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maflynn
Nov 4, 2010, 06:58 AM
Ars posted their review of the 11" MBA: Review (http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/11/the-future-of-notebooks-ars-reviews-the-11-macbook-air)

The review seemed fair and balanced. highlighting both some of the positive aspects of the MBA and some of the negative facets.

One thing I had not noticed or thought about was the sleep indicator light. This mac does not have one. I love the pulsating light to indicate whether the laptop is sleeping/on/off. I'm disappointed in apple not having that.

Ars also mentioned the lack of a backlit keyboard and while that's a topic for another thread they really didn't seem to make a major issue out of it.



tibi08
Nov 4, 2010, 07:22 AM
Always nice to read the Ars reviews, a bit more informative than most.

It's funny that Steve said how Apple wouldn't produce a netbook, and yet, that seems to be exactly what they're produced... with one small problem. The price!!

I think the Ars conclusion is very accurate, that this might lead to something more interesting in future - it's not all that interesting in itself.

sinophilia
Nov 4, 2010, 07:26 AM
Thanks for the link.

I'm glad the MBA does not have the sleep light. I can't just close my MacBook and leave it in the bedroom at night, it's just too annoying. The sleep light is cute but I've been having an Alu iMac for 3 years so I'm used to the lack of it. And with the MBA 30-days standby time, you don't really need to know if it's off or sleeping.

sikkinixx
Nov 4, 2010, 08:22 AM
I'll be happy to see some comparisons in the future about how performance changes against a unit with 4GB Ram or the 1.6ghz model. I like Ars reviews though, no crazy indepth like Anantech's was but useful.

After playing with one at the store I am rather taken with it. The value proposition of getting anything above the 999$ version is a bit hard though. These reviews keep me teetering back and forth :p

bossxii
Nov 4, 2010, 09:29 AM
Always nice to read the Ars reviews, a bit more informative than most.

It's funny that Steve said how Apple wouldn't produce a netbook, and yet, that seems to be exactly what they're produced... with one small problem. The price!!

I think the Ars conclusion is very accurate, that this might lead to something more interesting in future - it's not all that interesting in itself.

First off, thanks for the link. Good review and seemed pretty balanced in their thoughts and testing.

I don't ever recall SJ saying they wouldn't make a net book. He stated net books are cheap, slow computers that can't do anything useful. Also that Apple doesn't know how to make a $500 computer, which clearly they didn't try that either lol.

The MBA is not cheap $$, it is useful and can run full powered applications, has a full size keyboard (except F keys), useable size trackpad. So ultra portable, net book or laptop, terminology doesn't matter if people find a use for it that suits their needs. Personally find it to small just as I did other net books. The 13" MBA will serve my portability needs just fine, the 11" is to limited in several areas for me. (yes I did use one for nearly a week before returning it.)

I'm not really disagreeing that is expensive for what you get but none of the Apple laptops are, so it's no huge surprise to anyone familiar with Apple products. The trade off for crazy thin, light and portable comes at a cost.

I do hope the trend moves to solid state storage soon, it makes the overall feel of any computer much faster and finally kills the huge bottleneck spinning platter based drives have had vs the modern CPU and GPU.

mac jones
Nov 4, 2010, 10:00 AM
This 11" is a curious thing.

I do recall that SJ said that they wouldn't make a 'cheap' notebook (as in cheap construction).

The 11" Air ain't el cheapo.

(even though mine makes creaking noises around the plastic area)

runnin17
Nov 4, 2010, 10:07 AM
Always nice to read the Ars reviews, a bit more informative than most.

It's funny that Steve said how Apple wouldn't produce a netbook, and yet, that seems to be exactly what they're produced... with one small problem. The price!!

I think the Ars conclusion is very accurate, that this might lead to something more interesting in future - it's not all that interesting in itself.

It's not a netbook. Netbook's are crippled laptops. What about the 11" MBA is crippled. It is faster than the 13" Macbook and many of the 13" MBP's. Stop making retarded statements!

vistokid
Nov 4, 2010, 10:16 AM
It took them over 2 weeks to put this review together and they didn't bother to review the 13" either?

THUMBS DOWN. Engadgets review was much better.

Jaro65
Nov 4, 2010, 11:52 AM
The 11" Air ain't el cheapo.


In more way than one.... :)

lembowski
Nov 4, 2010, 11:58 AM
Seem slike everyone is reviewing th 11.6, wish someplace would do a review on the 13.3

maflynn
Nov 4, 2010, 12:13 PM
The 11" Air ain't el cheapo.

I don't recall any apple product being cheap, i.e. low priced.

tibi08
Nov 4, 2010, 04:08 PM
It's not a netbook. Netbook's are crippled laptops. What about the 11" MBA is crippled. It is faster than the 13" Macbook and many of the 13" MBP's. Stop making retarded statements!

Sorry but it is a bit crippled. Even if you doubt me, have a look over on Anandtech's just-published review...

The 11-inch MacBook Air is effectively a $999 netbook from Apple.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3991/apples-2010-macbook-air-11-13inch-reviewed/11

Carouser
Nov 4, 2010, 04:15 PM
Sorry but it is a bit crippled. Even if you doubt me, have a look over on Anandtech's just-published review...

Thanks, I looked at the review. It's too bad you quoted them so selectively, because the review said "I call it a netbook because it can do all of the things you could do on a netbook, without any of the performance or quality headaches. You get a great display, a beautiful chassis and much better performance."

That doesn't sound 'a bit crippled' to me.

freitas
Nov 4, 2010, 05:22 PM
Those that dismiss the 11.6 MBA have not used it. I was hesitant at first but after a couple days I love it. We also have a true netbook, Dell mini 10V. Trust me the 11.6 MBA is a real computer and not a toy.

Jaro65
Nov 5, 2010, 02:54 AM
Those that dismiss the 11.6 MBA have not used it. I was hesitant at first but after a couple days I love it. We also have a true netbook, Dell mini 10V. Trust me the 11.6 MBA is a real computer and not a toy.

I concur. The 11.6 MBA that I got for my wife is a way better machine than what the specs would suggest.

ImperialX
Nov 5, 2010, 03:00 AM
It was a good review. Puts Engadget, Gizmodo and all the other tech blogs' to shame.

I still liked AandTech's one better. They wrote it up faster too.

wirelessmacuser
Nov 5, 2010, 03:00 AM
It's funny that Steve said how Apple wouldn't produce a netbook, and yet, that seems to be exactly what they're produced... with one small problem. The price!!

So true. The best netbook ever, and you know it's a Mac because of the obscene price ...:)

Poor Steve, he's such a lier it's a way of life.

ImperialX
Nov 5, 2010, 04:04 AM
I don't recall any apple product being cheap, i.e. low priced.

Their battery charger seems pretty reasonably priced.

maflynn
Nov 5, 2010, 05:44 AM
I still liked AandTech's one better. They wrote it up faster too.
Faster isn't better but in this case it is :)

anandtech's review was a highly indepth review that was better then the rest

tibi08
Nov 5, 2010, 07:26 AM
Thanks, I looked at the review. It's too bad you quoted them so selectively, because the review said "I call it a netbook because it can do all of the things you could do on a netbook, without any of the performance or quality headaches. You get a great display, a beautiful chassis and much better performance."

That doesn't sound 'a bit crippled' to me.

Not sure either of us are going to win this one, but for what it's worth I'd like to point out some other parts of Anandtech's review to you:

The new Airs are slow, they are great for writing and browsing the web (sort of like fast iPads) but they are noticeably slower than the Pro lineup everywhere else.

If all you do is write, browse the web, write emails and talk on IM - the 11 gets the job done. Ask more of it for long periods of time and I think you’ll be disappointed.

maflynn
Nov 5, 2010, 07:45 AM
Sorry but it is a bit crippled. Even if you doubt me, have a look over on Anandtech's just-published review...

Maybe its semantics but when I hear crippled, I envision a manufacturer clearly and explicitly altering the performance of a component (or a computer) for specific reasons. That is, its a fast computer that they make slower.

Apple does this quite often, specifically with the GPU but underclocking it.

In the MBA's case, I see no such crippling, they opted for a slower ULV processor given the size and battery contraints. They also remember the over heating issues of the prior revisions. It makes a lot of sense to put a cooler running cpu into such a tiny enclosure. To that end, apple did not cripple the MBA. That's not say its a speed demon, but it is running at the speed it should.