not be around long since after the first 6 episodes ... if you think about it they spent more time developing Behrooz Araz than President Keeler, and typically when they spend time developing characters they will have some signifance ... keeler was not developed he was just a stand in ....

tony was smart figuring out about michelle and buchaan .... she is starting to seem like an "office sloot" sleeping her way to the top in a way. Maybe that will catch up with her.

At the beginning i saw potential in Edgar, he was cool and pretty smart now he seems like an overwhelmed idiot. Chloe is her usual funny self I guess. I wish audrey would move away from the story lines a bit more ... her and jack won't work.

I'm excited for next week, the spoilers made it look exciting.

spoiler below
As some of you know Palmer will be in the last 6 epsidoes .... something had to happen to Keeler to warrant Palmer's return and this is something I had expected all along ...or as the reason ... I did not know AF1 would be shot down until I saw the stealth and it was kind of shocking ... I mean 24 has even't had the balls to kill of a president yet, well I guess now they have.

[Toeknee]

Not one to complain for a great show which many times isn't very accurate but the F-117 has a very limited air to air capability. While the 'Night Hawk' does have the ability to fire an AIM-9 Sidewinder doing so would require the bay doors to be open for a long time to get a good lock. In doing so it would lose its stealth ability. Not to mention I don't think the F-117 has a fire control radar to be able to see the target because its mostly used in an precision air to ground role. Still pretty interesting to see what will happen next week with them fumbling the ball.

[mgargan1]

I never really liked Edgar too much anyway. He always seemed kinda inept, and now he's just making mistake after mistake.

[Toeknee]

After 3 season of having a mole in CTU, I would not be surprised if Edgar was one. He's got those shifty eyes that just make you suspicious. Has anyone caught that show that the actress that plays Chloe is in, its a comedy show and it shows a whole new side to her, I think its called the sketch show or something.

[Kwyjibo]

After 3 season of having a mole in CTU, I would not be surprised if Edgar was one. He's got those shifty eyes that just make you suspicious. Has anyone caught that show that the actress that plays Chloe is in, its a comedy show and it shows a whole new side to her, I think its called the sketch show or something.

there already was a mole in marianne .... and there was no mole in S3 ... only Gayelle, a fake mole

[2jaded2care]

24 is one of the only shows on fox without a conservative agenda...palmer the democrat is the good guy and the republican challenger, who is now the president is the evil guy...

I don't recall the show ever spelling out exactly which party Palmer belongs to -- anyone know for sure? I thought the writers were keeping it cryptic so's not to risk alienating half their audience. Plus I thought last season Senator Keeler was blackmailing Palmer to drop out of the primaries, not the general election, which would put them in the same party. Anyone remember for sure? My DVR fried, so I can't check... (OTOH, some might argue that Sherry was a fictionalized version of a certain NY senator...)

The show is fun, but you have to cut it some slack. I would hope the Air Force has tracking devices buried somewhere deep in the stealth's innards -- I mean, if a Honda Civic can have a LoJack, the US gov't ought to have some way to know where its multi-million-dollar top-secret aircraft are. Plus, I'd think AF1 would've been throwing flares like crazy in that situation. 'Course, I'm just guessing...

I'm not sure about the show leaning dem -- after all, Jack Bauer, the hero, routinely uses torture as an interrogative technique... :confused:

[killuminati]

After 3 season of having a mole in CTU, I would not be surprised if Edgar was one. He's got those shifty eyes that just make you suspicious.

I sure hope theres not another mole. I was disapointed that they even had Mariane this season. I hope that there is no mole next season. After 4 seasons I'm kinda sick of it. The writers need to think up something else.

[Toeknee]

I sure hope theres not another mole. I was disapointed that they even had Mariane this season. I hope that there is no mole next season. After 4 seasons I'm kinda sick of it. The writers need to think up something else.

Yeah when she was exposed to us I was like yeah I saw that coming... the writers do need to get some fresh ideas. How about bringing Kim back or something to replace Edgar.. wouldnt mind that one bit :)

Yeah I mean I love the show too, but if they were gonna get all extreme on us they could have had the pilot steal an F-22 or something :) Originally I thought he was going to let AF1 land then bomb the hell out of it... THAT I could have seen actually happening.

[ebow]

I don't recall the show ever spelling out exactly which party Palmer belongs to -- anyone know for sure? I thought the writers were keeping it cryptic so's not to risk alienating half their audience. Plus I thought last season Senator Keeler was blackmailing Palmer to drop out of the primaries, not the general election, which would put them in the same party. Anyone remember for sure?

I'm fairly confident that in season 1 Palmer said several times how he was likely to be the Democratic candidate for President. (I just caught up one season 1 over the winter--have yet to catch up on season 2.) Still, I don't feel like they have any blatant political biases, just a bias for the dramatic and getting me addicted each season.

[emw]

Finally got around to watching it last night. Good episode - I wasn't surprised at all about AF1 being shot down, as that was an easy call as soon as we knew they were stealing a jet. Although I think that his catching AF1 was a little too easy - did I miss where they had planned to go to LA all along? If it was unscheduled, how did he know where to find them? Hmmm. Heller?

I don't think Edgar's a mole - he's done too much to help, despite the occasional bumbling idiot routine.

[Mr. Durden]

Where has Mr. Secretary of Defense been for the last couple of episodes? I'm thinking he is in on something...

POENTIAL SPOILER. NO, I'M NOT WHITEING IT OUT.
OK. I need to vent a bit. 24 has been my favorite show since season 1. bar none. This season started out AWESOME! Now it seems we are on a streak of like 4-5 weeks of really lame episodes. I mean with all the hype about the "shocking" episode and how this is the only time all season they will be repeating the episode (it comes on 3 times), I was expecting a bit more. Who here didnt figure out at least 2 weeks ago that they were going after AF1? The only slightly shocking thing was that they actually shot it down. And that was even lame. "AF! has suffered an indirect hit..." Blah blah blah. And they wait until the final :30 seconds to do it? Here is an idea. Make a good episode and then top it off with the shocker. Instead, we get a medioker episode, and a "shocker" everyone knew was coming any way.

How about a mid air dog fight between the stealth bomber and the AF1 fighter jets? How about AF1 trying to outmanuver the stealth bomber and building some intensity, and then BAM!? No, no, no. We dont even get to see the attack. We see it on Chloe's screen, with Atari 2600 style graphics. And dont get me started about the previews for next week... <yawn>
OK. END POSSIBLE SPOILER SECTION.

I'm desperately trying to hang on, but I'm getting a bit tired of 24. Please, for the love of god, do something truely exciting or shocking. I may have to put the Tivo to better use soon. :(

[mgargan1]

I don't recall the show ever spelling out exactly which party Palmer belongs to -- anyone know for sure?:

They did say in season one that Palmer was from the Democratic party. I know this for sure, cause i watched the 1st season about a month ago.

[rickvanr]

They did say in season one that Palmer was from the Democratic party. I know this for sure, cause i watched the 1st season about a month ago.

I agree, I watched season 1-3 in february. The whole reason Keeler was bribing Palmer was so he would resign, and leave the democrat party in ruins, so even the successor wouldn't have a chance against him.

In terms of seeing Mike again, where did you see him? And he wasn't a policy maker, he just gave the president advice on what to do in tight spots, when to smile, etc..

[notjustjay]

I was expecting a bit more. Who here didnt figure out at least 2 weeks ago that they were going after AF1? The only slightly shocking thing was that they actually shot it down. And that was even lame. "AF! has suffered an indirect hit..." Blah blah blah. And they wait until the final :30 seconds to do it?


It's better than what I thought they were going to do. In that little silence right after Jack keeps yelling "HAS AIR FORCE ONE BEEN HIT?!?!" -- I figured that's where they were going to cut it.

Doot.

Deet.

Doot.

Deet.

[benpatient]

Not one to complain for a great show which many times isn't very accurate but the F-117 has a very limited air to air capability. While the 'Night Hawk' does have the ability to fire an AIM-9 Sidewinder doing so would require the bay doors to be open for a long time to get a good lock. In doing so it would lose its stealth ability. Not to mention I don't think the F-117 has a fire control radar to be able to see the target because its mostly used in an precision air to ground role. Still pretty interesting to see what will happen next week with them fumbling the ball.

actually, if the F-117A has ANY A-to-A capability at all, it is classified. It's unclassified armament potential is as follows:

2 MK84 2000-pound
2 GBU-10 Paveway II
2 GBU-12 Paveway II
2 GBU-27 Paveway III
2 BLU 109
2 WCMD
2 Mark 61

Of course, it can't hold all of those at once, only various combinations. All of these are air-to-surface (mostly laser-guided) bombs.

Also, the F-117A doesn't come with radar. Anderson couldn't have "seen" AF1 without being sent digital coordinates from the AF. If they knew he was coming (and they did), then he would have lost his second-hand radar feed and would have been flying blind.

Also, the F-117A's only fighter unit is stationed out of Ft. Holloman in New Mexico. They wouldn't be doing "service" on them in California. These planes don't even land to refuel. There are only 36 PIMA F-117As, anyway. At least according to unclassified info.

it IS possible that they are running some sort of new, covert, classified A-to-A weaponry in the F-117A, although it seems pretty unlikely when cruising altitude is typically 35,000 ft.

The radar thing, though, isn't possible to write the plot around. the F-117A is only "invisible" to radar so long as it isn't USING radar itself.

this is worse than the IoPL crap they pulled when Marianne was still alive.

[rickvanr]

chill, it's a TV show, not a documentary. It is after all, entertainment, which is why you watched it.

[Mr. Durden]

actually, if the F-117A has ANY A-to-A capability at all, it is classified. It's unclassified armament potential is as follows:

2 MK84 2000-pound
2 GBU-10 Paveway II
2 GBU-12 Paveway II
2 GBU-27 Paveway III
2 BLU 109
2 WCMD
2 Mark 61

Of course, it can't hold all of those at once, only various combinations. All of these are air-to-surface (mostly laser-guided) bombs.

Also, the F-117A doesn't come with radar. Anderson couldn't have "seen" AF1 without being sent digital coordinates from the AF. If they knew he was coming (and they did), then he would have lost his second-hand radar feed and would have been flying blind.

Also, the F-117A's only fighter unit is stationed out of Ft. Holloman in New Mexico. They wouldn't be doing "service" on them in California. These planes don't even land to refuel. There are only 36 PIMA F-117As, anyway. At least according to unclassified info.

it IS possible that they are running some sort of new, covert, classified A-to-A weaponry in the F-117A, although it seems pretty unlikely when cruising altitude is typically 35,000 ft.

The radar thing, though, isn't possible to write the plot around. the F-117A is only "invisible" to radar so long as it isn't USING radar itself.

this is worse than the IoPL crap they pulled when Marianne was still alive.

Exactly. This kind of crap is exactly why I refuse to watch another second of this lame, totally fictional, for entertainment only, TV show. :rolleyes:

Yes. I realize I was b*tching about it a couple of posts back, but its still a decent show. Just really slow for a long time now.

[killuminati]

I feel that for a bunch of the mentioned reasons, 24 is becoming very fictional. I use to love its realism and I'd be on the edge of my seat at the end of every episode (especially season 1). I just don't feel that anymore. And the sad part is that it wasnt this whole season that was bad. I found all of the daylight hours amazing, but once it got to night it has lost its 24 touch.

:(

oh well.

[Mr. Durden]

I feel that for a bunch of the mentioned reasons, 24 is becoming very fictional. I use to love its realism and I'd be on the edge of my seat at the end of every episode (especially season 1). I just don't feel that anymore. And the sad part is that it wasnt this whole season that was bad. I found all of the daylight hours amazing, but once it got to night it has lost its 24 touch.

:(

oh well.

Agreed. But, nontheless, I'll be hanging on till the end. Your usually guaranteed a bang up final 2 hours. Got my fingers crossed.

[Toeknee]

actually, if the F-117A has ANY A-to-A capability at all, it is classified. It's unclassified armament potential is as follows:

2 MK84 2000-pound
2 GBU-10 Paveway II
2 GBU-12 Paveway II
2 GBU-27 Paveway III
2 BLU 109
2 WCMD
2 Mark 61

Of course, it can't hold all of those at once, only various combinations. All of these are air-to-surface (mostly laser-guided) bombs.

Also, the F-117A doesn't come with radar. Anderson couldn't have "seen" AF1 without being sent digital coordinates from the AF. If they knew he was coming (and they did), then he would have lost his second-hand radar feed and would have been flying blind.

Also, the F-117A's only fighter unit is stationed out of Ft. Holloman in New Mexico. They wouldn't be doing "service" on them in California. These planes don't even land to refuel. There are only 36 PIMA F-117As, anyway. At least according to unclassified info.

it IS possible that they are running some sort of new, covert, classified A-to-A weaponry in the F-117A, although it seems pretty unlikely when cruising altitude is typically 35,000 ft.

The radar thing, though, isn't possible to write the plot around. the F-117A is only "invisible" to radar so long as it isn't USING radar itself.

this is worse than the IoPL crap they pulled when Marianne was still alive.


Yeah good ol' "Jane's at the Controls: F-117 Stealth Fighter", good book. For the most part 24 is pretty accurate but sometimes they do push it. I hope Palmer does come back, maybe just as an advising role or something. I really liked him as president, or just being in the show period

[2jaded2care]

Well, looks like Palmer was the Dem candidate in Season 1, finally found a reference to it in Season 1 (yes, it was bugging me)... Should've figured that out after he lied to investigators in a murder investigation. :rolleyes: Joke! Just a... And looks like Keeler was the Rep opponent, not just a Dem challenger. Mea culpa.

Would think this would make it very hard to plausibly bring back Palmer in any official capacity, seeing as how in that context he would've been responsible for turning the Dems into the Perot party.

[sarae]

Would think this would make it very hard to plausibly bring back Palmer in any official capacity, seeing as how in that context he would've been responsible for turning the Dems into the Perot party.

I've said before that I don't think he'd be brought in as anyone official - unless he has some job in the private sector, in LA? - but perhaps just as an advisor to the VP-turned-Prez, as he's gone through national security crisis before.

[Mr. Durden]

I've said before that I don't think he'd be brought in as anyone official - unless he has some job in the private sector, in LA? - but perhaps just as an advisor to the VP-turned-Prez, as he's gone through national security crisis before.

Well I want him back just to hear that voice. He has the best voice since, umm, (crap, cant remember), the Darth Vader/CNN guys voice.

[Mr. Durden]

JAMES EARL JONES! Phew. That was hard.

[sarae]

Well I want him back just to hear that voice. He has the best voice since, umm, (crap, cant remember), the Darth Vader/CNN guys voice.

Don't you have the All State Insurance commercials during 24's commercial breaks? It's very sad to me, watching 24 sans Palmer...and then see him selling insurance. Ah well.

[Mr. Durden]

Don't you have the All State Insurance commercials during 24's commercial breaks? It's very sad to me, watching 24 sans Palmer...and then see him selling insurance. Ah well.

Yes, but with the magic of Tivo, I'm not stopping for the commercials. :D

[sarae]

Yes, but with the magic of Tivo, I'm not stopping for the commercials. :D


Ah, lucky. Even if I had Tivo I would stop for Pres Palmer....

.. okay, maybe not.

I'm excited for this coming ep! The last few weeks have been setting this up, and now we'll get some big time action (though I did like how Marwan's agent killed and pretended to be the FBI agent. Wonder where she hid the body?)

[2jaded2care]

OK, have to vent about tonight's silly episode.

AF1 is down, Marwan is after the football. Do you:

Send a Delta Force or CTU strike team in? National Guard? Even cops in police copters?... Or Jack with 2 guys in one Bell Jet Ranger (which holds 4, by the way)? I mean, sure, CTU is "stretched thin", as they are fond of saying, but still, this seems a little important. I know Heller wanted Jack to handle it, but did he have to handle it with minimal support?

Why didn't the BJR pilot take out the jeeps while Jack was inside the building to prevent an escape?

Where is the remaining AF1 fighter contingent during all this? Did they get bored and fly home? They could've strafed the Jeeps early on. Heck, this was important enough for a pilot to eject and ditch a fighter, if the Secret Service was incapacitated and the pilot had or could secure a weapon close enough to the football.

Very frustrating. But I'll keep watching, masochist that I am...

[killuminati]

I agree with you about it becoming a little bit to unrealistic but I believe the reason they didn't take out the jeeps were incase jack needed them for something (get away, need something in them) :confused:

That doesnt really make sense, nevermind

[Mr. Durden]

I think the number of posts on this thread is a reflection of 24. Dieing, dieing, dieing. Everyone, clear! <bzapp>. I've got a heartbeat, but its faint.

Last night was a bit of an improvement, but man they seem to be flaiming out, hard. And call me a masochist, too. I'll still be hanging on, but maybe not for next season unless things get considerably better.

[Rod Rod]

Why didn't the BJR pilot take out the jeeps while Jack was inside the building to prevent an escape?
Leaving the Jeeps alone until the attempted escape was probably a good strategic move because it would have been more difficult to find the bad guys if they escaped on foot. (?)

Anyway I thought that couple was toast, but luckily they survived and the husband got medical attention. It was neat to see how heroic they were and for all their interaction with Bauer they only got to see him for about ten seconds.

[killuminati]

I think the number of posts on this thread is a reflection of 24. Dieing, dieing, dieing. Everyone, clear! <bzapp>. I've got a heartbeat, but its faint.

Well put.

But even if next season is just as bad, I will probably watch.

[sarae]

Well put.

But even if next season is just as bad, I will probably watch.

I'm feeling the same way. I found the earlier seasons to be much more engrossing - maybe because there were storylines going on that were outside of Jack/CTU? We didn't really get to care for the president (I think that was a mistake - they could have made it VERY shocking and surprising if they made us feel for him, but they didn't) and I feel like the whole Audrey/Paul plotline is tied up in CTU anyways.

(Note: I do not want Kim to come back with the mountain lions or anything.. but we haven't really been seeing Marwan's side much lately - just when he's being pursued by Jack.)

It's also fairly clear when something is going to happen: if Jack's by himself, he'll meet a band of terrorists. If he has backup, they'll escape. I'm slowly being soured on this season, and if they don't pick it up a lot, I probably won't watch next year.

[Toeknee]

I love the show I really do... just think that after 3 1/2 action packed seasons the writers might be running out of ideas. I mean havent we already done the whole stolen nuke thing? We already covered a virus an assasination attempt and a successful one (AF1). Maybe for season 5 Jack might run for president and have to fight off an invasion from outer space ..... wait thats been done. Just have to wait and see.

[Kwyjibo]

Let me offer my resignation.

[neoelectronaut]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought the premise of 24 was that each episode of the show made up an hour of a day, played out in realtime...hence, "24"...

With 4 seasons under it's belt, I'm pretty sure it passed 24 episodes.

So why the hell hasn't the show ended yet?

[stoid]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought the premise of 24 was that each episode of the show made up an hour of a day, played out in realtime...hence, "24"...

With 4 seasons under it's belt, I'm pretty sure it passed 24 episodes.

So why the hell hasn't the show ended yet?

Each season covers a different 24 hour period, mostly a few years happen inbetween seasons.


End of tonight's episode!

Best. Line. Ever!


"This will help you deal with the pain" *crack* lights out

edit: PALMER'S BACK!!!! No more State Farm commercials!