New Apple Products Introduced

[MacRumors]

iLife 05 (http://www.apple.com/ilife/) -
all new versions of all the iLife applications
iPhoto 5 (http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/)
iMovie HD (http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/)
iDVD 5 (http://www.apple.com/ilife/idvd/)
Garageband 2 (http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/)
iTunes 4.7 (http://www.apple.com/ilife/itunes/) (same as current version)

iPod shuffle (http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/)
512MB or 1G models starting at $99

Final Cut Express HD (http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress/)
now offers high-definition video (HDV) capability to beginners

Mac mini (http://www.apple.com/macmini/)
Just 6.5 inches wide and 2 inches tall

iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/)
Keynote 2 & Pages (word processing app)

[SLAPSHOTW]

I'm ordering a Mac Mini for me and my girlfriend, and probably gonna use the iPod Shuffle for a new USB Key.

[kaszeta]

Ahh, they've finally added RAW support and heirarchical folders to iPhoto 5. That makes it an order of magnitude more useful to me....

[kronos2611]

very cool -especially the Mac mini. Also very impressed by the pricing - £330 UK...

Might also get a iPod Shuffle - incredibly cheap

[afields]

Woo-hoo!!! I feel like a kid on christmas morning who just got a shiny red tricycle!! :D

[MrJohnson]

Yes, finally. To bad we didn't see any powerbook or emac upgrades.

[tutubibi]

Good to see that iDVD finally supports (without hack) external burners (via burn image option).

Mac Mini is a killer. Going to order one as soon as Canada store is usable.

[denm316]

iLife is now $79.00, thats is getting rather high in price for an "every-yesr" app.

[jrv3034]

Awesome. Just awesome. The Mac mini is almost perfect, save for the 32mb Video card. Meh... $499!!!!!

I'm sure the iPod shuffle will find it's way into many people's pockets, especially at $99. I think it's gonna be huge. No iPod universal connector though, which means other iPod accessories don't work?

Good keynote, Steve!

[bcsmith]

Well, let the bitchin' begin...

[JohnGillilan]

No wonder ThinkSecret is getting sued -- they nailed it.

However . . .

• No "Asteroid"?
• iPod mini still at 4GB?

[daveL]

I was hoping the iLife '05 update would either be free or cheap for those that bought iLife '04. I think having to pay full freight for an update to a product you just bought 12 months ago is a bit steep.

All the stuff looks great, though.

[k2k koos]

although there is all the info on the Apple site, here another pic that I've been trying to get online for a while

http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/macworld05/mini.jpg

And here is Jobs holding the box:

http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/macworld05/box.jpg

So a few piccies before we can all see the webcast....

[wordmunger]

Wow. The iMac mini is so much better than the iHome fake. Very nice. Too bad I can't use it to upgrade my cube -- I'd lose a lot of the savings to buy an ADC adapter for the monitor. At that point I might as well get an eMac.

[zulgand04]

i mac mini, i want !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i pod shuffle- don't really like the design but i know itll grow on me just like the imac g5.

I also like the price for iWork, i remember spending 99 for keynote alone, cant wait to have money, damn skies. lol

Way to go Apple!!!

-Neal

[kronos2611]

most of the UK Apple.com service is unavailale - Store completely dead

[Moonlight]

iLife: what is with the graphics on the package ?
iWork: same lame graphics on box
Mac mini: look at the QTVR of it at apple.com it looks like it has a power brick and some other brick ??? Although it is nice, a g4 seems old school to me
iPos Shuffle: Genius or Madness ?? we shall see

[Thataboy]

Overall, it is what I expected, and it is all satisfying.

The only blunder (in my opinion) is a relatively minor one:

iWork does not come free with new Macs (such as the Mac mini). Switchers have to swallow a bitter pill in buying all new software, and having iWork pre-installed would have gone a long way.

That said, Apple has priced iWork very aggressively ($79) considering Keynote 1, alone, cost $99.

It will be interesting to see people's reaction to iLife's price going up to $79.

[mrzippy]

iWork replaces Appleworks?

Where is the spreadsheet then?

Are you telling me your average user types documents and makes presentations?

I use both a word processor and spreadsheet but never do any presentations.

I would have paid for a good quality productivity suite like an updated Appleworks, but as iWork has no spreadsheet it would be a waste of money.

Although saying that I'm sure Pages is a good word processor and much cheaper than MS Word.

[SiliconAddict]

1.4Ghz and 1.25Ghz!!!!! OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK Owned when tiger comes out. :p

[railthinner]

iPod shuffle seems really cool, but I don't want to transfer a gig over usb. I don't see why they didn't also incorporate the shuffle mode switch into the round dial, much like the mode dial on a camera.

the mini looks phenomenal. I can really see a lot of people going for it.

[Macciee]

Yep make sense why show of anything else before Tiger...

Most impressing is the mini mac - it will break new grounds -

Software updates are good - but I miss (TIGER) the mail and ical upgrades!

[cheekyspanky]

The Mac mini is soo nice! :D

And the prices are actually good in the UK, £375 edu for the Mac mini 1.42Ghz. I'm not too sure of the style of the iPod shuffle, I like the idea behind it though.

[Redbeard25]

And... I called most of the specs on the iPod shuffle last month! (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1160856&postcount=146)

[mootpoint]

The Mini Mac looks very nice indeed. Good entry point for new mac converts. The flash ipod, again, will see new buyers at that price point (supply problems though? - this product is going to be in BIG demand). Looking forward to seeing the Quicktime broadcast.

I guess the Powerbook upgrade will be in a couple of weeks.

[radio893fm]

iLife --> Very nice stuff.

iWorks --> Word processor and presentation tool? That's it? Where is the spreadsheet, the publisher, etc? I guess this can not compete with office as it is now.

iPod Shuffle --> ok. not what I expected, but not as bad either for the price. I can see myself using one. why not?

Mac Mini... cube again? Nice for the price, but if you add the keyboard, mouse, some more memory, the superdrive, and the screen, it is much better to get the iMac G5.

[Stella]

I'm blown away by the Mac Mini - price and looks really good. Hope there are sVideo connectors to hook it up to a TV available. Could be a good media machine.


iPhoto, at last, sub directories support.

I'm sure the iPod shuffle will work for a lot of people.. personally, I'm disappointed by no display. But again, the price is excellent.

Over all, a good keynote - look forward to watching the video.

[Moxiemike]

Mac Mini is gonna be ordered ASAP. I'll hook it up to my TV in my living room and use it as my stereo. I can justify $499 for a stereo. ;) Why no keyboard and mouse though? I'm guessing so they could toss it in a hand lil' box. Heh

iWork 05 seems a little underwhelming. I mean, what? No spreadsheet app? Lame!

iLife 05 might actually make me an iPhoto user!

iPod Shuffle-- will buy one for the gym. Leave the iPod photo at home. :D

So iGav, do you think the new package designs for iWork and iLife absolutely suck? I think they do. Ugly.

That and the weird "organic" shapes on the shuffle's page. What is apple thinking with that stuff?

all in all, A- for steve-o.

[destroyboredom]

Awsesome stuff. Looks like another good year ahead of us for Apple. I wonder if I can get iLife 05' since I just purchased a PM G5 in the past month??

Hopefully we see Powerbook updates soon, and I was happy to see no Powermac revisions since I just bought one.

That mac mini looks cool as h3ll.

[Demon]

can't wait to get a hold of the Shuffle..
Mac mini is a little mini on features and specs, but i can see some uses for it. very portable and a good back up computer for home.
i'm getting iWork ASAP!
so dope..

[fixyourthinking]

I'm disappointed in the price without a keyboard and mouse. Apple is making [most likely] their same profit margin or maybe even higher.

If this is essentially an iBook in a box sans battery/keyboard/LCD - then based on the 24% profit of an iBook - this must be a greater margin without the keyboard and mouse.

I am intrigued though to see all the "stackables" that will come out from different companies though.

• Extra drives
• Media readers
• TV Tuners
• Battery packs?
• iPod docks
• Special edition Griffin radio sharks
• Game cube like LCDs

I'm also interested in the mini server opportunity this provides.

[SiliconAddict]

iPod shuffle seems really cool, but I don't want to transfer a gig over usb.


USB2 = FW400 = Not a problem.

[bigandy]

i just persuaded my dad the mac minis were perfect for his business. he ordered 20 of them straight away to try beat the rush!

hell yeah! oh and sorry to the other UK customers now having to wait longer :p

the ipod shuffle is lovely and iWork and the new iLife suites look great!

cant wait to get my hands on all those lovely mac minis.

[yoak]

Great stuff, will get an ipod shuffel

[Cybernanga]

The shuffle, although I wouldn't buy one for myself, will be usefull as a gift item, and will help introduce winhead's to Apple.

The mac-mini is great, I'm buying two as soon as I can find them, and they'll be excellent for getting evryone I know to switch, although the lack of a mic/audio input (from what I can see in the specs) is not a wonderfull ideas.

Well done apple, :)

[Metatron]

I have to admit...the imac mini is pretty cool looking, and beside for the weak video card, it is still better that the 12 inch powerbook. At least it will play ut2k4. I am going to get one since they are so cheap for my mom. :)

[tutubibi]

iPod Shuffle is a near perfect implemlementaion for flash based cheap MP3 player. Put your music there and it's like your personal radio station.
Great idea.

[MacRy]

Great updates. Love the Mac Mini - very very cool. Looks like Apple are really going after the pc user market with that and iWork.

[roadapple]

a mini G4, a more mini ipod and some hd ilife...can't wait to stand inline behind my local middle school at the apple store...

no tiger, no G5 updates of any kind, no media hub
apple needs to hire more people...

i think i will buy iwork for pages, glad i did'nt update to office 04

[Patmian212]

OK lets see,

iLife 05= cool
iWork 05= very cool

iPod Shuffle= I love the way they market a flash mp3 with no screen(i dont think its smart) as spontaneus way to listen to music. :rolleyes:

Mac Mini= Good Price and it will get more people to switch but the fact that it includes no keyboard,mouse,has a 32mb graphics card and maxs out at 1gb of ram kinda sucks...but the price is soooo Sweet...its a decent low-end machine

STOLL WAITING FOR PB UPDATES
COME ONE STEVE YOU KNOW WE WANT IT :D

[1macker1]

Cool updates. I might just get iLife 05' and a iPod shuff.

lol@the
"Do not eat iPod Shuffle" warning on the Apple's iPod shuffle's webpage.

[Aaon]

I'm not so sure that iWork is truly a replacement for Appleworks. Looking at the specs for the new Mac mini (which I will likely be buying when the store is accessable again), it says that it includes Appleworks preinstalled on the system.

I don't like the idea that the memory on the Mac mini is upgradeable by Authorized Apple service folks though, but on the same note, for the target audience of this box, it makes things much simpler.

On a side note, the educational discount on the Mac mini seems to be $20. Not much, but then again, it doesn't cost much to begin with!

Aaron

[Deslock]

http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ The caption under the "gum" picture reads, "iPod Shuffle: Smaller than a pack of gum and much more fun.(2)"

(2) "Do not eat iPod shuffle."

[damson34]

There's actually a new version of iTunes out, 4.7.1 It supports the iPod shuffle and autofill for the shuffle as well.

[artifex]

There's an extra $20 off for students on that iMac mini. So it's $579 for the higher model. I managed to get into the customization section of the store, looks like they've raised the price of the wireless keyboard/mouse combo to more than for a regular G5's wireless combo? For the mini, you have to order the Bluetooth card separately @$45 or in a bundle w/the airport extreme for $116, and then the wireless kb/mouse is $99 on top of that. Didn't the G5 have a bundle where you'd get the kb/mouse/bluetooth adapter all together for $99? I can't check right now, the store has died.

Oh, and while you're waiting, superdrive is an extra 90, the increase to 512MB is $67 (the increase to 1GB is $382!?!) and the 3-year APP is $99.

[MacFan782040]

Heck, with the price of iLife and iWork both at $79, I might as well just buy a mini mac to get the programs. I'm sure I'd find some use for it... external HD, eh who knows!!!!!

[swissmann]

My thoughts overall are awesome! Great stuff and lots of it.

Little bug problem during spotlight - is this a first? I remember Steve having a problem with a digital camera during iPhoto presentation but that was a dead camera battery or something like that.

Where is the replacement to Excel in iWork?

Lots of talk of year of HD. Does iDVD support it. Probably not because no HDDVD burner yet but it must support 16:9??? because iMovie supportd HD. So what do we do shoot in HDV, edit in iMovie, FCP, etc and then compress to standard DVD or playback through camcorder. Just doesn't make a lot of sense. I hope the next Powermac update has a HD-DVD burner and is a US market first.

Powerbook updates? Probably G4 small bump but how soon?

eMac updates? G5 or just G4 and how soon?

Tiger looking good to me because of new Quicktime 7 support in preparation for HD. Not much more gets me too excited though.

Mac mini - perfect for Windows switchers. No DVD burner means I will not be buying one.

iPod Shuffle - I like my 20 GB iPod but I do think it slams that lower market. Way to go Apple.

[LaMerVipere]

Mac mini here I come. My iBook G4 is going on eBay asap.

The Mac mini doesn't come with a Keyboard or Mouse does it? Grr. Oh well.

I'll have to get a monitor though...hmm...that shouldn't be a problem per se.

iPod shuffle...eh. I'll stick with my silver iPod mini to match my new Mac mini. :D

iMovie HD, all I can say is..."Fab." :)

[Fender]

Apple, where are my Powerbook G4 updates? Hmmm? Would you mind telling me, please? :D

[giveup]

gorgeous Mac mini, time to make my friend and family switch.

[rtdgoldfish]

Mac mini: look at the QTVR of it at apple.com it looks like it has a power brick and some other brick ???

The two bricks are the power brick and an AirPort Express.

These Mac Minis should be about equal to an iBook in performance, correct?? I am ordering one of the 1.42 gHz ones for $579 with the education discount and moving my PC to the living room as a music server. I see where Apple went with the no keyboard and mouse thing but I will be buying a keyboard. Don't want my nice new Mac Mini to have to use an HP keyboard...

I agree that iWork should be included on new computers as well but they are still keeping AppleWorks 6 so a new user won't be totally without a word processor. Waiting for some reviews of iWork before I buy it.

[bigandy]

http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ The caption under the "gum" picture reads, "iPod Shuffle: Smaller than a pack of gum and much more fun.(2)"

(2) "Do not eat iPod shuffle."


hahahahaha just noticed that. it's great they have a sense of humour on their pages, unlike every other computer company on earth. something so much more inviting and friendly about apple.com, makes it a joy to use!

[railthinner]

USB2 = FW400 = Not a problem.

oops. I only saw the mention of usb and assumed before reading the specs that it wan't 2.0.

arrgh -- still my powerbook has no usb 2

[Hiroshige]

The Mac Mini is certainly terrific.
How many RAM slots does it have?
I can't figure this out from the documentation on the Apple site.

I am concerned that to get it with 1 GB of RAM, it is an extra $425. [I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that price] Probably most consumers do not want to open the case, so this could hurt sales.

For myself, if it has two slots, I would get the 512 MB version and then throw in another 512. But if it has one slot, obviously I'd have to go with the 256 version and then buy a 1 GB chip.

But it says in the tech specs that the memory should be installed by an Apple dealer or you void the warranty! "5. Memory upgrade must be performed by an Apple Authorized Service provider."

And this is confirmed by looking at the "Learn More" section under the Memory option of the "Buy Now" page.

This increases the cost of the machine!

How do people feel about this?

[eric_n_dfw]

I love the Mac Mini - except for the fact that you cannot add your own RAM to it and Apple STILL wants insane $$$$ for it.

They do say that an Apple authorized service center can install it for you though. Anyone know what that would cost if you brought in your own SO-DIMM?

[zimen]

Point 01:

Ok so you called it the iPod Shuffle...
What a good way to say "ipod for people who can't afford the ipod"...
Come on, why dont you call it iPod cheap or something else but please don't fool us. You think that someone with enough money to buy an ipod or ipod mini would buy this? no for sure, well, not because life is random!!! i can shuffle with the regular ipod too so life is random for me also, so why then not be honest? I know that people who buy apple have always been exclusive, but this is too much, are you ashamed of having created a product for the masses?


Point 02:

iWork. I was waiting for it. I hate MS Office. Too heavy too old too microsoft. So this is the alternative? good! but where is the spreadsheet?
I'll have to buy office tomorrow. can't wait for iWork 2006 hoping...


thanks,

Simon

[macridah]

Great Macworld keynote. Awesome stuff. It would be cool if there was a spreadsheet apps in iWork.

The future of apple is a bright one. I called the san francisco store and they have the ipod shuffle in stock .... might have to use my apple store gift cards today.

[iGary]

Ordered an iPod shuffle without even blinking.

Perfect for my running.

The Mac mini? - Awesome, but with usual LAME video card.

I'll probably get one of those for the office machine later, hopefully with an updated card. they will be selling a boatload of these, though. They're beautiful.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Like the new iPod shuffle... ideal for walks and workouts...

Love the Mac mini... gonna make it easier to get more PC users to switch (I already have two targets).

Don't know if I'll upgrade to iLife '05, just yet, as iTunes is the only part I use on a day to day basis (have just started using iPhoto for real, and this may change my mind).

Like iWork, but it's dissapointed that it's not included on the Mac mini.

Bit sad that ThinkSecret has leaked everything up front, though, would be nice if SJ had a surprise up his sleeve...

Expecting minor PowerBook and iPod mini bumps next week.

[zelmo]

Good keynote. Not quite as exciting as in years' past, but that was to be expected when we pretty much knew what was coming. No wonder TS got sued. They owned the product line-up.

iLife '05 - Even at $79 it's still a great deal for 5 great apps. Will order it as soon as the Apple Store calms down a little, definitely.

iWork - $79? That's cheaper than Keynote was all by itself. If I didn't already have Office X....I'll have to see it in person at the store before I buy.

iPod shuffle - Good choice to have a 512MB and 1GB, esp. since they didn't up the mini to 5GB as predicted. Love the pricing, design and the size. Would have liked to see a screen, but that won't keep me from trying to talk the wife into buying two of these babies.

Mac mini - Absolutely awesome! If you're whining about the 32MB GPU, you probably aren't the target market for this Mac. Whaddaya want, a dual 3.0GHz G5 for $499? Sure, it would have been great to get a keyboard, mouse, and AE card included for $499, but this is a solid bare bones computer that fits the needs of the average PC switching consumer, for a truly revolutionary (for Apple) price.

[Freg3000]

The do not eat iPod shuffle message is hilarious.

Only thing that seems lacking is no Excel counterpart in iWork.

[retromac]

I was hoping the iLife '05 update would either be free or cheap for those that bought iLife '04. I think having to pay full freight for an update to a product you just bought 12 months ago is a bit steep.

All the stuff looks great, though.

I'm a little disappointed too...I would have liked to see an upgrade for ilife '04, although the price is still rather low. I like the iphoto upgrades and imovie, not too sure about the others, why no update on itunes?

has anyone seen or know of an option for itunes to send files to another mac on your network? (through itunes)

regards

[Iroganai]

Does anyone notice?

In an Apple Japan's page,
http://www.apple.com/jp/ipodshuffle/shuffle.html
I found the message
"iTMS is available in US, Europe, Canada and Australia. " :)
(See at the bottom.)

No Japanese iTMS yet :(

[ccroo]

Now that Final Cut Express has HDV how about HDV support in Final Cut Pro? Is that coming soon? Final Cut 5? Any thoughts?

[Abercrombieboy]

I would say the Mac Mini is basically the "cube" coming back. Of course, it is much smaller. Very neat looking. Looks to be to be completely user unserviceable, which might be ok at this price. I don't have a monitor since I had an iMac before, so after pricing it out with a 20" Apple LCD (Gotta have the stuff match or it looks crappy in the house) I would be much better off going with an iMac G5. I guess however the only benefit going with this set up is in 2 to 3 years you can get a new computer and you don't have to toss your Apple LCD. That is a good thing. Poor graphics card though and performance is unknown. If it runs like a 1.24Ghz to 1.5 Ghz Powerbook, it will be fine. I can imagine the biggest response will be....

The Mac Mini should have been a G5!!!

We will see. The iPod Shuffle is kind of cool, but looks like something I might loose!

iWork...it is a good idea, but I doubt Microsoft is shaking in their boots on this thing taking out Office 2004.

Overall some cool things...good Macworld.

[SiliconAddict]

Good Price and it will get more people to switch but the fact that it includes no keyboard,mouse,has a 32mb graphics card and maxs out at 1gb of ram kinda sucks...but the price is soooo Sweet...its a decent low-end machine



For the love of god people this is a baseline Mac! You want more then 1GB of RAM??!?! Why? The average user doesn’t need that kind of RAM. Keyboard mouse? Again this is for a switcher. Most have a keyboard. Have a mouse.
Is it so unbelievably difficult to understand that this isn’t for the people on this site?

Just look at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ What does it say? This is a switcher system and they are going to sell an *** load of them.

[rozwell]

all in all, it was a good even IMO. just good though. nothing amazing, though the mac mini seems nice the v card is crap... but they arent targeting us people who want nice graphics cards and 8gb of ram, but they should offer a high end model, and how about that $99 applecare? cant go wrong at that price. but no new powerbooks or phone:(

[AppleFoussa]

Well everybody that was complaining about it not having a screen really did not have faith in Apple. THat jewel does not need a screen there are only 240 songs max. I own an iPod and I alway listen to it on shuffle mode so for sure I am looking into getting this. I'm really happy that Apple decided to conquer the last mp3 continent. Watch out Sony, Zen, Dell... Here comes apple... (damn it I know I should have bought shares when they were cheap)

[retromac]

I'm a little disappointed too...I would have liked to see an upgrade for ilife '04, although the price is still rather low. I like the iphoto upgrades and imovie, not too sure about the others, why no update on itunes?

has anyone seen or know of an option for itunes to send files to another mac on your network? (through itunes)

regards

sorry, I would have liked to see a FREE upgrade for iLife '05 - * brain fart *

[kingslod]

People are wondering about the lack of keyboard and mouse, but I thought that this was supposed to be a machine for switchers, so we assume that they already have USB versions of those (plus a monitor.) I kind of like the idea of using my old keyboard and mice instead of having them sit in a box in the closet. Although, with a bluetooth keyboard, this would make a very nice music/picture server for the home theater system.

Also, IMO I like the graphics on the "iboxes." They needed to change them up a bit. They're funky, organic and consumer friendly.

[Inkmonkey]

For the love of god people this is a baseline Mac! You want more then 1GB of RAM??!?! Why? The average user doesn’t need that kind of RAM. Keyboard mouse? Again this is for a switcher. Most have a keyboard. Have a mouse.
Is it so unbelievably difficult to understand that this isn’t for the people on this site?

Just look at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ What does it say? This is a switcher system and they are going to sell an *** load of them.

Great Mini Mandrills! No doubt. Can't believe how many current Mac users here are excited and jumping on this bandwagon. Unless you're replacing an inferior Mac system then this wasn't made or designed for you. I suppose it has it's place for some current Mac users but it's primarily aimed at current PC users.

[gwangung]

Heh. I'm glad SOMEONE remembered the concept of market segments. For the rest...y'all gotta remember that one size does NOT fit all.

THe Mac mini competes fairly well against the cheapie $400 Dells et al; it's much easier to swallow a $100 difference than a $800 or $900 one (and the specs aren't that bad for a sub $500 computer). And the iPod shuffle has a lot of segments it can fill.

What's happening here is that Apple is diversifying its offerings and are targetting distinct sub-sections of its audience; it's using its dominance in a major market and is stepping out JUST A BIT to capture side markets to its main holdings. It's what Dell did in the 90s to capture ITS market.

Well done....a grand slam home run.

[Mr Maui]

Good stuff for the beginner and intermediate user (and apparently the money-making section for Apple and Jobs), but now it's time for them to deliver to the Professional end again (the ones who kept them alive during their lean years). JMO :D

[cxny]

Well done Apple! A little piece of "Apple" pie for everyone, way to GO!!

[Aaon]

I'm not so sure that iWork is truly a replacement for Appleworks. Looking at the specs for the new Mac mini (which I will likely be buying when the store is accessable again), it says that it includes Appleworks preinstalled on the system.

I don't like the idea that the memory on the Mac mini is upgradeable by Authorized Apple service folks though, but on the same note, for the target audience of this box, it makes things much simpler.

On a side note, the educational discount on the Mac mini seems to be $20. Not much, but then again, it doesn't cost much to begin with!

Aaron

[goof_ball]

Lots of good stuff today. Mac Mini should be a success...I hope. I think the most promising product is iWork. Ok ok, it doesn't have a spreadsheet among other tools.....YET!!! I'll be a happy camper the day I can remove MS office off my machine.

I was waiting to purchase a new iPod but I was hoping that it would be the same form as the others, just smaller and more light weight. Errrr. I wanted a screen! Any news on Apple upgrading the Ipod Mini? I was hoping that those would have been released today....along with the rumored new colors.

[wdlove]

The Mac Mini should have been a G5!!!

We will see. The iPod Shuffle is kind of cool, but looks like something I might loose!

Overall some cool things...good Macworld.

Maybe a G5 Mac Mini in future updates, at least this is a great beginning.

Yes, some cool items from the Keynote, but MacWorld isn't over yet.

[TheSith]

Cool!

This isn't the end of the updates, right? They must release the Powerbook bump tomorrow or when?? (Crosses fingers)

Any insight onto this matter and any insight on whether or not I cna pick up this speed bump'ed Powerbook the SAME day it is released? ;)

[Bakey]

Now that Final Cut Express has HDV how about HDV support in Final Cut Pro? Is that coming soon? Final Cut 5? Any thoughts?

Eh?! :confused:

So, doesn't FCP already support HD, as in Final Cut Pro HD aka Final Cut Pro 4.5?? Please, please correct me if I'm wrong!!

PS. Loving the Mac mini, finally a *very* affordable means of replacing my Windows box with a desktop Mac. The iBook G4 was only the beginning for me... eventually a PM G5, but for now... :D :D

[mattmack]

I was hoping the iLife '05 update would either be free or cheap for those that bought iLife '04. I think having to pay full freight for an update to a product you just bought 12 months ago is a bit steep.

All the stuff looks great, though.A year is quite a long time in apps to want a rebate

[John Rivers]

Alright, so the new products are pretty cool.

AHH!

Alright, so I've been waiting on purchasing a Powermac G5 for the past 3 months now cause all signs seemed to point at an update. Now what? Anybody have any recommendations here? Do you think an update would add significant speed boosts or am I just suffering myself by waiting and not using ANY mac (current PC user, wanna get into digital video editing with Final Cut and music recording with Logic or Garageband). What to do???

[dubbz]

The Mac mini is cool. Low on specs, but that's fine. Perfect for people who's curious about the Mac, and already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse. Doesn't take up much space either.

iPod Shuffle looks neat. I don't really need one, but I want one anyway :D The price seems fine for a flash drive.

[Rantipole]

POINT OF CLARIFICATION please!

Is this it? If it wasn't mentioned in the keynote, does that mean there will be no other new products. Not that this is not an impressive array of new products. But! I was hoping for the iPod mini hard drive increase. :(

[corywoolf]

asteroid never got released? i think apple didn't have it ready in time, more likely it will come out in june, along with g5 powerbooks. actually i think sadly, g5 powerbooks are about a year away still. i think they will get the powerbook g4's up to maybe 1.8 ghz and lower the price even more. could be wrong, but judging from past events. don't take it for granted that it will be released in june. although it is likely maybe around august/sept. to catch the back to school crowd. i think in june it will be 3 ghz powermacs, asteroid, airport express 2, 8 Gb ipod mini, a spread sheet app. and minor updates along with a release of tiger.

apples ipod line is too large right now. seriously. options are good. but shouldn't there be a line drawn.

512 mb shuffle
1 gb shuffle
4 gb mini
20 gb regular
40 gb regular
40 gb photo
60 gb photo

7???!!!!! wow
maybe the new line up should be like this:

2 gb shuffle
8 gb mini
40 gb photo
80 gb photo

of course this is about a year from now!

[roadapple]

Maybe a G5 Mac Mini in future updates, at least this is a great beginning.

yeah, it could keep my bowl of soup warm

Maybe with the release of tiger we will see some good updates for current users

[drrich2]

I've been contemplating a 2.5 dual G5 purchase with 30" monitor. That would cost a whole lotta money. I'd like it to be maxed as is. It irks me that Dell & Gateway have been selling systems with included dual layer 8 gig DVD drives for months. I was hoping Apple would at least upgrade the DVD burners in the high end G5 system.

MacRumor's Buying Guide states:

Product: PowerMac
Last Release: June 09, 2004
Days Since Update: 216 (Average = 176)
Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon

So, was today 'it' for the Expo.? Everyone log off, go home & hope something good happens in June? Game over?

Richard.

[ccroo]

[QUOTE=Bakey]Eh?! :confused:

So, doesn't FCP already support HD, as in Final Cut Pro HD aka Final Cut Pro 4.5?? Please, please correct me if I'm wrong!!

HDV is a new format that records HD via MPEG2 encoding onto a regular DV tape. The new Final Cut Express has support for HDV (as opposed to HDCAM or some other variety) but as of yet Final Cut Pro does not.

[themacman]

the mac mini is faster then the 12" pb

[kcm]

the mac mini is faster then the 12" pb

I've told a couple people I'm going to strap a 15" LCD on a Mac Mini and use a car battery on a shoulder strap rather than buy an outdated, overpriced current-gen 15" PB. I'm not so sure it's a bad idea after considering it for a few hours. I have $$$ to burn and I cannot figure out why Apple won't either give a speed bump, price cut, both, or G5s. ugh.

[nsrii]

Seems like there's quite a few of us in the same boat. I've been waiting for a few months now, with money burning a hole in my pocket, for today. I'm impressed with what was released, but also I was a little disappointed by the lack or price drops on the PMG5s.

I'm tempted to buy this week, because I can't wait another 6 months, but I also don't want to jump the gun if there's going to be a price reduction or some feature change in the next couple of weeks.

Ahhh...the agony!!!

I'm been contemplated a 2.5 dual G5 purchase with 30" monitor. That would cost a whole lotta money. I'd like it to be maxed as is. It irks me that Dell & Gateway have been selling systems with included dual layer 8 gig DVD drives for months. I was hoping Apple would at least upgrade the DVD burners in the high end G5 system.

MacRumor's Buying Guide states:

Product: PowerMac
Last Release: June 09, 2004
Days Since Update: 216 (Average = 176)
Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon

So, was today 'it' for the Expo.? Everyone log off, go home & hope something good happens in June? Game over?

Richard.

[Stella]

Why on earth do you people think that iLife 05 should be free for owners of iLife 4, as several people have suggsted? Apple are out to make money, how are they meant to do that if they are given away free products.

[themacman]

you could buy all the products that were announced at macworld for just about nothing

[iFaulder]

i seen the new ipod ad on apples website and was wandering what the name of the song is that playing in the background

[ianz]

Am I the only one thinking this way? Yes the iMac mini will be great to help convert Windows people but it's also great for us. Not many people can justify having a dedicated computer attached to the TV but a mini can be put out of sight and costs less and doesn't come with a screen (the TV screen can be used). Imagine this: hook up mini to TV and Eye TV to mini then bung in a projector as well and control it all with a wireless keyboard and mouse. Add Air Tunes (and maybe even an internet connection) and you now have a Mac running your home entertainment system. Isn't this what Apple would be after?

Now you can record / pause TV, have access to and listen to all your music, watch a DVD on the projector or TV and look at all your photo albums on the TV in an instant. Browse the internet while keeping an eye on the TV in another window.

Yes you could do it all before but not without bringing in your laptop and hooking it all up and then unhooking. Now price is less of an issue, aesthetics are not a problem and your hardworking laptop is not taken out of action.

[Naediel]

Cool!

This isn't the end of the updates, right? They must release the Powerbook bump tomorrow or when?? (Crosses fingers)

Any insight onto this matter and any insight on whether or not I cna pick up this speed bump'ed Powerbook the SAME day it is released? ;)

I'm in the same boat you are. I've been waiting months and months to buy a Powerbook - having no upgrade today leaves me wondering what I should buy? Any insight on if, or when the said upgrade on the Powerbooks might happen? A few weeks down the road? Or... in June? I just don't want to end up waiting more and more months to get it - I was really counting on an update today.

Here's to hoping for something within the next few weeks.

[iFaulder]

Why on earth do you people think that iLife 05 should be free for owners of iLife 4, as several people have suggsted? Apple are out to make money, how are they meant to do that if they are given away free products.

Thats right. I'm an owner of iLife '04 and I'm going to buy iLife '05. Its less than $100 people. Stop being so cheap.

This Friday - placing my order for the $99 iPod, February 4 or 11 placing my order for the Mac mini and iWork '05! I just hope they stockpiled these things.

[mattmack]

Thats right. I'm an owner of iLife '04 and I'm going to buy iLife '05. Its less than $100 people. Stop being so cheap.

This Friday - placing my order for the $99 iPod, February 4 or 11 placing my order for the Mac mini and iWork '05! I just hope they stockpiled these things.That is what I am concerned with. The availability of the hardwar. Right now the mini is shipping from the Apple Store on the 22nd (est.). Apple hasn't had the besst history with keeping up with demand. My guess is that these things will sell out faster than the ipod minis did

[VideoShooter]

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[eliamx]

Mac mini - perfect for Windows switchers. No DVD burner means I will not be buying one.


Actually, if you go to the apple store, click to buy the Mac Mini, you can add the superdrive for $100.

Also, for the guy who had his dad order 20 Mac Minis . . . did you have your dad order 20 keyboards and mice? Remember, BYODKM (Bring your OWN display, keyboard, and mouse).

So, no powerbook updates! No G5 tower updates! No iPod Mini price reduction, no iPod radio, no iPippin or iNewton, and no iDVD HD.
NOTICE: Half of the no-nos are going to be secretly announced on Apple's website within 2-4 weeks.

Also, what the heck! How'd Tiger go from first 1/4 of 2005 to 1/2 of 2005?? Darn it! That means not Jan to March but rather Jan to June! That's a long time to wait, who the hell gives a tail about how long before longhorn Tiger comes out. If it isn't coming out by March, what the heck! Might as well be simultaneous release to Longhorn. And, I'm betting Bill Gates is just delaying Longhorn's release just to make it more like tiger. I know he has no imagination or ounce of creativity. He's just waiting for Stevie to give him his cues.

And, I know Dell is the enemy, but isn't Sony the enemy too? Blu-Ray? Please! HDDVD. anyway ... :confused:

[MontyZ]

Any rumors about when Apple will release the Spreadsheet for iWorks? I'd really love to delete MS Office from my hard disk forever! I'd love to buy iWorks and do it now, but, really need that spreadsheet.

But $79, that's a great price. Maybe $99 with a spreadsheet? Even $129 would be good. That will blow MS Office away for good for all Mac users.

[mattmack]

That's a long time to wait, who the hell gives a tail about how long before longhorn Tiger comes out. If it isn't coming out by March, what the heck! Might as well be simultaneous release to Longhorn. And, I'm betting Bill Gates is just delaying Longhorn's release just to make it more like tiger. That is giving them alot of credit to be abler to change there os that quickly to make it more Tiger like. More likely they are trying to get it to a usable state for release and let everyone find the bugs in it and then release a service pack or 2......... wait maybe that was XP :D

[TheSith]

I want my POWERBOOK SPEED BUMPS DARNIT!

Just update them already... I'm tired of waiting.

I don't want the G5... just a slightly faster G4 with a bigger hard drive and higher resolution screen.

Thank GOODNESS somebody who understands!

I've seen nothing but bitching and moaning about the small powerbook bump. I don't care now - release the small bump this week and I'll be happy. Geesh!

[destroyboredom]

Thank GOODNESS somebody who understands!

I've seen nothing but bitching and moaning about the small powerbook bump. I don't care now - release the small bump this week and I'll be happy. Geesh!

My guess is this update will come sometime after Jan. 22nd so that powerbooks can be preloaded with iLife '05.

[m-dogg]

Well first, my BTO iMac was delivered on January 10th, so I am bummed that I'd have to pay full price for iLife...not that I think $79 is bad or anything, but, well...

Second, regarding the iPod shuffle, I initially thought the no screen idea was bad, but then I checked the size of my favorite skiing/biking/workout mix - 497MB - It would be perfect for that, since I usually just toss it into my pack and go. I actually think I'll get the 512 eventually...I'll check them out in the store...

Third, how can you hook up the minimac to a TV. It seems like this has great potential as a media center type of thing, but it just doesn't seem like all the pieces are in place just yet. Or am I missing something here?

[macguyincali]

Guys, I think the Keynote was fine... nice new products... get those Windoze guys switching over. I'm not too impressed with the iPod shuffle... no screen on it and too small... I'm sure it fills a niche. I guess I'll stick with my 30Gig iPod. The Mac Mini is kinda neat, but again, not for someone like me... its a G4 machine in a G5 world, underpowered, no digital audio out, etc.

What I really need is a new PowerBook. My little 12" G4 is almost 2 years old. I need a faster machine. I also am looking for a nice G5 Tower and 23" LCD screen. I don't want to get a 2.5 dual G5 because I know they're going to update soon... I can wait.

I was looking at MacRumors Buyers guide and darn near every one of their higher end products were "Don't Buy... update soon." The PowerMAcs? The PowerBooks, the eMAcs?

C'mon Apple... don't forget your diehards who buy tons of stuff from you too.

[McMakMac]

C'mon Apple... don't forget your diehards who buy tons of stuff from you too.

agree! I feel like this keynote was a reaching out to the PC users than the current mac users.

The Mac Mini is great if you just want a cheap Mac to "test" it out. Considering most PCs buy the monitor, keyboard and mouse seperatly anyway- so they probably can scout for with, np. but unfortuantly, most mac users DON't.

I'm sure most of us either use a PB, IB, eMac or iMac- all with a built in screen! Discourages the people who are willing to pay for a full featured Mac from using the mini. In terms of Marketing, they are geniuses.

On the other hand, love the ipod shuffle, exactly the kind of music player i'm looking for to go to the gym with.

dissapointed with the iPod mini not getting updated

[corywoolf]

agree! I feel like this keynote was a reaching out to the PC users than the current mac users.

The Mac Mini is great if you just want a cheap Mac to "test" it out. Considering most PCs buy the monitor, keyboard and mouse seperatly anyway- so they probably can scout for with, np. but unfortuantly, most mac users DON't.

I'm sure most of us either use a PB, IB, eMac or iMac- all with a built in screen! Discourages the people who are willing to pay for a full featured Mac from using the mini. In terms of Marketing, they are geniuses.

On the other hand, love the ipod shuffle, exactly the kind of music player i'm looking for to go to the gym with.

dissapointed with the iPod mini not getting updated

i think its good that there is no updated pb's and mini's. that gives a better chance of a 6 or 8 gb mini and g5 powerbooks in june. i think anyone who buys the updated pb's that are supposedly coming out soon will be kicking themselves come june. it is such a minor update that i think it shouldn't be done. apple will have a lot of stale product on their shelve if they aren't careful. i am glad i have still managed to edit on my 800 mhz imac in fcp 3. although rediculously slow and frusterating, i think i will thank myself for not being selfish and getting a new computer every 2 years. i have had my original 15" imac since 2001, and hope to keep it til june, although the powerbooks actually wont ship til late july most likely. Oh! another bonus, is having tiger preloaded. i must say, it is true that getting the last of a discontinued model is bittersweet. you know it is a polished product, but it is slightly outdated tech. i swear apple has turned everyone into materialistic bastards. So, my final thoughts, wait til june and you will be greatly rewarded! (and please stop playing that black eyed peas poppy crap apple! i can't stand how they target the mtv crowd, guess it makes sense, but DAMN, don't get it started) ;)

[Bern]

Bought iLife '05, iWorks '05 and iPod Shuffle 1gig :D

Mac Mini doesn't do anything for me, but I think it's a great marketing strategy to woo peecee users. The more people over to Apple the better opportunity to develop apps and hardware.

I doubt we'll see the G5 PowerBook anytime soon, let's be realistic. More like a nominal speed boost and updated graphics card.

[Sir_Giggles]

I initially thought the no screen idea was bad, but then I checked the size of my favorite skiing/biking/workout mix - 497MB - It would be perfect for that, since I usually just toss it into my pack and go. I actually think I'll get the 512 eventually...I'll check them out in the store...

Makes sense to me that a screen really isnt needed for any MP3 player with 1GB of memory or less. Even on my big 20GB iPod, I use the shuffle feature to listen to all my songs, and just skip over those I dont want. iPod shuffle and iTunes are the killer products that no other mp3 player can hope to beat if they decide so.

[Rantipole]

But $79, that's a great price. Maybe $99 with a spreadsheet? Even $129 would be good. That will blow MS Office away for good for all Mac users.
If the spreadsheet works like AppleWorks spreadsheet, I'd stick with Excel.

[ASP272]

iPhoto looks very promising. I've been waiting for them to support my videos from my Sony Cybershot. Eventually I'll have to get me a G5 so I can run the new Garageband. It looks very schweeeet! :D